Has anyone else come to the conclusion that lifting is 90% genetics and natural test levels?

Has anyone else come to the conclusion that lifting is 90% genetics and natural test levels?

Not saying you shouldn't lift with bad genetics but I don't think you're ever going to look incredible unless you roid.

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well yes and no

    It is all about genetics but 99% of people would look better if they lifted or did cardio or whatever. Yes some people are blessed to look like greek gods within a few years but that doesn't mean those that aren't so lucky doesn't look better than when they started, just keep going and keep building that physique

    WGMI

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    No,your body will adapt solely duo to muscle tears too if you work hard enough, just that most people dont.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you work hard enough, just that most people dont.
      Getting sick of the genetics cop out.
      Every bro reading this can look fucking great by being lean with decent muscle. That's all you need to be 80th percentile +.

      Over years you can get to 90th percentile +, especially if you add style (think jeans, fitted v neck, leather jacket, bracelet, etc.).

      You can get panties wet without perfect genetics. Do Fucking work.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cop out
        Yeah bro when things are unfair just smile and open wide and eat the shit being shat directly into your mouth bro :*~~))

        Funny how it's always the people at the top of the foodchain telling everyone else to just put up with it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          this poster is having an incel moment kek

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Has anyone else come to the conclusion that lifting is 90% genetics and natural test levels?

    Yeah, people who have been lifting for 2 years on a brosplit made for roiders.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      90% of natty elite bodybuilders do brosplits

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >brosplits
        what do their brosplits actually look like? I've always wanted to try one but the whole dialog seems to be poisoned by calling them "brosplits" and I've never seen the same example twice.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          max-OT is pretty much a brosplit but with lower volume

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        lol you're fucking retarded if you think people who are at their natty peak did it on a bro-split. Lmao, even.

        Frequency matters. Quality volume matters. How much stimulus you think you're getting out of doing a weeks worth of sets in one day? Talk to anyone that has been lifting for a decade plus and have the results to show for it what their split is, and most will tell you its' a lot more free-form than "hurrdurr just do brosplits, bro", and is more often than not a modified upper/lower split or even circles around to being full-body again, just modified to hit muscle groups that have recovered.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely not. I actually think genetics make almost zero difference other than the obvious like muscle insertions.

    If you take two randomly selected individuals with same stats and put then live identical life im 100% convinced after 5 years of exact same training their stats and physique is almost indistinguishable other than again, muscle insertions. If your chest looks the way it does it will look it even if u roid. But in real world this is a non factor, only on olympia stage will it matter.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If your chest looks the way it does
      my chest doesn't look the way it does, what do i do?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        metaphysical cable flies x failure

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're delusional

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is utterly incorrect. Do you also think an 80 IQ and a 140 IQ person would be equally as good at chess after the same hours of practice?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        As long as they practice optimally at the same rate then yeah

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous
        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          But that's what IQ is, anon.

          IQ is (among other things) the speed that you think at. If time is fixed then the person who thinks faster will learn more. If knowledge is fixed then the person who thinks faster will learn it sooner.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The average person can add about 40 pounds of muscle to their frame over 6 or 7 years of dedicated training for hypertrophy. That's a pretty significant amount of muscle. Imagine being an average guy going from 140 pounds of lean body mass to 180 pounds. That means if they kept the same fat mass they could go from 190 pounds at 21% body fat to 230 pounds at 17% bodyfat. A 10 week cut would put them at 13.5% bodyfat at 220 and they'd look astounding. It's a night and day difference. Your genetics are responsible for how much you can put on your frame and how lean you can get but even an average person can look amazing if they put in the effort needed to build muscle maximally and they do their best not to get fat

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's genetics. Look up the paper on androgen receptors. Basically states if you don't have a bunch you're fucked. Most people are in the middle while Big Ron Coleman is the other end.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    test levels are just a small part of your genetics. roiding with bad insertions, proportions, etc will make you look objectively bad.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tiny tiny legs
    lol bodybuilders are mentally ill. you can tell the mental/emotional health of a man by the size of his legs. i don't care if you get angry at this post, it's true, sorry.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >T. Guy who's on his fourth round of starting strength

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Demoralization thread
    Fuck off burgstein.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally not demoralising, he's being realistic you manchild

