>Get's injured for no good reason and stays kinda fucked up for the rest of your life

>Get's injured for no good reason and stays kinda fucked up for the rest of your life

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >injured for no reason

    found the fag who doesn't know how to warm up or prehab

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    youre a mentally challenged individual and your participation in discussions pertaining fitness and fitness related topics is not required, thank you.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    labrum tear. The result of listening to trainers and fitness 'scientists'

    You should never push range of motion with maximal load on a ball joint, you should listen to people that lift fake weights about how to protect your shoulder by developing the surrounding muscles.

    Overhead pressing, especially with a barbell, is one of the worst things you can do to your shoulder. Neutral grip dumbbells are much safer. You probably shouldn't do any overhead pressing to begin with. It's a movement we weren't naturally doing when we evolved.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's a movement we weren't naturally doing when we evolved.
      were you there?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It is simply not needed for survival. If you can come up with a reason we would need to press things over our head to improve our survival rate, I'm listening. We certainly need pulls and pushes, but specifically pushing things over our head was not advantageous which is why there are a plethora of injuries associated with placing the arms above the head

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >havin a shoulder joint that evolved specifically for maximum range of motion for swinging from trees, throwin shit etc doesnt capable to lift things above your head
          your brain on IST

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Swinging from trees / climbing is using a totally different set of muscles, good job understanding basic muscle physiology.

            Throwing and sports that utilize throws are known to cause shoulder injury.
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4647145/

            Basically, you're just fucking dumb and don't know anything about fitness or biomechanics.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Im not the one getting injured doin OHP numbnuts, you can kindly fuck off with your bullshit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            hanging from a tree is not the same as pressing weights over your head. Pullups are more like this motion and nobody gets injured doing pullups for that reason

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >nobody gets injured by doing pullups
              >what's golfer's elbow

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Golfer's elbow associated with pulls is nowhere near as prevalent as rotator cuff injuries associated with overhead pressing.

                Moreover, the underlying injury physiology is much different. You can recover from golfer's elbow with no surgical intervention. You tear your labrum and surgery is the only way to repair it and if you don't get surgery you are exponentially more likely to get arthritis as the bone wears the cartilage away like a cheese grater.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Golfer's elbow associated with pulls is nowhere near as prevalent as rotator cuff injuries associated with overhead pressing.
                >Moreover, the underlying injury physiology is much different. You can recover from golfer's elbow with no surgical intervention. You tear your labrum and surgery is the only way to repair it and if you don't get surgery you are exponentially more likely to get arthritis as the bone wears the cartilage away like a cheese grater.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I ended up with golfer's elbow when I used to do calisthenics and I dind't stop to the point to have the touch sense fucked in the fingers of my right arm, healed completeley when I moved from push ups and pull ups to weights (still doing pull ups)

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              what about that guy from the webm who did pull ups off the side of a building and then fell off?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                His problem was that he didn't do enough pullups

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hanging from trees and swinging distracts the joint and pressing compresses it. That said, overhead pressing is good as long as it is within the scapular plane. Dumbells and kettlebells or workman presses of odd objects are fine

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >If you can come up with a reason we would need to press things over our head to improve our survival rate
          pick up a big and heavy rock to throw it on a mammoth

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >have strong OHP
          >pick up big rock so I can smash you over the head with it.
          >you have no OHP so my big fucking rock blast right through your defense and obliterates your skull.
          >ibn4 "my small stature allows me to be quicker and I dodge it" cope

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          have you ever seen someone building a house/shelter? or pushing something tall and heavy? holding up a beam while its fastened? our ability to push at things, hold, or swing above our head probably is what gave us the edge over quadripedal predators. rethink the things youve said

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >why would we need to lift things over our heads?
          Carrying food, duh. Monkeys run with food over their heads all the time cause when you're not a predator other gatherers try to take your shit. It's a natural action for millions of years until over 50% of us discoveref baskets which thanks to africa is about 1998.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          grug think you say skypush bad because you skypush small rock

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have zero problem doin OHP, tho sometimes I fuck my shoulders up doin incline bp if I dont pay attention to my form, grip too close etc. not that I care, shit heals in 2 days tops, usually perfectly loadable the next day anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is retarded. I had a grade 2 sprain of my ac joint and nothing helped for months until I decided to do the bill Starr rehab. 3x25 overhead press with a barbell and then slowly worked the weights up and reps down until I was ohp 225 at 220bw. Halfway through the process the shoulder pain went away and it’s never come back. I press a 5x5 every week now. A strong shoulder is a healthy shoulder

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed. Had two shoulder surgeries for labrum issues on the same shoulder and the best way I've protected it is by building up muscle around it. My shoulder's ROM is toast from the surgerjes but I never thought behind the neck pressing was a good idea anyways

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There are safer ways to build the shoulder than pressing overhead.

