Honest thoughts on vegans?

Honest thoughts on vegans?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They’re fine as long as they’re not obnoxious.

    But they usually are.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If they weren’t obnoxious, they’d be vegetarians.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are objectively correct. They would be incorrect if humans were obligate carnivores or crazier yet obligate other mammal milk drinkers. We’re not. All the anti-vegan propaganda is centered around fooling people to think that we are.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Correct how ?
      Morally ? Okay, if you want
      In terms of optimal nutrition ? Nope

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you’re not a vegan !
          >that means you’re a keto or carnivore moron !!

          Are vegans capable of something else than making strawmen ?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nope. They assume everyone else is just as extreme and dogmatic as they are, and if not for veganism, then they MUST be raw carnivore evangelists or similar

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm kinda getting sold on carnivore tbh. A friend of mine is melting off weight on carnivore atm.
            Granted he's cooking meat/eggs at home himself and only occasionally going out.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          ketolards/carnivores are equally as moronic as vegans, you're two sides of the same medal.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the forbidden alliance

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >In terms of optimal nutrition ? Nope
        > They would be incorrect if humans were obligate carnivores or crazier yet obligate other mammal milk drinkers. We’re not. All the anti-vegan propaganda is centered around fooling people to think that we are.
        Oh boy

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Watch this :
          >what is B12 ?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Watch this
            All you have to do to get adequate b12 is, take b12 from nonanimal sources wow so hard.
            >The present research evaluates the ability of two different sublingual dosages of vitamin B12 (350 μg/week vs 2000 μg/week)
            >In our experimental conditions, both supplements were able to restore adequate serum concentrations of vitamin B12 and to improve the levels of related metabolic blood markers in subjects with a marginal deficiency.
            https://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(18)30071-2/fulltext

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I do agree with you, however if you’re

              They are objectively correct. They would be incorrect if humans were obligate carnivores or crazier yet obligate other mammal milk drinkers. We’re not. All the anti-vegan propaganda is centered around fooling people to think that we are.

              you contradicted yourself, the need for B12 proves humans are ‘obligate carnivore or obligate milk drinker’ in their very nature.
              Sure you can take supplements nowadays, that doesn’t change your nature.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                My nature is that technology replaces whatever you think "nature" is, and using "nature" as an argument is just an appeal to nature fallacy so it doen't even matter really

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not at all an appeal to nature fallacy.
                This word seem to trigger your pavlovian answer right from the usual ‘vegan debate handibook’ so let me rephrase.

                Humans are genetically predisposed to feel the sunlight, to produce vitamin D and a bunch of other chemical reactions in out bodies.
                The fact that you can buy a UV light to produce the same effect doesn’t negate the fact that humans need sunlight.

                So yeah, humans are genetically predisposed to eat meat and dairy, and the fact you can get B12 from non animal sources in the current year doesn’t change that. Your ancestors would have died by being vegan.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Humans are genetically predisposed to feel the sunlight, to produce vitamin D and a bunch of other chemical reactions in out bodies.
                Ok you can just take vitamin d pill or fortified foods
                > humans are genetically predisposed to eat meat and dairy
                What's the evidence for that? And dairy was not even a thing until just a few thousand years ago so this statement is false, whatever the case I know you are getting into the idea that humans are adapted to eat meat but that's refuted by antagonistic pleiotropy so the idea that you are adapted to eat something doesn't say anything about its long term effects, if anything the more you are adapted to eat something the more unhealthy it is for long term health, and it's known meat is unhealthy for long term health
                >Your ancestors would have died by being vegan.
                They already died in their 20's and 30's so is not like it matters to imagine whatever you think being vegan is

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Babies die from being put on vegan diets but babies' IQ shoots up if they get breastfed and then put on a normal diet when they're ready. There's no argument here. There's nothing to debate.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Babies die from being put on vegan diets
                Alright send me a study that demostrates that kids die when they are put on a vegan diet
                >but babies' IQ shoots up if they get breastfed and then put on a normal diet when they're ready
                Only data I have seen on that subject is that kids that eat more plant foods have higher IQ than the ones that do the opposite
                > After adjustment, the ‘processed’ (high fat and sugar content) pattern of diet at 3years of age was negatively associated with IQ assessed at 8.5years of age—a 1 SD increase in dietary pattern score was associated with a 1.67 point decrease in IQ (95% CI −2.34 to −1.00; p<0.0001).
                >The ‘health-conscious’ (salad, rice, pasta, fish, fruit) pattern at 8.5years was positively associated with IQ: a 1 SD increase in pattern score led to a 1.20 point increase in IQ (95% CI 0.52 to 1.88; p=0.001).
                https://jech.bmj.com/content/66/7/624

