explain PUFAs

what is so bad about PUFAs?

saturated and trans fats give you heart disease and increase cholesterol in blood
unsaturated fats can lower heart disease risk and lower cholesterol in blood

yet see people talk about PUFAs like its drinking pure shit in golden oily form and even tiny amounts are terrible

am I missing something?

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk but short balding bearded men with glasses tell me they're fine so I don't think they're good

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/w5QCHtg.jpg

      what is so bad about PUFAs?

      saturated and trans fats give you heart disease and increase cholesterol in blood
      unsaturated fats can lower heart disease risk and lower cholesterol in blood

      yet see people talk about PUFAs like its drinking pure shit in golden oily form and even tiny amounts are terrible

      am I missing something?

      Why do you samefag your own posts?

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's mostly the rancidity in seed oils, because they're heat treated, then you heat them again, huge oxidisation

    PUFAs from plants are fine

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Im not an expert.
      Most fats are good (all in moderation)
      But when seed oils are heated they become toxic in some way, causing health problems. (things like fried food)
      natural sources of PUFA's are not bad, things like nuts, seeds and some meats (fish, chicken)
      Thats what I have learned so far and what I tend to follow in my diet

      OP LISTEN HERE:
      YOUR BODY NEEDS PUFAS TO LIVE, IT JUST DOES. BUT IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY OF ONE KIND OF PUFA WITHOUT BALANCING WITH THE OTHER KINDS OF PUFA, YOU WILL GET SICK AND DIE.
      GET A GOOD BALANCE OF OMEGA 3 TO OMEGA 6.
      AIM FOR A 1:4 RATIO OF OMEGA 3 TO OMEGA 6.
      THATS IT!

      OP I FORGOT TO SAY, HEATING THE OILS HIGH IN OMEGA 6 OVER AND OVER AGAIN ARE VERY VERY BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. GET YOUR OILS NATURALLY FROM WHOLE FOODS
      THAT IS ALL!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      they also need to be extracted with industrial solvents and full of poison because the plant doesn't want you to digest them

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mother nature doesn't want me to ingest its oils
        But wait, that should mean it's good for me, right? Why else would the Green garden gnome be trying to hide it from me?

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Im not an expert.
    Most fats are good (all in moderation)
    But when seed oils are heated they become toxic in some way, causing health problems. (things like fried food)
    natural sources of PUFA's are not bad, things like nuts, seeds and some meats (fish, chicken)
    Thats what I have learned so far and what I tend to follow in my diet

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read what I wrote here

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    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're a total retard too

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day retardoid

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You have a nice day retard rapeseed shill

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who said saturated fats are bad for your heart?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Plus saturated fats don't do that. High LDL is a symptom not a cause. Oxidized PUFAs are toxic and the reason for the rise in heart disease.

      did you idiots even read the fucking sticky to this board?
      trans fats are mega bad always, sat fats are bad in high doses. people with diets high in sat fats die sooner from a plethora of health issues compared to those with low sat fats in their diet.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The sticky is fucking retarded and full of fda lies

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >sat fats are bad in high doses. people with diets high in sat fats die sooner from a plethora of health issues compared to those with low sat fats in their diet
        This has failed every single experimental test. Billions of dollars have spent on RCTs that tried proving this and they nearly all failed. The medical literature is replete with review papers over the past decade acknowledging this fact.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The U.S. Dietary Guidelines recommend the restriction of SFA intake to <10% of calories to reduce CVD.
          >Different SFAs have different biologic effects, which are further modified by the food matrix and the carbohydrate content of the diet.
          >Several foods relatively rich in SFAs, such as whole-fat dairy, dark chocolate, and unprocessed meat, are not associated with increased CVD or diabetes risk.
          >There is no robust evidence that current population-wide arbitrary upper limits on saturated fat consumption in the United States will prevent CVD or reduce mortality.
          https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874
          Some of the authors here even sat on previous USDA guideline committees that recommended saturated fat restriction, which is also partly why there are so many conflicts of interest on this paper.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I did keto for one month and went from norwud 1 to 4. The global elite want you to go bald and keto is their ammo.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I fry my hash browns in coconut oil

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Congrats

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        HAHAHAHAHAHA WHO THE FUCK USES A IST STICKY AS A SOURCE LMAO KYS

        I am unironically having a great ab workout as we speak hahaha

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      All available cardiac research.

