Nevermind I guess. The guy I knew was half black with white skin, so he had the african muscle to fat ratio with fair skin.
He was also a huge jerk to everybody who he was friends with but thats a different story.
It depends how far you are willing to get. Eating a ton of food and sleeping a lot will put on more size than steroids alone. If you are willing to bloatmaxx and then cut you can beat the FFMI test for gear usage but it takes a long time and you run the risk of loose skin.
I haven't done it but I read about old time lifters pre-steroids becoming bloatlord Oly lifters and then cutting after they quit the sport to become bodybuilders.
Same way you get big on them: lift a lot, eat a lot, sleep a lot. Just recognize that you're playing in a different league and there's no need to compare yourself to a literally inhuman standard and you'll be okay.
>Eating a ton of food and sleeping a lot will put on more size than steroids alone.
No.
175 (5'9) here living in the west. Many/most days I actually feel TALL around other men despite being about average height. 6'1 (your height) is pretty uncommon. 1 man in 20 maybe.
Pretty goddamn big, like accused of being on roids big. At most it'll take 10 years. But if you're dialed in on training and diet you should make most of your gains in under 5 years. Most people aren't that dialed in though. Roids are only needed to look like say Arnold in his prime or bigger.
That really depends on your genetics. If you have elite genetics you will be able to look like you are an average lifte on roids, but it will still require alot of work and sacrifices.
Dont forget that most people use PEDs just as a shortcut because they lack discipline, so you will be able to look quite impressive without roids if you fulfill the aforementioned criteria.
I think I'm close to my natty limit 6'0 195lbs
Going for 1 more bloatseason to get 200kg bench and then cut to see if I improve otherwise I hop on the sauce
Steroids are pointless unless you've been lifting like 3 years, at that point you're close to how big you can get so you can decide if you wanna roid or not.
35, scratching 36 boomer. Been lifting more than I ever did in my 20s (Never lifted and was skelly mode) so in that sense I'm doing a lot of progression. But I'm feeling slower, weaker and been suffering from mild ED. Gonna check my hormones next week to see if I'm missing something.
If my Test is fricked, should I push for a Test treatment? Aren't they just gonna say, it's natural to lose it
at 5'10" >175lb very lean in almost contest condition >200-210lbs at 25% bf
you will NEVER have more muscle than this natty. never. no matter who you are. not even they claim to be missing the myostatin gene. they're just a liar. you might get heavier than 210 but you will be fat as shit.
You can’t get big without steroids
Natty till 21, its genetics.
Who is this guy? I'm pretty sure I know him.
Its me, Alex son
Nevermind I guess. The guy I knew was half black with white skin, so he had the african muscle to fat ratio with fair skin.
He was also a huge jerk to everybody who he was friends with but thats a different story.
It depends how far you are willing to get. Eating a ton of food and sleeping a lot will put on more size than steroids alone. If you are willing to bloatmaxx and then cut you can beat the FFMI test for gear usage but it takes a long time and you run the risk of loose skin.
>Eating a ton of food
That will make you terribly fat as well
Post body
That’s not you, I’m not new homosexual. You wish you looked like that dyel camel fricker lol
So emotional and hostile
i can see your shlong
I haven't done it but I read about old time lifters pre-steroids becoming bloatlord Oly lifters and then cutting after they quit the sport to become bodybuilders.
Same way you get big on them: lift a lot, eat a lot, sleep a lot. Just recognize that you're playing in a different league and there's no need to compare yourself to a literally inhuman standard and you'll be okay.
>Eating a ton of food and sleeping a lot will put on more size than steroids alone.
No.
Nah he's right. If you stay at maintenance or on a deficit year round, but take roids, youd have better gains natty just eating more
> Eating a ton of food and sleeping a lot will put on more size than steroids alone
You’re genuinely moronic anon.
Sincerely, A guy who’s done steroids and actually knows what they are capable of
go find out moron
If I've reached this mode have I achieved the natty limit? Should I just blast gear?
homie that's dyel mode
Out of curiosity, how did they train chest back then? I know they weren't super into it but I'm sure they still did something
Loads and loads and loads of push ups, in different variations.
Pretty big, unless you're a really tall lanklet giraffe skellington (185cm+)
Who the frick is below 185cm? Where do you people live? I'm from the Balkans and 185cm is the manlet cutoff height in 2022.
t. 185
175 (5'9) here living in the west. Many/most days I actually feel TALL around other men despite being about average height. 6'1 (your height) is pretty uncommon. 1 man in 20 maybe.
Damn bro. I feel short at 190 (6'3) but my family is all almost 7 feet
Pretty goddamn big, like accused of being on roids big. At most it'll take 10 years. But if you're dialed in on training and diet you should make most of your gains in under 5 years. Most people aren't that dialed in though. Roids are only needed to look like say Arnold in his prime or bigger.
25 FFMI @ 15%
24 FFMI @ 10%
My biggest was 110kg with ~20% bf
110kg ohp 180kg Bench
That really depends on your genetics. If you have elite genetics you will be able to look like you are an average lifte on roids, but it will still require alot of work and sacrifices.
Dont forget that most people use PEDs just as a shortcut because they lack discipline, so you will be able to look quite impressive without roids if you fulfill the aforementioned criteria.
I think I'm close to my natty limit 6'0 195lbs
Going for 1 more bloatseason to get 200kg bench and then cut to see if I improve otherwise I hop on the sauce
if you are actually natty frick you
>those pecs
>natty
lol ok
That was with a sick chest pump I have to admit
Steroids are pointless unless you've been lifting like 3 years, at that point you're close to how big you can get so you can decide if you wanna roid or not.
35, scratching 36 boomer. Been lifting more than I ever did in my 20s (Never lifted and was skelly mode) so in that sense I'm doing a lot of progression. But I'm feeling slower, weaker and been suffering from mild ED. Gonna check my hormones next week to see if I'm missing something.
If my Test is fricked, should I push for a Test treatment? Aren't they just gonna say, it's natural to lose it
If it's legit low, no they won't. They'll treat you. Trt kinda sucks though if you don't need it. Pinning never stops sucking
I was in a similar position to you, anon and my test came back at 505. Low enough to make you feel run down but too high for trt. Good luck.
505 is fine. You shouldn't feel run down unless you have fricked up SHBG or some shit. 100-200 is some real shit tho
at 5'10"
>175lb very lean in almost contest condition
>200-210lbs at 25% bf
you will NEVER have more muscle than this natty. never. no matter who you are. not even they claim to be missing the myostatin gene. they're just a liar. you might get heavier than 210 but you will be fat as shit.