yes, but it's mostly a cope unless you have a near deformity like picrel, it's also an incredibly fragile thing, mms are meters on the face, one mistake and you're bogged forever. i've seen some harrowing results on the old psl and looksmax forums that put me off for good
yes, but these are well-known and mostly result from an accumulation of surgeries. but I've seen people fucking themselves up with only an implant or a bimax or rhyno. normie stuff. I dunno man, that power into the hands of someone else frightens me to be honest
>on the old psl and looksmax forums
those guys have absolutely no sense of reality though, their judgement is clouded by all their wacky theories about looks, so they're a bad frame of reference
some of them, it's a mixed bag. you can find some crazy stuff on there, but a lot of their theory is sound and actually kickstarted the blackpill movement that's now nearly mainstream. even a simple rhino or bimax can fuck you up. but I understand taking the risk
Yes, got a sliding genioplasty and considering a chin wing osteotomy. Good results so far.
Also considering electronic hair removal on nose, upper face, upper cheeks, chin, and back to reduce oily skin, acne, and simply shaving.
If I could go back in time and give 9 year old me a 5 year supply of sugar free gum I wouldn't need these surgeries, but oh well.
Just don't get implants if you're doing bone stuff and you'll be okay. I got my bones cut because I want permanent changes that can't be taken away from me.
Never because I grew up with the impression that most plastic surgeries get completely botched because that's what would make it on entertainment tonight or whatever the fuck tabloid television news show my mom was watching in the mid 2000s
Yeah I want to get my nose fixed because it's crooked and large and hooked (i'm not gnomish just ugly) and people have made fun of it since I was a child and I also can't breath out of it properly. I also want to get invisalign since my teeth are crooked because my parents didn't care enough to get me braces when I was a kid and my crooked teeth gave me a crossbite so now my face is slanted. I also have had gynecomastia (not even for a normal reason, it just randomly formed when I was going through puberty) and would like to get that fixed too. Why did I have to be cursed with such a disgusting appearance? Maybe that's why I spend all my time making people angry on the internet.
I’ve thought about it. My nose is similar to Adrien Brody’s but my main flaw is my weak chin. If the surgery for the jaw was less hard (both procedure and post-op) I would do it and leave the nose as it is. The character of the face is given by the maxilla, everything else is secondary.
here jaw is recessed, and her gonial angle is not pronounced. they bring all that stuff fowards. this is top top tier result tho, not really representative of the mean
as a lookismgay i can tell you they probably gave her a chin implant to make it more pronounced, giving her a better jawline and reducing the amount of fat under her chin because its being pulled forward. if you want to look good honestly a lot of it is in the jawline. dont chew hard food or some retarded shit like that, it will just increase the size of your masseters and make you look like a box headed retard. you ideally want your face to be V shaped, almost like an anime character or some such.
true, he also has a very defined and slim chin, as well as high cheekbones, giving him hollow cheeks and he cuts and a handsome V shape to his face in general. truly blessed genetics
girl on the left is hotter. so many plastic surgery before/after pics, OP pic included, are stark examples of how people are too retarded and tasteless to do well with the bodies they were given
girl on the right looks like the most boring person we all went to highscool with.
girl on the left looks like nonstop 247 rbf gfd wife
>literally have the same profile as one of the greatest kings in history. The dude that literally created the first empire. >trade it out to become fuckboy
https://pocketdentistry.com/23-short-face-growth-patterns-maxillomandibular-deficiency/
tldr a lot of shit
If you are unlucky enough to have this congrats you are basically subhuman. Lefort 1+ clockwise rotation of maxilla+ genioplasty
Go make an appointment with a maxillofacial surgeon (or several) and ask them
I had a giant nose in high school and got bullied for it and thought maybe surgery would make it better but now at 25 my nose isn’t really too big since the rest of my head finally kept growing and everything looks pretty proportional now. I think plastic surgery should be reserved for when you have a facial feature that is actually comically bad like a chin that juts out three inches. It’s sad to see someone who looks perfectly normal get their whole face redone.
yes, because the human eyes is incredibly adapt at detecting slight deviations from what is standard. I mean women can actually judge your facial attractiveness in less than a second. a lot of results are weird even in pictures ( where they select the top best results) imagine how it looks in real life. it's just incredibly sketchy
I had my maxilla extended and my lower jaw retracted slightly to correct an underbite.
