My grandad was consulting on civil engineering projects and climbing mountains and playing golf and living independently in his 80s.
Sorry you're a genelet who decays after 6 decades
And? There's a million other ways that you could die a slow, painful death. Some of these are not statistically insignificant. I don't agree with the above poster but expand your mind shrimp brain.
Not that anon- I've seen it and yes old age is hell. It all depends on the person of course but some people don't start really breaking down until like 80+. My grandfather is currently 96 and he didn't start having a really hard time until he turned about 90.
At any rate roids are also not guaranteed to kill you either. Having said that everyone has to do a risk/reward on their own. I see it as inherently Faustian. Besides being fraudulent and phony, it is potentially dangerous, and what you get out of it is inherently focused on narcissistic low brow pleasures. So yeah I don't consider it a worthwhile risk to take personally. In fact I do think less of people who roid, especially if it is in some amateur capacity that they do it. Professional people who roid are frauds. Amateurs who roid are not only frauds but morons.
I watched my uncle slowly die from liver disease in the hospital and it was painful to witness it. He only went to the hospital because he couldn't take care of his bodily functions any longer. I told him to try out a fasting plan to help cure the liver but he scoffed at the idea. His doctors told him there was nothing they could do for him. Near his final hours he was glossy eyed and mumbling gibberish. I feel like the hospital gave up on him and shoveled him into death. With the knowledge I have now, I would have administered NAC into his veins and taken care of him personally.
If you feel like being small is holding you back in life, then yeah you may as well hop on gear
i was a virgin til 18 then did 2 sarm cycles and became the biggest guy in high school and uni
now my body count is 4 and i attribute it mostly to being big and as a result being more confident
No, nuking your natural levels and putting your health at risk for free is for literal jannies. I would never blast unless I got a million $+ contract from a movie studio or something.
>Honestly is there any justifiable reason to go on gear if you're not interested in a professional career?
Considering 95% of people on gear do it because of body dysmorphia, I would unironically recommend a therapy first.
Lifting for any reason other than health and natty aesthetics is extremely degenerate. Steroids ruin your health, ergo it’s degenerate. Only gymcels with body dysmorphia thinks roided aesthetics beat peak natty aesthetics anyway.
I really don’t think most people who roid are going for roid look. They use it precisely to achieve peak natty tier with less effort. Being at the absolute peak is incredibly high maintenance. Gear moves the goalposts and makes it easier
>They use it precisely to achieve peak natty tier with less effort.
Well that's even more pathetic. Just lift you dumb Black folk and it will sort itself out.
That's pretty much it to be honest. Light steroid cycles can to an extent make up for bad genetics or limited amounts of training time. It makes looking good easier and running 500mg of test once a year isn't gonna ruin you anymore than the typical amount of alcohol, tobacco, shitty food, or other normie bullshit. If your going to have a vice, small amounts of gear ain't a bad one.
so you won't have to COPE that i'm bigger than you and got there in 6 months >inb4 health >inb4 infertility >inb4 tendons won't keep up
i'm just bringing my test back to the levels of nature. Look a the rate of test decrese over time and extrapolate that to before the industrial revolution. THAT"S the test level you should be at. Women know this. Normies know this. /fit coping gymcels and youtubers ignore this. Come back after watching liver king before you make an undeducated statement.
Not him but 120mg of test/wwek unironically fixed my depression that I've struggled with since a teen and I'm into my 30s now. My natty levels were in the low 200s.
Honestly is there any justifiable reason to go on gear if you're not interested in a professional career?
Yes. We live in a world of frauds pretending it’s genetics. From pro athletes to celebs to the guy at the beach. It’s kind of fricked up but it leaves the door open to do a moderate cycle look better than 99% of guys and have everyone except gym rats be clueless you’re on gear.
If you have no aspirations to compete (whether in BB, lifting or other sport), doing this is genuinely mental illness. You've got such a severe case of body dysmorphia that you need to ruin your health to push your physique beyond what's natural.
idk
I'm buying ostarine, a mild sarm
It will be just like lifting as normal, but with a boost. Stronger, gain less fat and more muscle when I bulk. It just adds to what you're currently doing. Then stop and let your body go back to normal. What's the bad part?
unless you're a pro body builder or a professional athlete using roids in the basest paradigm is simple vanity. there's nothing wrong with that - who cares? but it IS vain. then again, using roids to win mr olympia is equally vain, or using roids to beat the other football monkeys at running and pushing real hard and throwing real good is just moronic, and sad that so many elite athletes roid that the others have to do it to keep up.
That you're lazy and want immediate results without putting in the effort. It's mostly zoomies who don't look like Ronnie Coleman after a year so they just jump on PEDs.
