why do i feel so fucking anxious on tren this time
im the tren only anon from 2 threads ago
why do i feel so fucking anxious on tren this time
Stop procrastinating and begin your healthy life today!
why do i feel so fucking anxious on tren this time
im the tren only anon from 2 threads ago
anxiety is common side effect of roidaroos you know that right?
Is the is true? How come I never see the big guys spilling their spaghetti then? If anything they are the ones who look the most confident at the gym
It's the harshest steroid known to man. Did you expect it to be pleasant? Just ditch the tren and do test+primobolan.
god i wouldve fucked boxxy so hard
Looking back, fuck year
low e2 from no test base
Question. How would you even go about penetrating this beast doggy? Could probably get in anally, but any chance of hitting the vagina?
I'm 6 inch, cut. I don't think I could get it in. Feels bad man
I think you just pick a fold to penetrate
Ain't that the truth. I've never felt more confident than when I was spending a summer just fucking this chubby red head silly every fucking night. I would wake up and start fucking her tight raw pussy. She would suck me off before I went to work. She would tell me about just seeing me would make her so wet she would have to go clean her self off in the middle of the day. That was the ultimate confidence boast.
Never fucked a truly fat girl but also fucked a chubby one for a while. She would talk about how she loved me and wanted to have my babies and didn’t want me to use a condom. The best part was her body still looked good naked, one of the rare fat in the right places types though definitely still fatter than ideal. Definitely something to be said for having a girl who worships you
Throw her on her side and lift one of her legs (the size of your body) up. It's all downhill from there.
Built for bbc
its funny how many black dudes that are normal looking with fat white women. i have no clue whats going on in their heads lol.
Someone got into the Krabby patty vault
I fucking love winstrol. Literally a wonder drug for me, puts on size and strength like nothing else for me. Too bad it's liver toxic so I can't take it forever.
is injectable winny as liver toxic? id imagine if its not alkylated then you can run it longer
injectable allows it to be able to withstand the first pass through the liver but the liver will eventually deal with each and every mg contained. the 17aa just makes the molecule more resilient
I bet you could take 25 mg a day for a long time without it fucking you up too bad.
Yeah I did like 4 weeks on 50mg ED. I've now reduced it down to just 10mg sublingual preworkout. Enough to get my strength up but doesn't really contribute much to muscle growth.
>Enough to get my strength up but doesn't really contribute much to muscle growth.
Yeah I remember I also tried 10 mg sublingual var and while I got better pumps it did nothing really for size or strength
Probably only dbol and adrol are worth taking such a low dose sublingual
I feel so incredible on winstrol even the 10mg has a big improvement even on my mood. I swear winny does for me what var does for most, but var doesn't do shit for me lol.
You guys have piqued my curiosity. I’m going to try winny
ymmv but it's worth a shot. I got it for free from my source and didn't touch it for forever because a lot of people have negative sides with it.
your tren is burnt
Alright so I think I have everything I need for my first cycle. Just a little confused still on the AI. Do I start taking 0.5 eod from my first pin, or wait till I see high estrogen effects?
use AI as needed. Eventually you'll find a schedule that works right for you. For me on 500mg test I do 0.25 adex MWF.
As needed. Through enough time and cycles/blasts, you'll find what works best for your body. .5 anastrazol every 3 days when nips get Hispanicey works best for me now, but in my first few blasts, I used adex which worked well but found anastrazol just does me better and keeps my estrogen at good levels while Nolvadex would kill my estrogen completely and make me feel suicidal. I did like clomid too but was worried about having eye/vision problems from it
>I used adex which worked well but found anastrazol just does me better
Those are both the same drug.
>while Nolvadex would kill my estrogen completely
That's a SERM and doesn't reduce E2. Anon you're a fucking retard.
up the tren
its the leaving humanity behind shakes
Hell yeah brother. I eat a big meal then drink a 1,000 calorie shake after.
>mutant mass until you're fat and can squat 3 pl8
is HGH an underrated depression fix? (assuming I can’t do anything about the specific circumstances that depress me)
>is HGH an underrated depression fix
It can certainly make you too lazy to want to have a nice day so I guess
moron you've said repeteadly youre too poor to afford hgh. So why comment on it?
It def improves my general mood. It also removes minor aches and pains which goes on to improve mood
>moron you've said repeteadly youre too poor to afford hgh. So why comment on it?
I've used it so I know the gist but honestly you're right I might as well not comment on it
Because trtbro just makes shit up and only pins test Lmao I have no clue what happened to /fraud/ so many morons just come on here and straight up make shit up
say what you want about cruisebro but he keeps these threads alive. fraud threads would archive without hitting post limit earlier and often
Nah he’s either paid per post or trying to be taken seriously. Either way I find it hilarious he’s spamming the thread giving all the newbies shit advice.
>or trying to be taken seriously
This is true
Is that a bad thing?
Just trying to help other fraud bros out
I will say recently I've figured out
>1) cruise on low test + hcg
>2) take at least 25 mg p5p
>3) take fin
Things all fraud bros should do
Bro this is why most people have you filtered Lmao obviously you’re new to this. That’s fine if you just want to shit talk, don’t spam everybody giving advice when you clearly don’t know anything past the basics. You spamming /fraud/ memes like “nobody can afford hgh” just make you look like a fucking retard when you pretend you know about a subject
>Bro this is why most people have you filtered Lmao obviously you’re new to this
Can you elaborate about what you mean?
As in everyone knows those 3 points or as in you (and you seem to think you're speaking for everyone) disagree with those three points?
