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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >telling newb teenagers to eat more and learn the big lifts properly
    This shit didn't deserve a whole book.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The book taught you how to do the big lifts properly

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Practice and a coach teaches you how to do the lifts. Reading a washed up manlet roid-monkey's opinions about lifting, meh.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          An SS certified coach?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why the frick would I need an "SS certified" coach?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So they don't teach you "that Louie Simmons shit".

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Practice and a coach teaches you how to do the lifts
          Crossfit exists, your logic is flawed not the book

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Let me guess... You're one of the guys I see in the gym scamming some aging boomer out of "personal training session" fees while I'm in the squat rack next to you pressing more weight than you can squat.

          I know more about lifting than you do, and I learned some of it from Rippetoe. You lack respect.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Post body.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, the way this progresses is: "Post lifts." And you go first, since you're going to make it up anyway.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession. You’ve been dealt with fatty.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Must not be that impressive then.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Got his ass

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post lifts.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                squeal one more oink for me tubs

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Me on the left

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it prepares you for competitive lifting, which is an objectively stupid thing. If BP wasn't a competitive lift there would be absolutely no reason to do this shitty exercise. beginners don't realize this.

        youtube videos do it better, there's no real reason to read his book.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, it prepares you for a long, healthy, and fruitful life.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            LMFAO yeah /plg/ the healthiest general

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >t. poverty bencher that snapped his shoulders doing moronic shit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >If BP wasn't a competitive lift there would be absolutely no reason to do this shitty exercise. beginners don't realize this.
          whats wrong with it?
          t. beginner

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It’s the best upper body lift there is. Guessing he has a low bench press relative to the rest of his lifts (should be on average 25% of your total)

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Only 22% of my total 🙁

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most beginners start because they want to look good. If that's your goal, BP is OK, but there’s better options. In general, if your primary goal is to get aesthetic, the big lifts in SS aren't really the most optimal path.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Most beginners start because they want to look good

              Maybe in gayland, most start because they want to improve their core strength to prepare them for a healthy and long life.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bro just post your fatceps and get it over with, we all know you're fat as shit

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Thinks getting stronger doesn't make you bigger
              Okay.

              https://i.imgur.com/ONrzP1B.jpg

              Find a single flaw.

              1. Doesn't provide as much detail about running out your NLP as the gray book does.
              2. Doesn't lay out what to do after novice programming.
              3. Almost no upper body emphasis. I love Rippetoe, he is my god, but my chest grew more in 2 months doing dips than 1.5 years doing TM. It's my own fault for not
              >AH, DIPPING
              sooner, but still. 10/10, perfect beginner program.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                another gaslighting homosexual
                you didn't achieve this body doing SS shut the frick up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but the point is that SS quickly brings beginners to the base that they need to start achieving such a body. Dyels like you keep spinning your wheels for years on shitty hypertrophy programs that give you neither mass nor strength. One year in you'll be doing 3x8x60kg bench while the SS dude, now on a different program and cut back to leaner bf, is doing 3x8x90kg. You just stay skinny without any real progress.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >One year in you'll be doing 3x8x60kg bench while the SS dude, now on a different program and cut back to leaner bf, is doing 3x8x90kg. You just stay skinny without any real progress.

                Gonna need to see the science on that. All my research indicates SS is just going to make you a paunchy doughboy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >all my research
                You have not done any research. You have also never set foot in a gym.

                just ask around in your gym who quit benching because of shoulder pain/injury. I guarantee you at least 50% will raise their arm and 30% of the rest would if they could still lift their arms above shoulder height. almost all the people that do incline or dumbbell press have quit regular benching. the lift was invented to show off, nothing more.

                The fact that you still worship the average gymgoer shows how much of a dyel you are. If you had lifted for more than a few months you'd realize that 90% of gymgoers are clueless morons with shit programming, shit technique, and shit effort. No shit you're going to injure yourself if you lift incorrectly.
                >but muh shoulder!!!
                These are the same morons that smugly go "heh nice arch" because they think the primary motivation is to cut rom instead of protecting the shoulders.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Gonna need to see the science on that
                Holy shit epic DYEL response!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's completely true.

                another gaslighting homosexual
                you didn't achieve this body doing SS shut the frick up

                >b-b-but... you're not fat
                Kek, the frick would I have to gain from gaslighting people? Just submit to it. Starting Strength works. You do it for 3-4 months, then cut the fat. I gained 50 fricking pounds over the course of 1.5 years (4 months SS, 14 months on texas method). Cut 25 of them. Became a god. Now I'm doing some hypertrophy shit and building real muscle. That's because my strength foundation actually lets me make progress. What gets you a bigger chest, 3x10 benching 135lbs? Or 3x10 benching 225? Yeah. That's what I thought.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >lats visible from the front
                >supposedly got them from doing a program where there's ZERO lat work
                fricking lol kys gaslighting Black person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Thinks deadlifts + rack pulls + chins don't target lats
                Ask me how I know you don't lift.