I breathe better, I look better, people treat me nicer, I can bite into a slice of pizza without it awkwardly sliding out half detached.
The difference was so subtle but absolutely made everything about my life better.
Was supposed to be a gif. Here's a YouTube video instead.
Originally, the doctor only wanted to do the lower jaw, but I realised that could literally turn me into a jawlet, so I drove down a week before the surgery and asked to do the upper jaw as well.
[...]
Bruh….., being myself a jawlet this is so scaring I just will grown a beard. Post-op must hurt as hell. Fuck no.
wtf they literally cut your jaw off
The last video I sent was a bad one.
It's called orthognathic surgery. It honestly wasn't that bad. They wire you up good and go in through the inside of the mouth so you don't have any scars. It was a while ago but I think I spent about two weeks at home and it took a few more months for the swelling to completely subside, but when it did it was completely worth it.
I was never really in any pain throughout the procedure. Lots of aching though and I was finding loose stitches in my gums for up to a year afterwards. Best part is I only pay 2k because it was covered by insurance.
Was supposed to be a gif. Here's a YouTube video instead.
Originally, the doctor only wanted to do the lower jaw, but I realised that could literally turn me into a jawlet, so I drove down a week before the surgery and asked to do the upper jaw as well.
The doctor completely agreed which surprised me.
Bruh….., being myself a jawlet this is so scaring I just will grown a beard. Post-op must hurt as hell. Fuck no.
Someone post the before and after of the South Korean a woman who had a 9/10 with a nice jawline and got its all sawed down to look like a 6/10. It’s makes me sad to see.
Double jaw surgery and chin implant. Potentially MSE depending on how your teeth look. I've got a better chin but worse jaw than you, have wanted all three operations done for a while but they are fucking expensive. My advice would be to do MSE first (if needed) then DJS then the implant. It'll help with breathing too.
But what happens when you have ugly-ass kids and your s.o. is like, wtf? and you have to explain that you got plastic surgery but still have ugly genes?
honestly yeah. I'm kinda chinlet with a weird face shape. It's like, wide cheekbones and a short face but it's not one of those cute little heart-shaped faces with a narrow, feminine jaw. I'd kill for that but I'm also waiting to see if i change my mind in a couple years or so
Do not get plastic surgery you fucking retard. You don't need plastic surgery to fix anything, you need fashion and style to exploit what you have which is actually very workable.
I know there are things I could definitely get fixed and I know people would probably react differently to me, too. The thing is I'm in my mid thirties, I have already lived almost half of my life like this, why should I really bother changing anything now? I don't really give enough of a shit, like when I look in the mirror I can see my flaws but they don't bother me personally.
I used to consider it because my chins slightly weak however now i understand that the body is a reflection of my soul and my face is a reflection of life’s relentless hardship
yes, JAW surgery since mine is kinda receded, not worth the money tho maybe lipo so my 6.5 inch micropennis shows its true glory (since im a fat slob only 5 inch show )
Sort of. I wanted to get adult braces first to fix a mild overbite before I'd commit to any plastic surgery. Unfortunately, I was told that I would have to get jaw surgery to fix the overbite so it's apparently worse than I thought. The jaw surgery involves breaking my jaw and sliding it forwards into the correct position.
Now, I was already resigned to the fact I would have to wear braces for 2 years. I don't care if I'd have perfect teeth. But jaw surgery? I risk face paralysis, unable to speak properly, altered sensation in lower half of face including lower lip, permanent numbness in lower lip and other parts of face, tinnitus, migraines, infections etc. Not even mentioning how long and difficult the recovery would be.
The one thing I can say is that I'm physically completely healthy. I don't think I want to put that on the line but who knows, maybe years of loneliness in the future might change my mind if the alternative is suicide.
nobody cares you will be ugly and old anyways don't wast the time to think about how you can look better or younger just live your life and lift. Don't be fat and have a full head of hair and teeth that's literally all you need.
If your instinct is to reproduce then plastic surgery kind of makes sense in modern society, I think many people have this belief and perhaps its unconscious.
