Have you ever met ANYONE who does SS and looks good?

Have you ever met ANYONE who does SS and looks good?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would a beginner in their first few months of learning to lift look good retard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bump

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >first few months
      You can do SS for years. The point is that there are better programs, programs with nore volume, better frequency, that will make you actually look good.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can do SS contrary to its intended use. It doesn't work as well as alternatives in that case
        No shit you fucking ape moron

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can do SS for years.
          You CAN, but you're not supposed to. It's literally in the name. Or did you think STARTING Strength was just a clever marketing term?
          > that will make you actually look good
          You're not gonna look good the first few months no matter what you do. Stop trying to beat the system and skip out of your initiation, pay your dues and put in your time like everyone else.

          >STARTING strength
          >Does it for years
          >Wonders why they are still a beginner
          I can't

          >starting strength
          >do it for years
          go back

          You make it sound like a shit program only for le beginners that you got memed into doing and now regret it. If it's useless after 3 months, what do they switch to afterwards? Why could they not have started with that alternative instead and kept doing that for a year or more, instead of hopping to a whole other thing so soon and potentially stopping to lift because of it.
          >SS won't make you look good
          >Get used to it though
          >Ok you got used to it? Switch your routine completely
          >Eat more still gay, you need to become fat before u can build
          >you gotta look like shit for 2 years, then cut for one year before you even get close to looking good
          >GOMAD

          no wonder people would dislike this shit. Most people don't want to train like that. Look at your gymbros where you train, do you think they started with SS?

          >hurr durr who said u need 4 yrs to lok good >post bodeh
          >wanting it to be easy
          >lifting to look good
          >I mog everyone at my gym

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You do SS to increase strength linearly for as long as possible, then you switch to an intermediate routine that introduces basic periodization at the weekly level (e.g. Bill Starr / Madcow 5x5).

            You don't want to start on Madcow because you don't need periodization, you're a beginner and you can increase the weight on a workout to workout basis.

            You switch to an intermediate program when this becomes unsustainable and you stall.

            Weekly periodization is an introduction into more complicated programming. You now have a sense for how to manage volume and intensity, and when weekly periodization fails, as it will, you can move into an advanced program tailored to your specific goals.

            Trying to be a bodybuilder curling 30 lbs is pathetic, and the reason why 90% of this board fails.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not to mention there is literally zero benefit to massive "strength gains"

            no one in the world cares how much you bench or squat
            stop being ugly

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Who has a bigger chest, a guy with a 100 lb max bench press or a guy with a 300 lb max bench press?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people on this board actually think strength and size are mutually exclusive, genuine retards

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What rep scheme is each running and what are their heights?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which one has the bigger arch?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                k'e'k

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Look at your gymbros where you train, do you think they started with SS?
            I started with starting strength.

            >3 months
            You run it until linear periodization stops working. 6 months to a year is the recommendation.

            >Why could they not have started with that alternative instead
            They can. But they don't need to. Because beginners need skill acquisition primarily. This program is designed to teach people the basics, get them in the routine of going to the gym, and get them up to their baseline strength through LP. And it does that very well. Why male it complicated when you can keep it simple?

            >SS won't make you look good
            It will make you look better than not lifting. It's also starting STRENGTH, not starting to look good. Beginners aren't going to look good in their first 6 months of training no matter what they do, at least with SS they'll start getting strong enough to do hypertrophy work at a load that will be effective.

            >GOMAD
            Please don't tell me you think bulking is a meme. I've been on 1.5L of whole milk a day for 4 months. Getting fat is optional, eating a surplus is not.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/PHuAjCM.jpg

            I allowed myself to fall into the trap of the whole “eat big to get big” dogma, whilst doing a pathetically low volume of lifting such as that found in 3×5 programs, I do feel that others (especially very young guys who don’t know any lifters IRL) will continue to get suckered into GOMAD whilst doing routines that last no longer than 20-25 minutes and just make them hate what they see in the mirror.

            I know I did. I was fat, injured, still had skinny arms and didn’t lift again for years until more recent times.

            Not to mention, those routines just aren’t fun. They’re billed as “simple” but most of them have some elaborate deload process built in once you plateau that you’d never remember unless you did nothing but read that program day and night.

            I wouldn’t blame the likes of Mark Rippetoe for this trend (he has made numerous clarifications, and has never presented himself as other than a strength coach) but rather the army of dedicated SSers that present the program as the answer to all problems and denigrate anyone doing things differently with endless pejoratives and e-statting.

            They say:

            Wanna get jacked? Do SS. Wanna get aesthetic? Do SS. Wanna bodybuild? Do SS. Wanna become CEO of a Fortune 500 company? Do SS.

            Only on the internet does this madness exist! Only on the internet do people think that squatting and eating a 2000 calorie surplus a day will cut bodyfat, build and sculpt your bicep peak and give you boulder shoulders.

            I’ve never known or met anyone IRL who has looked well built and lean who built themselves up using a low volume, low rep, CNS wrecker of a routine.

            https://i.imgur.com/v64NrNl.jpg

            Everyday a beginner to the gym will ask what program he should do.
            People will usually respond with either Starting Strength or Stronglifts and order them to eat a lot. A few months will pass and the beginner have stalled and is confused with why he’s not gaining any muscle despite putting so much weight on the bar.
            They say he should stick with the program, read the book, get a lot of sleep and eat even more food and not to switch programs unless he’s reached “intermediate” lifts. The beginner sticks with it and runs it for 1 year, while making very little progress.

            Here is where the problem actually lays: Starting Strength and Stronglifts does not actually build muscle, but PEAKS it. In other words, It builds what is already there. Yes! Really!

            Both of these programs are based on Bill Starr’s 5×5 that was made for off-season football players that wanted to get their numbers back up in the weight room with as little work as possible. That is also the case as a beginner. With these programs you’re not actually getting stronger, just adapting to the training, becoming more efficient at moving the bar and getting the central nervous system to handle the work load.

            Starting strength has the best poster boy for their program, that lard ass zach evetts.
            That’s the result you get from GOMAD and following a fatass coach.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rippetoe’s poster boy Zach went from a weak fat ass to a strong fat ass, yet he still looked like shit.