                Nice work, anon. What were your lifts at that point and what are they like now? I'm at a similar point, though I'll probably powershit for just a bit longer and have no intention of getting that lean.

                And I would like to add to [...] that the two accessories that Mark does actually recommend adding are chin-ups and dips.
                [...]
                >deadlifts, chin-ups, and rows don't work lats
                But even if they didn't you'd still be an illiterate moron. He clearly said that he's on a different program now, a program he could do this succesfully only because he created that base with SS and TM. It's no wonder that you make no progress when you find reading this difficult.

                >Nice work, anon. What were your lifts at that point and what are they like now?
                SS got my bench to 215 for triples, OHP to 140 for triples, Squat to 315 for a top set of 5, and Deadlift to 350 for a set of 5. After that I moved onto the texas method. I did a few things for each lift. For Bench+squat, I did standard TM. For deadlifts, I actually stopped doing them for awhile and moved to Haltings to above the knees and rack pulls from below knees. Ran that for 6 months, then got my deadlift to 460 for a triple. OHP I did a bunch of bizarre shit, mainly focusing on heavy singles. Eventually got that to 207.5lbs for a single. My squat got to 385 for a top set of 5.

                Now my lifts are much lower considering how much weight I lost and the fact that I don't lift for strength anymore. I'm focusing on rock climbing+hypertrophy of the upperbody. I'm sure I can still squat 315 for a few reps, and deadlift 350 for a few reps, but I'm not seriously going to be lifting that heavy for the foreseeable future. Don't be afraid to powershit a bit longer. It took me a few months of cutting to get to where I am (4-5 months)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >deadlifts + rack pulls
                Don't work lats through any range of motion. Rack pulls or any elevated deadlift are a useless exercise in general

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wait until you learn about overloading.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I compete in strongman and have a farmers PB of 160kg per hand for 10m so I probably know a bit about it. Elevated deadlifts do nothing apart from make you slightly better at elevated deadlifts

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kek. I swear the guy you're replying to is baiting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's one of those black and white "stretching/running/rpe/whatever rippetoe decided for them to disregard is useless" dismissive tone I find Ripplets parrot.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fairly similar stats then when I hit 1.5 years next month, but with upper body a little bit behind. I don't know, I can respect your decision to cut down that much and go for this physique, but I don't think it's for me. Losing that much strength when there's still so much potential left over probably isn't something I could personally accept right now. I'll probably just cut a little bit and start powerbuilding and go for a builtfat physique. Not as if anyone ever sees me shirtless anyways :^).

                https://i.imgur.com/QgNRnIG.jpg

                >doesn't post body
                I accept your concession Raj.
                >YOU post your fat fricking body.
                Here you go cupcake, pic taken last week (no pump).

                King.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I can respect your decision to cut down that much and go for this physique, but I don't think it's for me.
                Based. Tbh physique was never my goal. This makes my progress all the more impressive, as I never went out of my way to focus on it until now. The reason I cut that weight was because I care more about improving rock climbing performance, which isn't something I can manage while doing Texas Method. Believe me, I tried. After 3 weeks I was so gassed I could barely get out of bed. My training sessions were like 4 hours long (2 hours of climbing, 2 hours of lifting, 3 days a week).
                >Losing that much strength when there's still so much potential left over probably isn't something I could personally accept right now
                Absolutely fricking based. I completely get where you're coming from. I came into this knowing what my goals were. I wanted to eventually return to climbing and was satisfied with my progress, but know there's still so much untapped potential. I'll squeeze it out over time. You can STILL progress despite a huge cut, but you have to treat yourself like an intermediate and just naturally accept slower progress, but there can still be progress.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Tbh physique was never my goal.
                Neither for me, which is why I don't mind being a bit fat. I'm surprised that you had the mindset required to push it that far beyond just cutting. It doesn't sound easy and obviously you had to sacrifice some stuff for it. Definitely impressed.
                >Believe me, I tried.
                Man, the recovery would obviously be hellish, but I can't even imagine rock climbing with a heavy body in the first place. At this point I sit down to put my socks on because my legs and stomach are rather big (can do it standing if I have to, obviously). I believe you. Yeah, pretty easy decision to make, especially if you already enjoyed rock climbing before that. I bet you're stronger in different ways now too; it sounds more functional.
                I'd like to throw some other sports in at some point as well, but am postponing it for obvious reasons while gains are still easy. I've also just always been really tiny and underweight, and that mindset still persists a bit - just don't feel strong enough and probably never will.
                >You can STILL progress despite a huge cut
                For future reference, from what weight + height did you cut down anyways? 25lbs doesn't sound crazy high.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but I can't even imagine rock climbing with a heavy body in the first place.
                > it sounds more functional.
                It definitely is. I began weighing 160lbs as a 6'1 skelly. I was just skin and bones. Over the course of 1.5 years, (18 months almost to the day), I gained 52lbs. My max weight was 212.5. When I got into climbing, I was around 205, and I was still doing very well. I'm now 182-186 depending on the day. I felt so strong, even if I was heavy. The rest of the weight loss came over time.
                > just don't feel strong enough and probably never will.
                Don't say that. Just like lifting heavy feels hard at first, getting back into a sport also does, but it's so worth it. The strength you gain makes you feel so damn athletic, it's such a breath of fresh air. No longer do I fail routes because I'm simply not strong enough. Now I can focus on technique. I wish you best on your journey man.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nice work, anon. What were your lifts at that point and what are they like now? I'm at a similar point, though I'll probably powershit for just a bit longer and have no intention of getting that lean.

