>getting in shape for (insert role here) was so hard- i trained twice a day for 3 months straight and gained 20 pounds of pure muscle.

>getting in shape for (insert role here) was so hard- i trained twice a day for 3 months straight and gained 20 pounds of pure muscle. im 55 btw

normies believe this?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i trained twice a day for 3 months straight and gained 20 pounds of pure muscle
    I would love to roid I just dont want to age.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      aging is overblown unless your blasting grams of shit
      the doses you run for an aesthetic movie star look don't result in derek mpmd aging effects

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What type of dosage are you looking at if you want to get that aesthetic movie star look?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          basic beginner bulk is 500mg test e/week. Most can do this with little to no sides. that can put you into aesthetic movie star territory depending on your starting physique. 250mg/week can even be enough. Go watch MPMD's vid on Goretzka, a football player who went from dyel to aesthetic in a few months at the start of lockdown probably from low (250mg territory) dose test if I recall correctly.
          Anyway, read the entirety of the wiki at r/steroids if you're seriously interested

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just the ageing part is scaring me, I have a prettyboy face and I'd kms if I lost the attention it gets me.
            I will definitely look into it thanks anon.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              and yeah that was scary for me too. I'm not super attractive but attractive enough, and only 23. also keep in mind your hair genetics. gear doesn't make you bald, but if you are going to bald, gear will make it come quicker if that makes sense. I know I have good hair genetics (dad in his 60s with full head of hair, same with grandpa before he passed), so this didn't bother me much. Meanwhile a german friend of mine is balding already at 22, if he took gear he would step on the gas.
              ultimately men have to take risks to get anywhere in life. In this case I ultimately believed the risk to me was outweighed by the potential benefits. You have to do your own risk calculations on this.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              just get a good natty physique

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >derek mpmd aging effects
        please do not reference that creature here

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >unless your
        opinion discarded

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just do anavar then, no masculinizing effects, that's why women do it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        most Varbies end up looking like disfigured male ogres

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Normies have absolutely no idea what is or isn't possible to do naturally. I bet you didn't either before you started lifting and realized how hard it was. I know I didn't.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Story time.

    35 years ago, I was 17 (yes GenX Old gay). HS Football player. Already been lifting since age 14 and seeing pretty much zero gains due to there being almost no information available other than bodybuilding magazines AND Im a lanklet AND Im a late bloomer AND I was not squatting and deadlifting AND I was skinny fat and always trying not to eat whenever I trained. Stupid.

    Anyway, classmate returns in August for football season all roided up. Previously he had been unremarkable, normal looking. Now he looked to be about 14% bodyfat (i.e. not fat, not shredded) , huge pecs, huge traps, delts, biceps. No zits or nothing. He looks great. Becomes starting linebacker.

    People wonder whether he took steroids (he obviously did - looks like he had a great response to a test-deca-dbol cycle, or just dbol) but because he was a "smart" kid, I remember a normie friend of mine saying it was due t his "work ethic" Guy never admitted anything, but now, years later, he's just a normal, fat middle aged guy.

    Work ethic.

    40 years later most normies still believe this shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that story sucks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I enjoyed your story anon. You should frick that guys wife

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Story time.
      Didnt read.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope I'm still here in my 50s. Unironically.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek I once had a kid who did calinestetics. Dude hhad huge forearms and generally had jacked upper body but hin legs.
      He was talking about training and stuff a lot. I being sporty dude hit it off w him.
      At some point we talk about roids for a minute and he expresses great knowlwdge over my superficial.
      Ok
      >later realize he was probably on danabol
      Later we armwrestle
      Though he is impressivelly strong I beat him 3 out of 5 and he looked really dissatisfied w self.
      Morale - watch a lot of armwresgling videos and be sk8nny farboy and even a roidee cali guy wont beat you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, how'd you get out of the skinnyfat stage? I'm at that stage right now, not too sure if I should cut or just bulk

