(full)Squat, Shoulderpress and Pullups are the main strength metrics.

Benchpress, Curls, Deadlift are close to nonsensical in terms of fitness. They are only popular due to modern gym equipment.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thats a kino pic. Makes me want to try kettlebells.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you absolutly should anon. I have a set from 16kg to 32kg in 4kg steps. 2 of each lmao + 12kg and 36kg 1 of each.
      That a couple of stones and a pull up bar is all I need.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I struggle to hit 20 reps of Kettlebell shoulder press. I can't even do 8kg.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he has shitty form, you're supposed to keep wrists straight when pressing.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    replace the squat with the sandbag/stone to shoulder, and add some sort of cardio to make sure it doesn't become powerlifting v2.0 full of lardasses. a fit man should have a good 5km run time and be able to shoulder a sandbag of at least their bodyweight, minimum.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have to weigh in the stone I have. I think its around 50-60kg as I can lift it above my head with both hands fairly easily.

      also lifting a stone to shoulder depends on the shape of the stone significantly. But I understand why you would include that, I think that shoulderpress with one hand starting from the ground is allready sufficient to test this type of strength.

      I included the squat as its crucial for flexibility. But yes 5km run should be included aswell.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The overhead press is superior but the bench is fundamentally the same thing, just with internal shoulder rotation and zero lateral delt engagement. Curls are a severely underrated trap and bicep compound that you need to get into. Deadlift is just finicky. It's as much about proportional development and mobility as it is about strength. It's really more of a wellness lift imo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Curls are a severely underrated trap and bicep compound that you need to get into.
      so are cleans, which you need to do before shoulder press. I mean you cant lift a weight from the ground above your head before having it at shoulder level.

      Deadlifts are valid with a rounded back and small weight. But they cant be used as a metric really. Just like crunches, which are the counterpart to that exercise.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm interested in cleans because for a few reasons but..
        >you cant lift a weight from the ground above your head before having it at shoulder level
        ..just doesn't concern me. I don't care about the supposed functions of lifts. Bigger and stronger muscles are more capable of every function they do regardless of the method you used to make them as big and strong as they are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Bigger and stronger muscles are more capable of every function they do regardless of the method you used to make them
          hard disagree right there

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          I know there is a lot of technique involved, but that is kinda the point. Our body is more complex then most people want to accept.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I know there is a lot of technique involved
            It's all technique. He beat a dude with more than twice as much muscle. And that's precisely my point. I don't care about my ability to manipulate a 28mm steel shaft as per a federations rules at all. I care about my contractile force as it pertains to my everyday life.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >I care about my contractile force as it pertains to my everyday life.
              We are on the same side anon. This is why I train old shool. I think we are describing the same things actually, just using different words or even different lines of thought but getting to the same goal.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Could very well be the case. What do you mean by oldschool?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty much what I said in the OP.
                Kettle bell classic exercises and pullup bar(basicly calesthenics).
                (I have learned fitness from a couple of russian germans working out in the forrest, the best thing that could happen to any aspiring youngster)
                I also do some "animal movements" like "frog jumping" or crawling now and then.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nta would you care to share more of this training advice

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what does nta mean?
                Anyway
                5km run to warm up
                each exercise 1 set 24 reps all kb
                swing,
                alternating hands swing
                clean (first right hand 12 then left hand 12)
                snatch (same as clean)
                clean from the ground into press (alternating hands)
                clean -> deep squat -> shoulderpress with inertia (12 right then 12 left)
                deep squat -> shoulder press (kb in both hands) (That is the toughest one if you do it fast)
                deep squats with kb on a straight arm above your head
                some more funny exercises including throwing kb making them rotate and catch again.

                Then all the standard bar exercises like, pullup and all kinds of getting on top of the bar like muscleup.

                and on other days some mixed bw exercises

                But most importantly a good mood and fun with friends, it was legitamtly a nice atmosphere and fun chatting at every training session.
                There are some rumors in the town about our group.
                "Newcomers are beat up if they dont run fast enough"
                "Secret russian training camp for special forces"
                goot times.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nta = not that anon
                its so you dont become confused on who you are talking to. And thanks for the info, that looks like a great routine.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                how much rest in between the exercises? It seems very pull-heavy, not much push.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We are usually 10-12 guys. We go in 3 groups. So the rest time is while the other 2 groups do the exercise.