It is probably more prevalent with women than men though.
I was told aged 10 that I have an ugly nose and spent the next 20 years or so contemplating surgery on and off but these days (age 36) I don't care anymore. Learning to cope with things outside of your control is largely what life in the west is about.
nah, his zygos are fine. you can see them protruding on the right side. zygo surgery is crazy risky, you can look bogged if they mess up a fraction of a mm
what would you even change for his cheekbones
they are fine, they compliment his face and gonions
you are going to bog him with a cheekbone implant, he already has strong cheekbones
i can understand undereye fat grafts or filler, but ultimately it's a personal decision. i would not want to do surgery for such a minor difference and risk my own personal health and finances. your psl autism will bankrupt you
you can see them protruding from the side but they're completely flat. If he's actually lean then they should be visible on his face from the front
that not only requires high and prominent zygos but also extremely lean cheeks genetically. like 99% of men won't have no matter how lean they are. even most models don't have that look in normal conditions
exactly, so many revisions needed for good zygo results
extremely hard for even talented surgeons to predict how the soft tissue will react to the implant
yeah dog. how many psl autists fucked themselves up with zygo implants? on the old forums most people looked worse than before their surgery
are you talking about orbital vector? more anterior/forward projection of the cheekbones?
yes you bring up a good point however he looks fine the way he is. this is the equivalent of getting dimple surgery for aesthetics chasing. it's literally a small feature that you are obsessing over. except zygomatic surgeries are so much riskier than dimple surgery
we cannot view our body's as something that has to be maximized, god has created us perfect the way we are
what would you even change for his cheekbones
they are fine, they compliment his face and gonions
you are going to bog him with a cheekbone implant, he already has strong cheekbones
i can understand undereye fat grafts or filler, but ultimately it's a personal decision. i would not want to do surgery for such a minor difference and risk my own personal health and finances. your psl autism will bankrupt you
i dont even understand my flaws, so i wouldn't know what to change with plastic surgery.
Same
No, im not ugly.
yes, but it's mostly a cope unless you have a near deformity like picrel, it's also an incredibly fragile thing, mms are meters on the face, one mistake and you're bogged forever. i've seen some harrowing results on the old psl and looksmax forums that put me off for good
>i've seen some harrowing results
there are some bad ones
yes, but these are well-known and mostly result from an accumulation of surgeries. but I've seen people fucking themselves up with only an implant or a bimax or rhyno. normie stuff. I dunno man, that power into the hands of someone else frightens me to be honest
>on the old psl and looksmax forums
those guys have absolutely no sense of reality though, their judgement is clouded by all their wacky theories about looks, so they're a bad frame of reference
some of them, it's a mixed bag. you can find some crazy stuff on there, but a lot of their theory is sound and actually kickstarted the blackpill movement that's now nearly mainstream. even a simple rhino or bimax can fuck you up. but I understand taking the risk
She literally looked better in the before, despite her lack of smile.
>t. garden gnome lover
Yes, got a sliding genioplasty and considering a chin wing osteotomy. Good results so far.
Also considering electronic hair removal on nose, upper face, upper cheeks, chin, and back to reduce oily skin, acne, and simply shaving.
If I could go back in time and give 9 year old me a 5 year supply of sugar free gum I wouldn't need these surgeries, but oh well.
Just don't get implants if you're doing bone stuff and you'll be okay. I got my bones cut because I want permanent changes that can't be taken away from me.
I don't know if it counts as "plastic" surgery, but I want to fix my overbite purely for looks, so kinda
yes its plastic surgery. you mean
>"I don't know if it counts as "cosmetic" surgery"
but if its purely for looks then yes it's that too.
t.autist
Never because I grew up with the impression that most plastic surgeries get completely botched because that's what would make it on entertainment tonight or whatever the fuck tabloid television news show my mom was watching in the mid 2000s
Yeah I want to get my nose fixed because it's crooked and large and hooked (i'm not gnomish just ugly) and people have made fun of it since I was a child and I also can't breath out of it properly. I also want to get invisalign since my teeth are crooked because my parents didn't care enough to get me braces when I was a kid and my crooked teeth gave me a crossbite so now my face is slanted. I also have had gynecomastia (not even for a normal reason, it just randomly formed when I was going through puberty) and would like to get that fixed too. Why did I have to be cursed with such a disgusting appearance? Maybe that's why I spend all my time making people angry on the internet.