                And I would like to add to

                https://i.imgur.com/9v1B4x4.png

                >Thinks getting stronger doesn't make you bigger
                Okay.
                [...]
                1. Doesn't provide as much detail about running out your NLP as the gray book does.
                2. Doesn't lay out what to do after novice programming.
                3. Almost no upper body emphasis. I love Rippetoe, he is my god, but my chest grew more in 2 months doing dips than 1.5 years doing TM. It's my own fault for not
                >AH, DIPPING
                sooner, but still. 10/10, perfect beginner program.

                that the two accessories that Mark does actually recommend adding are chin-ups and dips.

                >lats visible from the front
                >supposedly got them from doing a program where there's ZERO lat work
                fricking lol kys gaslighting Black person

                >deadlifts, chin-ups, and rows don't work lats
                But even if they didn't you'd still be an illiterate moron. He clearly said that he's on a different program now, a program he could do this succesfully only because he created that base with SS and TM. It's no wonder that you make no progress when you find reading this difficult.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >chin-ups, and rows
                these aren't in SS

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They literally are. Are you just shitposting, or moronic?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Rip be like "You just lifted a heavy weight 35 times in one hour so now you need to a ton of food to recover from this tremendous effort. You are a real athlete who wants to grow anon not just a pencilneck larper. Yes, real athletes have big asses keep doing GOMAD."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He literally says if you swap power cleans for rows YNDTP

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not even asking you to read the (full) book, but can you at least do basic research so that you don't expose yourself as a clueless dyel with every post that you make?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                dyel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mirin the traps and potential neck.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >having your gf hold a sign so you can take a selfie to win a IST argument

                Literally based.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >short
                >ugly chest
                >weird arms
                >onions hands

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                he still has a gf tho

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              ok. what do you recommend for building chest then?

              it's an anatomically flawed unnatural movement and every single powershitter has busted shoulders (watch them cope hard now, but none of them can throw a ball more than 10 times in a row without tearing up). even rippetoe admits that benching is stupid.

              i already have problems with my shoulder when doing wide grip bench and dips is really painful, but that's probably due to poor technique

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but that's probably due to poor technique
                better technique will make it less harmful but it will never be a healthy exercise, don't listen to the morons that claim otherwise. do ring pushups if you can, then progress to ring dips, they allow full shoulder mobility and are completely harmless assuming you have the required strength to do a couple of reps with good form.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                just ask around in your gym who quit benching because of shoulder pain/injury. I guarantee you at least 50% will raise their arm and 30% of the rest would if they could still lift their arms above shoulder height. almost all the people that do incline or dumbbell press have quit regular benching. the lift was invented to show off, nothing more.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It is an exceptionally boring read and spends page after page describing movements that anyone with a decent level of proprioception could learn after 20 seconds of explanation

                >The average gym-goer and ISTizen goes into a nuclear rage of seething when they see anyone benching with even a slight arch because its ""cheating""
                >they bench without one and get injured
                Good, they get what they deserve

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >just ask around in your gym who quit benching because of shoulder pain/injury
                Why would anyone get advice from someone who got injured? Thats like asking an injury prone dude how not to get injured. Or asking a dude how to manage pregnancy pains.
                You should only be asking people who can do the lift without injury

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yeah because the average gym zoomer is a moron who never bothered to learn proper form or strengthen the stabilizer muscles in tandem with benching. rotator cuff injuries are super common because nobody understands there are like 20 muscles deep inside your shoulder that lag behind larger muscles like the pecs unless you target them specifically.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Don't listen to that guy. Bench is great for chest. If you got a machine that does chest press, that's better.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              then what is? any program that's 3 day a week?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it's an anatomically flawed unnatural movement and every single powershitter has busted shoulders (watch them cope hard now, but none of them can throw a ball more than 10 times in a row without tearing up). even rippetoe admits that benching is stupid.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if you went back in time
        I'd go to the first Thanksgiving and get turkeys OFF the menu

        Hahaha this made me laugh a bit very funny this sounds like sarcasm but it was a funny joke I remember seeing this on Instagram a few years back it takes me back glad to see people are still aware of it

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    post body

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SS got me into lifting 12 years ago.
    The programming gave me quantifiable progress every workout and that kept me motivated and allowed me to build discipline over time.