              My biggest regret in training is following this garbage SS program when I started lifting.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good leg development though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I know it's a famous meme, but that doesn't look bad if you're on a bulk

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can do SS for years.
        You CAN, but you're not supposed to. It's literally in the name. Or did you think STARTING Strength was just a clever marketing term?
        > that will make you actually look good
        You're not gonna look good the first few months no matter what you do. Stop trying to beat the system and skip out of your initiation, pay your dues and put in your time like everyone else.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can do SS contrary to its intended use. It doesn't work as well as alternatives in that case
          No shit you fucking ape moron

          >You can do SS for years
          YNDTP if you run SS for more than 1 year
          possibly 2 years if you're starting at 18 and willing bulk to 230lb

          >starting strength
          >do it for years
          go back

          Rip classifies someone with a 495 deadlift as still being a novice and needing to spend more time on SS. Nobody can reach that in under a year.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly, and a complete noob after 6 months of SS is not intermediate. People will tell you to just eat more and it is easily achievable.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >People will tell you to just eat more and it is easily achievable.
              this the ridiculous part
              >yeah bro just eat more bro
              turn into a fucking BALLOON so you can deadlift 600 lbs
              people take this shit seriously

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                WEIGHT MOVES WEIGHT

                >Rip classifies someone with a 495 deadlift as still being a novice
                That's pretty fucking funny coming from a guy who needed a suit to lift more than that.

                In the eyes of Rip all are but mere novices, even Rip himself

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who cares what Rip says though?
            You fucking mushbrain zoomers do realize that you don't have to do something to the letter because some "authority" tells you you do...right...?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But thats exactly it, the entire mentality of SS is that Rip's word is law.
              That's exactly what makes it retarded. If you so much as add curls or rows then its already not SS anymore and SSfags will tell you to fuck off.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then that's a problem of SSfags and not SS itself. In the book Rip actually does say you can throw in some curls and other accessories.
                The larger issue here though is that even if "no curls" actually did come from Rip himself (which again...it actually doesn't), then you smooth-brained gays are still supposed to have common sense enough to keep the parts of the program that work for you and throw out the bits that don't. It's called having traces of independent thought.
                >b-but then you're not following the program!!
                Who gives a fuck?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Rip classifies someone with a 495 deadlift as still being a novice
            That's pretty fucking funny coming from a guy who needed a suit to lift more than that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            “If five months of novice progression took you from a 95-pound squat at a bodyweight of 140 to a 315 x 5 squat at a bodyweight of 200, the Texas Method will take you to 405 x 5 squat at a bodyweight of 225 in a year.” – Mark Rippetoe

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I reached 450 x 5 diddy and 420 x 5 squat in 7 months on SS at 175 lbs, 5'11" and I'm not even larping
            You guys are just GDEs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Or did you think STARTING Strength was just a clever marketing term?
          ending strength

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can do SS for years
        YNDTP if you run SS for more than 1 year
        possibly 2 years if you're starting at 18 and willing bulk to 230lb

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >STARTING strength
        >Does it for years
        >Wonders why they are still a beginner
        I can't

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >starting strength
        >do it for years
        go back

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        glenn and mark even recommend moving to a new routine when you are intermediate disingenuous or retarded moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why would a beginner be doing intermediate/advanced lifts like squats and deadlifts?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You could teach a monkey to squat and deadlift anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Basic movement patterns are intermediate/advanced lifts
        Stick to Zumba, dyel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why would a beginner in their first few months of learning to lift look good retard
      You don’t need to get strong to take up bodybuilding.
      Most skinny fat guys need volume to build muscle and burn fat. Strength building programs work very well for mesomorphs and endomorphs with thick joints.
      Ecto’s and skinny fat guys were not designed to lift heavy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You don’t need to get strong to take up bodybuilding.
        Who do you think has a bigger chest, the twink benching 135 for reps, or the dude benching 250 for reps? Who has a bigger back, the twink doing 20 pullups, or the dude deadlifting 405lbs for reps? It's common sense that stronger = bigger.

        Fact is, some base strength is required for hypertrophic-centered programs to work. Novices and untrained individuals won't benefit from high rep sets for muscle growth because light weights aren't enough stimulus to generate that response. That's not to say they don't work at all, only that pure novices can't benefit from them. Doing 225lbs for 3x10 is going to get you MUCH bigger than doing 135lbs for 3x10, but benching 315 for 5 will make you look big regardless.
        >unironically uses mesomorph/ectomorph terminology
        >Ecto’s and skinny fat guys were not designed to lift heavy.
        It's okay anon, once your squat is 315, you're going to look amazing. Let me know when you need help with form. We're all going to make it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Somatotypes
        OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A RETARD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I wasn't designed to be strong!! I was designed to be a fuck toy for a stronger man

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who the fuck cares, its good against depression

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've never met anyone who does SS.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, all of my normie friends made decent gains doing shitty brosplits. There was one guy in our group that tried to do SS and everyone made fun of him for it. I think he gave up after 2 months.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gives up after two months
        Holy shit no wonder he didn’t make any meaningful gains kek. Bet his form was shit too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all of my normie friends made decent gains doing shitty brosplits
        that was their pump after their shitty brosplit
        > There was one guy in our group that tried to do SS and everyone made fun of him for it. I think he gave up after 2 months.
        >2 months

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Being concerned with aesthetics is the reason most of this board fails.
          [...]
          >Who do you think has a bigger chest, the twink benching 135 for reps, or the dude benching 250 for reps? Who has a bigger back, the twink doing 20 pullups, or the dude deadlifting 405lbs for reps? It's common sense that stronger = bigger.

          >that was their pump after their shitty brosplit
          >Who do you think has a bigger chest, the twink benching 135 for reps, or the dude benching 250 for reps? Who has a bigger back, the twink doing 20 pullups, or the dude deadlifting 405lbs for reps? It's common sense that stronger = bigger.