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s demoralization, there’s no point in worrying about le genetic potential and accepting mediocrity means you’ll be mediocre

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >accepting mediocrity means you’ll be mediocre
          Refusing to accept your mediocrity won't make it go away anon. Nothing exceeds the sum of its parts.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn’t matter, you should try the best you can. Having an attitude that you’re always gonna be mediocre is a good way to keep yourself that way. Maybe you only get halfway there or have to work harder than some people but you’ll be better off than if you believed this demoralization bs

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lifting weights is about "looking good"
    Are you 14 years old?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is, nothing else matters

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is the mindset of a person who gets mogged by an old man in front of his girlfriend because he can't open a pickle jar or whatever. Pathetic.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          looking good depends on how your body is structured, how much bone and muscle you have and in what places and how little fat you have

          just about anyone can lift heavy weights at the gym but almost no one can look good

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are delusional and IST has rotted your brain. Stop worshipping Arnold Schwarzenegger.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              the jason blahas will always shit on bodybuilding because they are hideous and know deep within that they will never look good no matter how hard they try, so they cope with lifting "heavy"(still getting mogged to death by actually gifted lifters that would excel in bodybuilding if they wanted to lol)

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >almost no one will look good because of lifting
                >lol this group of people is mad because they know they'll never look good
                Your posts don't make any sense because you are delusional.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                you completely missed the point
                most people will never look good not because of hte way they train but because of their genetics

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't make any sense because you don't have coherent views of the world.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                nta but the opinions of a schizo incel doesn't matter

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real truth is that most men look like shit and barely have their life together. Become somewhat fit, lean with some noticible biceps chest and shoulders, have a decent job and know how to behave in social situtations, be able to hold a conversation and you already mog 98% of guys into oblivion

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    True, but the "perfect" look is only wanted by homosexual autists so who cares.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Has anyone else come to the conclusion that lifting is 90% genetics and natural test levels

    Yes. So optimize your natural test levels with the unexciting, time-tested and universally known methods. Prioritize sleep, eat clean and eat enough, spend as much time outside as you can, lift heavy, have sex, don't drain your dopamine, think masculine/control your stress, and pursue greatness.

    That's probably more opportunities to effect your test than the greatest men to walk the earth have had available. You definitely don't need roids or supps to get jacked and be the biggest fish in your tiny little pond.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You defo shouldn't be lifting with bad genetics. I got high on IST memes and lifted almost the entire year doing muh stickes and shit. Not a single pound of muscle. Not one, and I'm not being dramatic. It's pointless. Lift lift lift. Week after week, and absolutely no gain whatsoever. The worst part was the lies about "it getting easier to do, bro" In truth after months of failure lifting only made me get even more stressed than I usually am, knowing that I was about sink an hour and a half to achieve nothing.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gaining muscle as a beginner has nothing to do with genetics and you are stupid and wrong. You are also pathetic.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's no point in responding to me if you couldn't comprehend the basic premise of my post. You are illiterate. A scientifically illiterate nobody talking out of his ass and being completely dead wrong. Responding to me with more shit, even though I already made it quite clear that you're wrong, only shows how deep into dunning-krueger you are.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You sound like a neurotic fag with no dad. You're pathetic if you can't gain muscle for a YEAR and you're even more pathetic for trying to drag people down with you.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Gaining muscle as a beginner has nothing to do with genetics
        t. retard

        >I didn’t gain weight because of genetics
        You sound exactly like an obese person claiming to not be able to lose weight

        anyone eating 0 calories will lose weight (or die). not everyone can build a significant amount of muscle. natty T levels range from 100-1000 (500+ is healthy, but there are plenty of unhealthy people and not all of them are fat or whatever). someone at the bottom end won't build nearly as much muscle as someone at the top end. and there are way more factors that determine muscle and strength gain than just T.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >blah blah blah words words words
          If you gain 0 muscle in 365 days, you failed as an individual. Stop bringing others down with you, you pathetic failure.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stop posting you 4chinz cliché.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I didn’t gain weight because of genetics
      You sound exactly like an obese person claiming to not be able to lose weight

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's absolutely no shot you gained no muscle after lifting a year

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >genetics
    this is somewhat true
    if you want upper body strength
    you simply need to make sure you are lifting often enough (i use literally light weights)
    reach point of failure
    eat enough

    the eating is the hardest part

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the eating is the hardest part
      no it isn't

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Genetics mean more than natural test levels. If you're low normal test with high androgen receptor density you'll respond far better than someone high test with low receptor density.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well duh, genetics is why women can never be as big or strong as men

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why Cope?