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Alright send me a study that demostrates that kids die when they are put on a vegan diet
                https://globalnews.ca/news/9097911/vegan-mom-sheila-oleary-life-in-prison-son-malnutrition-death/#:~:text=A%20vegan%20woman%20from%20Florida,two%20counts%20of%20child%20neglect.
                >Only data I have seen on that subject is that kids that eat more plant foods have higher IQ than the ones that do the opposite
                of course you do, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2939272/ but just search a little bit and you'll find dozens of studies on this matter
                and for your study that says "kids that eat more plant foods have higher IQ than the ones that do the opposite" you're talking about grown ass kids, not babies. And that's not surprising, that means their parents are not moronic that only feed them oreos and flaming hot cheetos.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >https://globalnews.ca/news/9097911/vegan-mom-sheila-oleary-life-in-prison-son-malnutrition-death/#:~:text=A%20vegan%20woman%20from%20Florida,two%20counts%20of%20child%20neglect.
                That's not a study, that's a case of child neglect and majority of them are done by people who consume meat so
                >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2939272/
                This is about breast milk not dairy so idk why you link it, idk who saying to not breastfeed kids

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That's not a study
                it's an example though, do you think studies that intent to harm children would get financed or authorized ? you malevolent nerd, lmao

                >This is about breast milk not dairy so idk why you link it
                because you answered "Only data I have seen on that subject is that kids that eat more plant foods have higher IQ than the ones that do the opposite" to the anon saying "but babies' IQ shoots up if they get breastfed"
                but I guess you were answering only to the other part of his answer, that's a mistake from me.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >counter argument
                IQ is hereditary 😉

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok you can just take vitamin d pill or fortified foods
                You once again prove that you're a brainlet that don't understand the argument, supplements don't invalidate the genetic programming.
                >What's the evidence for that? bla bla bla
                the need for B12

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >supplements don't invalidate the genetic programming.
                Supplements invalidate your justification for getting your nutrients from animal meat, technology supersedes whatever your argument is which is hilarious cause you can use your "genetic programming" argument to justify cannibalism too so
                >the need for B12
                There's b12 in the water from rivers and plant foods that are not fully washed since b12 comes the soil that bacteria synthesizes, ancient people were getting part of their b12 intake from untreated water and vegetables and plant foods that were not as washed as they are today, so the idea that b12 since prehistoric times was only coming from meat is nonsense

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Supplements invalidate your justification for getting your nutrients from animal meat
                See, there's your problem, looks like you're having trouble with concepts.
                I'm not arguing at all that you should get B12 from animal sources, like I said here

                I do agree with you, however if you’re [...]
                you contradicted yourself, the need for B12 proves humans are ‘obligate carnivore or obligate milk drinker’ in their very nature.
                Sure you can take supplements nowadays, that doesn’t change your nature.

                My position is just that humans are programmed to eat animal products.

                >ancient people were getting part of their b12 intake from untreated water and vegetables and plant foods
                that's literally fanfic lmao, you won't get remotely close to sufficient levels of B12 by doing this.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >are programmed to eat animal products.
                Looks like we aren't because you don't need to eat them, your program got replaced by a new software
                >but muh ancient people
                We are not them, I don't care
                >that's literally fanfic lmao
                No, it's reality, untreated water has b12 and the dirt from plant foods also has.
                >you won't get remotely close to sufficient levels of B12 by doing this.
                What's the evidence for that? Also I didn't claim if that was sufficient or not

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this dudes thinks you can get B12 from dirty vegetables
                >mfw vegans wants us to get B12 from eating vegetables covered with animal poop

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                not either of those gayoons but hypothetically our gut microbiome should be able to make it for us just the bacteria that produce it for us are fragile and usually all die because of how separated we are from anything resembling a natural lifestyle or diet. Not saying that vegans are right just needing external b12 at all is unnatural to begin with.

                Idk why we haven't engineered a culture of those microbes more tolerant to our modern lifestyle and implanted them in ourselves.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It has never been demonstrated that the human intestinal flora produces vitamin B12 that can be absorbed by the digestive tract, even when practicing a raw and strictly vegetable diet[24],[25],[26].