          Dudes I get what you are saying and a good number of people will fully agree with you. Though I gotta say overtime I have been observing what the guys with the most gains do at the gym, and for the most part they never do big compounds. It's mostly cables and isos with some dumbbell work. This is consistent over long periods. The biggest juiced guys I have no idea what they do because it is always super specific, ultra volume things. 0 compounds.

          The biggest compound I have seen was a guy very close gripping 405 lbs for one with ease. You'd say he has a bigger chest, back etc. but he had a really different bear-like frame that looked deceitful compared to strength. He looked nothing like aesthetics bros, so it is trite to compare him to that.

          I see significantly more girls deadlifting consistently.

          Granted there is a powerlifting gym somewhere too, and things would be different if I went there. My point is that these people here have gains anyways.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The biggest juiced guys do no compounds
            Completely retarded. Actual bodybuilders will do stuff like that to bring lagging muscles up but the majority of them do barbell compounds. Have you ever watched pumping iron? Heard of fucking Ronnie Coleman? Watched literally any popular bodybuilders training footage on YouTube? SS is shit but you're just trying to justify not doing BB lifts with this fantasy bodybuilders don't train compound movements. You're probably just at a gym with a ton of DYEL's and you're confusing already jacked bodybuilders doing focussed work with them not training compounds at all

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes man of course I have thought about that and I've seen all that shit as well. I don't have Dorian Yates and Tom Platz level of people training at my gym.
              What I am telling you is not an objective statement that "THE BIGGEST PEOPLE DON'T DO COMPOUNDS", but this is indeed what they do in here. I have no idea if they have a home gym or gym hop, none of my fucking business or interest.

              You have no idea what I am justfiying because I enjoy BB lifts, bench, ohp, DL and squats. I just barely see anyone else doing this shit consistently.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Targets Audience are 40 to 50 year olds that have prior experience in the weight training, but generally People with lifting experience. That why it is called Starting Strength Basic Barbell Training. Basic as in not individual or for everyone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No* experience

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Big chase

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't doing rackpulls like the most anti SS you can possibly do?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, Rip endorses attempting to progress your deadlift through alternating below the knee rack pulls and halting deadlifts in PPST

        >too much squat volume; encourages unsustainable bulking and burnout
        >not enough variety; misses muscles such as side/rear delts entirely
        >5x5 is a bad rep scheme; should use evolving rep range

        >Too much squat volume
        Squat is the main driver of progress in NLP, though 5x5 really is too much long term and SL makes you switch to 3x5 anyway

        >Encourages unstable bulking
        Nobody but you is making you gain more than a lb a week

        >Not enough variety
        Novices don't need variety, they make plenty of gains just by doing the standard compounds

        >Misses side/rear delts entirely
        ????? Both SL and SS have ohp which hits both side and rear delts, SL has rows which hits upper back and rear delts, SS has chin ups which hits upper back and rear delts

        >5x5 is a bad rep scheme, should use evolving rep range
        Novices don't need to change shit at first. Admittedly Medhi knows very little about programming compared to Rip, but you can still make lots of gains with 5x5 or 3x5. Once again, novices are able to progress sessionly with minimal changes to their programming so evolving the rep range is dumb.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is what Chase Lindley looked like before SS. Was it worth it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wtf before ss he looked so much more aesthetic, now he's fat and bloat

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a related question, what you do you guys think of stronglifts? There are youtubers who shit all over the program

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are their criticisms?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >too much squat volume; encourages unsustainable bulking and burnout
        >not enough variety; misses muscles such as side/rear delts entirely
        >5x5 is a bad rep scheme; should use evolving rep range

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Too much squat volume
          No. Squats are the single best excercise for beginners because it stimulates test production and hgh production.
          >Encourages burnout
          It's a beginner program not a lifetime program. 6 months to a year. Then reevaluate and move the fuck on.
          >Not enough variety
          It's a beginner program it has to be so simple that even retards can learn it. Training complexity comes later.
          >Misses muscles
          Misses vanity muscles. Stronglifts is for a base in strength
          >5x5 is le BAD... Cause it just is!!
          Retard take. 5x5 is perfect for beginners because it's a good amount of volume and doesn't take a lot of time like 5x8-12, but it doesn't risk injury as much as a 5x3 scheme.
          >It should evolve
          No, it should be retardedly simple. No complexity should exist for a beginner program.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, anyone who looked good before they started it. But doing SS will make you look better than if you hadn't done SS. It's a novice linear progression, and should get you to the intermediate level between 3-9 months.

            No, Rip endorses attempting to progress your deadlift through alternating below the knee rack pulls and halting deadlifts in PPST

            [...]
            >Too much squat volume
            Squat is the main driver of progress in NLP, though 5x5 really is too much long term and SL makes you switch to 3x5 anyway

            >Encourages unstable bulking
            Nobody but you is making you gain more than a lb a week

            >Not enough variety
            Novices don't need variety, they make plenty of gains just by doing the standard compounds

            >Misses side/rear delts entirely
            ????? Both SL and SS have ohp which hits both side and rear delts, SL has rows which hits upper back and rear delts, SS has chin ups which hits upper back and rear delts

            >5x5 is a bad rep scheme, should use evolving rep range
            Novices don't need to change shit at first. Admittedly Medhi knows very little about programming compared to Rip, but you can still make lots of gains with 5x5 or 3x5. Once again, novices are able to progress sessionly with minimal changes to their programming so evolving the rep range is dumb.

            You do SS to increase strength linearly for as long as possible, then you switch to an intermediate routine that introduces basic periodization at the weekly level (e.g. Bill Starr / Madcow 5x5).

            You don't want to start on Madcow because you don't need periodization, you're a beginner and you can increase the weight on a workout to workout basis.

            You switch to an intermediate program when this becomes unsustainable and you stall.

            Weekly periodization is an introduction into more complicated programming. You now have a sense for how to manage volume and intensity, and when weekly periodization fails, as it will, you can move into an advanced program tailored to your specific goals.

            Trying to be a bodybuilder curling 30 lbs is pathetic, and the reason why 90% of this board fails.

