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Hey IST 29yo skellington here, been a skelly my whole life and I'm around 6'3 in height. Is it too late for me to exit skelly mode and gain a decent physique? if not then how long before I start seeing results by going full natty, 3 years? 5?
I'm not unhealthy in a medical sense btw, last time I had my blood checked all my levels were fine, and I have a balanced diet.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was 27 in the left pic and 28 in the right. 8 months inbetween. I'm 6'3 as well. EAT AND LIFT.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty good anon, you've given me hope. Care to share your routine/diet?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        For routine, if you are a total beginner do Stronglifts, it will help your form and overall strength/confidence. I added pullups, curls, and lat raises to the base routine. I did that for about 4 months before I switched to a PPLPPxx split using:
        >https://archive.is/gMUfM
        As a starting point, I've added and swapped exercises depending on what I felt I needed to improve on since then. The key is to always keep adding weight for everything. In my experience if you get to a weight that you can't do more than 8 reps, swap that exercise for another that targets the same muscle and progress on that, when you come back to the original you should be able to push it up again. Keep doing that and you'll be progressing for awhile. I'm still adding weight to my lifts a year and a half after that left pic was taken.

        For diet I mainly focused on just gaining weight, use a tdee calculator and make sure you put your activity level as sedentary. From that add 500 kcals and figure out meals that you not only like but are easy to make. Picrel is what I was eating pretty much every weekday, weekends I didn't follow it as closely, ate when I felt hungry. I also did intermittent fasting on weekdays as well, eating only from noon to 8pm. I believe that helped mitigate the fat gain from the bulk. Most days everything I ate was:
        2 protein shakes, 2 scoops each with whole milk, 2 hotnspicy McChickens, a Marie Calender's roasted garlic chicken bowl with another cup of penne added in.
        That is dirty bulking at it's finest and I did gain a bit of fat as you can tell in that progress pic, but I am cutting now which is easier than most people make it out to be and it's going great.
        You can eat better than I did and not get as fat, but I chose my diet because it was cheap and easy and I didn't mind eating it every weekday.
        Routine is the most important thing.

        Hope this helps anon, WAGMI

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Eat, lift and a little roid on the side.
      If you were a manlet I would buy that transformation

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        is this natural though? Genuinely curious. I'm 6'5 146lb, 23. I don't want to wait 5 fricking years to get to the same level every other guy my age is now, and be perpetually behind.

        Like, don't get me wrong, when I finish uni, I'm lifting non-stop, but I wonder whether I should bite the bullet and roid.

        lol, love it when I get accused of roids, maybe if you count massive amounts of whey as a performance enhancing substance

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No, I just want to know. I'm the 23 year old auschwitz victim. I had cancer and my body's just emaciated because of it. Doctor said I can gain muscle and start to exercise now, but it'll take time. If your gains are achievable natural in like 8 months, I'll stay natural. If not, I'm taking steroids. I've had enough of my life fricking wasted, I'm not wasting more being a fricking lanklet.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            EAT AND LIFT, my gains are natural, you'll probably see even better results since you're 5 years younger than I was when I started, don't let anyone tell you it'll take longer than a year, I noticed results after 3 months of

            https://i.imgur.com/DVYPrpV.png

            For routine, if you are a total beginner do Stronglifts, it will help your form and overall strength/confidence. I added pullups, curls, and lat raises to the base routine. I did that for about 4 months before I switched to a PPLPPxx split using:
            >https://archive.is/gMUfM
            As a starting point, I've added and swapped exercises depending on what I felt I needed to improve on since then. The key is to always keep adding weight for everything. In my experience if you get to a weight that you can't do more than 8 reps, swap that exercise for another that targets the same muscle and progress on that, when you come back to the original you should be able to push it up again. Keep doing that and you'll be progressing for awhile. I'm still adding weight to my lifts a year and a half after that left pic was taken.

