Seriously, a sedentary, unathletic male body looks disgusting, it's an insult to nature. Why would any woman in her right mind sleep with these disgusting specimens?
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There aren't enough IST bodies to satiate all of them, so they settle for dyels while hunting for Chads in the meantime
This. Woman brain works likes this:
>Chad: For pumping and dumping me
>Average Joe: For settling with after riding the wiener carousel for many years
If you are Chad, you can never have a gf since they will assume that you only want them for sex - they will never trust you to stay with them because they are insecure.
If you are average, you can have a gf but she will be a used up roastie by the time you get her.
This is how the dating world is now.
They are funny and not miserable like you
/thread
>this guy has a pudgy belly and noodle arms but he's le funny, I want to frick him!
Do women really think this way?
>i dont understand how women think, anyone know why im a virgin?
They want a relationship with him, most women date and marry men they aeen't sexually attracted to. Then they hang out qith me, drop hints their bf has a small dick, I frick them. Women can have their cake and eat it too.
the hilarious part about beta males with their relationships is that it can be blindingly obvious their gf is sleeping around and they just don't see it
remember when I was at my cousin's party, her boyfriend is this manlet dyel skelly, she was chatting up a chad the whole time, then went to "walk him home" and disappeared for 3 hours. the boyfriend didn't catch on to it even once, I was dumbfounded
>this guy has a pudgy belly and noodle arms but he's le funny, I want to frick him!
>Do women really think this way?
yea
No they think
>this guy is funny I want a relationship with him
Then qhen they have sex she closes her eyes and imagines that her favorite actor is the one fricking her with his lean muscular body and handsome face for the 5 minutes (yes this is the average male time to ejaculation) it takes him to empty a tiny load into his small sized condom. Then she takes a shower and browses instagram.
Wow that's bleak
women are moronic. Why are you acting so surprised?
yes.
yes, this is how it works. and guys who are fit AND funny are gigachads who get most pussy
Yes, but you must be over 180 cm
No women are extraordinarily vain and will frick you if you look good enough and arent a spazz
Meh, it's pretty age dependent. Vanity peaks in late teens but once a qoman hs been fricked a lot she usually just looks at how you act and if you remins hwr of they guys who fricked her the best she'll let you frick her evwn if you'rw bald fat and ugly...
spbp
how can I become not miserable?
just bee yourself
>He fell for the personality meme
Someone post the graph where it shows that people aren't having sex anymore
This, 30% of men between 18 and 30 are virgins. Doesn't even count those who use hookers or purely lied
How accurate is that statistic tho?
Is this men in America or the whole world?
I don’t think every man was asked if he was a virgin or not.
Is this virginity or just not having sex in a year?
>How accurate is that statistic tho?
>I don’t think every man was asked if he was a virgin or not.
room temp iq detected. do you seriously not know how statistics and polling works?
>This, 30% of men between 18 and 30 are virgins. Doesn't even count those who use hookers or purely lied
are you sure that isn't just "men who were celibate during the past 12 months" ??
>30% of men don't socialize and just spend every weekend at their parents house, or on IST, or watching youtube videos, or playing video games
Many such cases
>30% of men don't socialize and just spend every weekend at their parents house, or on IST, or watching youtube videos,
all of these describe me at 30 years old lol there is no salvaging me.
don't give up, I'm making progress again even after stalling for years at 30. You can learn to give up bad uses of your time and develop new habits. You can learn to start socializing and how to find places to socialize.
wrong. this
It's not just men, women are also having less sex. Although the decrease is not as dramatic as with men.
This is scientifically calculated to be the male body type that women desire the most.
Calculated by scientists built like that holy kek cope more dyel gays
It certainly is the male body type that I desire the most, but I’m not a woman
Two
Are the scientists transexuals who use discord?
>Aka discord trannies
You must be smoking some good weed to make such an absurd statement
I unironically agree with you and tbh I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but I am
Bodies like aren't 'average'. You people are crazy. Picrel is feminine, sexy in its own way, maybe some chick is into that. That's one thing. The average body is either skinnyfat or fat, and there is NOTHING redeemable about either. It's not cute, pretty, dominant, nothing. When I see or think of a skinnyfat body I think of genetic failure. And that's average.
I'm honest with you all when I say I have no idea why women frick that. No, really. It's disgusting.