As you in get constantly blown out and knowledge checked lmao every single thread you’ve been called a retard and slink away only to show up again and spam. Also you’ve never used hgh, you’re just saying that because you read it while you were a lurker. Again I’m fine with you sticking around giving shit advice to newbies. It just makes for funnier stories. Also I don’t know if you get paid per post count but your quality is terrible
>get constantly blown out and knowledge checked lmao every single thread
So since this supposedly constantly happens can you point to an example aside from the HGH which I already acknowledged I was in the wrong about?
>Also you’ve never used hgh
I did but literally only for around a month so of course nothing to actually go by in such a short period of time and I didn't even use slin with it
The only thing I can say is it WAS genuine as even only 4 IU was giving me good water retention and 6 hrs sleep always felt good enough but I digress
>You spamming /fraud/ memes like “nobody can afford hgh”
I mean it's at least $4 per IU and you should run at least 4IU for months at least 5 days a week so that's an upfront cost of at least $688 for only a couple months
Surely it's not unreasonable to say most people especially people who fraud who aren't exactly the most conforming and so don't have those high paying salary jobs can't afford that
its not really 4 per IU though. My source has it as low as 1.50 per IU.
>but its not pharma its generics they're like half strength
biggest meme in gear culture is that pharma is somehow magically stronger lol. pure placebo its the same shit. if anything UGLs overdose their shit.
I'd look into different sources. im not one of your haters, you do give decent advice. but i think you are more of an oldhead that gives some outdated boomer advice hasnt seen how the market has changed.
>biggest meme in gear culture is that pharma is somehow magically stronger lol. pure placebo its the same shit. if anything UGLs overdose their shit
I agree 100% if you're talking about anything other than HGH and HCG
But the problem is those compounds and so fickle that they lose potency very quickly without proper handling
So, yes, the raws are the same and come from the same place but having big pharma handle transportation and packaging of them instead of underground Chinaman makes them literally worth less
You can always double, quadruple the dose to try to match potency loss but I prefer just KNOWING what I dose so I have consistency
>im not one of your haters, you do give decent advice. but i think you are more of an oldhead that gives some outdated boomer advice hasnt seen how the market has changed.
Thanks but honestly I am seeing how UGL is upping their game and I'm sure there are UGLs doing good shit with HGH and HCG but even as recently as last year I haven't had good luck (with UGL HCG)
But most UGLs are absolutely doing great work in terms of test and blends and shit
That stuff is smooth as butter even compared to pharma
Btw if you feel too challenged and don't have any actual responses feel free to filter me so I can live rent free
Hey man I agreed with him I shouldn't give advice about hgh
It was my mistake
>just found a little baggie with maybe a gram of tbol left in it in my fridge
Nice. I like tbol for the endurance.
Just do cardarine
I helped my brother move and took 25 mg of tbol before. Was pretty nice
Any injectable that gives similar mental effects to tren? I just can’t get past the sleep sides. Also is it possible to have results on tren barely working out? I feel like I’ve improved even though my workouts have suffered tremendously
I feel you on the workout thing. I'm on week 2 of tren and I look bigger but not feeling strong.
>Any injectable that gives similar mental effects to tren
What mental effects specifically?
Can try MENT I guess
>Also is it possible to have results on tren barely working out?
Yes for sure but that only works for so many cycles
Eventually you will need to learn how to either work out feeling super shitty or take things that make you feel less shitty
Yeah I’m done with tren I just was surprised that I was still getting improvements despite my workouts being worse
Taking Sdrol 20mg. 10 pre workout (morning) and 10 about 6 Hours later. When should I time my TUDCA and other support supps? Do I split doses in half and take them with/after each sdrol dose?
>When should I time my TUDCA and other support supps?
Away from when you take the orals so I dunno lunch?
Wait is this the new thread?
Shit sorry I'm so late bros
Gonna have to write you up for this. On your next offense, we're deducting your wage from $0/h to $0/h.
Sorry boss won't happen again
be careful you gays
Alright I might bite the bullet. I've been talking through with a few people on here and I am confident that a 500mg test cycle will be what I want to do.
I'm wondering if sourcing is allowed here, I remember a few years ago I got someone's email that was prevalent on here but didn't go through with it. Australian btw. I can go DNM but I was wondering if there were better options. Also have someone irl but when I enquired price I was told it was around $1k a cycle which I know is way too much for a test only cycle lmao
can't talk sources here but there is a website for Steroid Source Talk that you should use
How bad is tren really for insomnia, also @ which dosage does this usually start to appear, (i know cunts are constantly asking shit like this)
Lmao I was about to tell you to stfu because I thought you were the OP. And that depends, I felt it on 400mg and up, some never feel it, some do immediately. It depends I would start small if you never got on it before
Was it like no sleep at alll? or just like hard to stay asleep?
Hard to get to sleep, really had to dial in my routine and actually wind down for an hour or two before I went to sleep. Get some melatonin and just get on a schedule. I don’t recommend getting on sleeping pills or anything like that
you wake up 4 hours in and can’t go back to sleep type sleep
Terrible. I felt it on 150, worse at higher
Shit anon, I'm on 200mg a week and it's already wrecked my sleep 2 weeks in
Well that’s it. First pin done. I thought I would have been more stable but as soon as the needle was in I was shaky as hell. I thought with all the videos the oil was gonna be much harder to push in but it was alright. Went in the delts. Didn’t have any pain.
I struggled to get the right amount of gear in the syringe while also getting air bubbles out. Seemed like I was having to push out quite a lot of liquid to get no air. Anyways, job done. Guess if an infection comes or anything wrong it’ll show in a couple of days?
Pushing out liquid? Retard. Fill the syringe from the container, pull the needle out, hold the syringe vertical (pin on top), take in air. You now have an airbubble at the top which can be pushed out without losing any oil.
