For self defense, what's the best combo of the big 4 of MMA? I mean boxing / muai thai + BJJ / wrestling, you can only pick 2.
For self defense, what's the best combo of the big 4 of MMA?
For self defense, what's the best combo of the big 4 of MMA? I mean boxing / muai thai + BJJ / wrestling, you can only pick 2.
muay thai and sambo
Muay Thai is an advanced form of boxing and BJJ is an advanced form of wrestling. I don't know man, you've stumped me.
Utter brainlet
>BJJ is an advanced form of wrestling.
it is? I googled it and they sounded a bit different, like BJJ is all about taking the opponent to the ground, whereas wrestling is more about physical strength, joint locks, throws, pins and in general seems more complex
Bjj is almost entirely based on the ground with takedowns typically being basic at best. Wrestling is about taking and holding down your opponent
really? why is it though? they aren't dumb, right? before you can be on the ground, you need to be on the ground. why haven't they put more focus on takedowns then?
It evolved that way. Originally bjj was literally judo. However, as the sport evolved (and possibly as a marketing differentiator) the focus on ground increased and became more complex.
>Originally bjj was literally judo.
but surely BJJ was supposed to improve on it… right?
regardless, I'm surprised that in modern contest, where BJJ has established itself as a staple of MMA (largely thanks to UFC), it actually has glaring flaws like you describe. maybe, I don't know, dojos will start teaching some modified version of BJJ with more takedowns? like some BJJ with a bit of wrestling? I can get an art like Muai Thai not changing, because it's old as fuck, but BJJ?
My fight gym has wrestling and then BJJ. these are combined with muay thai. BJJ is a bitch because it is a shit ton of choking but once you learn how to handle it, only the nimble guys and the 270lbs behemots are a problem.
BJJ is a really young and niche sport and has an ongoing identity crisis over what BJJ actually is supposed to be. It was supposed to be for vale tudo and Brazilian street fights and was closely linked to MMA, but unless you're actually training with MMA rules its naturally going to develop into its own identity. Without a unifying body to firmly define what the actual rules of BJJ are, it's becoming further removed from its original context.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing btw, like the philly shell wasn't created for the street but is still a cool technique. If you go to an MMA gym you can learn all the BJJ that actually matter like takedowns and such.
do you watch mma even? pure bjj is a joke, they don't have any takedown game and always end up looking silly. check hooker last fight.
I literally just said that. While it's evident you have no experience in any style i didn't assume you were also illiterate.
So why are you promoting this shit in an MMA context? A wrestler with a little experience defending against submission moves would crush any practitioner of BJJ.
You need to go back and read my post instead of continuing to argue against a point that was never made
1. I never mentioned mma because the question was about bjj v wrestling and their comparative focuses
2. I stated bjj's takedowns are rudimentary with a high focus on groundwork
3. I stated wrestling has effective takedowns with the intent of pinning the opponent
Now you are welcome to go and have a nice day or continue to LARP in the full knowledge that it is evident you are retarded.
Anon you dont know shit
God damn how reddit are bjj-buttfags nowadays
The great thing about BJJ as an amateur is that you can choose to focus on whatever aspect of it you’d like to. Although the BJJ meta isn’t overly concerned with takedowns, I really enjoy learning about takedowns and making them part of my game. You can delve into any specific part of the art you’re interested in
Matt hughes beat a gracie. The gracie said he was beaten by bjj. Hughes said it was all wrestling.
Gracies are the ultimate copers. Even helio shit on royce with his "over 1000 wins" claim. Helio said "that boy counts sparring in training as part of his professional record"
Gracies got roasted by Kazushi "The Gracie Hunter" Sakuraba, never forget.
Imagine being beaten by a jap because they refuse to get on your ground game level.
>gracie starts buttscooting at him
>jumps over him and lands on his head
The kimura is named after masahiko kimura because his dislocated helio's shoulder with it.
>chokes out helio in front of an entire crowd of people
>gracies insist that helio didnt lose conciousness
> He just had a massive orgasm from his nofap and being defeated in a masochistic fashion, totally not losing consciousness ~ Gracies.