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please come back scooby

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bodybuilders are just starting to admit they use it, actors will never come clean

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      From what I understand they actually can’t. They won’t get hired for roles if they openly talk about steroids. Only very recently has this started to change

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stallone has always been open about his Steroid usage, at least since Balboa

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sly is as self made as a Hollywood actor can be, he can do it.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I lived to be 55 I'd need to start doing meth just to have the energy to train twice a day for 3 months straight. That's not including the painkillers and roids.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope it stays that way. I didn’t join the dark side just for normies to realize everyone with a decent physique by 2024 standards is on gear

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >getting in shape for (insert role here)
    I miss norm so much

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they believe it. People still thought Rock was natural untill Derek started redpilling everyone. Yeah, thats how bad it was.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I fraud, so I know what Im talking about.

      I believe the Rock takes steroids, but I dont think he neeeds that much. Maybe 350mg test every week and anavar, 50mg/day up to 100mg/day if hes doing a shoot.

      There are several reasons I think this for this but a big one is that my physique is not as good, but not as far off from his, the boggest difference is arm thickness (ive got naturally skinnier arms ) and leanness (genetically I just cant get as lean in the belly area PLUS I used to be 350 pounds and have loose skin. But size wise and geenral conditioing is not that far off and I know what I have to take to get that look.

      But the Rock has great genetics (google his father), a lot of money for pharma grade shit, pro football player geentics, pro wrestler genetics, great skin, time to train and eat well (i.e. lots of high quality steak cuts with good veetables), past history of steorids (I think he blasted a lot of shit in his younger days - he had gyno surgery - and that does create greater numbers of myo-nuclei which remain, even when you come off high doeses) and hes been doing this for literally decasdes.

      Great Genetics + consistency + reasonable dose of test plus anavar (or winstrol or primo) seems rsoanble.

      Again, this is in part based off of how decent I look with shit geentics, shit training hsitory, same age and the dosages I have had to take. With great egentics and cosnitent raing, the Rcks look is totally doable on 350test plus anavar.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just do anavar then, no masculinizing effects, that's why women do it.

        I've done my research but I always want to check with actual people
        Do you see any danger on cruising 25mg/day anavar only ?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't cruise, do cycles. Too harsh on your kidney and liver long term.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sorry but the magic pill that you take for gains with no sides doesn't exist
          if you haven't already, you'll start looking into sarms next. That also won't go anywhere
          Basically your body will sense the exogenous anabolics and shut down your natural test production regardless if it's from pinning test, taking anavar, taking sarms
          so if you do anavar only you're shutting yourself down for no good reason. and if someone on /fraud/ tells you otherwise, ask him if he lives in Japan but is originally from a western country
          so yeah bottom line is pin test. add the var if you like, probably for a month or two of the cycle. pin hcg if you want to ensure your balls stay working, I do 250 IU EOD. the test is scary the first couple of times because the needle is big, the hcg is nothing because I use a 30g slin pin
          t. someone in your exact position 2 years ago

          [...]
          I don’t care who you are and what you’re running, 200mg of test is like barely supraphysiological. Without ester weight that’s like 150mg of testosterone. If you DID put on 25lbs in 3 weeks it was 5lbs lean mass and 20lbs of fat. There’s a hard cap on how much muscle you can put on in a week especially on such a low dose.
          >maybe I’m a hyper responder
          No, more than likely you’re a liar. You don’t even really notice the effects of test until weeks 4-6 and that was a high cruise dose

          [...]
          I don’t care who you are and what you’re running, 200mg of test is like barely supraphysiological. Without ester weight that’s like 150mg of testosterone. If you DID put on 25lbs in 3 weeks it was 5lbs lean mass and 20lbs of fat. There’s a hard cap on how much muscle you can put on in a week especially on such a low dose.
          >maybe I’m a hyper responder
          No, more than likely you’re a liar. You don’t even really notice the effects of test until weeks 4-6 and that was a high cruise dose