    If I could go back in time with my current knowledge I wouldn’t do SS, but it was great for me overall

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What program WOULD you follow if you went back in time, then?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I’d probably go straight to push pull legs. The template is great and very adjustable based on goals. Do a couple heavier sets of a primary compound exercise followed by higher rep and higher set isolations.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if you went back in time
        I'd go to the first Thanksgiving and get turkeys OFF the menu

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No horizontal pull or pullups in the basic programme

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pullups are included in the program.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        why are you lying on the interwebz?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Chinups but whatever

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you could always read the book lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            (You)

            dumbfrick

            (You)

            >they are all untrained nerds who think picking a beginner program is like picking a class/build in WoW or Diablo, and if they pick the wrong one their "character" will be ruined forever
            lmao I have never heard this explained so well

            (You)
            >poster count didn't go up

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              poster count is dead

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Both barbell rows and chin-ups are in the program.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It didn't include a warning label on the front to explain that it's a program to supplement underweight or understrength athletes' sport specific training with a strength base

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1. You will hurt yourself eventually
    2. Your strength increases faster than your form stays proper
    3. All pants are now slim fit
    4. Not enough upper body

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You will hurt yourself eventually
      It's not your fault.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >2. Your strength increases faster than your form stays proper
      Skill issue

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >3. All pants are now slim fit
      I wear adidas tracksuits and levis

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I am a huge fan of SS.

    However, one flaw of the way the material is presented is that not a lot of people can add "five pounds per lift" for very long. Maybe two-three weeks at best. I have seen people - teenaged boys - attempt this and just get frustrated. If they try to eat more as Ripp suggests, they get fat. Only the genetically fortunate can really and truly quickly gain strength and muscular bodyweight at the 5 pounds per lift. It must be even worse for the elderly and women.

    I do think the SS program (exercise selection, frequency, volume and how to perform the lfits) is excellent BUT there needs to be a consolation to/for those who are below average in their rates of adaptation. Half of us are below average, dont you know.

    Maybe a recommendation to plateau for a week before adding weight? Or two weeks? Nobody wants to get fat and even Rip himself does not recommend getting fat - just eaing at a slight caloric surplus. But this is easy to say and hard to do, as you dont know when too much is too much, untilyou already fricked up and got fat, now its too late and you have to cut back and now you make ZERO progress.

    Once again, I love the program but if its not working for someone Rip out to amend his recommendation to sttae that its okay to add wegt more slowly. I ran the program over 12 months while losing voer 100 poubds of bodyweight, from 355 to about 220. Weight loss was great and my strngth did go up pretty decently, but nowhere near at the rate recommended in the book. I have seen others cuk up the program simialrly and its frustrating.

    For the half of us who are above average - run SS as written. For the half of us who are below average, be more forgiving of how quickly you can gain the strength and size.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >two-three weeks at best.
      Lol. Lmao even. I was able to keep up that pace for much longer than that, and I'm not genetically gifted at all.
      This board has really gone to shit. The only strong people are tucked away in /plg/, and the rest of you are bbcposting zoomers who don't know shit about dick. It's distressing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you are a skinny guy starting at below 1 plate, sure you can rapidly increase

        If you are somewhat athletic/done some machine work and starting at 2 plates, how long can you keep increasing?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Starting at 2 plates for what? Bench? Are you eating at a surplus? How tall are you? There are a lot of factors.
          Say you are a pudgy guy in your twenties starting at a deadlift of 225x5. You can most certainly add 5 lbs to your deadlift each session well into the 405+ range. I did it, and I'm no specimen. That's much more than two-three weeks, obviously. Squat is similar. Say you're squatting 185 for 5, you can hit 3 plates within two months if you eat enough and recover enough. Bench and press aren't going to progress as quickly for as long, but depending on anatomy you can make 5lb jumps consistently for quite a while.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >somewhat athletic/done some machine work and starting at 2 plates
          why are you running a beginner program if you aren't a beginner?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I am the anon who you replied to. I am not a zoomer I am Gen x. Also, I am now legit strong.

        I stayed lifting and ultimately am now at 235 OHP, 385 bench, 465 squat and 550 deadlift. All of my lifts and programming are from Rippetoe. I am not sure whether I am genetcially gifted or not but I do think I am now strong because the SS program works.