                We’re not fricking cows m8

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                B12 is made from bacteria idiot, you can get it from eating unwashed carrots. The only reason meat has b12 is because the supplement the animals you're eating already. You're already eating b12 supplements just 1 step removed

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Go put unwashed carrots in your ass homosexual, why do vegans need to supplements then ?

                Because the fricking B12 intake from eating fruits and vegetables is infinitesimal.

                The animals that need B12 supplementation are factory farmed shit meat anyways.

                Grass fed beef don’t need B12 because B12 is actually created by fermenting grass in their stomachs.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Grass fed livestock need cobalt in their soil otherwise they are not getting b12, that's why cobalt b12 supplements are sold for livestock, not like it matters either way since grass fed meat is a meme anyway

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are there any studies showing how many b12 mcg you can expect on unwashed veg?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                oh look it's another mentally ill vegan trying to do things the wrong way. Next thing you know he'll try and put pee pee in butthole

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Always remember vegans are mentally ill and then everything makes sense.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                see

                Veganism is healthy by default since meat is unhealthy, and murdering others is psychopathy so if you eat meat you are mentally ill since the core of carnism is murder, violence and deat

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The moral category of murder doesn't apply to killing animals.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >vegans get their vitamins from e. coli

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                How do animals get their B12?
                Yes, you are wrong.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Either fermentation in their stomach or eating shit.

                We’re not cows and i don’t eat shit like your prostitute mom in dubai

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So

                the answer is bacteria

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                And ? What’s your shitty point ?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Correct, bacterias cultivated in the gut microbiome of animals. They then absorb the B12 produced by those bacterias and it ends up in their meat.

                A process that humans can’t do, we cannot absorb the small amount of B12 our microbiome creates. Like a ton of other animals, we get it from eating herbivore meat.

                I thought you vegans were all about the ‘name the trait’ argument, but it seems like you’re drawing the line between humans and animals pretty good when it suits you.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >A process that humans can’t do, we
                Which is why wed get it from the environment if it wasnt so unnaturally sanitary

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Morally? Unless they're growing their own organic food, they're still contributing to the massive destruction of animals via factory farming methods. Baby deer don't move for combine harvesters.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      can't make hide nor hair of this post, sorry

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They would be incorrect if humans were obligate carnivores

      So you're saying that they are incorrect, then. Because humans absolutely are obligate carnivores.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Humans are in their own unique group, called "animals who cook their food".

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They are objectively correct
      In what way specifically?
      >They would be incorrect if humans were obligate carnivores
      Omnivores gorge on meat all the time. It’s in the name.
      >crazier yet obligate other mammal milk drinkers
      Lol
      >We’re not
      We aren’t obligate steel makers either and yet here we are.
      >All the anti-vegan propaganda
      No such thing. The only reason people hate vegans is because they won’t shut the frick up about being vegan and trying to force everyone around them to be vegan too. You’re like furries or transexuals around kids.
      >is centered around fooling people to think that we are.
      Little Black person mutt hands typed this post

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      post your eyes

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      dogs aren't supposed to eat grass but they do it anyway

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >All the anti-vegan propaganda
        take ur meds schizo

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      A homosexual. Like this one. Godless homosexuals. We are omnivorse. Neither carnivore nor cattle.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cowards, mentally ill, devious by nature and unable to rational thought.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s Tarzan, a fictional character by Edward Burroughs. But if you think it’s rationalizing something anti vegan, he was actually raised by gorillas so he got that swole by eating leaves.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Actually Tarzan ate mostly raw meat, they knew he was human and required meat.
        Tarzan ate mostly fish & berries.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ones who are just regular people who happen to be vegan are ok. The obnoxious ones who make veganism a personality trait are insufferable.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Okay if required because of medical reasons or if it's your personal ethics. Or if you just want to be one who cares. But both vegans and carnivore diet shcizos who preach their diets and preach that humans are either carnivores/herbivores should not be seen as mentally stable and waste time talking with them

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Chow chows are great

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. People can do what they like but the preachers are awful.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    non-vegans are only triggered by them because non-vegans know that they are wrong

    t. someone who has been in an abattoir

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    if they feel good about it then im happy for them

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk but moxyte should definitely kill himself

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    People who hate on vegans as their entire personality are much worse than vegans themselves. There's a mentally ill subhuman here right now who probably posted the OP who bases his entire personality on hating vegans and crying about anything vegan. Picrel.
    t. not vegan

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      based on this thread the exact opposite is true

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nuh uh no u!
        >your post

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    my gf is a vegan, she cheats on it regularly though, even though i think veganism is dumb i'm more annoyed at her for eating meat occasionally because it shows a lack of commitment to her principles

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shows a lack of commitment to her principles
      You expected more from a woman?