      Polyunsaturated fats - Fats missing many hydrogen atoms which means they can react with hydrogen atoms ( usually from H2O, very prevelant in the blood ) which creates free oxygen atoms that harm the body immensely leading to many health problems

      Saturated fats - Fats missing no hydrogen atoms and are stable, used as the primary method of storing energy in every mammal due to this stability

      You have no clue what you are saying.

      OP LISTEN HERE:
      YOUR BODY NEEDS PUFAS TO LIVE, IT JUST DOES. BUT IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY OF ONE KIND OF PUFA WITHOUT BALANCING WITH THE OTHER KINDS OF PUFA, YOU WILL GET SICK AND DIE.
      GET A GOOD BALANCE OF OMEGA 3 TO OMEGA 6.
      AIM FOR A 1:4 RATIO OF OMEGA 3 TO OMEGA 6.
      THATS IT!

      Increased omega 6 regardless of omega 3 improved heart health when substituted for sat fat.

      >YOUR BODY NEEDS PUFAS TO LIVE
      It doesn't

      It does, foods like meat have PUFAs too.

      Does it really matter? Multiple highly controlled RCTs have shown serious negative effects (higher mortality and or cancer rate). That's enough for me to avoid them as much as I reasonably can, the specifics don't matter

      None have.

      I'm a biochemist working on cardiomyopathy. I would avoid seed oils as theyre calorie dense but they are definitely healthier than sat fat

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are either lying or ignorant

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm an ~~*expert*~~, please listen to me
        You're wrong though. Try reading more than the abstracts next time. Also you can't substitute one type of fat for another in epidemiological studies. Researchers do say that, but it's post-hoc statistical fuckery. Similarly worthless as results obtained through p-hacking.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          This has been shown in animal models and yes, you can substitute one fat for another in epi studies, what are you talking about?

          You are either lying or ignorant

          No, it's my field of study.

          In this day and age, I'd actually trust the college educated "professional" less than I would someone here, especially when it comes to anything science/nutrition/health related. The Covid 19 meme hoax showed me just how untrustworthy "doctors" and "chemists" really are lol

          Ok.

          post body
          every thing you say is retarded and you are a subhuman
          post body

          Ok.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This has been shown in animal models
            People aren't mice and there are a lot of good reasons to assume that we've diverged and evolved to eat very differently from commonly used lab animals. You should also read the Methods section of those studies. They don't use normal food, they use highly processed flour, oils, and supplements. Yogurt isn't the same as flour, palm oil, and söy protein even though the macros are the same.
            >you can substitute one fat for another in epi studies
            To laymen (and I think researchers are also affected by this), it implies that the study says that when people substitute one type of fat for another, they become healthier. But in actuality, the people in the study who ate certain types of fats ate them as part of a whole diet (and lifestyle, etc). Only by changing your entire diet, lifestyle, environment, and perhaps genetics, could you do a comparison that's not confounded by these important variables. "Saturated fat is bad" is common knowledge among educated people, so they avoid it while maintaining overall healthier lifestyles. Also, epidemiological nutrition studies almost always use worthless food frequency questionnaires. People don't remember what they ate yesterday, yet multiple years worth of data is "collected".

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        In this day and age, I'd actually trust the college educated "professional" less than I would someone here, especially when it comes to anything science/nutrition/health related. The Covid 19 meme hoax showed me just how untrustworthy "doctors" and "chemists" really are lol

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're setting yourself up for failure if you insist on listening to anonymous strangers on a Serbian wifebeating forum who don't care for your well-being when it comes to making important overall decisions for your health. Are you really that naive?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        post body
        every thing you say is retarded and you are a subhuman
        post body

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >All available cardiac research.
        gotta improve your larp a bit anon

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Who said saturated fats are bad for your heart?
      Every public health agency, medical school, health expert, etc.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes... all the ~~*experts*~~... Listen to the ~~*experts*~~... Buy their margarine, it's so much better for you!