I actually do hate skinny-fat bodies for the exact reason you described. It doesn’t fit into any type of appeal category, it’s not masculine, not even feminine, not sexy, but also not cute, not dominant it’s just a blob that’s not good for anything.
> Societal value.
> High standing job.
> Shared interests.
About that.
shut the frick up troony, the most attractive male body for females is like a triathlon/surfer/wrestler type.
Sorry guys i meant "men" instead of "women"
>This is scientifically calculated
The calculation:
>can i get away with blatantly lying to the general public?
This is a child, you are a pedo, and if I find you, I'm ripping your face off
Go back basedboy
Yeah my bad, I mistook you for /misc/ tier degens like me
That's how I looked when I was 22 you skinnyfat frick
Status, personality, and your social group all can come into play.
Single men do feel very unwanted though. Sometimes when I'm really down I wonder why society doesn't kill off all losers, at least until I can cheer myself up again. Feels bad man. Don't give up.
Because women aren't as vapid and shallow as you, which is saying something considering how vapid and shallow most are. How does it feel to be worse than a woman?
Not him, but I take care of appearance and still feel unwelcome everywhere I go. The world is just very lonely these days. You can attend places in public to meet people but there's always the feeling that everyone's plan is to return home to their private lives, which won't include you in any way.
You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on you to make you forget that fact.
>You're born alone and you die alone
so close yet so far. the logical conclusion should be nobody will come to save you so come and save yourself
stop eating PUFAs and seed oils
Because they try
I remember at the end of senior year of high school I sent my crush a snap saying that I thought of her when jerking off the past 4 years. And she replied back with nudes. She was really hot and skinny and had huge breasts and an amazing ass. I fricked her over a dozen times over the next few days and then we dated the rest of the summer. She wanted to break up with me before we went to college though because she wanted to frick whoever she wanted to. Even though we were going to the same college. I told her I didn’t mind and we could stay together while she explored herself.
This actually wasn’t as bad as you all think because we still had a healthy relationship even though I saw her getting triple teamed on her snap story a couple times. Eventually I started talking to this other girl in a dancing club I joined, and I had sex with her. When I was honest about having sex with the dance girl my summer girl blew up on me and dumped me. I didn’t think it was fair but whatevers. Started hitting the gym after that.
Cool story bro
>even though I saw her getting triple teamed on her snap story a couple times.
Nice larp gay. For a minute there I thought someone on IST might actually be chadding.
Fake and gay.
This is a genuine example of mental illness. Take heed and beware.
Same way you do.
have a big dick, simple as
How the frick did you score a fit b***h?
He literally told you
but I unironically have a HWD and it does nothing for my dating life except complements after ive fricked one girl in my life
Don't be a sperg then
Who even cares about what women want anyway
It’s all about face
Women are shallow, son. Simple as.
I had good-looking women as a super DYEL, but my attractiveness increased way more after getting in shape. Everything depends on the situation, you know? Getting women
>how do unattractive men get laid
>women are shallow
are you a fricking moron?
He's right, though. Unattractive men are able to appeal to certain types of women's shallow sensibilities outside of their aesthetic shallowness towards men's bodies. For example, by being funny or making a lot of money or having a pretty face.
they generally don't. a late 20s-early 30s roastie will sleep with the average male to snag him and then occasionally to keep him around. after he's conditioned to her presence she stops entirely.
it's ALL about the face
I don't understand how he is hot. I can understand for men like Brad Pitt or Henry Cavill but what about him is that attractive?
Do you really think the average woman is delusional enough to think a guy who looks like young Brad Pitt would even look at them? You're right that guy is kind of ugly, but look at the pig faces he's talking to.
guess they got something you don't
I am 28 years old and I never even kissed a girl
I'm 28 years old and I haven't had any intimacy with a woman for the last 8 years. I'm not a virgin.