Kek no one here actually roids you mongoloid. It’s all larping.
Just a prank haha..
Haha right. Austrian ginger haha.
You seem stupid, and pushing out air is a complete meme anyway.
>I struggled to get the right amount of gear in the syringe while also getting air bubbles out.
what the fuck are you talking about
It only gets easier and you never really shake that much again
It's a fear of the unknown kind of thing
That's a good technique but not useful for first timers imo
But yeah pushing in a bubble of air at the end also helps prevent subq leakage
>have a FFMI of 25.4
>still feel small
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
Tbf that is kind of small especially on a blast
Perfectly decent on a cruise though
But I mean you don't get that
>yeah that dude definitely roids
look until at least 27
People always underestimate their bodyfat and overestimate their FFMI. I’ll bet you’re closer to 23 than 25.4
Improbable, more likely I'm overestimating bodyfat.
Unless you post body I’m gonna keep on doubting hard
I'm on TRT but I want some mass too. Will dbol (or a less wet oral) be affective on 140mg/week test c?
same poster. someone help pls. gonna cut in a month, should i do anavar/clomid? i want something dry.
don't waste your first blast on orals only
just do 500mg test per week for 12-16weeks
im on 160mg weekly and have back acne. i want something that doesnt convert to e2.
why not try adding primo or mast?
im OK with it. are they dry? my only concerns are acne and balding.
oh, they will make you go bald if you're predisposed, but I think an equal dose to test would clear up the bacne lol
my understanding is var/clen are dry (wont convert to DHT/e2) and will give gains. 140 test c is great but im tryna GIT BIG.... without acne and balding.
my clinic offers HGH but im not tryna get bubblegut and slate neck.
yea idk. I'm only a few weeks in on my first cycle running 300/500 test e/mast p. Pudgy but don't need an AI and skin is clear. Idk bout running clen long term
ty for your honesty. im predisposed to sides.
Holy shit just do like 300 deca only and if your dick doesn't work fuck it at least you'll have your hair and no acne I guess
>jannies/mods banned me for a week for a “troll post” on IST
Oh well it’s not like bans actually mean anything but it is kinda annoying to see how randomly bans are thrown out.
I’m going to run a JM program this time, do you think that Warlock would be decent enough or should I run an advanced program? In the past I have run more strength oriented programs but I’m trying to finally shed my powerlifter phase. 500/345/585 @ 190
I also weigh 190lbs. I pulled 245lbs DL 1x5 today. 🙂
You have to be 18 to post here.
I'm well over 18 and I'm buff.
Using the word buff unironically
Bragging about pulling 245 lbs
You're 12 years old.
Lol. Cope and Sneed.
Hook line and sinker, havin a laff
My friend, 190lbs and 245lbs is a great start. Are you new? Don't be discouraged by anything they said.
I'm 2 yrs into lifting like a teenage retard, and 10 months into serious lifting (including eating at a surplus -- sounds silly, but it's literally the most important step more than working out no joke) and i'm 170lbs, dL 355lbs. Also, that is considered intermediate so keep you will able to get there soon (2-4 months).
I'm 100% natty and
I'm gonna take some test 3-400mg (and maybe win, and hgh) when i'm around 45ish yrs old.
you are quite weak
Not strong enough to deadlift your mom's fat ass..
Sorry kid my mom is ripped at 60
Ripped in half by my dick
Are you a women?
>I’m going to run a JM program this time, do you think that Warlock would be decent enough or should I run an advanced program? In the past I have run more strength oriented programs but I’m trying to finally shed my powerlifter phase. 500/345/585 @ 190
No that program looks like a complete meme
If you're used to strength training just do upper/lower or ppl and basically do this:
>one bench upper day/push day
>one squat lower/legs day
>one back upper/pull day
>accessory day where you focus on lagging bodyparts
>(optional additional accessory day)
On the bench/push day do other exercises like:
>incline dumbbell bench
On the back/pull day:
On the squat/leg day:
>hack squat/goblet squat
>back extension/reverse hyper
And then accessories can look like:
For lagging calves, biceps, abs, lats, respectively
Welp I just wrote you an A+ program guide for absolutely free you all you need to apply here is progressive volume over the exercises over the course of your cycle and can drop one or even both accessory days if need to take a deload
Finished a 15 week bulk with test and deca
Been cruising-cutting for 2 months but I feel like my weight loss has stalled or slowed down considerably.
Should I add some tren + anavar to finish my cut then jump right back into a bulk?
Just depends on your goal. Do you want abs or do you want more muscle.
More muscle but i mostly wanna cut bc im around 17%bf atm
Yeah but should I add tren and var to speed things up?
They won't speed it up. Speed of your cut is based on your caloric deficit. The gear will just make you look better and help retain more muscle.
50mg var for 8 weeks
train harder, eat the same
When on cycle should I get bloods done?
anytime you see a blood out cycling blast em. crip set.
At least 6 weeks in
Gonna ultimately depend on why you're getting bloods though
But for the usual checking of hormones: test, e, shbg, prolactin 6 weeks in is fine
Currently on 600mg test per week, should I drop it while I'm on 30mg dbol for a month?
No just use an ai
I take it that it's normal to take up to 25mg AI per day whilst on dbol?
Nothing is normal in terms of AI so no
And I'm guessing you mean Asin there good lord don't take that much asin that frequently you will end up with 0 aromatization very quickly
Read up more on SUICIDAL AIs and how to use them
Ah, sorry, I meant more that if you're using Asin then it would be normal to have to take AI almost that frequently?
