Have you noticed how underwhelming a lot of roid users' physiques are?
Go to any "steroid abuse" documentary on YouTube and look at the users' physiques, they are never as good as you imagine. I think this shows the deciding factor to aesthetics is your willingness to cut and get lean, I think this matters WAY more than your natty status as to how good you look.
>Train super hard as a kid, doing heaps of cardio and sports
>Do one dirty bulk for about a year, late into puberty (if you didn't make it in your respective sport) while pretty much only lifting heavy
>Go on a slight cut until you're back to sub 10% bodyfat
>Do whatever the fuck you feel like in training after that, but just go hard and stay below 10% bf.
It's really is that easy.
>slight cut
>to get sub-10% body fat natty
Lmao, natty sub 10% most people will look emaciated and it takes far more work than it's worth. 12-15% is ideal for a natty lifter
Slight cut as in only being in a slight caloric deficit so that you don't lose muscle. The muscle you will have gained doing a massive bulk late into puberty will retain and you will look good.
The idea that 12-15% ever looks better than <10% is absolute cope.
>The idea that 12-15% ever looks better than <10% is absolute cope.
The reason actual drug tested bodybuilders look like shit on stage is becsuse they're too lean to maintain muscle mass naturally
You have body dysmorphia.
He's not. Tested bodybuilders look like auschwitz survivors. You can only pull off that level of bodyfat if you're on enough gear to support a reasonable level of muscle mass to compensate. Otherwise 12%+ looks better.
They look hollow.
Yeah bro, the people in Auschwitz totally looked like this.
Funny how even they weighed more than this midget solely because they were of normal height
5'2" lemonade sipper
Alex is a perfect example. He got down to 148 pounds at 7% bodyfat on the stage. That's tiny. You don't look big in clothes, you don't look big standing next to anybody, your libido tanks, you feel like you're dying. Those are all things Alex readily admits to himself. Also he objectively looked best at picrel, between170-155 pounds, and it was when he got under 155 that he started feeling like shit apparently.
148 pounds at 7% bodyfat is pretty massive for his height.
It's the natty limit if you believe the height he claims and it's approaching mass monster territory if you believe the height IST claims.
That guy roided, and is on some shit right now maybe low doze of t and anavar or some sarms, just stop thinking people can look like this naturally hell even with roids u won't look like this unless u train and dedicate years to this shit
Yeah of course it is but 148 pounds is still small. Objectively. He says so himself. And it's not healthy. The optimal bodyfat percentage for a man is 15%. Once you start going below 12%, and certainly into single digits, you are suffering and chronically undernourished. The obsession over leanness and being shredded is overplayed. It's been the standard in the fitness space since the 60s. It's time to let that go and return to a previous ideal: one which excells in both aesthetics, performance, and health.
I was a guard there and can confirm the garden gnomes were getting absolutely shredded, I'm talking diced pure lean kosher meat
>natty sub 10% most people will look emaciated
ima let you on to a little secret
when you are lean you look bigger
imagine an inverse bell curve where the x axis is perceived hugeness and the y axis is body fat - there is a dead zone between 12 and 25% bodyfat where regardless of mass you will look smaller than if you were shredded or grizzlymode
reverse those axis
>bellow 10% natty
Kek, u start losing muscle bellow 15% as natty u roid chud
you might lose strength, but not much muscle.
>do a years dirty bulk (probably put on at least 30-40lbs of fat)
>just do a SLIGHT cut afterwards until you're below 10% bodyfat
just do whatever the fuck you want and you'll stay below 10% bodyfat, its no thing
god this board is fucking braindead, people literally just say whatever and act like they gave you good advice
Shitloads of people are on roids, if you go to any slightly more serious gym the dbol gang is huge and there are plenty more pinning properly. Most of them look like shit
You honestly have no fkn idea how bad it really is. If you think gym is where u find most gear use lol, lmao even. Go to a f50corp gym or upscale country club and prepare for absolute dyel insanity
>at least 80% of the men I meet age 35+ are on test in some eay
its fkn nuts. The vax woke me up to npc medical worship but I always kinda figured the 100k+ white man club was smarter than that… big fkn nope. Every dude I work or golf with is on gear, and they dont even know it lmao. Its just a pill to them and the immediate life changing perks are too good for them to even consider the long term cost or side effects.
>’Doc said my T lvls were a bit low so I take this once a week, look and feel great, and my cock gits rock hard bruh!’
The worse part is half of them are on cialis/viagra too bcuz clot shot cucked and have no idea this shit dont mix (expecting their doc to kno LMAO).
