For self defense, what's the best combo of the big 4 of MMA?

For self defense, what's the best combo of the big 4 of MMA? I mean boxing / muai thai + BJJ / wrestling, you can only pick 2.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    muay thai and sambo

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Muay Thai is an advanced form of boxing and BJJ is an advanced form of wrestling. I don't know man, you've stumped me.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Utter brainlet

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >BJJ is an advanced form of wrestling.
      it is? I googled it and they sounded a bit different, like BJJ is all about taking the opponent to the ground, whereas wrestling is more about physical strength, joint locks, throws, pins and in general seems more complex

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Bjj is almost entirely based on the ground with takedowns typically being basic at best. Wrestling is about taking and holding down your opponent

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          really? why is it though? they aren't dumb, right? before you can be on the ground, you need to be on the ground. why haven't they put more focus on takedowns then?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It evolved that way. Originally bjj was literally judo. However, as the sport evolved (and possibly as a marketing differentiator) the focus on ground increased and became more complex.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Originally bjj was literally judo.
              but surely BJJ was supposed to improve on it… right?
              regardless, I'm surprised that in modern contest, where BJJ has established itself as a staple of MMA (largely thanks to UFC), it actually has glaring flaws like you describe. maybe, I don't know, dojos will start teaching some modified version of BJJ with more takedowns? like some BJJ with a bit of wrestling? I can get an art like Muai Thai not changing, because it's old as frick, but BJJ?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                My fight gym has wrestling and then BJJ. these are combined with muay thai. BJJ is a b***h because it is a shit ton of choking but once you learn how to handle it, only the nimble guys and the 270lbs behemots are a problem.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                BJJ is a really young and niche sport and has an ongoing identity crisis over what BJJ actually is supposed to be. It was supposed to be for vale tudo and Brazilian street fights and was closely linked to MMA, but unless you're actually training with MMA rules its naturally going to develop into its own identity. Without a unifying body to firmly define what the actual rules of BJJ are, it's becoming further removed from its original context.

                This isn't necessarily a bad thing btw, like the philly shell wasn't created for the street but is still a cool technique. If you go to an MMA gym you can learn all the BJJ that actually matter like takedowns and such.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          do you watch mma even? pure bjj is a joke, they don't have any takedown game and always end up looking silly. check hooker last fight.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I literally just said that. While it's evident you have no experience in any style i didn't assume you were also illiterate.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              So why are you promoting this shit in an MMA context? A wrestler with a little experience defending against submission moves would crush any practitioner of BJJ.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You need to go back and read my post instead of continuing to argue against a point that was never made
                1. I never mentioned mma because the question was about bjj v wrestling and their comparative focuses
                2. I stated bjj's takedowns are rudimentary with a high focus on groundwork
                3. I stated wrestling has effective takedowns with the intent of pinning the opponent

                Now you are welcome to go and have a nice day or continue to LARP in the full knowledge that it is evident you are moronic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon you dont know shit

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              God damn how reddit are bjj-buttgays nowadays

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The great thing about BJJ as an amateur is that you can choose to focus on whatever aspect of it you’d like to. Although the BJJ meta isn’t overly concerned with takedowns, I really enjoy learning about takedowns and making them part of my game. You can delve into any specific part of the art you’re interested in

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Matt hughes beat a gracie. The gracie said he was beaten by bjj. Hughes said it was all wrestling.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Gracies are the ultimate copers. Even helio shit on royce with his "over 1000 wins" claim. Helio said "that boy counts sparring in training as part of his professional record"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Gracies got roasted by Kazushi "The Gracie Hunter" Sakuraba, never forget.