Are you the guy creating manlet-hate threads the whole time?
I believe in you anon.
i had a nose job 4 years ago, I highly recommend it.
>i had a nose job 4 years ago, I highly recommend it.
yeah because you want to double down on your foolery.
I had a nose job and I got braces. Life is completely different for me. Completely. Do it.
Wow, my best get! Looks, looks, looks. Found that out after I fixed my fucking face. :^)
I have a roman nose.
and people compliemented my for it
I'm not trans, bro
I’ve thought about it. My nose is similar to Adrien Brody’s but my main flaw is my weak chin. If the surgery for the jaw was less hard (both procedure and post-op) I would do it and leave the nose as it is. The character of the face is given by the maxilla, everything else is secondary.
invisalign for the bottom of my teeth, they’re a little crowded on the bottom left. Not really a big deal though, barely noticeable
how they manage the skin to look like nothing happened?
because they literally select the top 1% of results to put in their portfolio and possibly ps it a little as well
By making the cuts inside the mouth?
She looked fine before. Maybe her surgeon, being a legal doctor, should've suggested a therapist?
what are they doing to achieve these results? what do they do to the jaw that completely changes it like this?
here jaw is recessed, and her gonial angle is not pronounced. they bring all that stuff fowards. this is top top tier result tho, not really representative of the mean
as a lookismgay i can tell you they probably gave her a chin implant to make it more pronounced, giving her a better jawline and reducing the amount of fat under her chin because its being pulled forward. if you want to look good honestly a lot of it is in the jawline. dont chew hard food or some retarded shit like that, it will just increase the size of your masseters and make you look like a box headed retard. you ideally want your face to be V shaped, almost like an anime character or some such.
depends on the insertion of your masster muscle. look at brad pitt. the GOAT jaw, and he has very hypertrophied masseters
true, he also has a very defined and slim chin, as well as high cheekbones, giving him hollow cheeks and he cuts and a handsome V shape to his face in general. truly blessed genetics
Yeah, I have a droopy eyelid. But it's fucking expensive to fix, like $5k.
girl on the left is hotter. so many plastic surgery before/after pics, OP pic included, are stark examples of how people are too retarded and tasteless to do well with the bodies they were given
girl on the right looks like the most boring person we all went to highscool with.
girl on the left looks like nonstop 247 rbf gfd wife
a big nose is dimorphic on a man
what does tha tmean
>literally have the same profile as one of the greatest kings in history. The dude that literally created the first empire.
>trade it out to become fuckboy
I think I have short face syndrome. When I smile I need to put 110% effort or you can't see my gums. Like pic related on the left.
why would you want people to see your gums when you smile?
i don't fucking know, who the fuck thinks that grinning looks good
How is this surgery done?
https://pocketdentistry.com/23-short-face-growth-patterns-maxillomandibular-deficiency/
tldr a lot of shit
If you are unlucky enough to have this congrats you are basically subhuman. Lefort 1+ clockwise rotation of maxilla+ genioplasty
Go make an appointment with a maxillofacial surgeon (or several) and ask them
Bitchy receptionist to a cunty woman on public transportation
I had a giant nose in high school and got bullied for it and thought maybe surgery would make it better but now at 25 my nose isn’t really too big since the rest of my head finally kept growing and everything looks pretty proportional now. I think plastic surgery should be reserved for when you have a facial feature that is actually comically bad like a chin that juts out three inches. It’s sad to see someone who looks perfectly normal get their whole face redone.
yes, because the human eyes is incredibly adapt at detecting slight deviations from what is standard. I mean women can actually judge your facial attractiveness in less than a second. a lot of results are weird even in pictures ( where they select the top best results) imagine how it looks in real life. it's just incredibly sketchy
I had my maxilla extended and my lower jaw retracted slightly to correct an underbite.
I breathe better, I look better, people treat me nicer, I can bite into a slice of pizza without it awkwardly sliding out half detached.