>BJJ is an advanced form of wrestling
Meh. I do both and most BJJ brownbelts don't have the explosiveness or takedown capabilities of an intermediate wrestler. The only adea BJJ is better in is submissions once on the ground. But even then everything up to an advanced blue belt you can bruteforce your way out of if you lift and wrestle.
1. wrestling
2. boxing
Enjoy getting kicked in the head then having your arm ripped out of socket
By who? kicking a wrestler is stupid move.
Bruce Lee thought that combo to be ideal
Dutch-style kickboxing and sambo. Both are fucking OP.
The best sport for self-defense is running though
Boxing is #1 simply because it's the one you can get good at fastest. Muay Thai might theoretically be better but only if you're training hours a day for years.
To pair with that, you probably want bjj over wrestling just because wrestling has no submissions. You definitely need to train takedown and takedown defense more than what bjj gyms normally do however
Is MT really that hard? Everyone seems to say the same, like you need to train your shins so that they won't hurt when you low kick
While there's certainly more avenues in muay thai i found boxing far more technically demanding for the little time i invested in it. I'm from a kicking background (tkd) though so that may have made it easier to pick up and boxing harder relatively
muay thai and wrestling
Running away is the best self defense. T rex legs help a lot.
This, you don't actually want to get into fights gays. Learn how to sprint - learn how to run like the fucking wind - then maybe learn something practical if they give you no other choice.
If you actually learn how to fight, this is the conclusion that you will ultimately come to with enough sparring practice. Humans are extremely fragile and learning how easily you can be hurt or hurt someone else with minor missteps is an eye opener
Its an oxymoron, but you learn how to hurt people so that you hopefully never have to
>you train holster retention, right anon?
>you train weapon retention, right anon?
>you don't just think that having a gun gives you the skill to use it, right anon?
Combat Sambo.
BJJ + wrestling
>boxing
To sucker punch the bastard
>running
To quickly get away if you didn't knock him out
Train Boxing for fast hands and maybe some bjj, when someone starts to grapple.
Buy yourself a knife. Its fast, deadly, invisible and the pure touch will be deadly or cause horrible wounds. You can´t stop a knife. Even with a gun, its nearly impossible, if you are close to the person.
With your boxing skills, you will learn to get in and out of an enemy fast. Your hands willl be fast as well. With a knife in your hand, you will become invincible
If you are going to use a knife just learn myau thai, your elbow strikes are going to be similar to cutting with a knife either with "pointed down" hold. You don't really want to announce that you are using a knife if you are using one.
Boxing and wrestling
muya thai and sambo
Wing Chun
Aikido
there's nothing better than this combination
muai thai and wrestling
dunno
Why is IST talking about Martial arts so fucking funny?
because 90% of the opinions are just plain retarded.
getting advice for MA on IST is probably the worst place you could do it on
>UHHH ACTUALLY IN STREET FIGHT, JUDO KILLS IT BRO
>NU UH, I SAW VIDEO AND BJJ GUY GOT STABBED SO UHH ITS NOT GOOD BRO
jesus christ just do whatever fun for you. This isnt Andrew tates world where a pack of wild Blacks is just gonna butt rape you the instant you let your defenses down
Straight boxing is honestly great. Boxing and wrestling will tick all the general needs for basic self defense. Personally tho, I’d keep a baseline of boxing but incorporate some MT moves like their knees and elbows. Low kicks aren’t super effective in street fights unless you plan on really strengthening your shins. Sweeps are pretty useful in fights tho so you can run your ass out of there lol. Also, a style that people don’t give enough credit is karate. If you use a foundation of boxing and supplement with karate it’d be a pretty good combination
Judo & muay thai give the broadest education though you won't be as good with your fists as a boxer, or as good at grappling as a wrestler. Also the least likely to result in you getting stabbed since the former has lots of wrist manipulation and the latter good ranged strikes.