          That’s funny I only trained 3x per week at the gym and did light workouts at home. rest of time was spent eating eating eggs, ribeye and gonad basically. and no I’m not lying, although realistically it was a move from 167lb to 192lb. Perhaps I’m a hyper responder. Also a lot of noob gains so likely a bit of water weight, but the weight gain is real and I look dry. Very possible.

          people respond differently to gear. now kith

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >so if you do anavar only you're shutting yourself down for no good reason.
            It's net anabolic anyways.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >so if you do anavar only you're shutting yourself down for no good reason. and if someone on /fraud/ tells you otherwise, ask him if he lives in Japan but is originally from a western country
            What did he mean by this?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There's like three anons on this board who do anavar only cycles, one is an expat in Japan, another is me, I think there is one more. The one in Japan is a tripgay so he lives rent free in a lot of minds.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How is it and how does it feel?
                How much does it effect muscle growth and does it help with regeneration?
                And is it expensive?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't feel like much except more of a pump from working out and more horniness at the start/less horniness at the end of the cycle. Muscle wise I gained about 10lb lean in a month rather than the regular 1-3lb, but I'm a noob so it might be different if you're big already. Cost wise it was like $40 a cycle not including shipping/optional testing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                10lbs lean is pretty good, nice job. did japgay ever finish his cycle? he posted progress pics pretty regularly and he was always doughy looking in all of them which is why I couldn't help but call him out

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                idk what happened to him

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Basically your body will sense the exogenous anabolics and shut down your natural test production regardless if it's from pinning test, taking anavar, taking sarms
            >so if you do anavar only you're shutting yourself down for no good reason
            you're moronic, there absolutely is a difference, especially with how easy the subsequent PCT will be and how much gains you lose during it. e.g. something like ostarine is barely supressive and test straight up shuts you down, even in miniscule doses. and what the frick do you mean by "shutting yourself down for no good reason"? it will still work as intended, you'll only lose the additional synergy from test and wil start to feel the effects of the supression few weeks in, but on the other hand it will be easier to bounce back and keep the gains post cycle. taking a SERM on cycle makes it all a non issue too.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. You don’t put on that weight from cruise doses of test in 3 weeks

            I think they sold you saline for that body. I literally have that naturally. Your form and program must be total shit to blast that much for those results.

            >blast that much
            500mg for ten weeks is like baby’s first blast. Post body, champ

            you forgot the after picture

            I was 146lbs in November 2022 so a net gain of nearly 50lbs mostly lean mass in less than a year and a half is more than most people gain in ten years lel

            ROIDS ARE NOT MAGIC. NEARLY ANYBODY WHO HAS A “GOOD” BODY TAKES ROIDS.

            How can you look so huge, while i am 210lbs and look like a schoolboy at 5'11? What is this genetic bs? What, my muscle are too dense?
            I literally shit you not even at my best i look like a muscles thin schoolboy. People are constantly amazed when i tell them I weight 210 and sometimes up to 220lbs (thats 100kilos for euros).

            What can i do to actually get aesthetics instead of weight

            You’re probably a higher bodyfat than you think bro

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No. You don’t put on that weight from cruise doses of test in 3 weeks
              3 months, not weeks

              >Basically your body will sense the exogenous anabolics and shut down your natural test production regardless if it's from pinning test, taking anavar, taking sarms
              >so if you do anavar only you're shutting yourself down for no good reason
              you're moronic, there absolutely is a difference, especially with how easy the subsequent PCT will be and how much gains you lose during it. e.g. something like ostarine is barely supressive and test straight up shuts you down, even in miniscule doses. and what the frick do you mean by "shutting yourself down for no good reason"? it will still work as intended, you'll only lose the additional synergy from test and wil start to feel the effects of the supression few weeks in, but on the other hand it will be easier to bounce back and keep the gains post cycle. taking a SERM on cycle makes it all a non issue too.