                >It seems very pull-heavy, not much push.
                its the main bulk of the exercise program, we also did simple shoulder press 5 sets with 2,4,6,8,10 reps sometimes. And other auxillary exercises.
                But as I mentioned spending a good time with friends was the main goal.
                I allways liked the phrase: "Anon, Dimitri (62yo) only did 7 pullups, but we said everyone has to do 10. You need to do his 3 last reps in addition to your 10"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what weight kb usually? guess it varies per participant.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Usually 48kgs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Bigger and stronger muscles are more capable of every function they do regardless of the method you used to make them
          hard disagree right there

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          I know there is a lot of technique involved, but that is kinda the point. Our body is more complex then most people want to accept.

          I should mention that ofcourse strength from one movement may translate to another but its not as simple as "Bigger and stronger muscles are more capable of every function they do regardless of the method you used to make them" which is technically correct but practically not that much.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > Bigger and stronger muscles are more capable of every function they do regardless of the method you used to make them as big and strong as they are.
          Factually wrong. Muscles trained by doing a motion become better at that motion. Having more muscle will make you have the potential to be stronger, but your nerves still have to figure out how to activate all your muscles to use that strength. This doesnt even take into account kinetic chains and large muscle group activation. Thats why most gym gays are actually pretty weak and unathletic tbqh. Training strongman lifts and full body lifts like clean and press/squat/jerk, sandbags/stones, farmer/yolk carries etc. Will make you stronger by actually making you able to apply that strength correctly due to training both the nerves and muscles.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This doesnt even take into account kinetic chains and large muscle group activation. Thats why most gym gays are actually pretty weak and unathletic tbqh. Training strongman lifts and full body lifts like clean and press/squat/jerk, sandbags/stones, farmer/yolk carries etc. Will make you stronger by actually making you able to apply that strength correctly due to training both the nerves and muscles.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, he's completely factually correct.What you're saying isn't wrong per se, but it's way too exagurated. You're not going to end up an unathletic musclebound chump doing bodybuilding. You're still going to get neurological gains, you're still going to learn how to active mutliple muscles at once, etc. You will just not specialize in that as much as you could. Nonetheless, you will still by every metric be an all-around stronger and more capable athlete by training for size and doing isolations. Our goal as physical culturists ought to be strenghten every part of our body from head to toe as much as humanly possible. This requires both compounds and isolations. Being able to take a smaller muscle used in some more encompassing movement and singleing it out for more growth will make you better at the bigger movement when you return to it. This is fact.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >physical culturists
              I like that. Sounds good.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You sound like a dyel physical therapist. If strength training is all it took athletes and strongmen would just focus on lifting, but they dont, they primarily train the motions they use then train strength afterwards. It almost sounds like your quoting ripplebreasts A perfect example is oly lifters, that he used basically your same argument for. If all it took to have a higher total was having a bigger squat and pull, then all oly lifters would do is train squat and pulls, but instead they dedicate the front most and largest part of their training to clean jerk and snatch and do squats and pulls at the end to improve strength lift. This also example also extends to why most powerlifters cant clean shit, though the movements are fundamentally very similar to deadlifting and squatting.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Only deadlift and overhead press matter

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Curls and deadlifts were some of the first lifts performed by the oldschool lifters of the strongman era. They're great movements. So is bench. I agree people undervalue the overhead press in comparison with SBD, but who considers curls to be the "main metric" of strength? If people were invested in the barbell curl as much as they are in bench, the iron game would be looking a lot better today.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ok maybe I should have specified that I mean the strict bicep curl with your arms resting on something. Even worse with cables.
      But its good that I didnt, because the free weight standing curl seems legit if I think about it. That will be my main take away from this thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based opinion
      Cheat / Power Curls are a great lift and don't deserve the lmaocurlsrgay reputation they get from fatties online