/fit/-looking people make double the money of un-IST people. Not to mention the improved social circles, infinite sexual partners, being loved by society.
>ummm just leave me alone bro i mog you any ways bro frick off post body *dies of a heart attack*
peak natty is all you'll ever need unless you're competing in professional sports where all of your competition is also blasting shit
There is specific jobs that pay based on physical labor performance (physical labor, IE loading and unloading 54 feet by 12 feet cargo holds solo was something i did) was about 200 each knew guys who could do 3 to 5 a day on roids. honestly looking back I should have gone on gear and been making bank.
If you want to have a professional career in body building you cannot be on gear
YouTube/TikTok influencer is NOT a professional career
If you want to be a YouTuber or you just want to be stronger for any physical labor job I don't see any reason NOT to use gear
More people should use steroids
The israelites want you to be feminine
This is why steroids are legal and estrogen is in your food and water supply
I will only do it IF I am unsatisfied after years of hard training. I am doubtful of that so I am going to keep training.
Also I have a good chance of living long. Mom's side has many living into their 90's, while dad's side is similar.
Hopefully I don't get alzheimers or the nerve pinching issue.
Live fast die young, frick decaying in a hospital when you're 80+
My grandad was consulting on civil engineering projects and climbing mountains and playing golf and living independently in his 80s.
Sorry you're a genelet who decays after 6 decades
Wait until you watch an old person deteriorate in a hospital
Doesn't happen to my family. We aren't prone to chronic disease. No dementia/Alzheimers or heart disease in my family.
And? There's a million other ways that you could die a slow, painful death. Some of these are not statistically insignificant. I don't agree with the above poster but expand your mind shrimp brain.
the irony of this thoughtform suggesting I expand my mind
The very mind which he resides within.
humerus.
Do you think watching a young person deteriorate is somehow better?
Not that anon- I've seen it and yes old age is hell. It all depends on the person of course but some people don't start really breaking down until like 80+. My grandfather is currently 96 and he didn't start having a really hard time until he turned about 90.
At any rate roids are also not guaranteed to kill you either. Having said that everyone has to do a risk/reward on their own. I see it as inherently Faustian. Besides being fraudulent and phony, it is potentially dangerous, and what you get out of it is inherently focused on narcissistic low brow pleasures. So yeah I don't consider it a worthwhile risk to take personally. In fact I do think less of people who roid, especially if it is in some amateur capacity that they do it. Professional people who roid are frauds. Amateurs who roid are not only frauds but morons.
frick off, zyzzBlack person
All the "die young" morons start singing a different tune when they're actually at risk, I'm sure that line sounded really cool in your head though
moronic frick
Imagine getting mogged by ISTners that you hate in LIFESPAN. fricking kek.
cocaine and clenburterol and a heart condition had way more to do with his death than roids.
moron deserved to die
Everyone dies.
>frick decaying in a hospital when you're 80+
I watched my uncle slowly die from liver disease in the hospital and it was painful to witness it. He only went to the hospital because he couldn't take care of his bodily functions any longer. I told him to try out a fasting plan to help cure the liver but he scoffed at the idea. His doctors told him there was nothing they could do for him. Near his final hours he was glossy eyed and mumbling gibberish. I feel like the hospital gave up on him and shoveled him into death. With the knowledge I have now, I would have administered NAC into his veins and taken care of him personally.
If you feel like being small is holding you back in life, then yeah you may as well hop on gear
i was a virgin til 18 then did 2 sarm cycles and became the biggest guy in high school and uni
now my body count is 4 and i attribute it mostly to being big and as a result being more confident
What about your health? Are you still on gear?
no i only did those 2 cycles
got a blood test earlier this year and it looked great so i think im good
Honestly, good for you.
No, nuking your natural levels and putting your health at risk for free is for literal jannies. I would never blast unless I got a million $+ contract from a movie studio or something.
What are you a pussy? One blast of test isnt gonna do shit to you
>Honestly is there any justifiable reason to go on gear if you're not interested in a professional career?
Considering 95% of people on gear do it because of body dysmorphia, I would unironically recommend a therapy first.
Lifting for any reason other than health and natty aesthetics is extremely degenerate. Steroids ruin your health, ergo it’s degenerate. Only gymcels with body dysmorphia thinks roided aesthetics beat peak natty aesthetics anyway.
I really don’t think most people who roid are going for roid look. They use it precisely to achieve peak natty tier with less effort. Being at the absolute peak is incredibly high maintenance. Gear moves the goalposts and makes it easier
>They use it precisely to achieve peak natty tier with less effort.
Well that's even more pathetic. Just lift you dumb Black folk and it will sort itself out.