I'm a 24 year old volcel and I don't care
i dont know man when i was younger i was basically dyel and skinny and i bagged some prime beauts because i was funny and charming. my body was pretty embarrassing but it didnt matter cuz like i wasnt fat
dont know. wish i knew
started chatting up some girl at a concert; hung out with her. then after the show i say lets go some where, she says no and goes home; gives me her insta. dm her on insta, nothing
i should kms
>started chatting up some girl at a concert
How did you do that, I've been to countless concerts and tried to talk to many girls, never got even a single kiss let alone contact and a date
i said something to her and she said something back. most of hte time they say nothing back
Women don't care for muscle,pretty face is all that matters
Cope
No u
you’re coping thinking a slayer DYEL couldn’t easily frick your girl lmao
go look at jeffrey dahmer, getting fan mail despite being a goddamn serial killer rapist just because b***hes think he’s handsome
height and race too
Height and race barely matter if your face is good. As long as you're above 5'5 then if your face is a 8/10 you'll have 0 problems getting laid
When it comes to physical attractiveness, women usually care about a handsome face more than the guy’s body. So very rarely will women go for a male butterface.
Personality and charisma comes before physical attraction though.
Because unattractive guys make an effort to be likable in order to attract a girl
status > gymcelling
>so Anon, what do you do for a living...
>me? Oh, I'm a terrorist. Want to come over to my place and look at my plastic explosives and diagrams of communications centers and governmnet buildings?
Status, based.
Women fear poverty and single motherhood. They will do anything to avoid both at once. Including settling for men with good jobs or milquetoast personalities.
Same reason people eat fast food. The amount of attractive fit men is much lower than the amount of attractive girls at healthy weights.
If you have a 7/10+ face and can see your abs you can have anyone you want, it's a buyer's market and you get to be picky man.
>If you have a 7/10+ face and can see your abs you can have anyone you want, it's a buyer's market and you get to be picky man.
Seriously though... I have both of these but women don't want anything to do with me. I have zero contact with women, I tried the ole' "make eye contact with her then approach her" but I can't even get one woman to look at me or make eye contact. My phone is dry, I can scroll back in my messages as far back as I want and there are ZERO women in there.
I'm about to just exclusively frick hookers instead I guess, I live in Europe so it's all fine and legal.
how do you know you have a 7+ face
Pheromones. Sometimes women get a wiff and want to frick.
Do pheromone colognes work?
Socialmaxx.
Unlike you they actually talk to women
I agree and this is my fundamental problem with the incel dilemma. the average male body is fricking disgusting. If I were a girl I wouldn't touch a DYEL especially a skinnyfat with a 10 foot pole. Seriously, look at the average guy you see walking around. Fat slob piles of shit. Imagine having to frick that guy. Horrifying stuff
Uhhh did you forget all womrn are horribly insecure trainwrecks?
And yet the women still frick them but not you. Must really tear away at you.
It's so god damned funny how stupid this board still is when it comes to this shit. Still too fricking moronic to understand that looks aren't everything for women. You guys get jacked and think you look hot but your absolutely abhorrent personalities repel all people, women included. The average/DYEL guys can actually get along well socially with them, something people on IST will never understand.
This is truth
Yeah you're right in a way bro. But, assuming you're charismatic looking like the average female sex fantasy means you don't have to worry about anything except
>Do I want her?
If looks didn't sell actors would all be ugly and fat my man.
Assuming equal personality, the hotter guy always wins.
your stuff doesnt have much to do with my point. of course women like attractive guys, but women value a lot of things other than looks, especially personality/sense of humor/etc. you see all over this board guys who are fit, should be attractive, but cant get anything besides hookups because women use him for his body then realize he's an autist and bail on him.
and call me crazy but i dont think a guy coming on this horrible website to rage about how unfair it is that dyel guys get sex at all probably has a great personality that draws people to him
Well yeah obviously. Everyone hates complainers. When a man complains about anything evwryone cringes. If op wants a gf maybe he should stop being a b***h, my advice.
most jacked guys are manlets or ethnic or ugly face or all hree
how do I socialmaxx? I kinda hate talking to people.
Seriously guys can anyone recommend a book or a yt video that explains how to actually be charismatic without any blue pill bullshit? I think in my opinion tho you're either born charismatic or not I've seen a lot of autists who I know if they try to be charming they'd come off really cringe.
>i need a book or yt video to tell me how to be charismatic
yeah man im sure that will go well
How would you teach a pig to fly?
Stop caring about being charismatic, stop caring how you’re perceived, stop giving a shit what people think, be a good person and you’ll be fine
I used to watch Charisma on Command in college but they went overboard with capeshit and other normiebait in the intervening years.
