Go Muscles Get Less Efficient With Size?

Obviously, neural drive is a major component to strength. This is why strength training is distinct from hypertrophy training. However, I've heard, and I've noticed from various videos and records, that there is a point at which you need noticeably more muscle to add the same amount of strength. What are the reasons for this? One idea I have is that as the muscles get bigger, when they contract, a lot of energy is wasted in pushing nearby muscle fibers away from each other, with the muscle fibers on the edges getting stretched out quite a bit, resulting in additional resistance.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Square cube law
    Leverages
    If muscles could overlap in a non-euclidean fashion on a manlet, then the diminishing returns would be less. But often you need to be taller to have bigger muscles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb that down plz

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The square cube law states that when you increase the size of a 3 dimensional object, it's area goes up by a factor of 2, but it's volume goes up by 3, in biology this means things can only get so big without becoming inefficient
        So yes bigger muscles are not as effective, but it's pretty much impossible for them to get that big regardless

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think that was in regards to tissue perfusion and surface area etc.
          Providing muscle has adequate blood supply then to a point it can be bigger and be more efficient

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think that was in regards to tissue perfusion and surface area etc.
          Providing muscle has adequate blood supply then to a point it can be bigger and be more efficient

          Muscle can really only increase in cross-sectional area and not length, so the volume will increase linearly with increase in cross-sectional area. This does nothing to explain why people who can lift more weight, say, people who can deadlift 900 pounds, look like they're twice as large as people who can deadlift 700 pounds.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Weight on a bar is not the same as force applied on leverages.
            Imagine doing a nazi salute. 10lbs on your hand is going to be way more tiring than 10lbs on your bicep or shoulder. Force, not weight.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought muscle fibers occupied the volume of the muscle too, not just the outside surface

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Heart muscles sure do, no refunds roidtrannies kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      With steroid usage, the heart muscles get bigger, but they don't get stronger. This is due to a lack of neural drive. This results in less internal volume for the heart, and the heart becoming less efficient. I don't know if this has ever been tried scientifically, but I imagine a lot of the issues with steroid usage and heart problems could be mitigated by regularly doing heavy cardio like HIIT and jogging for a few miles each week. Natural athletes have larger hearts and much lower resting heart rates due to their hearts being able to pump blood more efficiently, and this is because their hearts have a better neural drive.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but roids will cause the heart to get way too big regardless of your activity level because it's always beating and you didn't increase it's size naturally
        So tissues grow faster and start to atrophy within the heart, causing heart failure

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >and you didn't increase it's size naturally
          I'm pretty sure it's because of a lack of neural drive for the additional size, but I don't think there have been very many studies done on this, anyway. If I ever start roiding, I'm going to be doing moderate cycles, and I'm going to be trying to get my testicles back to normal function after each cycle, but I will make sure to implement some HIIT.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl F oxygen
    >0

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's mostly that being ripped to the bone makes you weak. That's the "bodybuilders are weak" meme. When they're off season they rep 4pl8 bench. Also, powerlifters universally have beneficial leverages that make those lifts easy for them and they will fight tooth and nail claiming short arms doesn't make a bench press easier or short femurs ect ect ect. It's basic physics and the fat morons deny it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The other thing is that hypertrophy can be expressed as potential strength, a bigger muscle will almost always have the potential to be stronger. Pro strongmen who don't have to meet weight classes will generally spend most of their time in the gym in higher volume ranges building muscular size and then build the neurological side as part of an acute peak towards competition.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >always
        No, most bodybuilders would be limited by weak tendons and start tearing their muscles off the bone.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, powerlifters universally have beneficial leverages that make those lifts easy for them and they will fight tooth and nail claiming short arms doesn't make a bench press easier or short femurs ect ect ect. It's basic physics and the fat morons deny it.
      No one says this. This board still can't go 5 minutes without seething about powerlifters for no reason.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That’s not what happens. As you get closer your genetic limits you have to manipulate more variables to keep going. That’s why you can go from a 45 lb squat to a 315 lb squat, a 700% increase, in 6 months. Strength is 0%, neural adaptation is 0%, technique is 0%.

    Once you max technique and neural adaptation, all you can do is gain body weight on improve strength. Hence guys gaining 100 lb to add 20 lb to a world record.

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