            Based.

            https://i.imgur.com/PHuAjCM.jpg

            I allowed myself to fall into the trap of the whole “eat big to get big” dogma, whilst doing a pathetically low volume of lifting such as that found in 3×5 programs, I do feel that others (especially very young guys who don’t know any lifters IRL) will continue to get suckered into GOMAD whilst doing routines that last no longer than 20-25 minutes and just make them hate what they see in the mirror.

            I know I did. I was fat, injured, still had skinny arms and didn’t lift again for years until more recent times.

            Not to mention, those routines just aren’t fun. They’re billed as “simple” but most of them have some elaborate deload process built in once you plateau that you’d never remember unless you did nothing but read that program day and night.

            I wouldn’t blame the likes of Mark Rippetoe for this trend (he has made numerous clarifications, and has never presented himself as other than a strength coach) but rather the army of dedicated SSers that present the program as the answer to all problems and denigrate anyone doing things differently with endless pejoratives and e-statting.

            They say:

            Wanna get jacked? Do SS. Wanna get aesthetic? Do SS. Wanna bodybuild? Do SS. Wanna become CEO of a Fortune 500 company? Do SS.

            Only on the internet does this madness exist! Only on the internet do people think that squatting and eating a 2000 calorie surplus a day will cut bodyfat, build and sculpt your bicep peak and give you boulder shoulders.

            I’ve never known or met anyone IRL who has looked well built and lean who built themselves up using a low volume, low rep, CNS wrecker of a routine.

            >I know I did. I was fat, injured, still had skinny arms and didn’t lift again for years until more recent times.
            YDNDTP

            >Only on the internet does this madness exist!
            Literally exists only on IST.

            SS will get you strong and big. Then once you're in intermediate programming, you can do fuckall and whatever you want.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Starting Strength and Stronglifts does not actually build muscle
              YDNDTP
              >but PEAKS it.
              >It builds what is already there

              You're confusing exercise with training.

              >players that wanted to get their numbers back up in the weight room with as little work as possible.
              That's what happens after you complete a your LP. Muscle comes back fast. But you need to build it first.

              [...]
              >Rippetoe’s nutrition is ridiculous.
              >6000
              >300 gram protein
              >doesn't post source
              >a gallon of whole milk
              > for a 150 pound natty kid
              >doesn't post height
              >will only make him fat.

              You did not read the book. Nobody recommends GOMAD as a permanent solution nor does the program require bulking to an extreme degree.

              [RIPPETOE DRONE ONLINE]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I started out on StrongLifts. It's alright, but not brilliant by any stretch:
      >Designed to fail
      >Too much squatting
      >One set of deadlifts is completely useless
      It's not something anyone should do for more than three months.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Myself. No I will not post body. Also I am leaving this thread.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Starting Strength is like the For Dummies of weightlifting. It's for people who want the easiest possible routine that's easy to understand and expends the least effort possible. They are tired of getting destroyed and humiliated by programs that tell them they'll get ripped so they choose a modest programme. Starting Strength even tells people not to worry about not feeling they've done enough iirc, bruh if you walk away from the gym and haven't worked up a decent sweat and/or blood pulsing through you you did NOT get a good workout.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >because it stimulates test production and hgh production.

    Broscience

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      doi: 10.1519/JSC.0000000000000317
      Real science.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Starting Strength makes you strong, not “look good” retard. Doing a brosplit is retarded if you are weak.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I allowed myself to fall into the trap of the whole “eat big to get big” dogma, whilst doing a pathetically low volume of lifting such as that found in 3×5 programs, I do feel that others (especially very young guys who don’t know any lifters IRL) will continue to get suckered into GOMAD whilst doing routines that last no longer than 20-25 minutes and just make them hate what they see in the mirror.

    I know I did. I was fat, injured, still had skinny arms and didn’t lift again for years until more recent times.

    Not to mention, those routines just aren’t fun. They’re billed as “simple” but most of them have some elaborate deload process built in once you plateau that you’d never remember unless you did nothing but read that program day and night.

    I wouldn’t blame the likes of Mark Rippetoe for this trend (he has made numerous clarifications, and has never presented himself as other than a strength coach) but rather the army of dedicated SSers that present the program as the answer to all problems and denigrate anyone doing things differently with endless pejoratives and e-statting.

    They say:

    Wanna get jacked? Do SS. Wanna get aesthetic? Do SS. Wanna bodybuild? Do SS. Wanna become CEO of a Fortune 500 company? Do SS.

    Only on the internet does this madness exist! Only on the internet do people think that squatting and eating a 2000 calorie surplus a day will cut bodyfat, build and sculpt your bicep peak and give you boulder shoulders.

    I’ve never known or met anyone IRL who has looked well built and lean who built themselves up using a low volume, low rep, CNS wrecker of a routine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the people who do Starting Strength are recognizable immediately ie a big ass, wide hips, small arms, shoulders and minimum 30% bodyfat

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Groups on the internet, such as the SS forums, have probably left untold amounts of guys disappointed with how they've looked after 3-12 months.

      Meanwhile, the "bro" who goes to the gym and does curls, bench, shoulders and a few chin-ups and leg presses totally blows the SS "student" out of the water, getting bigger arms, shoulders, pecs and upper back without that much fat gain.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's because starting strength is shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn’t matter if that dude bro can’t squat for shit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          doesn't matter how much you lift if you still look like shit

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >150lb skelly
            “man i look so aesthetic!”

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nobody gives a fuck what you think, especially if you’re a fat bitch that doesn’t want to look good.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Groups on the internet
        >Probably
        >3-12 months
        >only mentions upperbody exercises
        You have never read the program nor do you understand it.
        >Meanwhile, the "bro" who goes to the gym and does curls, bench, shoulders and a few chin-ups and leg presses totally blows the SS "student" out of the water,
        The "bro" you're talking about is typically the underweight trainee who spends their first 1-2 years in the gym doing curls and machines without developing any real body mass. These are your average high-school seniors and college freshman type group. The reason is simple - they don't train with high enough intensity.

        Who's going to have the bigger chest, the twink curl benching with 40lb dumbbells, or the dude benching 225 for reps?

        Who's going to have a bigger back, the trainee who does 20 chinups with a 3 plate deadlift, or the trainee who does 18 chinups with a 4.5 plate deadlift?