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The people who do it for health reasons are just normal people who were mislead. The ones who do it for moral or other reasons are mentally ill.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Veganism is healthy by default since meat is unhealthy, and murdering others is psychopathy so if you eat meat you are mentally ill since the core of carnism is murder, violence and deat

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Source: Your ass.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Source for what? For meat being unhealthy is the fact that its saturated fat increases heart disease
          >Replacing the energy from saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat or carbohydrate appear to be useful strategies
          >greater reduction in saturated fat caused greater reductions in cardiovascular events.
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32827219/

          Also the people eating the most meat get more heart disease and mortality even in japanese population studies
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7737902/

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT ludites

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Surpassed by Ketotards as the most infuriating group on the internet. In other words, I hardly think about them at all any more.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have no problem with those who do it out of ethical reasons because they don't want to kill/harm animals. I disagree with them, but I can respect their decision.

    The ones I find really obnoxious, though, are those who claim that veganism is the ideal nutrition. There's zero scientific evidence for that, if anything, all studies in that regard have shown that veganism loses at least to vegetarianism in terms of health, and, if you compensate for other lifestyle differences, probably to an omnivorous diet as well, because there are simply some nutrients that you cannot get from plant based food alone.

    The second group of vegans are equally as annoying as the morons shilling "muh carnivorous diet" or "muh ketogenic diet". Is it really so hard to understand that humans are evolutionarily adapted to eating a broad variety of things and that therefore no extremely restrictive diet is correct?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot to post my body

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Piggybacking off this another group that are equally deluded and obnoxious are the "muh environment" types, they are dumb enough to believe that their mass industrialized globohomosexual food corps will save the environment

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're generally mentally ill and also incapable of distinguishing in-groups from out-groups.

    Like for instance, my wife and children are far more important than friends, which are more important than random citizens of my country, which are more important than random people, which are more important than animals.

    Vegans can't do this. So they care for animals about as much as their country, which is also why they're super pro immigrant and can't possibly see why someone not a part of your country is owed any less duty of care than a fellow citizen. Degeneracy is rampant as well, and the trauma due to collapse of the person's family is a common cause of veganism.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This anon put it better than me, it's something I've been trying to articulate for a long time. If the criteria for a group is infinitely wide and open ended, said group will cease to exist, and actual "diversity" will no longer be a thing, since all groups will collapse into a single globohomocattle category. I don't hate any other race or nationality, but distinctions must be in place or else we cease to exist as a nation.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans are moronic.
    Just eat a balance of everything but sugars and other slops.
    Simple as.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Low demand for meat might lower prices.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegan is the best diet for bottoming.
    Very clean poopy.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Us vegans will dominate the globe, even god will fear us.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honest thoughts on vegans:
    >it’s a natural human diet
    >here’s the cabinet full of supplements I have to take
    >I can’t get enough protein without eating processed powdered protein
    >it’s good for the environment
    >i just have to ship exotic fruits and veggies around the world to practice this diet, for my natural diet
    >it’s such a healthy diet, that’s why I look like I’ve aged 20 years in 4 years
    My honest thought is that they’re fricking moronic

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      My sister is vegan and he has no health issues despite not taking supplements. Shes pretty thin though, but a woman should be thin. The problem with anerican vegans might be food quality, because only vegan gays from places like California seem fricked up.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >My sister is vegan
        >he has no health issues
        Lmfao

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    gay morons with micropenises
    t. ex vegan but at least I was 17 so being stupid ain't an excuse

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >shitty vegan thread
    >op instantly starts screeching about MUH KETO MUH KETO MUH KETO MUH KETO MUH KETO MUH KETO

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's because we keep telling him to kill himself
      reminder to kys moxyte

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a single vegan whining about keto all the time. He's a redditor that goes by the name of moxyte, and he's the one calling everyone a ketolard and posting the same pictures over and over again. He's on a crusade here because he knows people who lift eat a lot of meat, eggs, whey, milk...etc and therefore believes this board is causing another Shoah. He has his own subreddit in which he posts screencaps from here and seethes about it with the same 5-6 people : https://www.reddit.com/r/ketoduped/