              >something like ostarine is barely supressive
              you can define barely however you want. At the end of the day both test and SARMs are androgens, you will be tanking your natural production.
              >with how easy the subsequent PCT will be and how much gains you lose during it.
              PCT is not "easier" or "harder" between test and a SARM. maybe you can elaborate. You rebound quicker? You take less compounds? I have never seen any anecdotes for either
              >what the frick do you mean by "shutting yourself down for no good reason"?
              you get less gains from SARMs while still dealing with low T/E sides
              But you do know that taking a SERM with your SARM is better so that is good

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gains from orals come fast and leave fast. That’s the main problem with orals. I’m only using anavar because I’m cutting in a big deficit.

                Let them do what they want. It’s like screaming at a wall. Somebody who has zero experience with something thinks they know everything because they read about it on the internet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gains from orals come fast and leave fast.
                They didn't leave for me. I gained 15lbs then cut water weight and fat down to 10lbs from when I started bulking.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s hard to differentiate between gains from the drugs and gains from the fact that you were presumably eating much more than usual and without proper documentation and BF analysis it’s impossible to say which it was.

                The fact that Anavar is a milder anabolic in all regards AND the fact that you kept most gains makes me think you would’ve made most of those gains with or without the anavar

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s hard to differentiate between gains from the drugs and gains from the fact that you were presumably eating much more than usual and without proper documentation and BF analysis it’s impossible to say which it was.

                I had a spreadsheet running and was treating it as a case study. I will probably emulate my 'cycle' without taking anavar as a comparison at some point when I'm not too busy. I generally can only put on 1-3lbs of lean mass per month with typical training.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What was your diet like? How much anavar, 50mg? And for how long? What was your starting and ending weight?

                >Roiding for THIS
                HAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

                Post body

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                28 days, diet was whatever was necessary to hit 3000kcal + at least 120g protein, start weight was 154lbs, end weight was 167lbs. After cutting and coming off of water retention from creatine I am hovering around 161lbs.

                Of the 28 days I lifted 18 days and only slept below 8 hours on two days. Short of my caloric surplus on 11 days and missed my protein target on 0 days.
                25mg anavar daily split between a 12.5mg morning and evening dose.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think what that did for you was negate the fact that you didn’t eat enough 1/3 of the entire time you were doing it. That’s such a small dose; I’m also about 30lbs heavier than you and I bulk on 3500, maintenance is 2800-3000.

                I dunno man. I’m definitely of the belief that using the least amount of drugs to reach your goal is always the best bet but I’m not sure how much the drugs were even doing for you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My maintenance was around 2500, so 3000 was well in excess of it. And 3000 was really a minimum, on those days I was just eating as much as I could handle, on the days where I didn't make it, I was probably not falling too far short. I err on the side of undercounting because I struggle to eat enough.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you normally eat that way or were you going extra hard to make the most of the cycle? I mean dude, whatever the reason, you’re bigger and stronger for doing zero harm to yourself longterm so that’s a win no matter how you slice it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No I normally have a very low appetite, so I have to consciously remind myself to eat and sometimes have to binge-eat when waking up/before sleeping. Was probably going around 2500 caloric surplus per week.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well there’s your answer, you big silly. Var crushes my appetite but that’s just me

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re so moronic and full of shit it’s unreal. Post body, let’s see what you think is comparable to the rock’s body on baby doses of steroids

        [...]
        I've done my research but I always want to check with actual people
        Do you see any danger on cruising 25mg/day anavar only ?

        Cruising? As in like taking it for years in end? Yeah your liver and lipids will be fricked up. Your testicles will stop producing testosterone and you’ll feel like shit for basically zero gains.

        I’ve been on TRT dosage for about a year and bumped it to 500mg a week for ten weeks to put in some mass before summer. Got up to 192 lbs from like 170, am 185 now on 125 test 25 anavar.

