How do I achieve this after 35? This dude is 38 on the right… is he juicy? his body seems in achievable natty… but maybe I’m wrong. His transformation in 2 years is crazy
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he didn't really gain a ton of ton of mass, he could be natty
but no, you will not be able to achieve this natty after 35 starting from scratch without the aid of trt
>le TRT
It's just roiding. TRT is such a homosexual buzzword.
>t. underage gay who doesn't lift
Incorrect even with trt it will be a struggle unless he does massive stacks not the baby doses a clinic will give him. And even then the loose gunt will flop over his wiener so his 19 yo escort will still be disgusted and unable to actually find it, let alone get off. Stop being a hug box for those who should absolutely be left behind for their bad choices.
>super average physique even in the "after" image
>just lost fat
>clearly has natural vascularity as seen in the before image
>"HE'S A FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!"
You homosexuals are so fricking stupid, this is literally the most average attainable physique if you did a good recomp and had good vascularity genetics. You people are moronic
>super average physique
Post body.
The last cope of every old man here on IST. You don’t have a dad bod, you have a whale bod. Now cry about it Fat Man. Go steal a child’s lunch box before you pass out from “starvation” mode.
This thread has broken you mentally. Buck broken, I might say.
Op's on test and you're either DYEL or a roider yourself
I’m not talking about pic you stupid fricking homosexual, I an talking about the real OP and all the 30 pluses in this goddamned thread. Coping homosexuals.
>super average physique
lol he has better body in the after image than 99% of all people, let alone people his age. moron.
Steroids. “He could be natty” shutup moron
source: my lazy ass
that is not achievable natty and it doesnt even seem so. you are 100% wrong.
can we just kill the "achievable natty" meme? the guy ticks literally all juicy boxes. He is incredibly thick, full as frick while at the same time being lean with big muscles. look at that fricking vein in his shoulders , and he is doing what? just hanging around in the beach? LMAO, guy is juiced to the gills.
if you have to ask if something is achievable naturally and you see literally no one ever looking like that at x age after y years of training etc. the asnwer is always no. people who are natural have the type of body you dont need to wonder if it's naturally achievable. it's usually very uninspiring when you have warped your mind looking at naked fake natties 16 hours a day on social media.
100% roiding.
This.
This 100%. He's basically got Arnold's body, but better. Put him on a stage with IFBB pros and he'd win.
that's test. TRT gets those veins on the biceps and those bowling ball shoulders and huge traps. he had decent shoulders before but seeing those traps build up like that is test.
He just got leaner you have no idea what you're talking about. This is 3 years of progress.
>that's test. TRT gets those veins on the biceps and those bowling ball shoulders and huge traps. he had decent shoulders before but seeing those traps build up like that is test.
Exactly right. I'm 40+. I have a couple friends over 40 who got big like this over Covid. They said they "worked out alot." They don't work out half as much as I do. They are lying...its all TRT.
>How do I achieve this after 35?
Lift weights, eat less. As usual, it's that simple. If you're older you'll have to lift more.
>is he natty
If he applied himself he wouldn't have to roid for the transformation. Look at his arms in the before image, he mostly lost body fat. Of course, he could still be roiding.
>being this delusional
>hurr everyone is roiding
Alright cool bro, good luck on your journey of never looking like that guy.
Thanks 🙂
>ribbed for his pleasure
You just know.
No, it's impossible to improve yourself.
If you are >20 lbs overweight then you better just embrace being a fat slob and enjoy yourself.
Losing weight and putting on muscle is scientifically impossible for anyone older than 17.
this. in addition to this, its impossible to make friends as an adult, and the money you make at age 30 is the maximum earnings you'll ever have
oh and also no point trying new hobbies or learning news skills after age 21 thats just the way life is
I know it's a meme, but I got fit starting at 31. I've always been really athletic though (competitive athlete since grade school at almost national level). used to always surprise people because I looked "fat-ish" but it was fat on top of a decent amount of muscle.
That sounds like a load of transphobic, fat phobic, racist nonsense.
White males are better off being fat and weak
Just you. Because it's funny. You fatfrick lmao.
Seething hard.
pathetic demoralised little cretin
>seethes even harder
lol
No one is seething, you're just a fricking loser. The world is full of them.
>i-im not mad!
>*he says while seething impotently*
lol, anyway, see:
If you keep typing lol after your replies, no one will be able to tell what a fricking teary-eyed couch potato loser you are.