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Biceps have a lot of real world strength cross over, dyels just think they're useless. Ever lift sandbags? If your biceps are weak you won't progress far / other awkward objects require forearm and bicep strength.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        100%. The biceps are a part of the pulling complex. They're extremely important, as having a massive back won't mean shit if your weakest link fails. I've gotten soreness in my biceps from wrestling before. People call it a vanity muscle for the sole reason that they resent being devastatingly arm-mogged.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's all meaningless, any lift is no different than the ones you described, you're just moronic. When's the last time you had to lift something or fill squat something with full force irl, even pull-ups? Lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And curls of all things you shit on lmao. Going off your functional display of strength argument, strongmen train to have extremely strong biceps because it's an extremely weak link in a lot of events if it was to be subpar. Biceps are one of the most functional muscles of you ever left your command center. Why do you think people that actually work for a living tend to have strong arms

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And curls of all things you shit on lmao. Going off your functional display of strength argument, strongmen train to have extremely strong biceps because it's an extremely weak link in a lot of events if it was to be subpar. Biceps are one of the most functional muscles of you ever left your command center. Why do you think people that actually work for a living tend to have strong arms

      >strong arms = biceps
      ok moron

      https://i.imgur.com/h26s3Oc.jpg

      I struggle to hit 20 reps of Kettlebell shoulder press. I can't even do 8kg.

      how long are you into training? Maybe you should lift heavier for low reps and then try again for high rep count (I dont know the reason why you should shoulderpress 20 times, but you can do whatever you like)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Maybe you should lift heavier for low reps
        Not calling you a liar but I doubt you could even do this. Please post yourself pressing a 32kg Kettlebell bottom end up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          how does bottom up kettlebell pressing work? Do you need insane grip strength or is there just a sweet spot for balance?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            mostly grip, balancing is just about how hard you can squeeze it
            most I've done is 16kg for like 10 reps

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, you're a desk jockey moron that larps as a strongman lol

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The scheme of good exercises should be thought of as body weight>dumbbells>barbells>machines. If you can't do bodyweight exercises progressively you aren't so much "fit". You may be muscular, but you aren't fit in the sense that you can't use your body for a huge range of motions and exercise activities.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Really?
      I feel like if you had access to a rack, barbell, and plates the order would be barbells>bodyweight>dumbbells>machines

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Take the kimurapill

    Masahiko Kimura’s Daily Training Regime (Kimura trained 6 days a week):

    1,000 Push-ups or Hindu Push-ups
    Bunny Hop- 1 km
    Headstand- 3 x 3 Minutes (against a wall)
    Judo Practice- 100 Throws
    One-Arm Barbell Lift and Press- 15 Reps each side OR Bench Press- 3 Sets: 3, 2, and 1 Reps
    200 Sit-ups off Partner’s Back or Decline Sit-ups
    200 Squats with Partner/Log/Barbell/Sandbag (150-200lbs)
    Judo Practice- 100 Drills Submissions
    500 Shuto (Knife-hand Strikes)
    Judo Practice- 100 Entries
    Judo Randori- “X” x 3 Minute Rounds
    Practice Throws (particularly Uchi-mata) Against a Tree- 1 Hour

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fricking shit at this routine. What was old mates offical record? Was he Japan's best?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He is the greatest judoka of all time

        >Practice Throws (particularly Uchi-mata) Against a Tree
        How would this work?

        Using a belt just do uchi mata against a tree

        >One-Arm Barbell Lift and Press- 15 Reps each side
        What

        Curl and press

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Practice Throws (particularly Uchi-mata) Against a Tree
      How would this work?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Uchi-mata

        prob like this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          oh, that makes sense. I was envisioning something very insane.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >One-Arm Barbell Lift and Press- 15 Reps each side
      What

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I imagine it was with a short barbell, not a full olympic bar. Pretty much a dumbbell clean and press or bent press.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >200 Sit-ups off Partner’s Back
      Can confirm, these are goated. I do Roman Chair situps in the gym to replicate them.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    curls are more real world functional than squats and overhead presses. powershitters are insane. ever carried furniture or did manual labor? guys who are yapping about "functional strength" are all turbosedentary dumb geeks who didnt even carried wardrobes lmao.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >squats not functional
      >mentions moving furniture
      Solid bait

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're arguing with a moron that has never had to work irl. People that think biceps aren't important must think they're just going to lift things with straight arms or loaded onto their back like a squat, but that's not the case

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    main strength metric is the continental clean and jerk done with an axle, it utilises all the body and you cant be built for it, if you're good at one phase you will suck at other etc

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