        Lateral raises will work the medial delt, rows the posterior, and any kind of bench press or dip or push up will work the anterior delt.

        You can then work your scapular muscles doing something like facepulls.

        https://uwaterloo.ca/centre-of-research-expertise-for-the-prevention-of-musculoskeletal-disorders/resources/position-papers/overhead-work-reduce-injury-risk

        A strength coach is not the person you should listen to in regards to your health.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That "paper" is for the fat boomers in the workforce. I don't disagree that overhead work is inherently less safe than other alternatives but saying it doesn't build your shoulders is stupid. I think there's also major psychological benefits to building strength in inherently vulnerable positions like overhead-- you're not scared to use your shoulders if you can rep 225 ohp

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >but saying it doesn't build your shoulders is stupid

            I never said that, I just said it's a poor way to build your muscles.

            >building strength in inherently vulnerable positions like overhead

            I just laid out ways to build your shoulders for overhead positions without putting your rotator cuff in danger

            >you're not scared to use your shoulders if you can rep 225 ohp

            There is no reason to ohp in the first place, so to be able to 225 ohp is a meaningless endeavor other than to be able to lift 225 lbs over your head. You are risking your long term health for absolutely zero reason.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              when's your hanging due?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you have no response because you are a retard and know nothing about fitness.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ask me how I know youre a fat weak dyel

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What should you respond to a gay who's scared of a lift?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not scared of a lift, I just know what's optimal. For example, I wear gloves when I lift to protect my hands and improve my grip. And I only use the Smith machine so I never get hurt. Enjoy your snapped up shoulders.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ruined a good bait. Tragic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            U r dumb, or in denial. There is no point in doing anything overhead unless it's stretching. I've fixed my bum shoulders after 20 years of misery by throwing out bench and stowing away barbell. Close neutral grip pushups ( i do 60 slowly) and there is no name for the other thing that helped. It's bent over lateral raised with a twist out at the top but u gotta make it so that weight lies solely on triceps. If u notice that is the function of rear delt. 25 lbs for 30. When measured legs put down 25 lbs - that is how low palms are during said pushups.
            >But much bench
            Bench is retarded, builds droopy tits and ruins shoulders without fail

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lateral raises are not very safe, a lot of torsion laterally, even with small weights, is hard since the farther the weight is from the body, the more torsion you get, you can just injure your elbows with that. Just overhead press with your elbow in front of you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That is why i say u shoud do motion that resembles pushing yourself through courains. Back and turn thumb up at the top, very little to the sides. I AM the inventor. That is the function of rear delt, was forced to do sth about said raises because cep tendonitis would not go away. Hold weight entirely in triceps is the que. U are welcome.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i don't think you understand the underlying physiology of torsion forces especially in the way that you are trying to describe them.

            You don't seem to understand what fulcrums are. Since the fulcrum is your shoulder joint, very little load is transferred in the way you are talking about.

            How people injure their shoulder is almost exactly what you described, but the torsion forces are opposite and the stabilizers of the shoulder (infra and supraspinatus) are not able to stabilize the joint under load.

            There's a difference between a load being applied directly to the joint through gravity, that is the load being above your shoulder joint, and a load that is distal to the shoulder that the muscles are lifting and not lifting high enough to put load on the joint itself. In both cases muscles are stabilizing the joint, with the difference being your strongest muscles in the joint (delts) stabilizing the lateral raise and your weaker muscles in the joint (scap muscles) stabilizing the OHP. Does this mean that a lateral raise is 100% safe? no, you can still develop things like bursitis if you push too far up with too much weight.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              nerd

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not an argument

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ya bro sure, no one ever injured their shoulder doing fucking lateral raises, way safer the OHP
          t. Guy who injured his shoulder doing lateral raises

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well, if you're a retard you can injure yourself doing the safest exercises.