        Who's going to have bigger legs, the dude using dumbbell squats for reps, or the dude who can squat 350lbs?

        Not to say that those accessories don't have any use, but the typical novice doesn't have enough strength to make use of them. If you're aim is hypertrophy, doing high reps at higher intensities is going to be far more effective than anything a novice can do for reps on day one.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the people who do Starting Strength are recognizable immediately ie a big ass, wide hips, small arms, shoulders and minimum 30% bodyfat

      Groups on the internet, such as the SS forums, have probably left untold amounts of guys disappointed with how they've looked after 3-12 months.

      Meanwhile, the "bro" who goes to the gym and does curls, bench, shoulders and a few chin-ups and leg presses totally blows the SS "student" out of the water, getting bigger arms, shoulders, pecs and upper back without that much fat gain.

      That's because starting strength is shit.

      Yep, all of my normie friends made decent gains doing shitty brosplits. There was one guy in our group that tried to do SS and everyone made fun of him for it. I think he gave up after 2 months.

      doesn't matter how much you lift if you still look like shit

      based
      fuck SS and all of its apologists
      bunch of fat/skinnyfat morons squatting 3 plates while struggling to bench a plate

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I began Starting Strength after 4+ years of weight training. After 2 years I started to get fat so I began doing more bodybuilding/hypertrophy movements and bodyweight exercises with great results. I was able to lose about 35lbs in 8 months while increasing my max squat, bench, and deadlift (425 squat, 285 bench, 520 dead at 190lbs).

      I felt and looked great, and for some reason decided to re-shift my focus to just lifting as heavy as I possibly could, mostly because I was impatient with my bench press. A good friend and trainer then recommended Starting Strength to me, which was the beginning of my demise.

      I read SS and Practical Programming, “fixed” my squat/bench/deadlift form, and starting doing Rippetoe’s 4 day Texas Method split for intermediates. At first I smoked every lift. In fact, the workouts were incredibly easy (compared to the 5 day workouts I had been doing) and I starting making PRs every week.

      I started feeling pain and the advice I received from a SS coach regarding the cramps was to “stop being a pussy” and “eat more.” The result was that I gained 40-45 lbs in 5 months. My totals still went up a little though, so I thought I was generally in the right track but my gains plateaued for the next 2 months. Then it dawned on me: SS actually got me out of the great shape.

      I have been doing a strict bodyweight routine out of Josh Bryant’s Jailhouse Strong, the same routine I did a few years ago when I didn’t have access to a gym for a few months I already feel great and think I can get back in shape in 4-5 months I know I am just one guy, but it seems like SS may be good for neither beginners nor intermediate lifters. It seems like there’s a lot of good science backing SS, but if you feel and look like crap when you do it, what the heck is the point?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Did starting strength for 2 years, if not longer
        Holy fuck YNDTP

        >425/285/520 after basically 7 years
        Imagine lifting for such baby numbers after all that time

        That's not why SS is bad. It's bad because it has shit volume for anything besides squat and little to no accessory work and most unathletic noobs need more volume to get their garbage work capacity up and volume is also a driver of hypertrophy.

        >Shit volume
        Until you need more, 3x5 is fine
        t. Hit 250 3x5 tng bench on SS

        >Little to no accessory work
        There is a whole ass chapter on accessories in SS and telling you how to implement them

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          rip mentions in his books that SS can be followed forever especially if you are of middle age
          he also gives examples of people pushing 400 lbs 3x5 squats on his program (not doable in a year or two for a rank beginner)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He says the general layout can be, but it's not the same thing as SS.

            >Examples of 400 lbs for working sets
            Some people reach that within 6 months or less on SS, it's not common though, obviously. There's a dude on PLG that reached 425 for 3x5 on SS and he absolutely ran it for less than a year.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Until you need more
          Why would a beginner not benefit from more? Espeically on deadlift volume which is pathetic through all phases

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            More is not always more anon. Beginners have a very low tolerance for the volume they can handle at first. Did you read SS/PPST?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Beginners have a very low tolerance
              Yeah because they run shit programs like SS instead of running higher volume programs that improve work capacity. Rips reccomendations here aren't based on any research about what works best for beginners and his track record as a coach is mediocre, at best.
              >Did you read SS
              Yeah and unless he's changed something with newer additions he says not to include accessory work till you're several phases into the programming. What SS is delay what you should be doing from day 1 till later which is why most people running it end up fat and weak with shit conditioning

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also Rip says not to implement acceosires till WAY too late into the program when most beginners should be doing them from day one. Again saying something is "fine" doesn't explain why it's programmed in a way that runs counter to everything we know about strength training and hypertrophy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They don't need to add in accessories at first, they need to focus on learning form for the big compounds in phase 1. Noobs are retarded and can barely handle the base program as is, adding in more movements just makes things more difficult.

            What rep scheme is each running and what are their heights?

            >What rep scheme is each running
            Holy shit lmao, implying programming can be boiled down to a single set and rep scheme

            >Beginners have a very low tolerance
            Yeah because they run shit programs like SS instead of running higher volume programs that improve work capacity. Rips reccomendations here aren't based on any research about what works best for beginners and his track record as a coach is mediocre, at best.
            >Did you read SS
            Yeah and unless he's changed something with newer additions he says not to include accessory work till you're several phases into the programming. What SS is delay what you should be doing from day 1 till later which is why most people running it end up fat and weak with shit conditioning

            Yes volume tolerance can be trained specifically, but it can also go up just by getting stronger and there's no reason for beginners that barely know form to go for high reps where rep quality is likely terrible.

            >Not based on research
            But he's trained way more beginners successfully than any person on this board in person, he has a good idea of what he's talking about when it comes to beginners.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > Forgot height variable.