        However, not everyone can run it as written. It needs some changes. I say this as someone who got bear strong on it, it just took much longer (because of my weight loss, probably). But as I mentioned, I have seen others struggle with the rate of speed.

        Cool for you that you grew so quickly ins trnegth. Not everyone does. Or can.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn’t mention weight
          hmmm

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I am 6'4" and 273 pounds this morning.

            Yesterday I did 8 full ROM sternum to bar chinups, so I am reasonably lean. Show me another 270 pound man in his fifties who was not a D1 athlete who can do that. He may exist, but we are rare AF

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Your BMI is in obese range. I reckon that is rippetoe programming alright.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I give up. You win.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A fellow master debater I see. I agree that PPST is pretty much all you need as a recreational lifter.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I mean I walk around at 175 and can do 8 sternum to bar chinups from a deadhang with 60 lbs on me totalling 235 lbs.

              You've got a hundred pounds of bodyweight on me and your weighted pulls have less than half of that on mine. I don't have even remotely competitive strength numbers by any means so I'm going to go ahead and say you aren't actually as impressive as you think and you should get less fat.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You wouldn’t even look me in the eye irl manlet homosexual.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I see you deleted your post. Don't worry, this is still for you princess.

                [...]
                I would. I've spread about 11 years between boxing and jiujitsu and my lifts are almost as high as yours despite the 100 pbs weight difference. I'm not remotely afraid of some obese dipshit who would gas 20 seconds into a fight and gets all aggressive trying to prove himself when his delusional bubbles get popped, like anyone is supposed to be impressed by his bodyweight bench.

                Sounds like a fun time to be honest.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              when did you start the program, what were your starting lifts, what was your athletic background and how long were you able to add 5lbs and stick with the program?
              I am asking because I am 35 and just starting now, have had history in gym before but never have felt so weak.
              just wanted to clarify that I'm not one of the guys harrassing you for no reason, I am impressed by your stats

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, man. I agree with you. And nicely done on the strength gains. My point is that if anyone is stalling within 2-3 weeks of the NLP (that's less than ten sessions) they simply aren't eating enough or recovering properly. They could also just be unwilling to push themselves when weights start feeling heavy. Obviously you're not going to be able to maintain 5lbs/week on every lift for very long, but 2-3 weeks is bs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > Half of us are below average, dont you know.
      You mean median

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You know what this is fair.
      For example I took SARMs and bulked like crazy and was only barely able to keep up with the lift progression schedule. And I'd hear Rip talk about where people should be by X timeframe and I would do the math and it would be even more aggressive than that, and that would be for heavy numbers.
      In reality no one actually does the program this way, even the training logs on SS people go much slower. It'd be better off to acknowledge this and then work around it then pretending like everyone is going to get to a 3 plate squat in a couple months then 4 plates a few months later.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I took SARMs
        Stopped reading right there.
        Fricking goblins, man.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I know that feel. SS works, but for me the squats get too intense very fast and I lose the ability to progress. I tried hitting my head against the wall and only pulled my back for it. Now doing TM despite fairly low numbers and I'm just barely recovered from volume day before intensity day.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I would. I've spread about 11 years between boxing and jiujitsu and my lifts are almost as high as yours despite the 100 pbs weight difference. I'm not remotely afraid of some obese dipshit who would gas 20 seconds into a fight and gets all aggressive trying to prove himself when his delusional bubbles get popped, like anyone is supposed to be impressed by his bodyweight bench.

    Sounds like a fun time to be honest.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I see you deleted your post. Don't worry, this is still for you princess.
      [...]

      Post body.
      >inb4 you’re an indian mmanlet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lol we've already established that each of your breasts has 50 lbs on me. Why the frick would I post my body? Is that going to make your bodyweight bench suddenly impressive? Fricking obese moron. Look I'm sorry you can't clean between your folds but that doesn't mean you suddenly have the conditioning for fights lasting longer than 20 seconds.

        Nobody is impressed, nobody is scared, nobody cares what you think. You aren't even particularly strong for being that fat. Congratufrickinglations you did an NLP. YOU post your fat fricking body.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn't post body
          I accept your concession Raj.
          >YOU post your fat fricking body.
          Here you go cupcake, pic taken last week (no pump).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Frickin mirin

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mirin king

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Is that going to make your bodyweight bench suddenly impressive?
          and AGAIN it is 385 BENCH PRESS AT 273 LBS YOU GAY LITTLE moron.
          385 != 273
          Thought you brown guys were supposed to be good at math

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >like anyone is supposed to be impressed by his bodyweight bench.
      Btw I bench 385@273 lbs you fricking manlet homosexual. Don’t pretend you bench 385@175 Raj lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >gas 20 seconds into a fight

      Lol we've already established that each of your breasts has 50 lbs on me. Why the frick would I post my body? Is that going to make your bodyweight bench suddenly impressive? Fricking obese moron. Look I'm sorry you can't clean between your folds but that doesn't mean you suddenly have the conditioning for fights lasting longer than 20 seconds.