          Imagine being beaten by a jap because they refuse to get on your ground game level.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >gracie starts buttscooting at him
            >jumps over him and lands on his head

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The kimura is named after masahiko kimura because his dislocated helio's shoulder with it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >chokes out helio in front of an entire crowd of people
              >gracies insist that helio didnt lose conciousness

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > He just had a massive orgasm from his nofap and being defeated in a masochistic fashion, totally not losing consciousness ~ Gracies.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >BJJ is an advanced form of wrestling
      Meh. I do both and most BJJ brownbelts don't have the explosiveness or takedown capabilities of an intermediate wrestler. The only adea BJJ is better in is submissions once on the ground. But even then everything up to an advanced blue belt you can bruteforce your way out of if you lift and wrestle.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    1. wrestling
    2. boxing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Enjoy getting kicked in the head then having your arm ripped out of socket

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        By who? kicking a wrestler is stupid move.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Bruce Lee thought that combo to be ideal

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dutch-style kickboxing and sambo. Both are fricking OP.
    The best sport for self-defense is running though

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Boxing is #1 simply because it's the one you can get good at fastest. Muay Thai might theoretically be better but only if you're training hours a day for years.
    To pair with that, you probably want bjj over wrestling just because wrestling has no submissions. You definitely need to train takedown and takedown defense more than what bjj gyms normally do however

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is MT really that hard? Everyone seems to say the same, like you need to train your shins so that they won't hurt when you low kick

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        While there's certainly more avenues in muay thai i found boxing far more technically demanding for the little time i invested in it. I'm from a kicking background (tkd) though so that may have made it easier to pick up and boxing harder relatively

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    muay thai and wrestling

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Running away is the best self defense. T rex legs help a lot.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This, you don't actually want to get into fights homosexuals. Learn how to sprint - learn how to run like the fricking wind - then maybe learn something practical if they give you no other choice.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If you actually learn how to fight, this is the conclusion that you will ultimately come to with enough sparring practice. Humans are extremely fragile and learning how easily you can be hurt or hurt someone else with minor missteps is an eye opener
        Its an oxymoron, but you learn how to hurt people so that you hopefully never have to

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you train holster retention, right anon?
      >you train weapon retention, right anon?
      >you don't just think that having a gun gives you the skill to use it, right anon?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Combat Sambo.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    BJJ + wrestling

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >boxing
    To sucker punch the bastard
    >running
    To quickly get away if you didn't knock him out

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Train Boxing for fast hands and maybe some bjj, when someone starts to grapple.
    Buy yourself a knife. Its fast, deadly, invisible and the pure touch will be deadly or cause horrible wounds. You can´t stop a knife. Even with a gun, its nearly impossible, if you are close to the person.
    With your boxing skills, you will learn to get in and out of an enemy fast. Your hands willl be fast as well. With a knife in your hand, you will become invincible

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If you are going to use a knife just learn myau thai, your elbow strikes are going to be similar to cutting with a knife either with "pointed down" hold. You don't really want to announce that you are using a knife if you are using one.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Boxing and wrestling

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      muya thai and sambo

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wing Chun

    Aikido

    there's nothing better than this combination

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    muai thai and wrestling

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    dunno

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why is IST talking about Martial arts so fricking funny?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      because 90% of the opinions are just plain moronic.

      getting advice for MA on IST is probably the worst place you could do it on

      >UHHH ACTUALLY IN STREET FIGHT, JUDO KILLS IT BRO
      >NU UH, I SAW VIDEO AND BJJ GUY GOT STABBED SO UHH ITS NOT GOOD BRO

      jesus christ just do whatever fun for you. This isnt Andrew tates world where a pack of wild Blacks is just gonna butt rape you the instant you let your defenses down

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Straight boxing is honestly great. Boxing and wrestling will tick all the general needs for basic self defense. Personally tho, I’d keep a baseline of boxing but incorporate some MT moves like their knees and elbows. Low kicks aren’t super effective in street fights unless you plan on really strengthening your shins. Sweeps are pretty useful in fights tho so you can run your ass out of there lol. Also, a style that people don’t give enough credit is karate. If you use a foundation of boxing and supplement with karate it’d be a pretty good combination

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Judo & muay thai give the broadest education though you won't be as good with your fists as a boxer, or as good at grappling as a wrestler. Also the least likely to result in you getting stabbed since the former has lots of wrist manipulation and the latter good ranged strikes.

    Close in fighting with no risk of weapons boxing & wrestling are best. You won't be aware of kicks though.