I don't really use AI at 600mg, but I know dbol's going to fuck me if I try to avoid AI on it. Since I don't really use AI that much, whilst I know the theory of how much is normal, I'm just feeling for other people's experiences.
only 30mg dbol is not gonna make you need 25mg asin if you dont need one on 600 test.
Feel it out, if you start to get high E sides then pop like 12.5 asin every 3 days. Increase the frequency if that doesnt work. If you taking every day and still fucked up, then you up the dose.
any reason to use anything other than cruise dose of test on a cut? Would a low dose of tren help cut faster?
Tren helps everything.
>Would a low dose of tren help cut faster?
Though I think pretty much everyone here will be able to cut well enough on 250 test + 20 var
As in can go 700 calorie deficit and lose basically no muscle on that
So fun update:
Starting week 4 and I definitely think everyone who frauds should be on this shit eventually even if hair is no concern
Background: I'm cruising on test+hcg right now and I respond particularly strongly to DHT since 10 mg var feels like a cup of coffee and any dose of Primo gives me anxiety
I first took 0.3 mg fin and all it did was give me a bit of lethargy
Like taking an allergy med
Then I tried 0.6 mg and the lethargy was worse like taking an extra strong allergy med
Then I tried the full 1.25 mg and it knocked me the fuck out and felt like a zombie the next day
So went back down to 0.25 EOD and just felt a bit of lethargy for a couple weeks
Now feel completely fine though
Initially boners were worse though that's because I was also taking pygeum for prostate health
When I dropped that they were fine again but I suspect that's why people initially have shit boners on this stuff because they're used to having an enlarged/inflamed prostate and your body's gotta recognize how to get hard when your prostate is smaller again
Oh and another plus is my acne is way better
So basically, fuck DHT we don't need that shit especially in our prostate and in our scalp as we age and so fin can help with that
God I hate autocorrect
Oh one thing I forgot to mention the "fin shedding" is still happening so it sucks seeing all those hairs fall out in the shower so I'm dreading my next haircut but I just tell myself it will be fine in some months and then I'll never have to worry about hair shit ever again
Grow it out and go full Hulk Hogan.
God that would be amazing bro
Was just watching the latest perfect match where the girls were all creaming themselves at the blond long faired fraud bro lol
Hulk's a fucking hero.
Never forget how his kid got into Pokémon cards and he volunteered to be the MC at his kid's first tournament.
>so fin is good for reducing swelling of prostate?
You got it bro
And really there's no reason at all to take the dose the ~~*pharma*~~ gives you
I’m on my third cycle and my blood pressure has went way up, or at least what I think is way too high. My last cycle was 500 mg test e for 16 weeks with 50 mg var the last 8 weeks. I checked bp once a day on that cycle and highest I ever saw it get was 135/82. The past 5ish days I’ve been sitting at around 150-160/85 consistently and it shot up to 177/91 a couple days ago.
My first two cycles I never had any high e2 signs and when I got bloods done at week 6 on my last cycle it was within normal range, but to the high side, so I didn’t take any ai the whole cycle and didn’t plan to take any this cycle since I’m doing the same test base, but just swapping out primo for the var. this cycle I’ve had several possible high e2 symptoms though, holding a lot of water weight, skins kind of oily but not any real bad acne, been getting in a bitchy mood pretty easily, and high bp. So I took 12.5 aromasin 3 days ago and again today. Blood pressure had shot up to 172/91 the day I took the ai, and it’s back down to 140-150 systolic since 12 hours or so later. So I think high e2 could be the main culprit in the bp, and I’m getting bloods done in 2 weeks so I’ll verify the e2 levels then.
Should I add in cialis or something for the bp, or just stick 12.5 aramosin e3d and see if brings it back down closer to normal? Or is that bp level not even high enough to worry about?
I mean I would personally worry if my BP was that high since I do more cardio and take hibiscus on cycle
But in general 140-150 isn't that terrible on a cycle no and could just be because you're holding a lot more weight in general
Has your weight already gone up a lot this cycle?
You DO keep track of your bodyweight right?
8.5 lbs in 3 weeks and I feel like it’s 75%+ water weight. Started at 213 221.5 a couple days ago, 16ish% body fat. moron bodyfat % scale says 14.7%, but I don’t buy it.
I’m doing 30 minutes on the stationary bike every day and a lot sled work 2 days a week, so I don’t think lack of cardio is the problem.
Gimmie a UGL source for PGE-1. I'm dying here.
Living with the parents how tf can I get some posted here without getting grounded or something (not really I'm nearly 30 but they probably wouldn't appreciate drugs getting sent to their house). I just want to get super strong and shredded bros ;_;
Everyone here will tell you your priorities are wrong.
fair enough, I'm not a turboNEET btw I moved back here because I'm studying computer science at Uni and it's way easier to just do it online from at home and not have to worry too much about bills and shit.
based move. i'm sure your parents enjoy having you around. historically families all stayed together often under the same roof for thousands of years grandparents and great grandparents etc. It is a modern construction to have everyone off being individualists. it is unnatural and one of the many causes of depression.
You realize what thread you're posting in right?
Historically humans didn't pin their ass
We literally are
Haha cheers, I like it me and my 'rents get along fine and I've got all my own space. Only a little annoying having to share a kitchen, but i just cook later at night as to not be in anyone's way
Lol yeah idk my parents are pretty spacey, I smoked weed for like 2 years in my room (using a vape) and I know my room REEKED of weed but never got caught. I was mainly going to keep the medical equipment in my gym bag or something and just pin in the toilet lol. It is very sketchy
Lol fair enough, it's not too bad. I am back in my home town so I know lots of people and if it is pretty fucking hard to find a decent rental at a decent price in Australia atm. My mate was paying $300 AUD a week for a single bedroom literally a cracked out miners shack that was falling apart (even worse is that it was pretty much a duplex, he shared the yard and stuff with the other one). This is in bum fuck Australia too
If you realize your justification for living with your parents is cope you might make it
And hope you do
Good luck fren
Dw I know I'm coping, I could be out with a job while studying, living with room mates or whatever. Tbh I don't want the added stress, just chilling studying and having a few years off from life is good, not having to worry too much.