              Learn to read autistic cunt.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just do SS(with rows instead of power cleans) and add
    3 sets of chins
    3 sets of curls
    3 sets of tricep extensions
    3 sets of lateral raises
    2x a week
    done that's all the accessories you need.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, I think the best argument against Starting Strength is Mark Rippetoe looking like a fat slob. I wouldn't want to take fitness advice from a guy who looks like that. I have no further opinion on it, though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Riprotica is a better argument.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      YDNDTP

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sharting Shitters keep this meme up because the only way to convince people to do SS is to LIE about it

        charlatan snake oil salesmen the whole lot

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        your pic related isn't Rippletits though. It's Roger Estep

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rip took gear and competed single ply for these lifts kek https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/markrippetoe

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros I'm following the Buff Dudes dumbbell full body program...h-how fucked am I until I can afford a gym membership

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyday a beginner to the gym will ask what program he should do.
    People will usually respond with either Starting Strength or Stronglifts and order them to eat a lot. A few months will pass and the beginner have stalled and is confused with why he’s not gaining any muscle despite putting so much weight on the bar.
    They say he should stick with the program, read the book, get a lot of sleep and eat even more food and not to switch programs unless he’s reached “intermediate” lifts. The beginner sticks with it and runs it for 1 year, while making very little progress.

    Here is where the problem actually lays: Starting Strength and Stronglifts does not actually build muscle, but PEAKS it. In other words, It builds what is already there. Yes! Really!

    Both of these programs are based on Bill Starr’s 5×5 that was made for off-season football players that wanted to get their numbers back up in the weight room with as little work as possible. That is also the case as a beginner. With these programs you’re not actually getting stronger, just adapting to the training, becoming more efficient at moving the bar and getting the central nervous system to handle the work load.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Starting Strength and Stronglifts does not actually build muscle
      YDNDTP
      >but PEAKS it.
      >It builds what is already there

      You're confusing exercise with training.

      >players that wanted to get their numbers back up in the weight room with as little work as possible.
      That's what happens after you complete a your LP. Muscle comes back fast. But you need to build it first.

      >Have you ever met ANYONE who does SS and looks good?
      Rippetoe’s nutrition is ridiculous. 6000 calories and 300 gram protein and a gallon of whole milk for a 150 pound natty kid will only make him fat.

      People accuse starting strength students of using estrogen because of their increasing butt from squatting and growing man boobs from drinking so much milk

      >Rippetoe’s nutrition is ridiculous.
      >6000
      >300 gram protein
      >doesn't post source
      >a gallon of whole milk
      > for a 150 pound natty kid
      >doesn't post height
      >will only make him fat.

      You did not read the book. Nobody recommends GOMAD as a permanent solution nor does the program require bulking to an extreme degree.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Everyday a beginner to the gym will ask what program he should do.
      >People will usually respond with either Starting Strength or Stronglifts

      SS and SL are highly overrated. I clearly gained more muscle in Upper chest, arms and specially on my shoulders after I switched to high rep isolation work.
      You will find a lot of imbalance if you strictly only do SS or SL.

      The founder of stronglifts Mehdi is a complete moron who believes his own bro science. At least Rippetoe knows something about training. But knows nothing about nutrition and bodybuilding.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Rep knows nothing about nutrition and bodybuilding.
        He's a strength coach, not a BB coach. Gymcels on here confuse programs centered on strength instead of aesthetics as being worthless. It's okay anons, we're all gonna make it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rip is a shit strength coach too. Name one(1) athlete he's coached who's competed at an elite level. Chase Lindsey is the only decent one and he competes in the SS fed instead of in real international competitions

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank goodness for your comment and the aim to spread some sanity.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Have you ever met ANYONE who does SS and looks good?
    Rippetoe’s nutrition is ridiculous. 6000 calories and 300 gram protein and a gallon of whole milk for a 150 pound natty kid will only make him fat.

    People accuse starting strength students of using estrogen because of their increasing butt from squatting and growing man boobs from drinking so much milk

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It really troubles me when a bunch of skinnyfats such as *some* of those on the SS forums — proud of being shockingly out of condition — feel they are qualified to advise people on weight loss and body recomposition and “call out” anyone who does things a little differently and succeed, looking for evidence of their “failure”.

    I don’t know if the SS partisans/internet ultras realise the implications of telling a light framed skinny-fat guy to go and get 15-20kg fatter in exchange for a < 5kg muscle gain. I'm talking blood sugar problems, further hormonal issues, etc.

    Most of those guys don't give a damn about bloodwork or health. Plenty of them will have ceased lifting by 40 years of age through injury.

    Linear progressions take so many forms. The reason why ones like SS are so popular is that they've been created with a view to being inherently "programmable". To me, progression encompasses so many things:

    – more reps
    – more sets (don't go mad and jump from 2 to 10 sets per exercise next session, though!)
    – better *quality* reps by feeling the muscles working more
    – increased TUT per set
    – same weight/reps/sets but shorter resting periods
    – introducing mechanical disadvantage
    – etc…

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weight on a bar is just one way to go about things and the easiest in the early weeks, even if in a caloric deficit. But it comes to an end and there's no reason to push yourself towards injury or obesity when your goal is to look better shirtless and optimise health + hormones + nutrient uptake/partitioning.

      As for me, I can't be bothered with "programming". If I have a good day I'm going to take advantage of it. If I have a bad day, I'm not going to risk injury by trying to force weight up when my body is already somewhat drained from a bad night's sleep or outside stressors. When you have enough good days under your belt, your capacity on bad days will be enhanced anyway.

      If some permabulker who thinks lightweight behind-the-neck presses will kill me decides that he wants to revoke my man card because I don't trash my elbow tendons with low-bar squats, I'll live with that.

      Anyway, rant over 😀

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I see all those words, but what I don't see is 1/2/3/4 plates on your lifts. Keep trying anon. After your LP, will you do Texas method or the 4-day split version?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It really troubles me when a bunch of skinnyfats such as *some* of those on the SS forums — proud of being shockingly out of condition — feel they are qualified to advise people on weight loss and body recomposition and “call out” anyone who does things a little differently and succeed, looking for evidence of their “failure”.
      Kek this. Basically if you ask anything about aesthetics in the starting strength forum, you are immediately told by the coaches to eat 6000 to 10,000 calories and avoid isolation exercises and cardio and only do SS . If you try to argue, you are immediately labeled as a TROLL.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is a strength building form, what do you expect with such off-topic threads? Also, the advice is to bulk, not with 6000+ calories, but whatever the TDEE requires. Usually because the people lifting for purely aesthetic reasons need to just pick a program and get strong, rather than waste time doing inefficient exercises at super light weights that won't yield any results. Don't worry anon, you're going to make it. We all are.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >light framed skinny-fat guy to go and get 15-20kg fatter in exchange for a < 5kg muscle gain
      literally me when i started out
      years later, i look 10x as good after i stopped lifting and lost all of my fat

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know that SS is a strength program, but a lot of guys to this day believe that SL and SS will give them a good body because “high volume training is a waste of time for natural lifters”. They’re just wasting their time training hard without any ROI.
    Most of them end up injured without any results to show for it.