        You're an idiot

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes... all th-ACK

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Please explain to me how saturated fats, which have been consumed for hundreds of thousands of years by humans, would suddenly cause a spike of heart attacks in the 1900s?

            I also see that in the graph, high cholesterol has an inverse relationship with heart deaths. Please explain?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Humans have been eating potato chips, fried chicken, canola oil, and butter for hundreds of thousands of years

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                are you retarded? people fry foods in seed oil to save money and now they look like flesh golems

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not sure if trolling or retarded? All those foods that you listed are PUFAs, aside from the butter.

                Please also explain why mice who were fed a high linoleic acid of 8% had much greater fat deposits than those fed the same diet, but 1%?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                idk im not a mouse

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        lmao imagine trusting mainstream medicine in 2022
        literally better off with a tribal shaman

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        then how come there was no heart disease 100 years ago when people only used animal fat for cooking?

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plus saturated fats don't do that. High LDL is a symptom not a cause. Oxidized PUFAs are toxic and the reason for the rise in heart disease.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They cause imflammation even once stored in your fat tissue

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    no fats are bad in moderation

    in the presence of maintaining or a caloric restriction, you're not going to be harmed by any fat you consume.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Retard

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not explaining anything to you retard

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Polyunsaturated fats - Fats missing many hydrogen atoms which means they can react with hydrogen atoms ( usually from H2O, very prevelant in the blood ) which creates free oxygen atoms that harm the body immensely leading to many health problems

    Saturated fats - Fats missing no hydrogen atoms and are stable, used as the primary method of storing energy in every mammal due to this stability

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also there is monounsaturated fat, which is fat with only one missing hydrogen atom, which is also fairly stable because H2O cannot bond with it

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP LISTEN HERE:
    YOUR BODY NEEDS PUFAS TO LIVE, IT JUST DOES. BUT IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY OF ONE KIND OF PUFA WITHOUT BALANCING WITH THE OTHER KINDS OF PUFA, YOU WILL GET SICK AND DIE.
    GET A GOOD BALANCE OF OMEGA 3 TO OMEGA 6.
    AIM FOR A 1:4 RATIO OF OMEGA 3 TO OMEGA 6.
    THATS IT!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >YOUR BODY NEEDS PUFAS TO LIVE
      It doesn't

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        it literally does

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why, because the fda calls them essential or whatever?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It does but according to that starch-pill guy it is such a small requirement you can basically just ignore it

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does it really matter? Multiple highly controlled RCTs have shown serious negative effects (higher mortality and or cancer rate). That's enough for me to avoid them as much as I reasonably can, the specifics don't matter

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    rampart oxidation.
    cold pressed is fine for most things, but heat automatically means oxidation which means more inflammation for you.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    PUFAs are great if raw (fish, nuts...) but bad when used for frying or processed food because they turn into trans fats. It's really that simple.
    For cocking you should use saturated fat (butter, lard, coconut oil...) or monounsaturated fat (olive oil, avocado oil...)

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pure Unadulterated Fucking Alcohol

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >leftists shill for Amazon on IST and for canola oil on IST
    Severe mental illness

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >directionbrain
      Rightists shill for pizza and 556 and are fatter demographically

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >oxidized fat is toxic

    Im not an expert.
    Most fats are good (all in moderation)
    But when seed oils are heated they become toxic in some way, causing health problems. (things like fried food)
    natural sources of PUFA's are not bad, things like nuts, seeds and some meats (fish, chicken)
    Thats what I have learned so far and what I tend to follow in my diet

    >they become toxic in some way

    Plus saturated fats don't do that. High LDL is a symptom not a cause. Oxidized PUFAs are toxic and the reason for the rise in heart disease.

    >Oxidized PUFAs are toxic
    woman-adjacent hands typed this

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the fats that man has eaten for eternity are le bad ok
    >the industrial waste/lubricants are heart healthy because they just ARE OK

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only pufas I need are putting my putting my Penis Up some gays Asspussy.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    PUFA these nuts, fags

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