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >iamsilly.jpg

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honest thoughts? They place their own health below a hen's welfare in term of importance. That's all you need to know. They deeply hate themselves and others, yet they'll try to cope by claiming it's healthy or whatever despite all of them being frail with rapidly aging skin, and the majority of them quitting their "healthy natural" diet because it's an absolute nightmare to maintain, even in a heavily industrialized, comfortable Western society.
    It's a dangerous self-harm cult. Some of them realize that and quit because you'll never be vegan enough to them.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's amazing that we can easily tell a dogs mood. And that dog is sad as shit.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The pinnacle of humanity

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      who is this ugly israelite

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        guy who makes your shitty apps and you pay for them

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          People pay for apps?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a joke for you.

    >We to stop eating meat for the sake of the environment, the vegan typed from his smartphone.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t give a frick really, so long as they don’t treat you like thrash for eating meat or if they insist on forcing it on their kids or pets

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The most useful NWO slaves.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Arguing with a vegan is a waste of time because the ideology is religious in nature. The ideology is based upon the faith that hurting any animal is fundamentally wrong. If you remove that faith then veganism makes no sense. If there was objectively nothing moral about our food source, then meat and dairy would be a part of the diet because it’s objectively the best way to get protein. The vegans whole argument is “yeah but you can extract a molecule of protein if you blah blah blah”. It just comes back to the central point of faith that you either believe or don’t believe. You’d have an easier time convincing a Muslim that Allah doesn’t exist than convincing a Vegan that eating meat is fine.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You think that arguing with someone who eats meat isn’t also a theological debate? Almost everyone gets offended by the notion that what they are eating is “ wrong”. Objectivity is almost non-existent in nutrition. I am currently trying a WFPB meal plan, but I have struggled with the desire to eat truly healthy food since long before now.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do moral axioms = religious?
      There are tons and tons of moral axioms we live by daily (stealing bad, killing bad, harm in general bad etc. etc.), which we don't call religious in nature. Almost sounds like you are trying to undermine the argument by calling it "religious ideology hurr durr".
      Thing is: I can be healthy without eating animal products. Since that is the case, it would be immoral for me to harm animals purely for the sake of my taste preference. If I were sick and had to eat animals, I would do it. If I were stranded on an island with a pig, I would kill it and eat it if needed. I, however, live in abundance, and don't have to do these things.
      What is the difference, fundamentally, behind saying killing humans is wrong and killing animals is wrong? Both rely on the "faith" that those moral axioms are correct. Either you believe killing humans is wrong or you don't. Stop hiding behind this "muh veganism is a religion!!!11!", it is weak. I can respect disagreement, but to act as if this moral principle is qualitatively different to other moral principles is just dumb.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The origin of veganism (plant-based diet) is and always will be from religion, as it's nutritionally deficient and unsustainable and morally self-defeating so as to be worthless for anyone with actual morality. Only a religious zealot could choose to be vegan and push through the contradictory existence that provides. (One who destroys the environment and slays and genocides animals in environments destroyed for farmland portraying themselves as a righteous figure and protectorate of animals)

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The idea that individuals have value and should not be harmed or murdered is a product of religious thinking. Same with stealing. We just adopted these values outside of religion because they’re practical for building a society. There were societies in history that believed in “might makes right” and therefore believed it was morally justified to kill a bunch of people. There’s no LOGICAL argument you can use to prove that every human life has innate value.
        The idea that killing or harming any animal is just as religious. You have to take it on faith. Society just hasn’t adopted this value because the majority of people haven’t found a compelling reason to.
        >I can be healthy without eating animal products
        Even if this was true, you’re still expending a LOT of effort trying not to do so. I’m saying the best and most efficient human diet would involve a mix of meat, dairy, vegetables, and grains. The reason you aren’t is for your religious faith.
        The reason I’m pointing out it’s religious argument isn’t to discredit it. I’m saying it’s a religious argument because those arguments can’t be proven or disproven. Think about how we spent thousands of years arguing if there was or wasn’t a god. These vegan threads just shit up the board and are guaranteed 300+ replies because there is no way for either side to win the argument.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I can be healthy without eating animal products

