Hair regrowth.

I'm 25 turning 26 soon and my hair is thinning like a mother fricker. Started since 22. Started actually giving a shit about since spring of 2023. I've tried modoxonil and the hims finasterside and modoxonil spray and got some results but it was small and I stopped using after 6 months cause it got expensive. I still use modoxonil spray and rosemary shampoo. I shave my head every 3 days cause it gets really noticable after the 4th day. I also wear a skull cap for work cause I'm work in a hospital. Besides micro needles and pro what are other ways to regrow hair? Should I not wear hats anymore? Should I shave less?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's over

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >modoxonil

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >rosemary shampoo
    Doesn't work

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The one thing left to try is nuking all your DHT with dutasteride. But the life-long consequences of this are unknown (and it's unlikely to work forever anyway) and it seems like you're already embracing the bald pill. See here for a paper that discusses how DHT reduction may frick your shit up: https://europepmc.org/article/med/32202088
    If I were you, I would accept my fate and stop worrying about it and just shave my head.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it worked
      >stopped doing it and switched to rosmary cope
      I dunno maybe stick to the methods with actual research behind them that you were using? the only thing beside fin and min that works are research chemicals, like RU588541, but they're even more expensive. get an actual prescription, finasteride is generic and costs a few bucks per month, because the patent expired a long time ago

      >But the life-long consequences of this are unknown (and it's unlikely to work forever anyway)
      lel there are literal decades of human research and use and the only conclusion is that DHT is useless and even harmful after puberty and it's a good idea to reduce it even in people not predisposed to balding
      >https://europepmc.org/article/med/32202088
      another rodent bullshit full of inconsistencies and outright false info, cherrypicked to push the agenda. the authors can't even differentiate between 5α and 5β reductase lmao:
      >Insulin-regulated metabolites levels changed significantly in response to finasteride or dutasteride treatments. These findings suggest that 5α-R types 1 and 2 deficiencies or their pharmacological inhibition by finasteride or dutasteride contribute to IR and hepatic steatosis. In a population-based study, men with fatty livers had reduced relative excretion of 5α-reduced cortisol metabolites, resulting in liver fat accumulation [25]
      >25. Westerbacka J, Yki-Järvinen H, Vehkavaara S, Häkkinen AM, Andrew R, Wake DJ, et al. Body fat distribution and cortisol metabolism in healthy men: enhanced 5beta-reductase and lower cortisol/cortisone metabolite ratios in men with fatty liver. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003;88:4924–4931
      the cited article even outright states that 5α reductase activity was correlated with liver fat
      >were strongly positively associated with liver fat content (r = 0.53, P < 0.01 and r = 0.58, P < 0.01, respectively), but the quotient reflecting 5α-reductase activity was not correlated with liver fat (r = —0.04)
      my fricking sides

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >was correlated
        *was not correlated

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’m not disagreeing with you and anti fin guys seems to be a bit hypochondriacish to me but why do people experience sexual side effects when they tank their dht if it’s completely useless after puberty

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it has nothing to do with DHT itself, otherwise dutasteride, which completely nukes DHT, would have a higher incidence of side effects than finasteride, which reduces it by about 40%, while they're about the same. 90% of people experiencing sexual sides are mentally ill redditors, but the few legit cases are most likely related to increased testosterone, and its aromatization, due to it not being converted to DHT, and being very susceptible to any hormonal changes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            inject DHT and tell me how you feel
            bodybuilders that do this report intense behavioural changes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            1mg fin reduces dht by up to 60%. Get your numbers right. Also there's no scientific basis for claiming 100% vs 60% nukage would correlate in any way with incidence rate of ED or other sides.
            Also before you ape out I also take fin (at half dosage).