    What are you training for? Psych ward and special ed? Or bouncing & street fights?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Follow up post: wrestling and judo are both objectively better than bjj.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >What are you training for? Psych ward and special ed? Or bouncing & street fights?
      just to be able to defend myself on the street if run into some morons

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I did judo for many years and sincerely believe a boy should be brought up with it or with wrestling

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just learn how to fight. Don't limit yourself to styles or rulesets.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It took way too long for this answer
      Learn some strikes and some grapples, but just find some place that's actually fun to train and learn. Having very basic understanding of putting the hard parts of your body into the soft spots of someone else, plus being IST, will be the key to at least 95+% of the fights you'll realistically be in, ever

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is true. Some other anon mentioned muay thai elbow strikes. That shit is fricking lethal.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I once watched an anon here claiming to be a boxer argue that learning elbow strikes was "moronic" and "gay" because you have to get closer to someone to do them, ignoring that your elbow is sturdier that your frail little bonebag hands and when standing generates more force naturally.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Really, all that's important is that the system has a robust sparring tradition. If it doesn't require you to actively engage in full contact sparring regularly, then it's not going to help you. Avoid any of those gimmick gyms where they claim to teach you MCMAP or other "military fighting style."

    Any combo of striking (boxing/kickboxing/muay thai) and grappling (wrestling/sambo/BJJ/judo) will work. Pick whichever is easiest for you to go to consistently based on your location and spar regularly. Remember that if you get a decent handle on the basics, then you'll be better off than 90% of people.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    boxing
    learn to knock out someone with the first punch
    wrestling
    when it goes to the ground. control your enemy and choke him out.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I do boxing on fridays and judo on mondays and wednesdays.
    Wrestling is probably more versatile but the judo club is next to my house and the wrestling club is on the other side of town.
    Boxing is best for striking but for grappling the difference between wrestling and judo are not that big. The underlying concepts of balance, application of force and leverage in both sports are the same. Many of the people i spar with in judo also do wrestling on the side

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think prime Conor McGregor could beat prime Mike Tyson in an MMA fight?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      what if i came up behind you and caved your head in with a 50lb kettlebell? would that answer your question?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        this. mcgregor would obviously wipe the floor with tyson

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    1. Wrestling - Most MMA champions come from wrestling backgrounds because it allows you to control the transitory space between stand-up and ground game. The natural progression of a fight is that it winds up grappling and clinching and wrestling lets you control that. As well for self defense the #1 most important thing is not to get taken down, because normally if you're on the ground you're about to now get stomped by the other guy's friends, if it's not already 2+ on 1 as it is.
    2. Muy thai - After you've thwarted someone's attempt to rush you and take you down this lets you keep space and try to escape the situation with jabs and maybe a leg kick or two to slow them down. It'll be hard for them to chase you and hurt you if they're limping. Most people don't realize how disabled your leg can get from one good kick into the meat of your thigh.
    3. Jiu jitsu - If you do get taken down, providing you're not getting pummeled on by several other dudes and then raped, this essentially allows you to do literally whatever you want to an untrained opponent.
    4. Capoeira - It would be fricking hilarious if you dance kicked some guy in the head in front of his friends.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You need to be able to prevent yourself from being thrown, avoid hooks to the head for these are the attacks that most non trained people will use.
      And then you can kick their legs and they discover a new world of pain.
      A word of caution, knowing how to fight doesn't make you impervious to pain nor does it assure you of victory.
      Run or diffuse if you can, fight if you must.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    aikido of course

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      ONLY FRICKING HELL, IS THA REAL BROS?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yes it is, I can teach you but we have to do it my way

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    muai thai + grappling/BJJ + wrestling

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I am so much more combative in my body language after having done training/sparring for months now. unless its a big fat/strong dude towering over me or a hood fricker I have way more confidence in my presence around other people. I honk more at morons in traffic and yell back when it's loud black woman rolling down her window to b***h at me with her entitled bullshit. Holy frick bros this is awesome. Frick Andrew tate tho.

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