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have come to the conclusion it's 75% effort and 25% recovery, food, genetics, etc.

    "Everbody wanna be a bodybuilder, but ain't anyone want to lift some heavy ass weight".

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the lowest high responder still gained more muscle than HALF of the low responder group
    Repeat after me: "this is all you are, and all you'll ever be."

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"b-b-but at least i'm high test?"
      Nope, test levels don't matter. High test doesn't correlate with lean body mass gains, only androgen receptor content does.

      This makes sense because having "gain muscle" signals won't matter if there's nothing around to hear them.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >High test doesn't correlate with lean body mass gains, only androgen receptor content does.

        In conclusion:

        >There is now substantial evidence to suggest that circulating systemic hormones measured at rest (McCall et al., 1999; Morton et al., 2016; Mobley et al., 2018) and/or post-exercise (Ahtiainen et al., 2003; West et al., 2010; West and Phillips, 2012; Mitchell et al., 2013; Morton et al., 2016) share no common variance and are thus neither related to nor predictive of RET-induced changes in muscle mass in healthy young participants.

        >Given there was no difference in circulating or intramuscular hormones between HIR and LOR, along with high androgen-androgen receptor binding affinity, it seems likely that both at rest and post-exercise existing androgen receptors would have been saturated in skeletal muscle. ... Androgen receptor content is the more important variable in RET-induced androgen-mediated skeletal muscle protein accretion in healthy men (Diver et al., 2003).

        You're test-maxxing for literally fucking nothing.

        Unless you can cut open your body and sew more androgen receptors into your muscles you're gonna be putting in twice the work for half the results for the rest of your life unless you got lucky with your genetics.

        And if your life turned out in a way that you ended up here, reading this, we already know that you didn't.

        >Androgen receptor content is the more important variable in RET-induced androgen-mediated skeletal muscle protein accretion in healthy men (Diver et al., 2003).

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dark grey is the high responder group, white is the low responder group.

    Enjoy working your ass off for less results than the laziest high responder.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    In conclusion:

    >There is now substantial evidence to suggest that circulating systemic hormones measured at rest (McCall et al., 1999; Morton et al., 2016; Mobley et al., 2018) and/or post-exercise (Ahtiainen et al., 2003; West et al., 2010; West and Phillips, 2012; Mitchell et al., 2013; Morton et al., 2016) share no common variance and are thus neither related to nor predictive of RET-induced changes in muscle mass in healthy young participants.

    >Given there was no difference in circulating or intramuscular hormones between HIR and LOR, along with high androgen-androgen receptor binding affinity, it seems likely that both at rest and post-exercise existing androgen receptors would have been saturated in skeletal muscle. ... Androgen receptor content is the more important variable in RET-induced androgen-mediated skeletal muscle protein accretion in healthy men (Diver et al., 2003).

    You're test-maxxing for literally fucking nothing.

    Unless you can cut open your body and sew more androgen receptors into your muscles you're gonna be putting in twice the work for half the results for the rest of your life unless you got lucky with your genetics.

    And if your life turned out in a way that you ended up here, reading this, we already know that you didn't.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And if your life turned out in a way that you ended up here, reading this, we already know that you didn't.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And if your life turned out in a way that you ended up here, reading this, we already know that you didn't

      this poster is having an incel moment kek

  23. 4 months ago
    Giddy

    >but I don't think you're ever going to look incredible unless you roid.
    not everyone one lifts to look incredible

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lifting is 90% genetics
    Yes.
    >and natural test levels?
    Lol no.
    How you respond to gear is way more important. People think that gear will turn them into Arnold or Ronnie. When in reality they're in like the top quarter of a percent of responders.
    Pretty much everyone in the industry is on something. The really big guys are just the ones that respond well, and have a high resistance to side effects. The guy is the claim that he are almost all liars. They just don't respond as well as the other guys.

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I guess that means gym bros are all genetically superior to you.

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