Obviously the not being able to do drugs and parents knowing what I'm doing all the time is ass, also really hard to get pussy living at home without a job.
>btw I moved back here because I'm studying computer science at Uni
Oh just read this
Loooool at choosing to live back at home as an adult
No amount of money saved is worth that honestly
Every day you live at home is a day lost and our days on this earth are limited
t. Friends who moved back home after uni who I never heard from again but probably an hero'd
idk, get a PO box if you're really worried about it, or tell your parents not to open you packages
Not really possible to do in your house considering all the necessary medical equipment and I know how nosy parents are and shit
t. Parents found my weed+bong+flask back in the day even though I thought I hid them so well
All kids who roid do it at school/sports practice with the help of someone older
Reading that just makes me sad.
don't be sad friend
Ok. 400 pins came in. Should be set for a few years.
Ummm sweetie I found your tren and chud porn stash. You’re grounded until summer Mister!
get a job and move out asap, then you can think about gear. stop fucking living with your parents.
what’s the ideal test to mast ratio to avoid flatness and dick limper than a pasta noodle?
you deserve it for being such a gay loser. Amazing people do this shit to look like a gay male stripper, all while they think they look sexy as hell. Congratulations on internalizing the voices of every bully you've ever had in your life
I'm like 5 pounds away from 15% bf, I really would like to bulk blast but it's been only two months since my last 15 week blast. This past two months I've lost around 20lbs.
I also don't want to keep cutting because summer is still too far away, but I'm not exactly lean right now.
What to do?
What’s this about sublingual small doses of orals
idk, but I listened to an interview with patrick arnold and he was telling athletes to use "the clear" sub lingual. Must be some benefit
Better bioavailability so you can save money and probably save liver
Definitely saves stomach if orals affect your appetite
Does it need to be small doses? I'm about to run 20mg of sdrol split into 2 doses a day. Is 10mg too much to do sublingually? Will it really be much benefit?
>Does it need to be small doses?
No definite not but I probably wouldn't jam like 4 pills under my tongue
Do 2 at a time or something I guess
>Will it really be much benefit?
I mean if it's a big enough dose then diminishing returns will kick in like how 100 adrol isn't much better than 50 orally so 50 sublingually would definitely be past the point of diminishing returns
>Be surprised mood is fucked
Been off of gear since Christmas to knock my wife up, hopefully it happens this month or next because lifting natty is ass. Think I'm going to start back up with 600/300 TnT and then up to 800/400. Also going to cycle through some injectable anadrol and superdrol I have left over.
>Think I'm going to start back up with 600/300 TnT and then up to 800/400.
>Also going to cycle through some injectable anadrol and superdrol I have left over.
How is that stuff compared to oral?
Heard it may have contributed to bloyd's kidneys failing
Honestly hurts like a bitch to inject but hits you a bitter harder than oral. I honestly couldn't bare the pain last time I took so I ended up just mixing it with my pre-workout out and taking it orally anyway.
Lmao well shit
But good on you for pioneering this shit for the rest of us
50mg anadrol, 20mg accutane ED, what am i in for liver wise, also should i switch the adrol out for somehing less liver toxic like var?
No you're fine
50mg anadrol is the starter dose as far as adrol is concerned. you should be fine just take your TUDCA and other liver supports. Don't drink either.
Does primobolan give the same strength benefits as oral dht derivatives? Seems like it could be a good alternative to avoid liver damage.
Good question actually
I'm tending towards no from personal experience and just knowing what strength athletes ACTUALLY run and it's never primo
But huh I do wonder why that is...
Even mast seems to give a bit of a strength benefit
Best injectable non 19nor for strength?
I mean that's just not a good question but I guess DHB?
Otherwise test no ester preworkout gives the most immediate strength benefit
If you're asking for a cycle recommendation for strength without 19nors then I can suggest something like
Test+mast+dbol ramping for 12 weeks which is exactly what a lighter bodyweight powerlifter I know does in the offseason
20 dbol preworkout
>Week 12 (test 1rm)
drop dbol for 50 adrol and/or 20 sdrol
pin TNE on test day as much as you can tolerate...
But remember this is a low bodyweight cycle for a reason as it will keep you under 90 kg is all I'll say
I'm gonna utilize a low dose of oral for the sole purpose of lowering SHBG
Which one does it better var or winny?
I would just do proviron in that case since that's literally what it's made for
Can someone explain how tren manages to work even with shit workouts and a mediocre (but high protein) diet? I’m done with it for good, the sleep sides are too miserable for me. But nothing else I’ve ever used has worked like this. Diet and intensity have always still been king. But tren seems to somehow override that for me. Had tons of soda, macaroni and cheese, ate a whole bag of Fritos when I’ve eaten chips probably 4 times in the last year, yet somehow still came out of it with a six pack and prominent bicep veins. Eating well is pretty ingrained in me now so I still ate ok about 70% of the time but I just can’t get away with this on any other compound.
Superior nutrient partitioning and protein synthesis. Possibly raising your TDEE as well. The Tren and your Test base are constantly keeping your body in an anabolic state so lack of sleep is unlikely to fuck everything up. Normally it would tank your test levels, but that isn't a problem with gear.