The difference was so subtle but absolutely made everything about my life better.
how did they extend your maxilla?
Was supposed to be a gif. Here's a YouTube video instead.
Originally, the doctor only wanted to do the lower jaw, but I realised that could literally turn me into a jawlet, so I drove down a week before the surgery and asked to do the upper jaw as well.
The doctor completely agreed which surprised me.
wtf they literally cut your jaw off
name of the procedure. that looks utterly horrifying
The last video I sent was a bad one.
It's called orthognathic surgery. It honestly wasn't that bad. They wire you up good and go in through the inside of the mouth so you don't have any scars. It was a while ago but I think I spent about two weeks at home and it took a few more months for the swelling to completely subside, but when it did it was completely worth it.
I was never really in any pain throughout the procedure. Lots of aching though and I was finding loose stitches in my gums for up to a year afterwards. Best part is I only pay 2k because it was covered by insurance.
Bruh….., being myself a jawlet this is so scaring I just will grown a beard. Post-op must hurt as hell. Fuck no.
Someone post the before and after of the South Korean a woman who had a 9/10 with a nice jawline and got its all sawed down to look like a 6/10. It’s makes me sad to see.
>have acne scars on nose
>have weak jaw
it's over bros
how do i fix this
Nobody cares about the scar
You could do with a better chin though
Losing weight could almost fix the appearance of your jaw
The acne scar is minimal and thus irrelevant but I'd guess IST might know how to fix it
lol you call that a scar? your face is smooth as a baby’s ass. Lose weight fatty.
Double jaw surgery and chin implant. Potentially MSE depending on how your teeth look. I've got a better chin but worse jaw than you, have wanted all three operations done for a while but they are fucking expensive. My advice would be to do MSE first (if needed) then DJS then the implant. It'll help with breathing too.
Start by losing weight.
Lose weight. Mew and chewing exercises. You'll be fine
chin ups
I want a stronger chin
I have a large aquiline nose but I want to keep it, it would pair well with a strong chin
I want a ball sack reduction.
When I was a kid I jumped a wire fence and passed out
After that I woke up at the hospital a little different
But what happens when you have ugly-ass kids and your s.o. is like, wtf? and you have to explain that you got plastic surgery but still have ugly genes?
I love women.
Love from Kazakhstan.
Yes but then i realised i like my face despite all its flaws.
honestly yeah. I'm kinda chinlet with a weird face shape. It's like, wide cheekbones and a short face but it's not one of those cute little heart-shaped faces with a narrow, feminine jaw. I'd kill for that but I'm also waiting to see if i change my mind in a couple years or so
look like someone that would tear out the heart of a sacrifice and eat it on top of a pyramid
I mean, fair. My ancestors were tatted up headhunters.
you have no reading comprehension. I said I wanted a narrow jaw. Also,
>photoshop
kys
>heart shaped face
complete meme that nobody cares about
>narrow jaw and weird face shape
Takes like 5 minutes in photoshop to fix.
hey, whites only, pendejo
You look good, this is a chad asiatic face. Don’t compare yourself to white facial structure
Bro, you have absolutely no beard. How’s that even possible?
Do not get plastic surgery you fucking retard. You don't need plastic surgery to fix anything, you need fashion and style to exploit what you have which is actually very workable.
are you a boy or a girl
Why don't people lose weight before doing any surgeries?
lazy
Im getting a lip lift in april
Women love men with full lips that are proportional. My philtrum is like 22mm
>My philtrum is like 22mm
that's why you're unsuccessful with women! with an 18mm philtrum you'll be successful now!
have to just sit back and laugh at kids like you
thin lipped mongoloid looking person typed this
like you??? who is going to get fucking plastic surgery on your face like an obsessed woman??
ive been married for 10 years good luck with your facial plastic surgery that's surely why you're an incel
the ones like you will never learn that its your personality and upside or lack thereof
"this" being your post (because why else would you need a lip lift)?
Hes an even worse version or just a retard shitposting
tbh 22 is insanely big, normal is 15-18. if his upper lip is thin it should work out for better
no, my chin is yuge
I respect that he didn't pay to change his chin. Just proves that you don't need to stick plastic in your face to be attractive to women.