>eat less
are you moronic or what
35 is still young you idiots
>t. 32
What body fat percentage is this
haven't got a clue, maybe 20%
I'm angle-frauding a little, got a fair bit of lower back fat
>visible abs
>at 20% bf
This fricking board Jesus Christ.
Dyel, nothing unusual with developed abs and posing/lighting
I’m a little fatter than you and I’m at 17%. You look about 12-14%
Well ya look good, nice job
15%
Nice bathroom for a nursing home. Do they let you take a shower unsupervised?
You look like one of those guys that got ab implants despite being fat.
Yeah, it really isn’t THAT bad. Professional athletes usually play until 35. 45 is the real body breakdown time.
i think youre pretty hot anon 🙂 zaddy
How long you lifting and where’d ya start at?
train your chest for the love of fricking god
Plz stop training your lats
h-hunter kun..??
sorry but guys who look like this are so hot especially when theyre old
>How do I achieve this after 35?
1§ Atkins
2 § Creatine
3 § Consistency
Most people fail at 3 §.
the reason most people have difficulty in losing weight later in life is similar to difficulty in learning languages.
time.
when you are older, you are busy with work, family, etc. you're not some autistic teenager or college student who can eat on their own and gym it up. same with languages. you're not a child who can constantly pester adults and have them training your in the language 24/7. yes, your test is higher when you are younger, and your brain is more plastic when you are younger, but these factors can be overcome.. if it weren't for the fact that, except for outliers, your personal situation makes it more difficult to achieve these things.
if you're innawoods or are able to "fly solo" when it comes to eating and gymming, then you can get fit after 35. just like you can learn a language if you dont have a job or something tying you down, and just frick off to some random country and force yourself to 100% immerse (or AJATT at home)
Black person losing weight is just eating less. What the frick are you talking about. People don't lose weight because they're lazy and don't care.
Losing weight doesn't require any time. I am 40 and have a six pack year round. Natty, no TRT no supplements. I just eat once or twice a day, a lot of meat and eggs and traditional stuff like that.
People cling to all kinds of stupid excuses. At the end of the day almost everyone is addicted to certain goyslops whether it's starbucks coffees, or going out for pizza, or having a mcdonalds for lunch thinking they'll just burn it off the next day. Everyone eats like crap. Everyone I know my age is like this and they're always "on a diet" after each binge. They can't accept that to stay in shape you gotta get over the snacking and nutritionally empty modern meals.
I don't care about being huge or looking like a bodybuilder, I hardly ever workout, I just do calisthenics every day and eat more or less the same things, and friends act like I have some sort of magic secret. They actually spend more time in the gym than I do but it's wasted time due to their diets. And then I read people saying it takes too much time to lose weight LOL.
All true. You tell normies that snacking between meals is bad and they explode like you're asking them to endure some kind of torture.
The biggest issue now that I'm older with a wife is all the family and friend events and bullshit with only shitty food available. I hate it, it's like there's a birthday or holiday every week. I miss being a single hermit and regularly just saying "nah" to social shit.
Bring your own food and drinks like a guacamole dips or bare metal cheese cake or insert other food for any type of meeting
Based and I'm on the same path. It's simple thermodynamics.
>hardly ever workout
>calisthenics ever day
ok
>the reason most people have difficulty in losing weight later in life is similar to difficulty in learning languages.
>time.
However, usually when you're older you cut off a lot of bullshit and you'd know how to oranize your time not considering having kids though
He was already muscular, just got lean as well. Look at his chest/trap development in first picture, would have been lifting for awhile.
anyone who thinks right is natty is an absolute underage moron who you should ignore
Why does everyone on the internet have some massively exaggerated idea of aging recently? At 35 there is no difference
Zoomers. To them, 35 might as well be 135.
its literally the same person with less bf%
you genelets will tell yourselves anything to be at peace with your coping
im 34 and i look somewhat like his 2020pick except i guess im slighty leaner, anyway i tested my test and it was 380, based on this i think hes 100% roiding.
He just shed fat from muscles he already had. He could be natty. I see 35+ guys with big arms, pecs and shoulders all the time, they just don't take the step to shed off the beer belly.
But if you go from scratch? Have you really reached 30+ without dabbing in physical fitness? You might reach the body natty, but with your fading hormone levels count like 3-4 years of dedicated training and diet.
If you have good genetics and have been lifting for a long time you could look similiarly (as in body composition, proportions and insetions are 100% unique) at his age. But to make such progress at his age you'd definitely need TRT.
Yeah, it's impossible to put on any muscle or to lose weight without injectiing yourself with thousands of steroids.