>curious
Natty for life but have noticed something strange about roid rage - why do zoomies sharing their daddies script rarely rage out but their fkn dads are bipolar 24x7? Most of these dudes are 40 and they will go WWE trailer trash tweaker out of the fkn blue. What gives… are kids immune to the hormone outbursts due to higher base T lvls?
>>’Doc said my T lvls were a bit low so I take this once a week, look and feel great, and my cock gits rock hard bruh!’
>The worse part is half of them are on cialis/viagra too bcuz clot shot cucked and have no idea this shit dont mix (expecting their doc to kno LMAO).
I'm getting my test levels done and I think I have a prescription happy doc, I don't even know if I wanna go there or not if he reckons they're low
Yeah all my golfing buddies are on roids. They're as big as me and don't even lift. Feelsbadman. When I hit 50 I'm going to a TRT clinic for sure.
Noob
Yeah, it's called >roiding for this.
Everyone's doing it.
they get the maximum result of their shitty routines plus the benefits of growing out of nowhere naturally by pinning. you need to have talent to make good use of roids.
Gregg Douchette has been saying this for years now. Way more people are on steroids then you think and they look like shit and so won't ever admit to taking roids.
Btw, this is me losing about ~15kg, I'm not super lean or have an amazing physique, but evidently I've improved from where I was, so I'm happy with my progress. Since I got leaner I've had girls I date accuse me of using roids despite not actually getting any stronger or putting on any muscle. So that's a bit of a white pill for you guys.
On the other hand, if I would of actually roided and not of put the fork down, what would the results be? I'd just be a bigger version of the left pic, I'd still have sausage arms, no delt seperation, bicep vein or any abs. I'd just be a wider version of the DYEL me on the left, whoopdi-do.
I think the results of roiding only become realized if you can actually cut and get to a lower body fat %, if you still can't see your abs you may as well get the low hanging fruit and get a bit leaner first.
Looking good bro.
I cut from 81 to 73kg. Kinda hard breaking past this and still about 15% bfp. I actually didn't loose that much mass which is weird.
post eyebrow routine
just for men beard & moustache is goated, literally doubles thickness of eyebrows.
You color your eyebrows? Jesus dude
that's so gay bro wtf are you actually doing that lmfaoooo
The majority of roid heads I've seen are 4ft morons
Like this?
Theyre crashing his test
No shit?
The roiders you think of are 1% in the sense they train hard as well. Most roiders just look big if they train decently, and those who train shit look like normies.
Roids aren't "magic" magic. They compound your work. A lot of roiders just look normal but even that is better than they would look otherwise which is dogshit.
Yeah, it's just something the fitness community ingrains into our head with "natty or not" content, pretty much exclusively focusing on guys that are sub 10% bf and never talking about the majority of roiders that stay fluffy. I think it's easy to get brainwashed into thinking not natty = shredded.
You would be shocked how many people use roids. 90% of the people that use roids are just Socialmedia workout gays that would never joined the gym if it wasn't hip. That's why they look like shit,they treat the gym like a youth club. It's also the reason why so many guys with natural good bodies get accused of using roids, those gays can't cope with the fact that a natural bb moggs them brutally.
Steroids aren't the magic drugs all you natty fags think they are. They can make you do incredible things with your body, but only if you have the genetics and you are willing to devote yourself entirely to training. Most people just don't train hard ever. You all think you train hard but you have no fucking idea what some of us are putting ourselves through.
they are tho. one dose permanently changes muscle structure and allows to get more muscles faster even if the person stops roiding. it's just that people who roid are imbeciles and even with this advantage they are often mogged by natties. there is not a single reason to roid when you can get otter mode 90kg body naturally and if you aren't a pro athlete. The problem is that roiders don't know how to get that otter mode 90 kg athletic body or don't have will and patience to do so. So they roid, but it doesn't save them.
>one dose permanently changes muscle structure and allows to get more muscles faster even if the person stops roiding
source? and by source I don't mean a schizo natty coper ranting in his basement.
Stop taking caffeine and protein powder. Do it naturally. Stop picking and choosing what foods to eat. Do it naturally. Don't take aspirin or ibuprofen for a headache. Do it naturally. Hahhahajaja stop being a fucking tard.
Whats even funnier is in their mind they think they look exactly like jay cutler and arnie coldman
It's almost as if steroids aren't magic and you still need hard work and diet to look good. Normies are so dumb.
I mean, they barely do any work and they look like me, who follows good diet, good sleep, don't drink, etc.
Why would someone he so dedicated to this shit that he would literally take steroids, and then ask the same time not work out much? Are you retarded? When you're ready to fuck your body up with drugs, you're obviously gonna do the necessary training. At a minimum. Speaking from experience, I injured myself constantly trying to train really fucking hard. Stop coping. You don't train anywhere NEAR as hard as people who juice do.