        The biggest advantage to taking steroids is that your diet doesn’t need to be absolutely perfect.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >censoring your top surgery scars
          nice try troon
          have a nice day

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you planning to stop or are you permanently stuck to at least your current dosage?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t plan on coming off but I use hcg twice a year to bring my balls back in case I do come off or am trying for a kid

            >censoring your top surgery scars
            nice try troon
            have a nice day

            Jelly brownoid

            >Roiding for that
            ISHYGDDT

            Roids aren’t literal magic

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think they sold you saline for that body. I literally have that naturally. Your form and program must be total shit to blast that much for those results.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Roiding for that
          ISHYGDDT

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I went from 165lb to 195lb in 3 weeks when I hopped on 200mg test. Ate big though and diet was perfect.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You’re a liar, that is impossible. I was force feeding myself 3.5-4K calories a day and lifting without rest days most of that ten weeks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That’s funny I only trained 3x per week at the gym and did light workouts at home. rest of time was spent eating eating eggs, ribeye and gonad basically. and no I’m not lying, although realistically it was a move from 167lb to 192lb. Perhaps I’m a hyper responder. Also a lot of noob gains so likely a bit of water weight, but the weight gain is real and I look dry. Very possible.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gomad *

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It didn't work for me so that's impossible

                I don’t care who you are and what you’re running, 200mg of test is like barely supraphysiological. Without ester weight that’s like 150mg of testosterone. If you DID put on 25lbs in 3 weeks it was 5lbs lean mass and 20lbs of fat. There’s a hard cap on how much muscle you can put on in a week especially on such a low dose.
                >maybe I’m a hyper responder
                No, more than likely you’re a liar. You don’t even really notice the effects of test until weeks 4-6 and that was a high cruise dose

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It didn't work for me so that's impossible

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you forgot the after picture

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How can you look so huge, while i am 210lbs and look like a schoolboy at 5'11? What is this genetic bs? What, my muscle are too dense?
          I literally shit you not even at my best i look like a muscles thin schoolboy. People are constantly amazed when i tell them I weight 210 and sometimes up to 220lbs (thats 100kilos for euros).

          What can i do to actually get aesthetics instead of weight

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Roid a year for this, or be natty for your first year (and do it right) for pic related

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I’m also 35. You are a manlet. Regardless, good job bro

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Roiding for THIS
          HAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there is no way the rock didn't take steroids. look at wrestlers in the 90s vs now. maven said he wouldn't rat on anyone else but he was taking steroids and he was a jobber. imagine the bigger guys

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't matter if he's a good responder and needs low doses or not, what matters is that he's undoubtedly enhanced and people eat up his lies.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this guy has been roiding and training for so long he probably has a gorillian more nuclei than a natty.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For average normie and seething incel on IST, roids = Mr. Olympia size, so anything less than is natty in their eyes.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unfortunately, yes. I had a conversation with some dudes FROM MY GYM who insisted The Rock wasn't taking steroids. I told them it's the most obvious thing in the world and their response was
    >yeah but do you KNOW he's taking them?
    I said.
    >no I don't KNOW he's taking them, the same way I don't KNOW the sun will rise tomorrow morning
    And they said
    >EXACTLY, you don't KNOW hes on steroids.
    Now I'm nervous about sun, bros. Does eternal darkness loom?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >normies believe this?
    Not only normies, this very board is full of morons who think actors are so fit because they have "own cooks and personal trainers" as if eating enough protein and going to the gym is some fricking magic that costs millions.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >oh man it was tough
    >i just ate chicken rice and broccoli every day

    even if it is true, why would they do this? with that amount of muscle they could probably just eat whatever and be fine as long as they're getting the calories in (inb4 no u need 300g+ protein per day)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because that’s what normies assume you have to do to look good. It’s the great filter, thehre clueless about steroids

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >normies believe this?
    They have no frame of reference to see how insane that is. They really think that muscle building potential is infinite if you work really hard.

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