They are only fooling themselves as they will heart attack at 40.
It's perfectly natural for the white male to be fat and slovenly over the age of 17
Diet culture is killing us
>REEEE
Stop being fat.
34yo and feel as good as I ever have. I guess it’s all downhill from here though, as my advanced age means pants-shitting dementia and hip replacements are right around the corner
damn bro, your nips are tiny
Guys, this is an alien. Look at the left.
See it's blacked out? That's because it's some weird ALIEN thing that they couldn't be bothered to photoshop out. Aliens are known to be very lazy.
They walk among us.
Fuark, the ayyliens have already invaded IST
bost routine pls
>covers tattoo
>can be easily identified out of 100k people from his nips alone
why is this so funny
i honestly didnt think it was possible to have nips smaller than mine
Fricking lol. I just looked the guy up. This is him. He's roided out of his mind. You fricking moronic natties lmaoooo
insane how fricking dyel this entire board is
any Black person who says its achievable natty hasnt touched a weight in their miserable lives
Post body
Looks natty but with a pump tbqh
yeah sure, with that chin and jaw. You could argue that this weekness would be an indicator for lacking roids, but he probably started so late it wouldn't affect it anymore and also doesn't take something that affects bone structure that much.
Roids don't grow your jaw you tard.
>also doesn't take something that affects bone structure that much
You're post with a bunch of /rk9/ dyels who don't lift so they think anyone who has a little muscle is roiding
Is that supposed to be an "edit"?
Edit what are you on about schizo? Post body
>schizo
>post body
Do you really need new wanking material?
nice cop out dyel
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Brainlet
235lbs and shredded 39 year old. Natty af bros.
that settles it. im never answering any question seriously anymore. people here are genuinely so fricking delusional and stupid that you cant reason with them at this point. anyone who thinks this is naturally achievable even remotely close has been lifting less than 3 months.
Thing is if they lift long enough they'll come to this conclusion. Don't waste your energy trying to save people who are preordained to be losers. IF their genes are good enough they'll deduce the truth in a reasonable time.
Pearls before swine anon.
Not that anon but you're right. Sooner or later they'll realize that guys like the OP pic is clearly roiding. It really goes to show how fricked up everyone's standards and expectations are when people think blatant roiders are achievable natty.
You're surprised? People on this moronic board think 280lbs Eric Bugenhagen is natural lol.
what's up with everyone thinking 30+ is too old. before and after is also dumb without context if he went from eating shit and not working out at all to strict diet and routine changes can be huge. people also like to use the most unflattering before pic and select their best after pics. 2 years is also a damn long time it's possible but noone can be certain if natty
I'm getting sick of seeing this every day about being over 30, over 35, over 40. Just fricking see what happens. Obviously being in your 20s it's going to be easier than 30s, 30s is going to be easier than 40s, etc. What is the point of all these threads about age. You're literally just making things worse because not only are you over 35 you are over 35 and running around like a little b***h asking people to tell you it's going to be ok. It is obviously possible to be "fit" at pretty much any age and strong, look at Frank Zane in his 70s. Whether your motivation and willpower is there, you have life stresses, past mistakes fricking you up permanently, and so on is another thing.
met a couple hiking in the mountains in June, they were 76 and 78 years old, doing a 14km hike with about 1000m elevation. they became my inspiration that day. age doesn't matter if you're still able to do what you love
Only through roiding.
If you were IST when you were younger and then let go, you can somewhat go back thanks to muscle memory.
Otherwise yer' fokd.
>you can somewhat go back thanks to muscle memory
Not real.
It is.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317456/
>The phenomenon that “skeletal muscle may hold some kind of memory” originates from observations in humans showing that previously trained individuals acquire muscle mass and strength more quickly upon retraining. 73 , 74 , 75 Staron et al 74 was the first to show that women regained their muscle strength and fibre size during 6 weeks of retraining as quickly as compared with the initial 20 weeks of strength training.
>The current scientific evidence provides no consensus on the existence of muscle memory by myonuclear permanence in both animal or human skeletal muscle tissue.
From your own link.
He's still right dyel. Anybody who was in shape once generally has an easier time going back, unless you literally did nothing, skeletal muscle doesn't really break down over the years, anecdotal evidence, scans of formerly fit elderly with minor actively, etc.
Fitness is cumulative, just like fatness or general unhealth
*ahem*
>colorado experiment
And it's settled
>During the first week alone, Viator gained 27.25 pounds of solid muscle.