            For diet I mainly focused on just gaining weight, use a tdee calculator and make sure you put your activity level as sedentary. From that add 500 kcals and figure out meals that you not only like but are easy to make. Picrel is what I was eating pretty much every weekday, weekends I didn't follow it as closely, ate when I felt hungry. I also did intermittent fasting on weekdays as well, eating only from noon to 8pm. I believe that helped mitigate the fat gain from the bulk. Most days everything I ate was:
            2 protein shakes, 2 scoops each with whole milk, 2 hotnspicy McChickens, a Marie Calender's roasted garlic chicken bowl with another cup of penne added in.
            That is dirty bulking at it's finest and I did gain a bit of fat as you can tell in that progress pic, but I am cutting now which is easier than most people make it out to be and it's going great.
            You can eat better than I did and not get as fat, but I chose my diet because it was cheap and easy and I didn't mind eating it every weekday.
            Routine is the most important thing.

            Hope this helps anon, WAGMI

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I'll give it a shot. I'm just demoralised as frick from all the shit i've missed out on and I don't want to miss out on any more. Uni from hospital, then from home, couldn't fricking go outside, in bed all fricking day for 2 years. Thanks, anon. I'm going to go to the store and buy some tuna right now.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      is this natural though? Genuinely curious. I'm 6'5 146lb, 23. I don't want to wait 5 fricking years to get to the same level every other guy my age is now, and be perpetually behind.

      Like, don't get me wrong, when I finish uni, I'm lifting non-stop, but I wonder whether I should bite the bullet and roid.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nah it's simple to escape skelly mode. You just need to eat more and lift weights. You can escape it in 6 months to a year if you're consistent and don't dick around.
    >food
    You have the opposite problem of land whales but the solution is the same. Track your calories using an app like Chronometer or FatSecret. If you don't increase your calories you can't gain weight. Flat the frick out. Do it at least for a few weeks while keeping track of your weight and you'll get a good idea of how much food you need to gain weight. If you don't like tracking your food after those few weeks just use the app to write up a meal plan. If you're lazy use eatthismuch.com to have a meal plan made for you with the macros, calories, and diet preferences you want after that testing period
    >lifting
    Avoid meme shit like starting strength. That's for getting stronger as a noob, not getting bigger muscles. People that try to use it to look better end up with a huge ass and small upper body. It's called frogmode or trexmode. Look for beginner bodybuilding programs instead. As a general rule the reps will mostly be above 8 per set and the exercise list for the upper body will look like a laundry list while the lower body work will look like it could be written on a sticky note

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >You have the opposite problem of land whales but the solution is the same. Track your calories using an app like Chronometer or FatSecret.
      Can't I just eat all the time and try to distend my belly at all times possible instead of this?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You can try. If that fails then fall back on tracking what you eat. I've yet to see anyone dirty bulk their way to a good physique. Always ends up with them acne ridden and a huge stomach even when they start as skelly

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You need to get a basic idea of how many kcal you get in. You are not a skinny frick because you eat a lot. And no you don't have a magic body that burns way more than everyone else.
        Getting an extra 1000 kalories can be really hard or really easy depending your habits and preferences. You fall in to the really hard category

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Depends how skelly you are. Average LBM gains in the first year are around 10lbs, second year quite possibly below that. If you are skelly there is a good chance you will still be skelly after 1 year and probably still working on escaping DYEL mode after the 2nd.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So, juice, gotcha

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If u supa skelly then you won't have a good starting weight on the plate, less weight means slower muscle build and slower strength gain ad infinitum.
        Juice would be a good start like second post did, but train for a few months first so you don't tear ligaments and muscles apart.

        [...]
        lol, love it when I get accused of roids, maybe if you count massive amounts of whey as a performance enhancing substance

        Then you sure as he'll is not 6'3

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Well I stared from 140lbs @6'0 and it too me 2.5 years to escape dyel mode. When you start with such little muscle mass you have to build so much tissue, it just takes fricking long to do that. Of course you will also gain more fat so you may not stay skinny for that long but you will still have little muscle mass.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well, I just got back from buying tuna and peanut butter. I guess it's 2.5 more wasted years of not being able to go out during the day, lol. I don't want people to see me like this, I'd rather die.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You'll see results in the first few months of regular lifting. All depends on what your baseline is but CNS gains from increased muscle activation help a lot and the first few months are basically free gains

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