MMM
MONEY, MUSCLE, GAME
No.
I know there are things I could definitely get fixed and I know people would probably react differently to me, too. The thing is I'm in my mid thirties, I have already lived almost half of my life like this, why should I really bother changing anything now? I don't really give enough of a shit, like when I look in the mirror I can see my flaws but they don't bother me personally.
No.
I used to consider it because my chins slightly weak however now i understand that the body is a reflection of my soul and my face is a reflection of life’s relentless hardship
yes, JAW surgery since mine is kinda receded, not worth the money tho maybe lipo so my 6.5 inch micropennis shows its true glory (since im a fat slob only 5 inch show )
I'll probably do rhino cause I have deviated septum and I heard lots of doctors throw septoplasty in as a freebie
Is there a way to permanently lighten up your dark eyebags? I’d pay top dollar for it.
Eyebags need to be surgically removed
Dark eye circles need fat grafts under the eyes
Sort of. I wanted to get adult braces first to fix a mild overbite before I'd commit to any plastic surgery. Unfortunately, I was told that I would have to get jaw surgery to fix the overbite so it's apparently worse than I thought. The jaw surgery involves breaking my jaw and sliding it forwards into the correct position.
Now, I was already resigned to the fact I would have to wear braces for 2 years. I don't care if I'd have perfect teeth. But jaw surgery? I risk face paralysis, unable to speak properly, altered sensation in lower half of face including lower lip, permanent numbness in lower lip and other parts of face, tinnitus, migraines, infections etc. Not even mentioning how long and difficult the recovery would be.
The one thing I can say is that I'm physically completely healthy. I don't think I want to put that on the line but who knows, maybe years of loneliness in the future might change my mind if the alternative is suicide.
My jaw looks like pic 1
nobody cares you will be ugly and old anyways don't wast the time to think about how you can look better or younger just live your life and lift. Don't be fat and have a full head of hair and teeth that's literally all you need.
Who cares about lifting if you're going to wither away into old age and die anyway?
idiot.
If your instinct is to reproduce then plastic surgery kind of makes sense in modern society, I think many people have this belief and perhaps its unconscious.
It is probably more prevalent with women than men though.
Roast me IST
Okay. You posted this for woman reasons. You know what you're doing.
>You posted this for woman reasons
There are women here?
Yes, you. I'm calling you a woman
B-But Im a man!
I was told aged 10 that I have an ugly nose and spent the next 20 years or so contemplating surgery on and off but these days (age 36) I don't care anymore. Learning to cope with things outside of your control is largely what life in the west is about.
This guy just leanmaxxed yet people would be recommending tons of surgeries in the before pic.
He still needs surgery in the after. No zygos and needs fat transfer to under eyes
nah, his zygos are fine. you can see them protruding on the right side. zygo surgery is crazy risky, you can look bogged if they mess up a fraction of a mm
exactly, so many revisions needed for good zygo results
extremely hard for even talented surgeons to predict how the soft tissue will react to the implant
you can see them protruding from the side but they're completely flat. If he's actually lean then they should be visible on his face from the front
that not only requires high and prominent zygos but also extremely lean cheeks genetically. like 99% of men won't have no matter how lean they are. even most models don't have that look in normal conditions
yeah dog. how many psl autists fucked themselves up with zygo implants? on the old forums most people looked worse than before their surgery
are you talking about orbital vector? more anterior/forward projection of the cheekbones?
yes you bring up a good point however he looks fine the way he is. this is the equivalent of getting dimple surgery for aesthetics chasing. it's literally a small feature that you are obsessing over. except zygomatic surgeries are so much riskier than dimple surgery
we cannot view our body's as something that has to be maximized, god has created us perfect the way we are
what would you even change for his cheekbones
they are fine, they compliment his face and gonions
you are going to bog him with a cheekbone implant, he already has strong cheekbones
i can understand undereye fat grafts or filler, but ultimately it's a personal decision. i would not want to do surgery for such a minor difference and risk my own personal health and finances. your psl autism will bankrupt you
what are zygos? i think i know but idk
they are cheekbones my friend
ok thanks
I want to do a plastic surgery on my ears.
It fucked my psychological since I was a kid.
gene frauds disgusts me, no