            We're talking about a given population, you take 1000 people and have them do various exercises and of those 1000 X number gets injured.

            X is lower for lateral raises than it is for OHP.

            You also may have had an existing injury beforehand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >3x25
        Your shoulder got better because you were working with high reps asshole.
        High reps promote bloodflow to the worked area wich enhances recovery.
        What you said that a strong shoulder is a healthy shoulder is true but is not because you were doing ohp, is because you were doing high reps and slowly increased the weight, you can do it with any exercise and as long as you follow that protocol bof doing high reps and increase the weight, your shoulder will get better.
        Is hilarious to me when people credit or blame an exercise and not how they did it, shows that you have no fucking idea what you just did and you think you know your shit when you don't even understand why it worked thinking it was because you were ohp.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are kettlebells safe?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Inclines and lat raises.

      Incline bench makes my shoulders crack and pop like bubble wrap, especially with dumbells

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      tear or not i'm not stopping my rows for no man, feel the pain feel the gain

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you are retarded and gay, if you can go through a motion without weight its fine to do it with weight and appropriate loading, can you put your hands above your head? yes?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >evolvecuck meme
      And homosexuality doesn't work and gives diseases and destroy the body but it's not about evolution, it's that the human body isn't compatible sexually with the same sex, no need for evolvecuck non-argument.

      You have to prove that the overhead press is incompatible with the shoulder system, which is isn't by the way, there are large muscles and big ligaments attached to big skeletal structure that does allow the human body to apply a large amount of pressure from the hands vertically to the torso.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Overhead pressing
      Had a problem with this, with chest extension on a bench and with triceps kickbacks (the last one just too scary to progress with weights, considering neither triceps alone nor shoulder raises of any kind can carry that weight).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they hate him because he told the truth
      I never, ever raise my elbows above my shoulders under load

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      barbell bench causes the damage my man not OHP. OHP actually heals the shoulders

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know I got a tendonitis there and it got fixed in like 2 weeks? Yes I am the anon who made shoulder injury threads btw

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most shoulder injuries people get are actually trigger points, and one of the most common is a teres muscle trigger point

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So what does that mean?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          do what the video says to do to cure your pain (in a large portion of cases)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It already got cured. bro do you even read? I did pull ups and band stretches and it's fine now

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            when are you planning taking a bath with your toaster?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what? weak joint? bad shoulder position? too much internal rotation? nah, fuck this gay shit bro, you gotta load HEAVY like a real man, see? light weight, nothing but a pea-ACK

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gymcells always have weak shoulders. Do boxing/ kickboxing and you will never have a shoulder injury in your life.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dislocated my shoulder a few weeks ago. Is it over for rows and OHP until failure? What are other lifts that are risky?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      open chain shoulder movements.

      Rows should be good once you heal, but anything that loads your shoulder distally while not grounded is going to put pressure on your joint. This also means things like bench press. You may be able to do push ups or even dips after you heal. More open chain movements like lateral raises should be fine, you just don't want the load to be above your shoulder joint at any point from any angle, which allows gravity to put stress on it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on the damage done but you can certainly get back to it. Do pt until your range of motion is back. Slowly ease back into lifting. Your shoulder and surrounding muscles probably atrophied during the dislocation so you’ll need to get them all firing again. Bands may be a good alternative for the time being.

      >t. Multiple shoulder dislocations

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just bench only with a close grip and do twice as much as back work as you do push work. Sinple

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fucked up my teres minor or some small back muscle
    it just now feels almost normal after 3 years, where I don't feel a slight discomfort when abducting my arm

    fucking never do ring turned out holds or even ring dips anons, you're risking fucking your shit up severely
    especially if you're form isn't absolute perfection each rep

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What did you do for recovery?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        initially a lot of rest, with setbacks because I was an idiot and thought I was fully healed before I as actually was
        other than that, once I felt more or so healed (probably 4-5 months after my injury at the time) I just did the standard basic exercises
        squat (zercher), deadlift, pullups, dips, and ring rows/pushups
        the more calisthenics exercises were done with just bodyweight and eventually with more and more added weight
        even then I still had pain around my rotator cuff and into my pec even though my muscles and connective tissues were stronger, maybe it was scar tissue?

        anyways, school stole my life for the past 2 years so in the end I think it was just time