It is how you're raised. If you have NEVER been charismatic you never will be,simple as that. And trying to be charismatic will always be obvious and cringe. Dont force it. I can be very charismatic but that doesn't mean I feel the need to be 'performing' all the time. Dont be a monkey, do what you want and things will work out. Usually the problem is ur insecure and dont see ur own value (maybe u have none). Try to stick to reality
>yip yap yip yap
They don't, nobody ever get laid, ever.
This unironically
>I'm no greek God
Yeah, because Greek gods kneel before me. What an absolute loser mindset this guy has. If you're not the best, you might as well just have a nice day. If you're not a God, you're just another slave.
The guy's a billionaire so he probably does get some Greek God looking guys to kneel and suck his dick
> Women are more than twice as likely as men to lack interest in sex when living with a partner
It’s kind of a weird dichotomy that I can’t quite articulate. Women are more likely to overlook flaws in appearance when selecting a partner but at the same time they’re more likely to lose sexual interest in that partner. At the end of the day a man wants to have sex and will usually lower his standards if he’s not destroying his brain with porn. Women seem to not have that same urge once they fulfill the need to have a committed partner
Please fren.
I've been on IST since 08'.
But I'm new to IST beyond the sticky and the occasional post.
What's a DYEL?
I picked up HWD.
DYEL = do you even lift
"do you even lift" was a very popular meme and punchline for a long time, see google or whatever
Because as I and many others keep telling you, as long as you're not disfigured your appearance doesn't actually matter very much
>This fricking thread
You guys don't seriously buy the "le looks don't matter" bullshit right? I mean you can make up for shit or average looks but don't be fricking naive. It's like you guys are over correcting over what lookism gays have been pushing the past few years.
no one is saying that looks dont matter. of course more attractive guys are more likely to get more attractive women. but it is quite normal to see guys with girls a bit out of their league, and usually that boils down to their personality being good.
>and usually that boils down to their personality being good
For women you can make up for looks like this: Status>Height>Personality
Don't get these spergs hopes up they not gonna get laid being their fricking jester atleast not on its own
>but it is quite normal to see guys with girls a bit out of their league, and usually that boils down to their personality being good.
The thread is asking an even more bold question... it's not "why do women settle for less attractive men" but rather why would any woman find sedentary, unathletic males attractive AT ALL in the first place?
You can chalk it up to simple hatred of one's own gender, but I agree that most men do look pretty gross if they are completely sedentary.
For me? I was funny always made them laugh. I play guitar and they like that. I was sociable enough and knowledgable enough for good conversation, and entertaining enough for people to have fun talking to me giving me more attention. Girls like when other people pay attention to you, its half the reason their panties get all wet for stage performers.
Most women don’t care about muscles and you have brainrot from being on here all day
I don't know, clearly you are the supreme gentleman who deserves prime pussy.
>a girl won't look at me
>"it must be your personality bro"
I'm not even given a chance to prove myself.
>I'm not even given a chance to prove myself.
not him, and I'm sorry to hear that. It hurts me as well and It is okay to feel pain about the situation. Please try to find cracks in any thoughts you have about meeting women being impossible. We aren't going to give up. If you've feel like you've been through hell over this you are already a hero to me.
Well, I don't live in the city, so I can't just casually go to cafe for a coffee and play numbers game by chatting up women. That would require driving for several minutes. It would become obvious I'm there to pick up women.
Wtf, how do they know you drove there?
They can always ask, right? Not to mention I don't know the city well.
What if she wanted to your flat, because she thinks you're local, but actually live somewhere else?
>oh no, us meeting wasn't natural, he came here to pick up women!
as long as you have a reasonable excuse for being in the city
>I'm going to this vinyl record fair
>catching up with my mate later today
>I'm going out to see an art exhibition
>going to a special vintage clothes shop that's only out here
shit like that which you can easily strike up more conversation
Thanks. I suppose lying helps in life.
Not to mention at most I can just have a polite conversation, I'm not getting signals she is interested in me, so I'm not trying flirting. I have done so when I was younger and I just ended looking like a creep.
>Not to mention at most I can just have a polite conversation, I'm not getting signals she is interested in me, so I'm not trying flirting. I have done so when I was younger and I just ended looking like a creep.
Don't give up. This past week I've had luck going to meetups and social events, but it didn't feel like anything changed in my brain until the 5th event. There is wide variance in how "social" these events are, and some are much more conducive to random chatting than others.