      Nobody is impressed, nobody is scared, nobody cares what you think. You aren't even particularly strong for being that fat. Congratufrickinglations you did an NLP. YOU post your fat fricking body.

      >the conditioning for fights lasting longer than 20 seconds

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He never even benched 4pl8s while being heavy, equipped and enhanced.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Let me guess, you need more?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone ever done the powerlifting to win novice routine? I'm doing it right now.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I gained about 40 lbs and got squat up to 3 plates in 6 months of following the program.

    It is a good program but you have to put the work in and teach yourself to just push through the shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bet you couldn't even bench your bodyweight though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ...because a beginner eating at a deficit while doing 3x10 once a week with a whole bunch of other meaningless isolation exercises (and maybe a variation) would bench bodyweight within half a year, right?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          actually most gymbros will outbench the full body autists and that's a fact
          take a look around sometime in the gym

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wait, now we're suddenly talking about gymbros instead of novices? Easy to switch goalposts when you realize you're wrong, huh? Just a shame that you moved them to a place where you're still talking moronic bullshit -- why are you acting as if the terms "powerlifting" and "full body" are synonyms?

            Post body, my dyel friend.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm sure getting obese for that 3 plate squat was worth it bro

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Changing goalposts back again. Usually dyels try to make some moronic counter-arguments, but apparently you know so little that you can't even do that.

                Not the anon you initially replied to by the way. Looking at my logs I hit 3pl8 at around 74kg bodyweight (1.80m). 4pl8 was at 87kg, about 6 months later. Slightly fatter, but still less fat than your dyel ass. Closing in on 200kg now by the way. What are your stats? Care to post a picture of your body?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              17 year old me beats the shit out of mentally moronic full grown adult gym bro. They are slow in the head.

              My cns is developed to ko you amd your best friend so my pp and my nutsack can get sucked same time go ahead throw your moron punch you stupid little homosexual.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No shit, gymbros usually have strong benches because everyday is chest + arms day. They have have pathetic squats and DLs thoguh

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I did the opposite but now im hitting bench hard and just laugh at them as if 4pl8s for 2 good ones is impressive when 135 bench me could punch harder fix your form.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >take a look around sometime in the gym
            Planet Fitness? Join a real gym son.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I like how this anon exposed himself as a dyel. You're really still worshipping the gym bros benching just a little over two plates at your local chain gym?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rip is fat and gay

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Squatting three times a week

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    having to increase weight on the bar as the goal instead of increasing reps with same weight. both methods build the same muscle but increasing weight while only doing 5 reps puts more stress on the joints and higher risk of injury.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You really think joint stress occurs when you are doing a novice program??

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People just lose sight of what SS is for. It's a programme to get junior American Football or rugby players to a baseline level of strength over an offseason and introduce them to weight training in a progressive way.

    If you want to become proficient to a basic level in the main barbell lifts it's absolutely fine, it's not a silver bullet and it's not something you should be doing for more than a few months.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IST argues about this shit endlessly because they are all untrained nerds who think picking a beginner program is like picking a class/build in WoW or Diablo, and if they pick the wrong one their "character" will be ruined forever

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of them come from the third world and never played any sports

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they are all untrained nerds who think picking a beginner program is like picking a class/build in WoW or Diablo, and if they pick the wrong one their "character" will be ruined forever
        lmao I have never heard this explained so well

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's really not what it is

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Go read the Strongest Shall Survive.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It absolutely is, it's a cookie cutter strength programme for high school coaches in Bumfrick Wisconsin to stick their team on.
        >now Johnny, you do this til next season and eat plenty of your momma's chicken pie while you're at it and when you come back squatting four hunnit we can get you in at starting right guard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        dumbfrick

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This, plus it's literally an intro to weightlifting program
      I mean, assuming you don't do moronic stuff like dirty bulk, what's the possible downside of a beginner doing it for a few months
      >you got a bit stronger but don't look better
      And the possible upside?
      >you got a lot stronger and fitter and can now move onto another program
      It's only a few months of your life

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is true. If you look at Rippetoes earliest writings and the earliset version on the SS book and even at the early forum posts from the 2000s, this was a program aimed primarily at young men looking to gain size/strnegth for sports. Later on, Rippetoe realised that for the most part, the adivce is the same for everyone (i.e. go ahead and get stronger at full body lifts) and that the general market - esp the old fat market - was potentially far more lucrative. So he pisitioend himself in the segment of the market. Bt the program is still the same (although he rarely mentions powercleans anymore as they just arent necessary for anyone not playing sports).