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >bench and OHP (both front delt movements) every workout, sometimes every day, because some youtuber told you to
    >avoid the upper back and rear delts by never doing wide grip pulling aside maybe from some meme tier 50 rep face pulls that do nothing
    >get shoulder issues. A very common injury in both powerlifting and weightlifting (the OHP oly larp) compared to bodybuilders (uses sensible shoulder training like raises and dumbbell presses instead)
    wtf how could this happen?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've had an injury since 2017 that no doctor has been able to help me with. Got it from doing OHP and my upper torso kinda snapped forward under the weight (hard to describe). Basically my right shoulder blade is in constant pain. I fucking hate it and it sometimes makes me regret ever lifting.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So now OHP is banned aswell, I can’t do anything anymore. How am I supposed to get big deltoids with OHP being the new enemy number 1?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      by ignoring posts from skizoid dyels whos sole purpose is to spread misinformation for the detriment of others.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Inclines and lat raises.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      rows

      bench press

      lateral raise

      You are likely doing rows and bench already, so instead of ohp do lateral raise

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bench press feels way less healthy for the shoulder than OHP for me. OHP to me feels like the safest compound lift.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          barbell bench causes the damage my man not OHP. OHP actually heals the shoulders

          The superior exercise is dips since they are closed chain, but the bench press is better than the OHP in regards to injury risk.

          Actually most barbell work is terrible for the body, especially the rotator cuff, since it fixes your hands in a prone position and your body isn't really designed to lift heavy things in that position. The more natural position is neutral grip.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I had a torn labrum and major damage to my shoulder socket due to multiple subluxations (unrelated sports injuries). Even years later, I still do OHP. Look at the anatomy of your shoulder joint. As long as you are pressing vertically with respect to the shoulder joint, there is little chance for injury. All of the muscles and tendons attached to the joint limit it from moving. You will collapse under the weight before that vertical loading damages your joint.

    Front raises actually mimic a test doctors will do to test the extent of damage to your shoulder, where you’ll extend your arms out in front of you and the doctor will push down on your hands as you try to raise them while keeping your elbow straight. Lat raises can also wreck your shoulders if you do them incorrectly (tip: keep water in the cup, don’t pour it out).

    Strengthening the muscles around your shoulder joint is the best way to maintain stability of the joint and OHP is one of the best and safest ways to do so

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >OHP is one of the best and safest ways to do so

      no it is not. What usually causes injury is weakness in the scapular muscles, which stabilize rotation in the joint. Your deltoids are likely not going to be the cause of your issue.

      It really is amazing how many people know so little of how injuries happen on this board.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I will never do OHP and deadlifts because I don't want to become infirm in my 60s.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah my shoulder can injure itself somehow while I'm asleep and then a whole week of gym is fucked for me, not to mention the constant discomfort fucking up everything else. I've never hurt it lifting though it always just comes from nowhere/sleeping wrong because I'm old or something.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >deadhanging from the bar for 1 minute + reset the joint and fixes it
    Try it

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I broke my collar bone years ago and the retard orthopedist decided not to operate on it, let it heal crooked and now my shoulder is fucked up beyond belief

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I tore my rotator cuff stupidly carrying a sheet of plywood on my own and was unable to get surgery on it due to lockdowns keeping elective surgeries out of hospitals and moving states making insurance complicated. It is back to 100% now. My advice:
    >take shoulder/back/chest warmups, stretching, mobility exercises, and rotator cuff exercises seriously. Do them every day before getting into heavy weight
    >learn impeccable form for presses, i.e. master scapular depression and keeping your shoulders back and down to support them in pretty much any exercise. Also do all your pressing/pulling exercises with elbows at ~45degrees relative to the torso--- never flare them fully
    >dont smoke or vape--- nicotine impairs collagen synthesis and healing of connective tissue
    >get really good at pulling exercises. People tend to overemphasize bench/pressing which overdevelops chest and makes shoulders tend to slump forward and makes you hunch. This is worsened by the modern tendency to sit all day at a desk while working and using the computer, which also makes you hunch and roll your shoulders forward, making the back muscles that support the shoulder chronically slackened and loose. Shoulders should *almost always* be back and down during most lifts to avoid injury, and a strong back protects them from injury in this way
    >take some time off from heavy exercises that hurt your shoulders until you can really master scapular depression and good shoulder form

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