>are you retarded?
that's the reason why people do roids if they aren't pro athletes. Most people around you are complete imbiciles.
you're retarded.
Kek most roids is underdosed bunk trash lmao real pharma grade drugs of any kind SHIT on generic version of said drug and double shit on UGlab version of said drug.
Wrong wrong wrong it’s all due to what this guy says and he is right
Lean boy allways allways allways looks better then bloofy boy
All these retarded mass mass water filled glycogen balloons look like fucking shit
Don’t matter natty or roided bloofy looks nothing
Always get lean always
All these guys 15-20% bf asking if they should bulk or cut are retarded
Roids show their absolute true magic when you start them really lean and second is the real party starts not with fucking Reddit cycle 500mg testo and except wonders or Coleman shit
It starts with test tren last equi
There are really four categories of lifters, right.
1. Good genetics + natural. These guys will probably keep training once they start because they see solid results. They'll hit a peak and stay there but look nice with a shirt off etc.
2. Bad genetics + natural. These guys will probably quit after a year or two of training because they don't see results. If they continue training you'll hardly notice.
3. Good genetics + roided. These guys saw success in their early lifting years and liked it so much they took the next step. They can compete on stage if they so choose, although many will go the instagram route.
4. Bad genetics + roided. This is imo the worst combination to have. See the guy in OP's pic. These guys are usually driven by some deep insecurities, but didn't see results from natty lifting, so they decided to juice up to fight whatever demons they carry with them. They'll never be able to compete on stage, and despite sacrificing their long-term health, even some natural lifters with elite genetics will outpace them. A real "it was over before it began" type feel.
>i don't get results because my genetics are bad
No it's because you train like a pussy. I know you train like a pussy too. I can smell it.
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>4. Bad genetics + roided. This is imo the worst combination to have. See the guy in OP's pic. These guys are usually driven by some deep insecurities, but didn't see results from natty lifting, so they decided to juice up to fight whatever demons they carry with them. They'll never be able to compete on stage, and despite sacrificing their long-term health, even some natural lifters with elite genetics will outpace them. A real "it was over before it began" type feel.
Extremely heroic, warrior hermit, overman type shit. Why would I respect a gay who was born into easy mode over a man who's willing to destroy his long term health out of spite for the demiurge?
The only guy I know irl who roids doesn't even lift, he's a fat drug dealer who claimed to me "I just like injecting myself"
has he become an absolute unit as yet?
These people are literally nothing without roids and they can't even hit 200lbs with abs half the time.
I love roids so much it's unreal. I pinned test and tren before my first push up or gym membership. In less than a year I achieved my shredded ripped pussy magnet physique. Seethe nattychudcuck.
well idk why people assume that if you hop on steroids you will magically blow up to mr olympia open size, like what made you expect that
>Go to any "steroid abuse" documentary on YouTube and look at the users' physiques, they are never as good as you imagine
You mean people who aren't willing to put in the work are taking shortcuts?
A guy at my work used to work out but then discovered some sort of roids and just stopped lifting.
Sold his weights. Quit the gym. Claims he got huge from lifting and now just maintains it with calisthenics.
Except he can barely hold his bodyweight, cannot do pullups. Insane level of musculature, bloated hgh troll face.
Part of me hates this guy and wants him to have a bad time.
>I think this shows the deciding factor to aesthetics is your willingness to cut and get lean
What a retarded conclusion to take from that.
If you're on roids and you don't know how to train properly you'll still look at best like a natty intermediate regardless of whether you're lean or bulked up, if you're natty and you don't know how to train properly you'll always look DYEL no matter how lean you are, in fact most natties look better at a relatively bulked up (up to around 18% bf) state since it makes them look fuller.
That's because steroids aren't a replacement for elite training, diet, and genetics. You could put average men on the same cycles used by those who compete in Mr. Olympia and they wouldn't be half the size.
Is that guy actually in the doc or is it just random B roll footage?
Because getting to ifbb pro size from a normie starting point takes a decade of lifting and extreme amounts of gear
If you're not unusually lean then you won't really look like you're on gear outside of your delts being way better than normal, and most people don't have the discipline to actually get shredded
You people are taking the fun out of lifting with your autism.
I'm just gonna train hard, eat whatever as long as it's not garbage in quantities that my apetitte dictates and when I get to a point where I can't progress further without some obsessive dieting, I'm just gonna pin some test. That's how O.G. meatheads did it and you could actually see them walking around being all big and scary cause it worked.
There's a group of people at my gym who are all the same shade of "tren red." They all have godawful physiques and appear to do nothing but lat pulls, curls, and bench presses. Most roiders these days know fuck all about training.