    The only way LP will work is if you have the right person under the right conditions.
    Most often a big boned fat guy who is built for the compound lifts and gains strength easily and an underweight skinny guy who needs to put on weight fast.

    This is only a minority of the gym population. The vast majority of guys who start going to the gym are somewhere in between, therefore following an extreme approach like SSLP is not going to work for them.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would anyone do SS if their intention is to look good? If they can read I recommend getting a copy, not only is it very informative but also it clearly states that it's a program of general strength conditioning intended to improve sports performance. This has nothing to do with aesthetics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being concerned with aesthetics is the reason most of this board fails.

      >You don’t need to get strong to take up bodybuilding.
      Who do you think has a bigger chest, the twink benching 135 for reps, or the dude benching 250 for reps? Who has a bigger back, the twink doing 20 pullups, or the dude deadlifting 405lbs for reps? It's common sense that stronger = bigger.

      Fact is, some base strength is required for hypertrophic-centered programs to work. Novices and untrained individuals won't benefit from high rep sets for muscle growth because light weights aren't enough stimulus to generate that response. That's not to say they don't work at all, only that pure novices can't benefit from them. Doing 225lbs for 3x10 is going to get you MUCH bigger than doing 135lbs for 3x10, but benching 315 for 5 will make you look big regardless.
      >unironically uses mesomorph/ectomorph terminology
      >Ecto’s and skinny fat guys were not designed to lift heavy.
      It's okay anon, once your squat is 315, you're going to look amazing. Let me know when you need help with form. We're all going to make it.

      >Who do you think has a bigger chest, the twink benching 135 for reps, or the dude benching 250 for reps? Who has a bigger back, the twink doing 20 pullups, or the dude deadlifting 405lbs for reps? It's common sense that stronger = bigger.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Who do you think has a bigger chest, the twink benching 135 for reps, or the dude benching 250 for reps? Who has a bigger back, the twink doing 20 pullups, or the dude deadlifting 405lbs for reps? It's common sense that stronger = bigger.
        Problem here with this is that it's assuming everyone if you do it as quickly as possible (often at cost of form and getting fat as fuck) you will get bigger faster. Someone gifted in strength (amazing leverages+tendons) might take 6-12 months on LP to pull 405 for reps and someone less gifted might take 2-3 years.

        But who's going to be more muscular. Kid pulling 405 for reps with 6 months of lifting on LP or kid pulling 405 for reps after couple years using more advanced programming with more volume (weekly sets)? I hope I don't have to spell this out for you. Only thing that matters in getting stronger on individual level. There's not magical strength level where you unlock "Buff body" cosmetic.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with people who follow Starting Strength is not the program but the fact that people are idiots, they get so fat that they are above 20% body fat by the end of the program.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would it be good to follow a split and and the big lifts with weight progression?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And add*

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Been thinking the same since I'm already a fatty trying to lose weight.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    newbie here, so what the fuck do i do? ive been doing 5x5 with arms/abs isolation at the end of each session, but now feel im wasting my time

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are stupid, it's a program that is geared towards giving you a good based to build on, not some gay bodybuilding program. This the program you do so that when you jump onto bodybuilding you can actually move a little weight.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the people who criticize SS aren't doing the program. Just look at all the misinfo on it.
    >changing rep schemes from 3x5 to 5x5
    >Assuming that mass bulking is required
    >Focusing on aesthetics
    >People who didn't program properly
    >People with poor form who complain about getting injured
    >People not actually reading the book and following the program
    Most of the people who hate SS likely never got their bench past 200, squat past 300, or deadlift past 400. They quit because they were dyels who didn't want to bulk, thinking they'd get to 30% bodyfat (not required as part of the program...)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its still a poor program for both mass and aesthetics it only helps you to learn to squat with shit form and deadlift with shitter form and no "mandatory" accessories that will help the person with common mobility issues such as lower back, shoulders and hips, which should be included in a quickie warm up! C'mon you can't be that retarded.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >doing ss

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ive been doing SS for 1.5 months now. went from 115 skelly to 138 skelly. probably going to stay on till im around 160. i say the program works for what its intended because im definitely stronger but im not expecting any aesthetics besides not looking like a skelly

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah my skelly friend did SS+GOMAD and he looked good but he would have looked good on any newbie program really (good insertions, is autistic about food so he can stay shredded no problemo)
    he was aware about t-rex mode and planned accordingly though

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Been doing 531. Making pretty decent gains despite being on a cut

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SS is an extremely poor program because it assumes that complete beginners can just start lifting heavy weights 3 times a week and make progress every training session.

    It sounds good in theory, but is completely unrealistic unless you want to eat like a horse while risking getting injured.