That's pretty much it to be honest. Light steroid cycles can to an extent make up for bad genetics or limited amounts of training time. It makes looking good easier and running 500mg of test once a year isn't gonna ruin you anymore than the typical amount of alcohol, tobacco, shitty food, or other normie bullshit. If your going to have a vice, small amounts of gear ain't a bad one.
for women
No if you don't care looking like you don't lift.
The obsession of wanting to look like you lift, ie you want others desperately to know how big and strong you are, is pretty pitiable.
You're both right.
so you won't have to COPE that i'm bigger than you and got there in 6 months
>inb4 health
>inb4 infertility
>inb4 tendons won't keep up
i'm just bringing my test back to the levels of nature. Look a the rate of test decrese over time and extrapolate that to before the industrial revolution. THAT"S the test level you should be at. Women know this. Normies know this. /fit coping gymcels and youtubers ignore this. Come back after watching liver king before you make an undeducated statement.
>Come back after watching liver king before you make an undeducated statement.
I almost took the bait.
I was worried 'extrapolate test decreasing back to 1760' wouldn't be obvious enough.
Because my life sucked before gear and I do this shit for suicide prevention anyway. If I drop dead tomorrow I'll have 0 regrets
Can you elaborate on this, anon? Is it because your test levels are higher that you feel better? Or is it just psychological?
Not him but 120mg of test/wwek unironically fixed my depression that I've struggled with since a teen and I'm into my 30s now. My natty levels were in the low 200s.
Nope. Risking your health and spending money to become less desirable, less succesful and an object of mockery
>less desirable
>less successful
>object of mockery
this seems like pure cope from your end
Lmao post physique
Yes. We live in a world of frauds pretending it’s genetics. From pro athletes to celebs to the guy at the beach. It’s kind of fricked up but it leaves the door open to do a moderate cycle look better than 99% of guys and have everyone except gym rats be clueless you’re on gear.
Except you dont
You're alone , probably work in a warehouse and women are repulsed by you
Always ironic how guys talk about women wanting validation when roid users are the exact same way. You are not free
No one is free. Anyone saying anything else is pure cope
If you have no aspirations to compete (whether in BB, lifting or other sport), doing this is genuinely mental illness. You've got such a severe case of body dysmorphia that you need to ruin your health to push your physique beyond what's natural.
idk
I'm buying ostarine, a mild sarm
It will be just like lifting as normal, but with a boost. Stronger, gain less fat and more muscle when I bulk. It just adds to what you're currently doing. Then stop and let your body go back to normal. What's the bad part?
unless you're a pro body builder or a professional athlete using roids in the basest paradigm is simple vanity. there's nothing wrong with that - who cares? but it IS vain. then again, using roids to win mr olympia is equally vain, or using roids to beat the other football monkeys at running and pushing real hard and throwing real good is just moronic, and sad that so many elite athletes roid that the others have to do it to keep up.
Be a swole ass waiter and looksfraudmog your fellow lower class wagies
manlet, ugly, to name a few. get some tats also
How long to build pic natty for somebody with average muscle building genetics?
That you're lazy and want immediate results without putting in the effort. It's mostly zoomies who don't look like Ronnie Coleman after a year so they just jump on PEDs.
No
/fit/-looking people make double the money of un-IST people. Not to mention the improved social circles, infinite sexual partners, being loved by society.
Who cares. Live your own life and make your own decisions. Seeking approval from strangers is a sign of homosexualry.
no
Roidtrannies still have no satisfying response to this.
>ummm just leave me alone bro i mog you any ways bro frick off post body *dies of a heart attack*
peak natty is all you'll ever need unless you're competing in professional sports where all of your competition is also blasting shit
There is specific jobs that pay based on physical labor performance (physical labor, IE loading and unloading 54 feet by 12 feet cargo holds solo was something i did) was about 200 each knew guys who could do 3 to 5 a day on roids. honestly looking back I should have gone on gear and been making bank.
No. Peak natty is where its at
If you want to have a professional career in body building you cannot be on gear
YouTube/TikTok influencer is NOT a professional career
If you want to be a YouTuber or you just want to be stronger for any physical labor job I don't see any reason NOT to use gear
More people should use steroids
The israelites want you to be feminine
This is why steroids are legal and estrogen is in your food and water supply
As you start aging 40-50+ it will greatly increase your quality of life and prevent injuries.
I will only do it IF I am unsatisfied after years of hard training. I am doubtful of that so I am going to keep training.
Also I have a good chance of living long. Mom's side has many living into their 90's, while dad's side is similar.
Hopefully I don't get alzheimers or the nerve pinching issue.