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Also there's no scientific basis for claiming 100% vs 60% nukage would correlate in any way with incidence rate of ED or other sides.
              no shit, because it isn't correlated at all, with near total reduction with dutasteride and the incidence of side effects at few percent. now try that with testosterone, the hormone that's actually responsible sex drive and libido, and nuke it completely, like dut does DHT, or even by half, like fin. the sexual sides would be close to 100%

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is fairly correlated. My point is there is no data on whether using 0.25mg vs 1.5mg fin changes the rate of sides. It might very well be that fricking with DHT at any level automatically puts you at that 5% risk of breaking your dick, even at microdose levels.
                Sort of like how doing even the smallest amount of TRT completely shuts down your natural test production, regardless of the dosage.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It is fairly correlated
                it isn't
                >It might very well be that fricking with DHT at any level automatically puts you at that 5% risk of breaking your dick, even at microdose levels.
                >Sort of like how doing even the smallest amount of TRT completely shuts down your natural test production, regardless of the dosage.
                completely different things, with the hpta shutdown mechanisms being well understood and reliably occuring when induced and the other hypothesis having literally nothing to stand on. if you block something that influences libido, either directly, or by feedback loop, it won't by just 2% or so of adverse effects, which are just that, people having a random unusual reaction to a medication, which exist for every single drug. DHT isn't even an endocrine hormone active systemically.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1mg fin reduces dht by up to 60%. Get your numbers right. Also there's no scientific basis for claiming 100% vs 60% nukage would correlate in any way with incidence rate of ED or other sides.
                Also before you ape out I also take fin (at half dosage).

                morons, of course more DHT inhibition leads to more sides
                first DHT inhibition = worse sperm markers, but lets say you don't acre about that
                the ~60% DHT inhibition of 1mg is associated with 15% increase in both T and Estradiol because less T is converted to DHT
                80%-90% inhibition through dut will increase T and Estradiol by 18-22%

                ofc increasing hormone levels doesn't mean you'll get ED, but it increases the chances of it pushing you out of the reference range

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sauce on the pic? No way fin drops your sperm concentration to 0 like that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's a case report
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028210029250
                on avg the reduction of sperm parameters is 10 to 25%
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17299062/

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is it possible for fin to affect sperm consistency?
                I started getting globule chunks in my jizz like 2-3 months after hopping on fin. Dick works completely fine and I'm still cumming buckets, only problems are these gel globs in my semen.

                Pic rel is someone on reddit with similar case, he didn't mention taking fin though.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's always n=1, some bullshit rodent study, or outright false statements, because the authors are illiterate, like in

                >it worked
                >stopped doing it and switched to rosmary cope
                I dunno maybe stick to the methods with actual research behind them that you were using? the only thing beside fin and min that works are research chemicals, like RU588541, but they're even more expensive. get an actual prescription, finasteride is generic and costs a few bucks per month, because the patent expired a long time ago

                >But the life-long consequences of this are unknown (and it's unlikely to work forever anyway)
                lel there are literal decades of human research and use and the only conclusion is that DHT is useless and even harmful after puberty and it's a good idea to reduce it even in people not predisposed to balding
                >https://europepmc.org/article/med/32202088
                another rodent bullshit full of inconsistencies and outright false info, cherrypicked to push the agenda. the authors can't even differentiate between 5α and 5β reductase lmao:
                >Insulin-regulated metabolites levels changed significantly in response to finasteride or dutasteride treatments. These findings suggest that 5α-R types 1 and 2 deficiencies or their pharmacological inhibition by finasteride or dutasteride contribute to IR and hepatic steatosis. In a population-based study, men with fatty livers had reduced relative excretion of 5α-reduced cortisol metabolites, resulting in liver fat accumulation [25]
                >25. Westerbacka J, Yki-Järvinen H, Vehkavaara S, Häkkinen AM, Andrew R, Wake DJ, et al. Body fat distribution and cortisol metabolism in healthy men: enhanced 5beta-reductase and lower cortisol/cortisone metabolite ratios in men with fatty liver. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003;88:4924–4931
                the cited article even outright states that 5α reductase activity was correlated with liver fat
                >were strongly positively associated with liver fat content (r = 0.53, P < 0.01 and r = 0.58, P < 0.01, respectively), but the quotient reflecting 5α-reductase activity was not correlated with liver fat (r = —0.04)
                my fricking sides

                while there are decades of human research and meta-analyses

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you choose to ignore everything that doesn't fit your narrative
                right under the case report link is a 1 year study showing it affects the sperm parameters of every fin / dut user
                here's another one https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282%2813%2902786-6/fulltext