    And, for intermediates and advanced lifters there are many many programs out there which are far better than any of Rippetoe’s cookie cutter programs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not why SS is bad. It's bad because it has shit volume for anything besides squat and little to no accessory work and most unathletic noobs need more volume to get their garbage work capacity up and volume is also a driver of hypertrophy.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >nooo you can't to bodybuilding routines from day one, you need to look like shit for 2 years before even thinking of doing isolations!
    >mfw I didn't know anything about lifting and trained with shitty ass dumbbells from my cramped uni dorm my first six months
    >mfw I hit 1/2/3 in my first year of barbell training
    >mfw never even attempted strength training or le SS meme
    But go ahead and listen to the Rippetoe zealots telling you strength training is mandatory as a beginner

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >larping this fucking hard
      post body

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here I am next to my laughable starting point. Your turn SS golem ;^)

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I started with StrongLifts and added OHP, Pullups, Chinups, Shrugs, some arm workouts and replace flat bench press with incline press. I keep my workout minimalistic to focus on a routine. It's like StrongLifts+ but it won't get you that chiseled abs or that striations look but I'm happy with it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I started with StrongLifts and added OHP
      You added OHP to a program that already has OHP in it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Retards here are gonna go crazy because you're adding muh too much movement

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Programs like SS are better for guys who already have some muscle (i.e. college/high school American Football players) to get them back up to their old strength standards.
    That’s what the linear workout-to-workout progression was originally used for. Those people were already muscular and needed a program to make their muscles efficient for power in sports and to avoid muscle loss eventually.

    Now SS can be used for lifelong sedentary guys to peak the efficiency of their existing muscle mass whilst adding a few pounds of (primarily lower body) muscle by virtue of going from zero training volume to a bit of training volume. Upper body volume on SS is laughable, hence the T-Rex and Quadzilla memes online.

    Starting Strength is laughed at primarily because it’s a strength peaking program designed to make your body very efficient at moving heavy weight for low volume, but it gets marketed as a mass builder.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > but it gets marketed as a mass builder.
      its not. he bills it as some fix all thing for your grandmother to do to have a better quality of life
      grandmom doesn't need squats and press. she needs mobility, cardio, and some strength that is useful throughout the largest ROM possible for better quality of life.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >She doesn't need movements that mimic movements in real life
        You do realize that she would gain all three, right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >seething rippechud

          no, they do not need deadlift, squat, or press as written by rippetits

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They absolutely do. Do you know how many of them struggle with sitting down and standing up? Or picking things up off the floor? Or even putting something above their head? The big 4 are incredibly important for improved day to day quality of life. Read The Barbell Prescription. It's based on what Rip does to train older people, and it's absolutely invaluable if you plan on doing so yourself.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think press and deadlift are just red herrings to hide Rippetoe's insatiable hard-on for squats. If you think of how he says those are good exercise, but with squats he drools and praises them to a level that goes past decency. It's a weird kink to want to see young men do as many squats as possible.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >weird kink
          he is a cuck

          https://www.literotica.com/s/the-trip-home-3
          >and you see my house for the first time. It is stone. Cold stone. I guide you towards my bed. There is an iron rafter at a height of about 9 feet above the room about 3 feet from the end of the bed.
          A stone house. Rippetoe might be the only one in Texas with a stone house. He mentioned on his podcast how hard it was to get his stone house build because nobody ever did one. You can even see the iron rafters he mentioned in his erotica during the texas cafe videos.
          About 1:03 into Starting Strength Radio 119 is where he talks about the construction process.

          https://i.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=143119&page=bio
          >Gender: Male
          >Age: 41 to 50
          >Weight: Average
          >Height: Average
          >Location: North Texas

          Now, you may be thinking this is some IST meme from the early days. It is not. The first story did predate IST. IST wasn't even a board till 2008. The Starting Strength forums doesn't look like it was started before 2007, Starting Strength first edition wasn't published till 2005, and the third edition everyone knows was 2011.Finally, the description and images of his house only appeared in the last couple years on the podcast and texas cafe.

          The OG evidence [email protected] associated with Rippetoe's website. Mark has fixed up this leak, but I don't think we need any more evidence. Case closed, we got him.

          Know this info before the rippeshill report the post to try and have it memory holed faster than paddox.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't spell Mass without some of dat ASS.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well guess I'll do greyskull

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My old roommate, but he was 5’5”, 126#, 7% BF. He could squat 335 by the end, and deadlift 365, but couldn’t bench 135, and he the pressed the bar. Impressive honestly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He wasn't following the program if he could really only bench 135. I did SS for like 9 months and got similar numbers on squat and deadlift, but hit 190ish bench and 115 OHP. All for sets of 5.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have been doing 5x5 for a year like a retard because I read the sticky on here and thought it was the way to go. What other programs can you guys shill me?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      c6w, 2-3 times.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      youve made no size/little gains with 5x5 in a year?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I had been doing bro lifts before that so I already had gains. I feel like Ive just put on fat more than muscle and look like a t rex fridge

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I feel like Ive just put on fat more than muscle and look like a t rex fridge
          don't worry pal, that's normal on 5x5 and 3x5 routines

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If SS is so shit, what is the best alternative?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      any routine is better than SS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PPLPPLR

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's called starting strength not starting gay sex
    powershitting is for tops, body building is for bottoms, simple as.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is like debating about the best way to teach your kid how to tie his shoelaces. Do the fucking program for three months, get a little bit of strength, then move on. Not hard FFS.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thread conclusion SS is shit

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m in my third month of starting strength and I feel great. I’ve added schrugs, hammer curls and kettlebell swing after about a month but still focus heavily on the main exercises. Anyone who says that beginners shouldn’t do SS is an idiot. I can feel a huge difference in everyday activity, really feeling the added strength when I walk and do chores. Feels amazing and I’m very proud. My friends who go to the gym literally measure progress is bicep size, which is not for me. I just want to be strong.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But what 3-day program I should do as a beginner then? I'm doing GSLP but it's almost same as SS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just get some staff memebr at the gym to give you a basic 2 week ABABAB routine that does 3 x 8-12 full body.
      Each workout do
      Chest
      Shoulders
      Back
      Leg press
      Leg curl
      Biceps
      Triceps
      Abs

      Do that for a few months while you take care of diet. If you cant handle that routine then you've got discipline issues and anything more complicated wont help you.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How many reps is "high reps"? 12-20? I was on ss for like 2 months and I switched to brosplits because it was more fun to do other machines and dumbbell exercises. 2 months later and I bench lmao1pl8 for 5 reps. Wish I knew if that was good or bad.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why does this simple linear progression strength program cause so much goddamn seethe?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because most of this board is hilariously delusional and inept and clueless about lifting.
      These guys were actually expecting to look like Jeff Seid within a few months of lifting and think that when they don't, it's because they were "tricked" into doing the wrong program.

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