      The real brilliance of the SS program is 1) the emphasis on strnegth/performance over aesthetics 2) the teaching of how to perform the basic barbell lifts - noone has analysed these lifts better than Rippetoe 3) the teaching of programming, in the sense that you need to eventually add weight to the bar if you want to get bigger and stronger.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's really not what it is

        His mentor was Bill Starr. Now go sit in the corner with the rest of the band nerds haha!! Football rules!!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The power cleans in the programme are the "tell" that it's an american football routine, gridiron coaches LOVE power/hang cleans. Aside from half squats it's probably their favourite exercise

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Beginner (350/255/350@160 lbs)
    SS
    SS Advanced Novice

    >Intermediate (430/305/430@180 lbs)
    TM
    Split Routine
    Starr

    >Advanced (540/375/540@200 lbs)
    Pyramid
    Two steps forward, one step back

    >Beyond (685/465/685@220 lbs)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Redpill me on pyramid

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is Roger Esteep, not moron called Rip. Esteep himself recommended this routine for novies:

      Abdominal Work: Leg Raise– 50 / Crunch– 50 / Jackknife– 50
      Squat– Two warmup sets (15 reps and 8 reps). Work sets: 3 x 8, then add weight and do 2 x 5
      Bench Press– Two warmup sets (15 reps and 8 reps). Work sets: 3 x 8, then add weight and do 2 x 5
      Seated DB Curl– 3 x 8
      Incline Tricep Extension– 3 x 8
      Deadlift– Two warmup sets (15 reps and 8 reps). Work sets: 3 x 8, then add weight and do 2 x 5
      DB Row– 3 x 8
      Behind the Neck Press– 3 x 8
      Shrugs– 4 x 6
      Calf Raise– 3 x 12

      Do this 3 times per week. Do not even compare this basic training to moronic shit like '''starting sperg'''. Rip and his homoerotic bbc training is for homosexuals like you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That routine is moronic as frick and so is the name Roger Esteep

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=582
    Rippetoe eternally btfo

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I noticed when reddit turned on him a lot of other leftys started forgetting about him. Ironically his book is filled with heckin science.

    In 2009 it was pretty much THE program to run starting out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >republicans bad

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It ignore other important compound lifts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      pantyboy moment

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even the chraracter on the cover if fat dyel

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'll go a step further: getting fat is not a "thing" on SS. If you actually stick to the lifting protocol and don't bulk on cake then you won't "get fat."
    Anons look at the picture of Zach Evetts and are so low IQ and inexperienced they say 'durrr he got fat!! lol!!' but for a lifter that level of fat is easy to fix and the amount of muscle he added was ungodly. Any lifter would happily take that tradeoff.
    In all my years on the internet I don't think I've ever actually seen a case of a young man who lifted hard 'getting fat.'

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >In all my years on the internet I don't think I've ever actually seen a case of a young man who lifted hard 'getting fat.'

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I seriously doubt this guy started off skinny and got fat

        >you won't get fat on SS
        >Zach got fat but it's easy to lose
        Goalposts status: moved

        The point is he got an acceptable fat/ muscle gain.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you won't get fat on SS
      >Zach got fat but it's easy to lose
      Goalposts status: moved

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mark Rippetoe

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remonder that this is all Rippetoe coould manage with STERIODS, BLOATING AND A BENCH/SQUAT SUIT.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Post lifts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Post body

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I'm with

          Post body

          I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            he’s larping as frank allen

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder this person is the same lolcow from here:

      https://i.imgur.com/T1ubAF2.png

      >You will hurt yourself eventually
      It's not your fault.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really understand the hate. It's the fastest way to get a strong bench, press, squat and deadlift for someone who hasn't touched a weight in their life. It's literally called starting strength for that reason, but manlets get mad when they've bloated to 300lbs and they're still trying to LP several months in, when the program literally tells you to stop and do something else once you stall.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >sharts loudly

    ?t=13

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No auto regulation

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He’s a meanie

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He’s an old white guy..?

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the lifts, they add size quickly, but I didn't grow my arms as much as my legs and torso on that program and I was doing weighted pullups and dips on top of SS. Curling and training my triceps directly did a lot for me. Also, I am catching up my hamstrings because SS gave me massive quads and tiny hammies.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, I am catching up my hamstrings because SS gave me massive quads and tiny hammies.
      I think you weren't squatting correctly. Did you read the book? Your hams should be doing most of the work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He was doing pull ups instead of chin ups, and thought that they and dips weren't part of the program - "on top of SS". No, he did not read the book. And yes, he probably squatted improperly.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the cover is already promoting ego lifting instead of using a leg press

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of people who lift on the leg press

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the cover is already promoting ego lifting instead of using a leg press

        Lots of people ego lift on leg press*

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Starting strength works

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Find a single flaw.
    For starters the author is fat. I will never take any fitness advice from a fatass. It's like taking weight loss advice from someone who weighs 300lbs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't sit lectures from my physics professor because he's ugly
      >I don't take economics advice from my rich parents because they're short
      >I don't follow X program because [Arbitrary reason about author]
      Ask me how I know you're dyel

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        False equivalences. He wrote a fitness book while being fat. To fix your analogies, it'd be like taking a physics class from a moron, or learning economics from an uneducated alcoholic hobo. I can smell your BO through the screen fatty.