>women have discovered steroids
sisters......this can't be fucking happening.
If they know what test e is than pretty sure that’s a chud
What a dumb Hispanic lmao
what a waste, she has great tits
>is a worthless slut
she will bear my seed
lmao IRL she probably gets creampied by capped shoulder trenfiends. As long as you never tell her you roid she'll want your seed.
>As long as you never tell her you roid she'll want your seed
Once you're in the bedroom no one gives a fuck anyway unless you say something like you have hiv
did what i said make you mad? lol
it's not hard to tell if a guy is on gear, you're forgetting i lift too. anyway: for the love of god. don't take tren
Attempting to get fat Bobby in /plug/ to simp for you by doing 95 lbs deadlifts in your parents living room while weighing 200 lbs doesn’t really count as lifting goblina.
How come some people‘s skin on roids look like shit. Like it’s dark, as if they’ve been in the sun for a year or something. What roids to avoid that? I want to look aesthetic not some sunburnt plum
that's just called an untrained black man anon
>skin on roids look like shit. Like it’s dark
Dunno about that
I know people's skin usually gets redder especially with certain compounds and especially at lower bf
bros im currently on 250mg test e a week, i dropped winny a month ago after using for 4 weeks. ive been on 500mg a week for 3.5 months, but halved the dosage when i started to feel the weird. i am worried i am fucking with my thyroid gland as it has "swollen" a bit. i dont feel it when by the touch of my fingers, however when i swallow it feels as if something is stuck in my throat. any advice? is this low thyroid symptom? i forgot i have bloodworks today and ate in the morning so i will go tomorrow and get some tests done. bros hold me
Yep. 500mg test killed you. It's over.
You just caught a cold or something bro
thanks bros. now that you mention it the first few weeks when i noticed the issue was when i was feeling down, not straight up sick but a general feeling of being on the verge to get fever.
Esophagus gains. Need esophageal dilation
Epiglottis messed up
Most likely just throat infection
If your thyroid was fucked you'd have more noticeable problems than swallowing
Did it make you want to fuck boybutt like Derek said?
homos are made by chemical imbalances in the body. i fucking love uppers like meth and amph however it makes me into a raging homo that will stick anything up his ass like its the last day on this world so i stay away. why is life so unfair bros.
I only get urges to do degenerate shit to girls. If it's not biologically female it's gross.
No fatties either
I'll fuck a fatty. I like just completely smashing them out from behind with no regard for her.
Up your test bro
I hope that anon back in the day is proud that him making this thread daily was a success in forcing his stupid meme.
What med is similar catabolic as T3 with same or better safety profile?
RAD-140. oh you said better safety profile, yeah nah RAD makes you feel like your organs are shutting down.
great for bulking and not gaining fat though. probably better safer alternatives out there lol like mast or tren
>cant believe im saying tren might be safer than RAD
not sure if I skipped the last caber dose or nah
>dropped tren (ace) almost two weeks ago
>10+ weeks of sleeping under paper thin blanket to avoid tren sweats
>decide to try sleeping under your regular duvet
>day and night difference in sleep quality
>sleep for over 10 hours (with 4 piss breaks)
sleep is important
but tren is importanter
This should be the OP for the next /fraud/ thread.
>with 4 piss breaks
Checked and I know this
Exactly, bro knows how to evaluate a situation
Sounds like you could use some P5P and Cialis.
>4 piss breaks
what is the purpose of p5p?
Prolactin and your prostate bro.
supposed prolactin inhibitor and effective in alleviating the symptoms of autism
I was bulking on tren and when i was eating big and a lot of carbs i would wake up 2-3 times at night. When i'm cutting, just like right now, i can wake up to piss even up to 8 times per night. I drink a shit ton because i'm constantly thirsty and once i get enough fluids in me i start pissing every 20 minutes but i can't stop drinking because i'm thirsty.
why do men do this (ones not competing)
It’s literally temporary and reliant on exogenous hormones
>Why would someone smoke crack?!!?!?
It feels good
Steroids are illegal mainly because of the mental effects
If it’s about feeling good then why is that ur chosen poison and not crack or heroin?
i am a woman and second, do u plan on being on this for years? What are u doing it for, idgi. Who r u trying to impress
>If it’s about feeling good then why is that ur chosen poison and not crack or heroin?
I've tried every drug. Nothing is like steroids.
steroids feed ur narcissistic desire to look like superman?
okay so I’m assuming ur a big guy now. what does that get u? Satisfaction? Happy that ur bigger than guys at the gym? girls?
>okay so I’m assuming ur a big guy
>what does that get u? Satisfaction? Happy that ur bigger than guys at the gym?
people stare everywhere I go, easier to intimidate people, I'm bigger than every other guy at the gym
were u bullied as a child?
You’re being so defensive
I just don’t understand the point of it when you can just reach your natty limit and be big… naturally.
Women can buy a body to an extent, but I get your point. Also, you can have a great body naturally, it’s called genetics. I’m sure some of you in here have mediocre frames, bad insertions, etc. you will still look funny when roiding
Steroids r just way too high maintenance tbh. Luckily im a woman with a good fat distribution and frame so i can get away with being a casual gym goer or just being skinny
Why would a 30 yr old be on test? omg maybe a 55 yo
>You’re being so defensive
That's a projection.
You asked questions and now you're projecting shit on me. I already predicted this:
>you will still close the tab thinking to yourself "i won"
>you can just reach your natty limit and be big… naturally.
Once again, your retarded natty mentality speaks. You have no clue what is natty limit and i'm sick and tired of explaning this shit over and over and over again.