        Lmao, no

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're usually just bleeding heart women. I've never met an obnoxious vegan or vegetarian in real life though.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Uninformed and morally ambiguous, probably for reasons of virtue.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    they probably fund and spread more misinformation than any other group I've encountered. Carnivore people are moronic but they don't really pollute academics with their bullshit. The fact that they're okay with lying to people even if it harms their health is okay so long it 'helps animal welfare' (which is the most nebulous and intangible thing to begin with) makes me treat absolutely anything they touch with immense distrust and automatic disbelief.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gf was vegan
    She slowly started adding dairy to her diet, mostly because she wouldn't have anything to eat while going out. She no west's cheese snacks, sometimes cheese pizza and yesterday tasted omelette for the first time in 7 years. She said she feels bad that she liked it so much.
    Makes me excited, maybe both will become full time dairy and eggs enjoyer.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't associate with them because their view of the world is fundamentally wrong

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I do not respect vegans or carni tards.
    I believe they're both moronic.
    Balanced diet chads always win.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm concerned that plant sources are less calorie efficient per gram of protein and whether they contain as many nucleotides and nucleosides (RNA/DNA). Otherwise I'd readily switch over.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think about them at all.

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    moronic virtue signaller attention prostitutes

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I spent several years playing along to investigate the food science, which is neat and I retain the gainz from it, but fundamentally I disagree with its philosophy due to necessary contradictions in its episteme.

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw slowly losing weight on diet of fruit and meat

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    there is a significant chance that I will die as someone who never tried veganism
    yet I feel like people in 300 years or so will remember our way of treating animals "inhumane". after energy transition, meat industry will also be the single biggest consolidated polluter in the developed world and in BRICS, and this will probably be around time when we will feel (manageable) effects of climate change, so there will be more pressure to reduce it too

    I am very certain these events and changes will take place, but still dont care enough to change my ways, and thats OK

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of vegans (like Dr Avi) are actually all for eating meat, as long as it doesn’t hurt or kill animals (ie pro artificial meat)

      He’s not as dogmatically moronic as other vegans on nutrition, he knows the studies about meat causing cancer or eggs giving you heart disease are overblown and badly done.

      he doesn’t argue about humans being genetically made to be herbivores or batshit crazy claims like that.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The fact is unless you're rich you're going to be trying a vegan diet very soon as animal products are about to get scarce and expensive

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    pretty based, I love meat but if they sold me some insect or veg based diet that was higher in protein and not full of estrogen I would switch. Im not so insecure my masculinity is tied to eating meat
    (Yes I sucked off a troony)
    Deep down though calorie restriction has been proven to make you mentally ill and caused keto tards a vegan arguing. Bunch of homosexuals in this very thread quoting each other saying post studies while the only thing we can know for sure is neither is getting any pussy.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree. All things being equal we probably shouldn't eat meat, at least not nearly as much as the average amerifat does currently. At the end of the day, you know none of these malding losers get any pussy. ATKSM4

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism is objectively good for our planet and for humanity, unless you argue in bad faith with arguments like "hurr durr but what if every human would eat 30 avocados per day it costs so much water"

    Having said that, I eat meat because it's nice and nutritious

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >le emotional argument that it good for planet despite not having evidence the planet can support the agriculture needed to support everyone going vegan, not to mention, being unable to support how it's "good for humanity" beyond you simply saying so
      WOW. My mind has changed

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Noooo its literally impossible for every human to get 2k calories per day from vegetables, rice, nuts and fruits
        >No it doesnt matter that farm animals need 15k-20k calories per day for years
        >Le

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >yeah guys like it doesn't take land to grow crops and there's limitless space and shit so therefore all 7 billion people could go vegan right now and we could really literally actually honestly make it work even though we haven't ever considered the logistics of it to be remotely viable before but trust us, we'd never lie to you!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >please listen to me even though I am too moronic to understand that growing less food requires less land
            >I am not aware of the major agricultural effort and logistics to provide animals with food and then ship animal meat across the world, why do you ask?
            Not to mention that the large majority of calories that people consume don't come from meat to begin with, but I think your brain might explode trying to wrap itself around that

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I swear it takes less land overall to grow vegetables because I once read a PCRM booklet on it!
              >I mean, even though the total volume of food you'll have to eat will be significantly more to get the same calories, I swear this magically means that you don't have to use as much land even though I can't really explain how this is possible guys!
              >I am totally ignorant that there are significant portions of the country where people get most of their meat, eggs and dairy from local farmers who don't trash the land they use, but since it doesn't fit my agenda, I have to imply everyone is a citygay who buys only processed shit and is fully dependent on shit being brought in from 1000 miles away because that's how I live myself!
              have a nice day, pls.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the only non-meat products that we can grow are low calorie vegetables
                >using half the country to grow corn and feed that to livestock in return for small returns of meat is the pinnacle of efficiency
                >I never leave my house and only argue to people on the internet, so everyone that disagrees with me has an agenda who spouts lies
                Please do a backflip on the way down, it'll be the most positive thing you've contributed to this world

