How are you supposed to progress on this stupid movement?

How are you supposed to progress on this stupid movement? I've been trying to do 12 unassisted for the longest time and I keep going down in reps, meanwhile my rows weight keeps getting better no problem. I can only do about 6 unassisted, every time the reps go up it goes back down again later. I've tried negatives which were fricking useless, plenty of variations which were all a meme, resistance bands which result in the same undulation issue and there's no machine for it in my gym.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Overhand only? Do lat pulldowns and progress on your reverse curls.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lose weight fatso
    Maybe try lat pulldowns to finish
    Maybe you are undertraining
    Maybe you are overtraining

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm 5'9 70kg.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        same sort of build and same problem. i can crack out maybe 10 first set, then 5, then had enough. it just feels exhausting but not in a muscle contracting way. but I continue to make progress in heavy lat pulldowns which is a favourite. it could be a psychological thing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A good option (at least on some of your pull up days) is to do lots of sub maximal sets in order to increase your total volume. If you can get 10 reps when you are fresh, then see if you can do 10 sets of 5 reps, with only a minute of rest in between. Make sure to really focus on your form to make each rep count. You can make them more challenging by doing extremely slow eccentrics, and adding a pause at the top.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is a really good idea and I can vouch for it. Also if he has just "had enough" then yeah it's psychological. Rest a bit longer and crank out a few more even if you don't want to.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's your grip strength. Pullups require so much grip strength it's always the forearms to give up first. So try to do just two minute hangs with a occasional pull up every quarter minute. Maybe even do one arm hangs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        5'8 85-90kg
        I recently broke my prior record of 2 sets of 8 with 5 sets of 8 by:
        >doing pull ups everyday
        >using straps (same day I broke my pb)
        As for the straps I just used 2 leather belts I had laying around. You might think that you're ok in the forearm department, as I thought so myself, but the help of grip is really useful, I dont really understand how it works exactly, but it's much better, you're able to go on for longer if your hands arent all fricked up.
        And as for the pull ups I did as some youtube video said where you multiply your max pull ups by 2.5 and you get the amount of pull ups to do everyday.
        Every 1 to 2 weeks you increase the volume.
        There'll be stages where you'll need rest, and that's totally fine, everyday frequency's objective is adding up qualiy volume, not challenging your discipline or whatever.

        Do them weighted. Why do people arbitrarily wait to progress on these? Once you can do 3 or 5 sets of fahve starting adding weight until you stall out. If you actually get stronger in the movement your bodyweight rep count will also increase.

        this also helped going from 5 to 8 strapless.
        I think my progress has been pretty bad because of the callouses.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rather than different variations, have you tried playing around with form? For example only perform extremely slow, perfect form reps until failure, or get as many as you can with acceptable form and then add a few more with shitty form?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you're probably doing something stupid

    glad I could help

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I am at 15 pullups. The only thing that worked to break a plateau was taking a break. You think doing more and more work and constantly going to failure will make you stronger, but you just start losing reps and have worse workouts.
    If I could only do 6 pullups then I would just do 6 pullups for as many sets as I could. I'd do those 6 reps until doing 6 reps becomes too easy and then move on to 7 reps. Right now I can do 15 reps and I will not even attempt to do 16 reps until 15 is easy for me. This worked for me.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I track reps for this kind of thing instead of strict hit or miss sets.
    Like say you do one set and get six reps. Wait 25-40 seconds rep out again. Failure is usually about half what the first set is and just keep adding mini sets until you've hit a rep goal that grows by one every time you do it.
    So like rep goal for you would be like 17 reps
    6:9(3):11(3):14:17
    Then shoot for 18 next session. It's a quick way to progress on lifts or movements you're stuck with a static resistence on.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what helped me improve was going for very clean reps only (if that means doing only 3 reps that you only do 3 reps) and very slow when in the negative.
    still took me a couple months to see improvements.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you can do 10 then add weight
    do 1 day weighted for lower reps and another day bodyweight only for higher reps
    I like to do 6-8 for weighted and 10 for bodyweight but my form will be on point on the bodyweight days

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the exercise basically requires you to be strong in proportion to bodyweight to do correctly
    do 1-2 sets to failure no added weight every other day, treat it as skill work
    use heavy ass cheat rows to actually build muscle, stuff like woolam rows, kroc rows, coan rows, they're all great, just don't waste time on "perfect form" rows

    one good thing about pullups is they push curls like crazy

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Within a year(we'll within I'm talking like around 6 months) of starting to do pullups regularly I could add more than a plate at ~200lbs body weight and could get mires pretty much any time I did them, there's no excuse you could have it down fast. Just do them. You're not too heavy i could do them even if I was 250lbs and they aren't impossible to progress. They're just hard which makes you not wanna give your all. More for me i gusss, I hardly ever to wait for a pullup bar to be free and competing against the dyels for a cable pull-down is a waste of time.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    More volume, in your case more sets.

  12. 1 month ago
    OP here

    Do them weighted. Why do people arbitrarily wait to progress on these? Once you can do 3 or 5 sets of fahve starting adding weight until you stall out. If you actually get stronger in the movement your bodyweight rep count will also increase.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    for fastest progression and somewhat higher risk: greasing the groove technique
    for actual progression with good technique, 4 secs up/ 4 secs down, forces you stop momemtum based swings (which is the reason you cannot progress, you are cheating on the form department by momentum)

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Google the russian fighter method

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