Natty limit is something that you can achieve after 15-20 years of religious training without any setbacks or injuries. Now tell me how many of people who lift weights just to get a decent body (not to compete in a sport) started as kids? Do you seriously think that someone who started at 25 will try to lift for 20 years to still look like a dyel? Most people on gear look like shit because they think that injecting hormones will do the job for them.
>mediocre frames, bad insertions, etc. you will still look funny when roiding
This is what makes GDE's seethe when they see instagram fitness models. Yes, genetics are everything whether you're natty or enhanced.
>Steroids r just way too high maintenance tbh.
Two injections per week of tiny amount and $6 per month worth of testosterone is high maintenance? Apply yourself moron.
>Luckily im a woman
You will never be a woman.
>Why would a 30 yr old be on test?
Because this is when your testosterone levels start dropping and it's already 12 years past your prime hormone production period.
>arguing with a (wo)man
I am a woman. Why do ppl still think women r not on here?
You saying 30 yr old men should use test is insane. Get help
You can lift for 5 yrs and look good. 20 yrs is a lot yeah but does it take 20 years to look good? No.
Yes i did win because I don’t need to do all of this.
Nobody “needs” to do anything. Having high testosterone feels great, it’s a total life improver.
It’s the best compound known to man
>I am a woman.
Stop this larp you pathetic natty gay. I haven't met a single woman who was against steroids when it comes to normal fitness application, not being a fucking mister olympia. Yet you are here pretending to be a woman thinking that i will feel bad because a "woman" thinks that le steroids are le bad.
>You saying 30 yr old men should use test is insane. Get help
Learn to read.
>You can lift for 5 yrs and look good. 20 yrs is a lot yeah but does it take 20 years to look good? No.
You said natty limit, not "you can look good" you stupid gay. Learn to read.
>Yes i did win because I don’t need to do all of this.
Even if you did all of this you still lose to an untrained natty man (if you were a woman but you are not you sick degenerate)
I didnt come here to make u feel bad
Why is being a woman sooo crazy to u? Yes unnecessary use of hormones is something that’s dumb to me
My gf wants me back on steroids like when we first met. I’m just not interested in sex anymore, it’s such a chore. She’s accused me of cheating or something but I literally don’t have the desire to even chase other women
Not any of those guys but i'll answer
>desire to look like superman?
You said it like it's a bad thing. Why wouldn't you do whatever it takes to look like a superman? You have only one life and you consciously decided to be a normalfag.
>what does that get u? Satisfaction? Happy that ur bigger than guys at the gym? girls?
Just the thought that it makes you butthurt so much is enough. You know damn well that you cannot buy a great body or trade it. It's achieved only with long years of hard work. You can't put in the work so your only option is cope and that's why you're here. Even if you will get BTFO'd into oblivion you will still close the tab thinking to yourself "i won" and proceed to post here again tommorow.
Everyone knows that getting aesthetically pleasing physique is extremely hard that's why people automatically treat you with respect. They know that if you had the mental fortitude to go through all this shit and get to your goal it makes you better than them.
Here's where you natty lazy mentality speaks. Isn't it obvious that you have to keep on training and staying on track with your diet to maintain the results? Why gays like you think that steroids are one and done process? Once you hit 30 years of age you 100% should be on testosterone for the rest of your life to stay healthy and if your testosterone levels are stable you won't lose any muscle mass.
Let's be fucking honest here. Steroids don't kill people and don't do any harm unless you are abusing the fuck out of them, have genetic predisposition for health problems and do not monitor your health markers. Outside of that there's nothing harmful about them. It's funny that everyone who is against gear automatically assumes that dyel gym rat is using same doses as the biggest top pro's before contest. Normies do more damage to their health with one weekend of drinking alcohol than i do during my entire blast.
>Normies do more damage to their health with one weekend of drinking alcohol than i do during my entire blast.
Short term of course but long term not a chance
That’s wholly dependent on how the person and the blast. Like this
will easily get somebody 10-15lbs of lean gains with almost zero impact on longterm health
>do u plan on being on this for years?
roiding shuts down your natural test production, the only quitting is if you quit your gains as well
>What are u doing it for, idgi. Who r u trying to impress
its not a logical move and I'm not claiming anything as such, growing past the natty limit is a high and I want to ride it as long as my body can take it
I do not fear death and I don't care to live a long healthy life, I don't care to pass down my genes, I started lifting natty years ago when I wanted to be more confident and its grown far bigger than just a hobby
its only temporary if you quit + ywnbaw
steroids are illegal because monkey retard natty gay idiots chemically chastrate themselves and then halfway stop their heart before deciding to quit entirely and ruin their hormones for life
>It’s literally temporary
what is temporary?
>explaining yourself to a woman
>250-300 test (depending on how it’s dosed)
>125-150 EQ (depending on how it’s dosed)
>4 weeks anadrol 50mg starting week 5
>30-40mg anavar week 13-20
>cruise on 125-200mg/wk indefinitely after
Let me guess.. you need more? Fake natty here i come 🙂
MORE TEST gay 500 TEST MINIMUM
testosterone is for women
>incel argues with a chud and writes a short story about it
Planning on taking 10mg dbol every 6 hours to keep coslnsistent levels in my system.
Been hearing conflicting things about TUDCA dosage timing, however.
Is it actually bad to take TUDCA at the same time as my daily dbol? I get the core concept of a detox supplement detoxing the dbol out of my liver, but if it's only a 5%ish differemce, then I guess I'll prioritise my liver health/laziness.
Unsure whether to take dbol. I’m trying to keep on flying by as a fake natty and I’m worried about liver health
How much per week generally does it cost to cruise on test? Just curious, I'm assuming it's really cheap.