Close in fighting with no risk of weapons boxing & wrestling are best. You won't be aware of kicks though.
What are you training for? Psych ward and special ed? Or bouncing & street fights?
Follow up post: wrestling and judo are both objectively better than bjj.
>What are you training for? Psych ward and special ed? Or bouncing & street fights?
just to be able to defend myself on the street if run into some retards
I did judo for many years and sincerely believe a boy should be brought up with it or with wrestling
Just learn how to fight. Don't limit yourself to styles or rulesets.
It took way too long for this answer
Learn some strikes and some grapples, but just find some place that's actually fun to train and learn. Having very basic understanding of putting the hard parts of your body into the soft spots of someone else, plus being IST, will be the key to at least 95+% of the fights you'll realistically be in, ever
This is true. Some other anon mentioned muay thai elbow strikes. That shit is fucking lethal.
I once watched an anon here claiming to be a boxer argue that learning elbow strikes was "retarded" and "gay" because you have to get closer to someone to do them, ignoring that your elbow is sturdier that your frail little bonebag hands and when standing generates more force naturally.
Really, all that's important is that the system has a robust sparring tradition. If it doesn't require you to actively engage in full contact sparring regularly, then it's not going to help you. Avoid any of those gimmick gyms where they claim to teach you MCMAP or other "military fighting style."
Any combo of striking (boxing/kickboxing/muay thai) and grappling (wrestling/sambo/BJJ/judo) will work. Pick whichever is easiest for you to go to consistently based on your location and spar regularly. Remember that if you get a decent handle on the basics, then you'll be better off than 90% of people.
boxing
learn to knock out someone with the first punch
wrestling
when it goes to the ground. control your enemy and choke him out.
I do boxing on fridays and judo on mondays and wednesdays.
Wrestling is probably more versatile but the judo club is next to my house and the wrestling club is on the other side of town.
Boxing is best for striking but for grappling the difference between wrestling and judo are not that big. The underlying concepts of balance, application of force and leverage in both sports are the same. Many of the people i spar with in judo also do wrestling on the side
Do you think prime Conor McGregor could beat prime Mike Tyson in an MMA fight?
what if i came up behind you and caved your head in with a 50lb kettlebell? would that answer your question?
this. mcgregor would obviously wipe the floor with tyson
1. Wrestling - Most MMA champions come from wrestling backgrounds because it allows you to control the transitory space between stand-up and ground game. The natural progression of a fight is that it winds up grappling and clinching and wrestling lets you control that. As well for self defense the #1 most important thing is not to get taken down, because normally if you're on the ground you're about to now get stomped by the other guy's friends, if it's not already 2+ on 1 as it is.
2. Muy thai - After you've thwarted someone's attempt to rush you and take you down this lets you keep space and try to escape the situation with jabs and maybe a leg kick or two to slow them down. It'll be hard for them to chase you and hurt you if they're limping. Most people don't realize how disabled your leg can get from one good kick into the meat of your thigh.
3. Jiu jitsu - If you do get taken down, providing you're not getting pummeled on by several other dudes and then raped, this essentially allows you to do literally whatever you want to an untrained opponent.
4. Capoeira - It would be fucking hilarious if you dance kicked some guy in the head in front of his friends.
You need to be able to prevent yourself from being thrown, avoid hooks to the head for these are the attacks that most non trained people will use.
And then you can kick their legs and they discover a new world of pain.
A word of caution, knowing how to fight doesn't make you impervious to pain nor does it assure you of victory.
Run or diffuse if you can, fight if you must.
aikido of course
ONLY FUCKING HELL, IS THA REAL BROS?
No
yes it is, I can teach you but we have to do it my way
muai thai + grappling/BJJ + wrestling
I am so much more combative in my body language after having done training/sparring for months now. unless its a big fat/strong dude towering over me or a hood fucker I have way more confidence in my presence around other people. I honk more at retards in traffic and yell back when it's loud black woman rolling down her window to bitch at me with her entitled bullshit. Holy fuck bros this is awesome. Fuck Andrew tate tho.