        The author is 60+ and still has a better total than you do. Explain it to me again, how you're entitled to an opinion?

        Little b***h.

        It's easy to inflate your total by being an obese pig. See exhibit B.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But you are so small nobody even thinks you lift?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone knows I lift, and I look like I lift in my shirts.

            https://i.imgur.com/dUn7kVR.png

            >He wrote a fitness book while being fat.
            He's a strength coach you moron. People go to him for being strong, and getting others strong. As he's done for thousands of clients over 30+ years. As he's done for me. And if you think getting stronger doesn't make you bigger, you're a moron. Ask me how I know you don't lift. Anyways,. SS works, picrel is here
            [...]

            Kek great bait. Is that your bf behind you?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Post body.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >He wrote a fitness book while being fat.
          He's a strength coach you moron. People go to him for being strong, and getting others strong. As he's done for thousands of clients over 30+ years. As he's done for me. And if you think getting stronger doesn't make you bigger, you're a moron. Ask me how I know you don't lift. Anyways,. SS works, picrel is here

          https://i.imgur.com/9v1B4x4.png

          >Thinks getting stronger doesn't make you bigger
          Okay.
          [...]
          1. Doesn't provide as much detail about running out your NLP as the gray book does.
          2. Doesn't lay out what to do after novice programming.
          3. Almost no upper body emphasis. I love Rippetoe, he is my god, but my chest grew more in 2 months doing dips than 1.5 years doing TM. It's my own fault for not
          >AH, DIPPING
          sooner, but still. 10/10, perfect beginner program.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The author is 60+ and still has a better total than you do. Explain it to me again, how you're entitled to an opinion?

      Little b***h.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >better total than you do.
        LMAOOOO.
        Rippetoe's total would be like 365lbs/185/425 right now. Mogged by actual strenght atheletes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You know you're not an "actual strength athlete". That's the important bit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And Rippetoe isn't going to frick you no matter how much you long to stick your head under his fupa and blow his wiener.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Please try not to make such bad posts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >fitness
      Its called Starting Strength you twink homosexual, not Starting Fitness, the author wrote the book while strong, or at least much stronger than you lmao

      >GOMAD

      I’ll give Rippebreasts kudos where it’s due for rendering a bunch of gymcels incontinent during their formative years.

      Imagine being a lactose intolerant brownoid lmao

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The flaw is that you’ll look like shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You'll post body, right? You're strong and look good, so you have no reason not to, right?

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >GOMAD
    >Not enough upper body volume
    >Not nearly enough upper back work
    >Going for optimal speed of progress leaves muscles adapting faster than the other tissues that compose the kinetic chain. This is asking for injury.

    Overall I still recommend it to people to teach how to do basic compounds but I advise people to ignore the dietary advice, add weighted pullups, isolate the upper body, and deload often.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      for optimal speed of progress leaves muscles adapting faster than the other tissues that compose the kinetic chain. This is asking for injury.
      That's moronic. Muscles, bones, and tendons are all going to adapt and grow stronger regardless of what happens, and nobodoy, not even the powershitters hating on this program on IST has ever reported being injured on the program. For fricks sake, the entire starting strength youtube channel is devoted to showcasing how even the elderly can reap benefits from stronger/more dense bones developed through lifting.
      >deload often.
      This. This fricking line. That's how I know you've never squatted more than 400lbs. This pussy shit is the reason that beginners don't learn to train hard. As soon as people feel slightly fatigued it's "time to deload". Actual lifters learn to lift through fatigue, and understanding the difference between active recovery and overtraining is crucial. You sound like one of those skellies who thinks overtraining can happen over a single workout.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was too stupid back then for any better lesson than SS. Now I am big brained enough to curl in my squat rack, do all my isolation first, and then do single sets to failure for all the compounds. That being said I put all the "big rocks" development of basic gains long ago with SS and am now polishing my physique. A skelly noskill skellington is not ready for better info overload than SS

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >GOMAD

    I’ll give Rippebreasts kudos where it’s due for rendering a bunch of gymcels incontinent during their formative years.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >another SS hate thread where yet again not a single one of the dozens of haters dared to post body
    This always happens. How curious.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Literally nowhere in the book does it mention high school or football or it being for training athletes
    The only reference to football was in argument for the press being more useful than the bench press because its kinetic chain more closely resembled blocking

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hey guys I bought this book why don't I work at google quantum computing yet

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