The first 4 "dud" events were still useful though, because you know what? IT GAVE ME SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT AND INVITE PEOPLE TO. I've never asked a stranger for their contact info before, but yesterday I got someone's number so that we could attend the next festival. I literally just said "I'm looking for someone to attend the next one with, would you like to go? How about you give me your number?" The preceding conversation wasn't stellar either, it was a very shitty group conversation in a noisy bar, but this person had mentioned that going to festivals was something they liked to do when the group was taking turns answering the question "what do you do for fun?"
Also, more to your point: the older I get the more I don't care about pulling the trigger for dates or cold approach. Like frick, consequences won't matter if I'm all alone in the end anyways. I find comfort in scripting my exit/rejection strategy. In my experience, women are too kind to call you a creep, but if they did you could give them a very weird/confused look and politely say "I get the picture. Have a nice day". Your natural desire for sex, relationships, and being known by other people is NOT in any way harmful, evil, or creepy. Being misunderstood is something you have to be willing to walk away from, knowing that 1) their impression is false, 2) it won't kill you, and 3) you can talk your way out of it should anyone else hear from them.
women want to frick guys who make them feel safe or who make them laugh. being shredded is only a bonus in their eyes. a sixpack is literally the same as nice breasts. good to have but youd frick that b***h even if she had A-cups
Idk anon her nose is kind of big but the in your face femininity of her massive breasts cancels out that masculine trait. Maybe having muscles/a six pack does something similar for men with flaws
yes it does. but its not enough to be a substitute for the rest. you can get away with being less of a chad if youre ripped. you cant get away with being an unfunny, useless, worthless shitter if youre ripped
They take chances.
just be black
>How do average DYEL men get laid?
Its simple, I don't
Because women are moronic. I was fricking more girls when i was a opiate junkie than i am now that i’m fit and have a job
Either girls had lower standards or they really dig dangerous types.
I got laid more before I started lifting.
That said I started being substantially more bitter and standoffish around the same time after briefly dating a fricking psychopathic vril vampire.
I get laid less but my standards have also risen drastically.
I'd rather eat one filet mignon than 10 skirt steaks.
Nothing feels better than waking up after a night out without some fat sow sweating in your bed.
Preach, on the flip side making a hot chick bend to your will also feels pretty good.
I have no idea. Looking back at how I was when me and my gf started hooking up just confuses me, especially since she's outrageously good looking herself
Every time I meet a new group of 25-35 year old men it occurs to me that any guy who's even slightly got his life together (by 1950-2000 standards) would stick out like a sore thumb. The average guy under 40 is,
>fat, skinny, or skinnyfat
>living at home or paying a mortgage on some tiny apartment
>in a pretty poor job where he still has minimal responsibility
>mentally ill or highly sensitive in some way
good fashion, a decent haircut, alcohol, drugs, charisma
Beats sleeping with a mentally ill frogposter. Wild shit, I know.
I got the most pussy of my life when I was 20lbs overweight and smoked like a chimney.
its funny as frick that zoomers actually think you need to "improve yourself" to get laid
dont something like 90% of all people end up ahving kids? do you think they are all doing something special?
>dont something like 90% of all people end up ahving kids? do you think they are all doing something special?
it's amazing what self-hatred will convince you of though, and how it will say you are unfixable
>dont something like 90% of all people end up ahving kids?
In recent times 60% of men have procreated. You are being massively lied to by the "theres someone for everyone"
The average woman is overweight, ugly, and terrible in bed. That's like saying
>it's funny as frick that zoomers actually think you need to "improve yourself" to have a job
>dont something like 90% of all people end up having a job
Yeah, not everyone wants to work at Burger King their whole life.
Lol 30% of men age 18-30 are virgins or effectively virgins (no sex in years). That doesn't apply in the modern era, that number is closer to 50%
Women like exciting men. Being fit isn't a replacement for being fun and interesting dude, it's a solo hobbby.
Because there are woman that are ugly autistic and fat too.
Way I see it, self-confidence. I don't mean the macho braggadoso way, more like (as generic as it sounds) owning who you are. Yes, it really does come down to being urself.
And numbers. More girls you talk to, the bigger chances some chick likes your overly self-conscious ass
>le personality meme
This is why I'm going to looksmax and lift, my hopes is that once I look like a Greek god it won't matter to women that I have the personality of sandpaper
personality will always matter