Bought internationally from a decent source a single vial of 250mg/ml test with 20ml total costs 25-35$. That one vial alone would last you anywhere from 20-40 weeks depending on your cruise dose. Its retardedly cheap.
Lol no shit that is cheaper than I imagined. I was thinking it'd be more expensive than like Tongkat Ali at least, I'd genuinely be better off cruising than taking Tongkat financially and gains wise
>financially and gains wise
Even a moderate cycle of the most expensive shit like anavar or primo is less than your protein isolate powder per month
Hence why steroids are a thing and why fake natties exist to sell their bullshit powder
Lol fuck I am going to have to source something, I had it in my head that you had to be reasonably well off for the shit.
I was looking into legal trt and that shit is pricey, but I think it's just the constant blood work and shit. Self administered try is a life hack
Like $4 at most
just sent in my blood to check my levels
planning on running 500mg test/wk for 20 weeks
did a few cycles of sarms but for some reason im a lil nervous pinning test, feels more "real" and like i am actually consuming random boiled chinaman spit
>trtbro having an episode
Well the chinaman spit will make you strong
Yeah if you’re doing a baby cycle you don’t need to spend that much on bloods but you should always put money aside for it. I usually put $200 in addition to whatever my cycle costs for lab work. But you don’t have to do that much and most of the time I don’t even use that much but when you start feeling like shit you will want to know why
moron how fat did you get Lmaoo I mean that is solid idk how you lose weight even faster without cutting something off
Fellas I fucked up and got way to fat during my last blast, what are some ways to lose like 15 pounds FAST?
*Fasting for 96 hours
*30 minutes of cardio x 5
*Lifting x 6
Thinking about adding tren or clen but since im currently just cruising I might just keep it that way until I blast in a month or so
I’m moving in with my serious long term gf and she doesn’t know I roid, my plan is to just hide it. Is this possible or stupid.
If its gonna be a long term thing, just tell her.
There's no way you're gonna keep that hidden *long term*, and honesty goes a long way in a serious relationship.
Just make it sound like the stuff you use isnt dangerous, downplay the side effects and also probably mention that you had low t before
>Just make it sound like the stuff you use isnt dangerous, downplay the side effects
Definitely may or may not have said how
>only TREN causes roid rage and I don't use that toxic shit
Meanwhile my next cycle is ment lmao
>If its gonna be a long term thing, just tell her.
>There's no way you're gonna keep that hidden *long term*, and honesty goes a long way in a serious relationship
But yeah absolutely 100% agree here about the she will find out and honesty goes a long way
True there’s no way I can keep it hidden forever. This is decent advice for IST, I’m going to tell her I just do my own TRT.
Maybe if you are 20, but I’m almost 30.
don't move in with a girlfriend in the first place
paying for gas/uber every time you wanna get laid is far preferable
What is y'alls preferred training style while on blast/bulking? General consensus seems to be hit each muscle twice a week, but all the top guys seem to lean towards the brosplit more.
>What is y'alls preferred training style while on blast/bulking?
The pros do brosplits because they're already fucking massive and really just need to maintain their strong points and hammer their weak points
So don't do what they do now that they've already made it
That's like following the program of a gold medal olympic weightlifter when you're only cleaning 100 kilos
High intensity weights 6x per week for 4 hours plus row 30-40 minutes 7x per week.
Currently blasting test, tren, mast, var, clen, hgh. The hgh helps with never being tired while in gym mode but still sleep like a baby and gets rid of trensomnia
Bros do I even lift?
you look depleted and defeated. cruise dose is beating your ass
Trtbro what’s happening to you Lmao
Nah nobody can tell when someone is on gear lmao women are the worst at it I’ve seen absolutely juiced dudes who would get shit on in /cbt/ get away with it because they say they work out a lot.
capped delts are the easiest indicator but you're right, the telltale signs are leanness and timescale. the problem is that a lot of guys juice for a natty attainable physique lmao, there's no shame in lifting and eating well for a few years. that's part of why i like bigger guys who lift because they give less of a fuck about perceptions and if they do pin it's for strength purposes. they don't even need huge doses for elite level strength. meanwhile you guys are fucking up your organs for no legitimate reason but to skip a few years of hard work and look metrosexual. sad!
please cry more
Steroids are not as harmful as you think... the ones that die are just the weaker genes. Majority are fine. The human body can handle a lot. Thanks to roids I achieved my dream body in a year of lifting 2 cycles and cruises in between
Please put down fork more
put down the crack pipe
Lmao nah the problem is natties don’t even know what a natty body is. They thought they could look like liverking by tanning their balls. And it takes more gear to up your strength than just look good. Brian Shaw and other strongmen are on a boatload of gear
>this is the guy telling you a gram of test won't do anything
>Get High e2 sides on crusie @ 250 test e
>No high e2 sides on 350 test 700 nand blast
Wtf bros am i just not noticing it?
You will eventually when the prolactin and e2 spike at the same time
can you guys recommend me some creatine and protein powder off Amazon? And some pre workout too.
how much do you want to spend?
I just looked it up and just picked the best sellers. Creatine is like 50 and protein is like 80
Watch out for that 'tine. It'll make you huge.
lowest effective tren dose to aid a cut? Thinking maybe like 100-150 mg.
I love tren so fucking much it's literally perfect for me. The only sides I get is one day of lethargy then everything's fine and it kinda rapes my hair which is why I am stopping. I just started fin so it looks like it's just going to be a gram of test and me from now on... I'm gonna miss the fuck out of tren
Never had skin issues like this before on far more gear than 500mg a week cyp and 25mg winny a few times a week before workouts. Only ever used enanthate before and never had an issue, even at 1g/week. Could it be the cyp ester or the brand?