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have you even read it? it studies several people already already suffering from fertility problems, in a fertility clinic and even cites studies stating that finasteride had no effect on sperm parameters in fertile men. watery sperm or decreased sperm count is a well known adverse reaction to finasteride, though it often goes away with prolonged use, so this article doesn't discover anything new and is basically a case study too and doesn't apply to vast majority of finasteride users, contrary to what you tried to suggest when posting that graph. the article also highlights the fact that, as every finasteride side effect, it goes away with discontinued use.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                many doctors recommend you stop taking fin when trying to conceive

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there are literal decades of human research and use and the only conclusion is that DHT is useless and even harmful after puberty and it's a good idea to reduce it even in people not predisposed to balding
        yes bro aggression, confidence and libido are not needed for life

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          which have nothing to do with a paracrine hormone that's active locally in tissues where it is produced. wait till you discover that males have something called testosterone, which is the hormone responsible for aggression, confidence and libido

          inject DHT and tell me how you feel
          bodybuilders that do this report intense behavioural changes

          >injecting exogenous androgens causes intense behavioural changes
          no shit, just like every other androgen, but DHT-derivative steroids have nothing to do with how DHT functions as produced in the human body. it isn't even active in the muscles

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you clearly don't understand endocrinology

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >someone who doesn't know the difference between DHT and testosterone or thinks that its derivatives are the same thing as DHT produced in the body tries to talk about not understanding endocrinology
              the irony

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you have health insurance? You may be able to get fin cheaper that way. But if you can't afford the meds needed to stop your balding you're going to go bald I'm afraid to say. Hat wearing and shaving are not going to change the DHT sensitivity of your hair follicles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I do 1199. It's actually pretty good.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So I can wear hats and it and shave my head and it won't effect my hair growth?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're black, only white men have to keep their hair.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Take fin asap
    You only see the receding hairline but you are in fact losing ground all over the top of the head

    If you let it run for a while the thinning will be so advanced that there will be only hat or hazors

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I stopped using after 6 months

    Regaining grounds takes a long time OP. This shit takes at least a year to get good results. Yes, there are hyper responders who gained massive ground within 6 months.

    The truth is OP, you may have to take the heavy duty shit. Your balding is indicative of horse shoe pattern baldness. Which tends to be the most aggressive form of balding.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can Nutrafol really kill you?!?!

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The primary reason for early onset hair loss with no obvious genetic predisposition (especially diffuse thinning) is mostly a micronutrient (and therefore also a hormonal) issue. I went down a rabbit hole on the specifics of it a few months ago and found some great stuff but like a moron didn't save any of it as I was at work. I've taken finasteride and minoxidil. Fin probably stopped my hair from getting any worse at that time, but I never saw any kind of regrowth from minoxidil. That rabbit hole I mentioned included some guy cataloguing several of his patients over a 2 year period who had receding hairlines and massive thinning even at ages as low as 18 and fixing their diet COMPLETELY and including proper supplementation for stuff you can't eat brought them back to baseline usually within 18 months. I really need to track that dude down again.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you happen to remember the micronutrients that were that main culprits? Pretty sure I have some deficiencies myself but don't know where to even start with supplements.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >balding before 50

    C'est fini sans ironie, mon ami.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rosemary oil and Microneedling

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not losing hair or anything, but I'm afraid I will. Is it okay if I take finasteride 1mg just for prevention? I'm 27

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you just want to take it as a prophylaxis, get a 60ml bottle of rogaine, then crush up 6 x 1 mg tablets of finasteride and put it into the rogaine bottle. This creates a 0.01% solution which low enough that it won't absorb much into your body. Then just apply it to the edge of your hairline once a day. This will lower DHT locally in the scalp area you apply it to while minimizing lowering DHT in the rest of your body. And the rogaine will also stimulate growth and healthy bloodflow to the area.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      better to start doing chemotherapy, in case you have undetected cancer

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you don't need minoxidil. Just get generic finasteride and stay on that. Ask for 5 mg and cut it into 1/4 tablets. It will be very cheap to do that.It should regrow it by itself.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does masterbation have anything to do with hair loss

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Botox injections have been shown to produce good effects in some people. Laser therapy can also help, but it's a very particular wavelength apparently that you don't get in the available caps on the market.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    moron. Dont use those services that jack up prices. Go on Amazon clinic. Send your hairline pics to the doctor they assign. Get a prescription sent to your pharmacy. I get 90x 1mg fin pills for $18. Thats not expensive.

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