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            They have gone over the logistics several times actually. We would reduce the amount of land use drastically on a vegan diet because of how much food we have to grow to feed and house livestock.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Don't care, never going vegan again.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >2k calories a day
          I'm not a woman or child. Also someone post the watercress cube.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >NOOOO YOU CAN'T BRING UP THE FACT THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO IMPORT MOST OF YOUR FOOD NOW BECAUSE HALF THE WORLD CAN'T GROW FRUIT YEAR ROUND AND CAN'T GROW RICE AND CAN'T GET YEAR ROUND VEGETABLES, EVEN THOUGH WE SAY VEGANISM IS FOR THE PLANET WHO GIVES A SHIT IF WE HAVE TO TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF GLOBAL SHIPPING AND POLLUTION, ITS SO MUCH BETTER THAN EATING MEAT ISNT IT GUYS?!?!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is honestly refuted alone by the fact that meat and dairy requires tons of more electricty because it requires more refrigeration than any other food, vegetables on the other hand require little to no refrigeration, so importing avocados actually ends up being cheaper and using less resources

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >If I say this because I believe it to be true, it automatically becomes true because who cares about all the pollution in the ocean, you'll use your freezer less, guys!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >replacing 10-20% of our food with food that we already consume will triple global shipping
            >meat doesn't get shipped and animal feed doesn't get shipped
            >I graduated from American high school trust me bro

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >le smug euroisraelite reply
              >believes you'll only replace 10-20% of food by eliminating meat and dairy
              Like clockwork for moronation

  43. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    As a former 10+ year vegan and someone who worked in the vegan products industry for over 20 years, I try not to think about vegans at all if possible. But here goes:
    >they're the most misanthropic fricks of all, who literally believe killing a bug is murder but that a mother should be able to abort a baby up to the day she gives birth
    >they're great at ignoring how much environmental damage their products do to the earth from buying fake meats that have ingredients shipped in from 2-3 different continents to another continent for processing and packaging and re-shipping via distribution and re-shipping to grocery stores and re-shipping again for those who order online. Literally, vegans all have a massive disconnect from reality as long as their favorite companies claim to be "eco-friendly" even if it's the total opposite in reality
    >they can't understand that it costs money to ship products and that not all stores buy at the same price so that they can't all sell at the same price. My days of explaining how the 6-person mom & pop shop I worked for couldn't offer Amazon's prices and free shipping fell on deaf ears almost every time because vegans can't bother to listen to facts, they live on emotion and it's always terrible
    >vegans move like the wind every time their "science" changes. 15 years ago, most all vegans were insistent that you'd have endless health problems if you consumed more than, say, 10% of your daily calories from protein. Now, EVERY vegan product is heavy on protein and vegans swear it's good for them. They simply believe whatever the marketplace and their gurus tell them
    >they're annoying as frick. I can't count the number of times I felt like committing suicide from having to listen to lonely vegangays sit and ramble at me about their feelings and beliefs for way too long while I was simply trying to help them get the products they wanted. Look, buddy, I'm not your friend or your therapist, I'm just here to take your order

  44. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    As long as they aren't annoying, I tolerate them.

    They objectively ignore nature and evolution to base a diet on feelings and emotion though.
    It's not healthier and it's not natural.

  45. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  46. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone should eat what they want and live how they want but they never stop fricking talking about it and how morally better they are which makes them obnoxious homosexuals.
    >SAVE THA ANIMALLLZZZ
    bro I dont give a shit about animals stfu you will never convince me

  47. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    animals are still more calorie packed for what they produce and consume, but yes, any sane and well adjusted person should be able to participate within this conversation, even if it ends up them eating meat like they do or reducing, changing their eating habits

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >animals are still more calorie packed for what they produce and consume
      blatantly false

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        no

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >animals are still more calorie packed for what they produce and consume

      You are right. Everytime an animal eats 100kcal worth of food, it permanently gains 200kcal worth of meat. Just like how humans permanently gain muscle after eating a chicken wing

  48. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Honest thoughts on vegans?
    I feel bad for them. They're coming from an honest place of wanting to do what is right. Too bad they're completely misguided and mindfricked.