Lmfao. Get the frick out of here.
gear, regains and an insane surplus + top tier rest
Or, it's complete bullshit.
>cope response
Surely you can disprove their findings?
>findings
Black person, the guy who ran the "experiment" was Arthur Jones the owner of Nautilus equipment and the "experiment", of course, used exclusively Nautilus exercise equipment. It was literally just a marketing fraud campaign and you fell for it.
>The primary purpose was to prove or disprove the efficacy of pure Nautilus training in developing a champion physique.
so, you can't disprove it? wild
Can you disprove I anally reamed your mother and father 35 times each? Heh, I thought not. Guess it's fact now.
Yes I can. They do not have monkeypox.
so, you can't disprove it? wild
This is the response of someone who knows he got btfo but absolutely needs to have the last say. Lmao.
Yeah, but the only reason he made most of those gains was because he was previously out of lifting for whatever reason, and then later got back to the gym. Muscle memory was observed in other studies since something about tendon strength and cell nuclei, it's still going to take time, but you'll get back gains quicker than the original period, unless you were wasting disease tier.
100% roid guts
I'm 30 and get comments on my body fairly regularly. I'm not even that big or strong. My OHP is 1pl8 and apparently that's enough to have wider shoulders than most people out there.
The bar is so low guys, you really gotta step out of IST for a few hours and realize
remember that his redittor is natty and if you roid and not even look like that you should just give up because you obviously don't have the dedication and discipline to actually improve and are just looking for a shortcut
Use some goddamn punctuation, you moronic primate. You type like a fricking schizomaniac.
Looks like he was fit before and then hopped on TRT
its really simple
does he look like he could roid?
Yes - he roids
No - he probably roids
im 37 and mog 80% of fit after lifting for 2 months, no i wont post my pics because most of you are homosexuals
fatceps =/= mogging
>after lifting for 2 months
i started skinnyfat and get ripped fast af lmao, saiyan genes
I didn't believe you til these trips, your posts are blessed. Well done anon, keep at it
you lift weights
>Is this achievable natty?
Yes.
He might not be though. He has really good muscle insertions, probably mesomorph (genetics exist, fight me)
He cut. He is probably weaker on the right than he is on the left. You can look like that after a few years of training then doing a harsh 3-6 month cut.
I'm 33 and I've never looked better. I don't know if you people are genuinely teenagers or just looking for an excuse to give up.
My gym is full of guys looking great in their 50s. You want to be that guy, not the lazy piece of shit who wants to die when he sees his reflection and hurts when he gets off the couch.
>be 34
I keep making decent gains. I don't even feel old. I got white hairs now tho. muscle memory is a thing tho.
I think the constant bulking I'm done with. Im doing my last "clean" bulk. then I'll start to cut more / do cardio.
its like I blinked and I'm mid 30s.
>its like I blinked and I'm mid 30s.
dont scare me , im 19 at the moment and i feel like my young adult years will be gone in a blip
20-30 is fast. 30-40 seems so much faster.
you're young as you feel. I think if you invest in youth culture w/o being fricking weird. Keep learning / growing.
I'm so fricking glad I was a gymcel in my 20s. holy frick thankyou.
also moving to a big city you realize how fricking young 30s are. 19? bro you're a baby. most people don't grow out of highschool mind until late 20s.
the problem now is that people think 30 is old. its legit the new 20. As a man you don't fully develop / know WTF is going on until 30s
28 and it feels like I was 22 last year. Shit's fricked
did you have an eventful 20s? ive noticed times in my life where i did nothing went so much faster in retrospect than times i filled with events
do people believe you become impotent at 35 or something?
he's probably on trt but let's be real, the difference between the two photos is like 15lbs
Have some degree of fitness and restraint long before now tubby. Surgery is your only option now dough boi. Both stomach removal and a body lift. Hope you have 20,000 lying around jack ass. Next life don’t eat so much and only jack off till your 37 while dreaming about what you wanna be when you grow up lardo.
Again, you do not even look like 2020 version. At best you have a basketball formed under your skin from all the beer but the reality is you have fat through and through. Cut all you like you cannot achieve this even with a needle. You are going to need knives and a team of nurses who have to hold back vomit when they see you in the office and who take joy in thinking about killing you when your insides are open on the table.
"beer gets you fat" is a complete meme
8 beers daily didnt do shit to my weight
Anon who are you raging at?
All of these old frickers that think they are Peter fricking Pan after ignoring fitness their whole goddamned lives and think they are just going to unfrick themselves now. Wrong mother fricker, wrong. Life is a very strict countdown timer and you missed your chance for over half of it.