  49. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    only realistic for middle age women who dont need any nutrients or K2
    but this bullshit is harmful if pushed on kids or adolescent boys

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      bullshit, also the highest source of k2 in the planet is literally fricking fermented söy aka natto

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Apart from animal livers, the richest dietary source of menaquinones are fermented foods (from bacteria, not molds or yeasts); sources include cheeses consumed in Western diets (e.g., containing MK-8 and MK-9) and fermented basedbean products (e.g., in traditional nattō consumed in Japan, containing MK-7).[citation needed] (Here and following it is noteworthy that most food assays measure only fully unsaturated menaquinones.[citation needed])

        MK-4 is synthesized by animal tissues and is found in meat, eggs, and dairy products.[18] Cheeses have been found to contain MK-8 at 10–20 μg per 100 g and MK-9 at 35–55 μg per 100 g.[12] In one report, no substantial differences in MK-4 levels were observed between wild game, free-range animals, and factory farm animals.[19]

        In addition to its animal origins, menaquinones are synthesized by bacteria during fermentation and so, as stated, are found in most fermented cheese and basedbean products.[20][non-primary source needed] As of 2001, the richest known source of natural K2 was nattō fermented using the nattō strain of Bacillus subtilis,[21] which is reportedly a good source of long-chain MK-7.[citation needed] In nattō, MK-4 is absent as a form of vitamin K, and in cheeses it is present among the vitamins K only in low proportions.[relevant?][22][better source needed] As of this date,[when?] it is unknown whether B. subtilis will produce K2 using other legumes (e.g., chickpeas, or lentils).[citation needed]

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          ok what are you trying to say

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Read the first sentence of my post

  50. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was vegan myself for a decade, ovo-lacto vegetarian before that. I got gallstones due to high cholesterol, became skinny from fat and back to fat and got very bad teeth. say 8 years in I started lifting and supplementing b12 via injections, those were great tbh. but a few years later I just stopped caring and I dropped veganism. I still get the ethical part and nobody likes to slaughter animals and wants to work on a pig farm. but for me I think there is something in animal products that I needs to function right. I still won't eat baby animals or cheap pig meat, so I became one of those hypocrits I despised when I was younger. (I'm GenX)
    I know a guy who is still vegan and except his teeth, is still healthy. had a blood test a week ago and even his t-levels appear to be great. (or he lied) he also nevver eats onions or tofu, he only eats lupin stuff.

  51. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is no exemption under the sun. We're all made of light and stars durst. We eat plants and by the other way plants eat us, light beings. It's a retrophagic cannibal system

  52. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care about them at all. If they want to do it they can as long as they frick off and quit trying to get me to join their cult. I know one who is a pretty decent guy, even comes to bbqs but brings a couple of his own nauseating plant bases patties to grill up, he's cool with me.

  53. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Honest thoughts on vegans?
    The diet itself is alright, used to be on a nearly vegan diet for a while because I was extremely poor, never had any deficiencies.
    Vegans as a people though are the most annoying beings to ever exist and their behaviour is the sole reason people shun the diet

  54. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not that meat is unhealthy. It's the burned oil and temperatures above 350°F used to cook the meat that is cancerous.

  55. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hope vegans supplement properly so they aren't malnourished, but I really don't like interacting with them since they (like liberals) always have to make such a big deal about their beliefs in some moronic bullshit that nobody ever asks about.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but I really don't like interacting with them since they (like liberals) always have to make such a big deal about their beliefs in some moronic bullshit that nobody ever asks about.
      Nobody asked for your political beliefs, stop making such a big deal about it in a moronic bullshit way nobody asked about.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Liberal vegan spotted

  56. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Animals are being eaten anyway so it doesn't matter if I do too

  57. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    based

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      the guy on the left because he's correct

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >arrogant, snake-like with average overweight dad physique
      >rebel consumer drug addict killing himself for a surrogate activity

      There are no heroes here

  58. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fine with vegans.
    I think 90% of people should be vegans.

    We shouldn't be killing animals to feed sedentary morons who would be just as happy eating bean burgers and oreos.

    If you do not look like you lift, you need an expensive meat license, and if you don't look like you lift after 1 year, the price doubles.

  59. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a niggette

  60. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    vegans, vegetarians, fruitarians, breatharians are all moronic

  61. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you just only eat veggies and shit its fine. The problem is most Vegan diets end up being just all sneed oil diets essentially

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