You ok, big guy?
I spoke my mind. Frick your hug box. You are old and you started too late.
post body with timestamp coping projector.
What's the magic about the age of 35? Is this some kind of arbitrary cutoff? You should be able to get into good shape no matter what age, unless ur super old.
I don't think anyone says you can't. The only thing people have been pointing out is that the guy in the picture is roiding and you won't look like him. You can still be fit and healthy even if you don't look like him though.
After 35, body naturally produces less testosterone…. And then after 40, you body’s testosterone production plummets. I think 35-40 is that last age range to build muscle and/or maintain the muscle you built during your 20s/30s
>hurr durr natty
of course he's roiding.
Doesn't need to have roided to get there honestly. He's not super far off from where he started and it's mostly the lower bodyfat that makes the difference visually. But since TRT is an easy shortcut and he's almost 40 why wouldn't he start?
what cycle do I need to get this, this is where I want to be, and not a bit more.
>and not a bit more.
Wow it'd be really scary if you achieved more wow.
no, I just don't want bigger than that so I can maintain it longer and be where I want to be. Do you know or are you another DYEL who has never done a cycle, or even lifted.
Wow yeah if you got even slightly bigger you could never maintain it but you could definitely maintain that easily, seeing as you have a lot of experience in this field haha.
kek, natties will never learn
Post body with tomestamp cupcake.
The point is I want to do roids, I don't want to get a bigger dose that'd put me over. Do any of you morons lift or cycle?
Wow bro yeah you better stay away from those bigger doses that would put you over. That'd be terrifying.
>no body with timestamp
Lmfaoo dyel baby boi
I'm just a guy looking out for your well-being bigdog. You gotta be careful about doing those big doses and getting too big. I just read a study ITT that showed you can gain 60lbs of pure muscle in 30 days!
>still no body with timestamps
Didn't read, come back when you lift kiddo ;^)
>I don't want to get a bigger dose that'd put me over
Put you over what? Do you think you're going to look like the rock after a 3 month blast? Frick no
>Do any of you morons lift or cycle?
>lift OR cycle
No, you need a bigger dose to be the rock you worthless Black person.
>you're cringe because of my autistic syntax
Nah Black person, I said it on purpose, cycling infers lifting, and lifting infers natty , this is kindergarten context.
If you lifted or did roids you'd have no issue answering a simple question like that since you'd know about the upward limits of a dose.
Bro yeah, the upward limits of a dose bro. Whoa.
>can't properly use the english language to communicate ideas
don't take gear
>If you lifted or did roids you'd have no issue answering a simple question like that since you'd know about the upward limits of a dose.
I'm on 500mg test right now moron, and if I doubled the dose, I wouldn't be doubling the gains. Of course you don't know this because you're a natty moron who's only perception of steroids comes from reddit and IST. There isn't going to be a dose that "puts you over". You get where you want to be and either stop the blast and pct or cruise. You're the dumbest, blackest gorilla Black person I've seen in this thread, and we have gays claiming that regains aren't a thing in here
>still seething about syntax pointlessly
and you call anybody a brainlet lmao
>I'm on 500mg test right now moron, and if I doubled the dose, I wouldn't be doubling the gains.
nobody said anything about that shit for brains, but you need more test for more upwards gaining of muscle. Are you new to this lifting thing or what.
>You're the dumbest, blackest gorilla Black person I've seen in this thread, and we have gays claiming that regains aren't a thing in here
that's okay, Black folk don't recognize themselves in the mirror most of the time, you'll get there eventually
Make sure you don't lift too much either, you don't wanna "go over" lmfao.
Damn bro I bet you gain like a tolerance to test. So you gotta take more and more to keep getting gains. This sounds scary bro, one day you're gonna be pinning like 20 grams a day just to get hard!
100mg TRT every week, tongkat ali and ecdysterone. Good luck dyel!
>still seething
kek, maybe one day you'll lift lardo
That wasn't even me, bigdog! I'd never give you any actual dosage advice. Im afraid of what you might do if you got too big.
kek
>still no timestamp pic
it's funny that you think this bothers me, one day you'll convince peopel you lift 😉
>Multiple people can’t be telling me I’m wrong. Damn seething samegay
Kys old man. YWNBAesthetic
We really got a DYEL (or troon) in here saying muscle memory is fake.
Arms always give it away. Way too thick.
>arms, shoulders, veiny
yes it's roids next.