>How do i lose weight? >It's easy bro.

>How do i lose weight?
>It's easy bro. It's just CICO*
>You can literally lose weight on pizza** if you just get in a calorie deficit***

*Metabolic rates might apply.
**If any factor including diet effects the amount of calories burned then this doesn't disprove CICO because it's still CICO. It just is okay.
***You know you're in a calorie deficit when you lose weight

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eat less, fatty.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eat less, fatso.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's all true though

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If it's all true that means that CICO is a pointless advice. Because your diet can effect the CO part.
      And your diet can effect metabolism which in turn effects the CO part.
      And you only know the CO part anyway by weighing yourself.
      There is no relevant application of CICO

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What? You literally just listed reasons why CICO is perfect and the only thing that works because it's not a constant, the CI and CO parts are variables. Literally every single application of CICO is relevant.

        You are telling me that you won't lose weight eating 500kcal a day if it's just from pizza?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is a great example of CICO double speak
          Thanks for providing it
          >CICO is perfect because CI and CO are variables so it's literally a meaningless term
          >but CICO still works because muh 500 calorie pizza diet

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You were the kid that asked the teacher what number the X and Y were in (X * Y)2 = X2 + 2XY + Y2

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >look i can do basic math
              I know you CICO people are very proud of that.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>look i can do basic math
                You, evidently, can not

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >There is no relevant application of CICO
        Just reduce your portions until you start dropping weight. Where's the issue?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Just reduce your portions until you start dropping weight. Where's the issue?
          Carnivore here, I stalled out on weight loss hard for a long time and started losing weight after INCREASING my portions. CICO as a weight loss diet is bullshit because it just tells people to restrict endlessly until they reach their goals but does not take into account the effects of the type and amounts of food on metabolism throughout the body. Your body can slow, stall, and pause many processes to reduce its energy usage to very low amounts, and it can also ramp up many processes to increase energy usage to very high amounts, including the ability to simply burn off excess energy as additional body heat.

          In response to this, I often hear, "CICO says nothing about health! It's only a principle of weight loss!" and to that I say that's exactly what makes it nothing more than a useless bullshit platitude. Your body is not a closed system nor is it static, what you eat greatly impacts how your body behaves and calories mean very little to any of it because your stomach isn't a furnace. Yes, of course you can TECHNICALLY lose weight eating low enough amounts of anything, but you'll end up wrecking your metabolism and starving yourself into weight loss. If you change what you eat you can lose weight while eating to complete satiation. You only have to go hungry if you're eating a diet of bad foods.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Carnivore here, I stalled out on weight loss hard for a long time and started losing weight after INCREASING my portions.

            What weight did you stall out at, how much more did you lose after increasing your calorie intake, and how long did all that take?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm 6'0" and started at 280 lbs. When I started carnivore I followed a protocol that basically called for eating until completely stuffed 3 times a day every day for 2 weeks (designed to get your body accustomed to a different way of eating and load up on lots of nutrients you're likely deficient in). During this time I didn't lose any weight but also didn't gain any weight despite essentially over-eating daily. I was tracking my calories, I ate around 4000 calories each day and my only exercise was daily half hour walks in the morning, but no weight gain.

              So then I was adjusted and figured I should start cutting back to actually lose weight and started eating less and less. It worked fine for a while, like 2 months, then the weight loss slowed and eventually stopped at 270 lbs. I kept reducing my intake and even alternate daily fasting, but no progress for another couple months. I did more research and stumbled on the idea that eating more on carnivore can improve metabolism, so I gave it a shot and started eating more. I wasn't stuffing myself like I did in the beginning, but I never let myself go hungry, and that's when I started losing weight within just days of starting to eat more, amounts that all CICO calculators would call maintenance or slight surplus. I haven't looked back since. The weight loss is slower this way, but it's more steady and I feel very energetic all the time unlike when I was restricting heavily.

              You can run the numbers yourself if you're curious. My daily food is:
              Breakfast
              >6 eggs
              >6 slices of thick bacon
              >1/3rd stick of butter
              Lunch
              >6 eggs
              >1/3rd stick of butter
              Dinner
              >half pound of beef
              >1/3rd stick of butter

              Pic related is the total food I ate yesterday compared to what a BMR calculator says my calorie usage supposedly is. I am currently LOSING weight eating this way daily. And again, only going on a 30 minute walk each morning for exercise. The numbers are there, clearly CICO is missing something.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >260 lbs
                I'll take advice from you after you get down to a reasonable weight.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                BMR is the calories your body needs to maintain it's current size without any exercise. If you were in a coma, you would need 2100cal to not lose weight. Any exercise you do increases your TDEE. I'm not reading your fucking blog post, but if you're losing weight eating all of that far it's probably because you're still eating under you're TDEE with your exercise. Without carbs your body is going to have a tough time building and maintaining muscle. You're also lacking micronutrients. You're going to have to continually lower your caloric intake as you lose weight or you will plateau.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if you're losing weight eating all of that far it's probably because you're still eating under you're TDEE with your exercise
                I posit that what's happening is my food choices are increasing my metabolism. My body is much warmer all the time, for instance, than it was when I was restricting calories. My problem with CICO is that both CI and CO are WIDELY variable, CO can be influenced by CI and also by exercise and also dietary choices and on and on. Just boiling it all down to generalized equations and numbers doesn't give you the real picture of what's going on. Good job completely missing my point, though.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >shitting out claories isn't CO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't shit out calories. When you eat real nutrient-dense food like meat and eggs it gets processed and absorbed much more completely because 99% of it is digestible. I shit much smaller amounts less often eating this way, which confirms to me that my body is not wasting anything I'm feeding it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't shit out calories
                *blocks your path*

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Allow me to clarify: I shit out fewer calories than someone on a standard diet. I take a small shit once a week, I promise you that the losses from that are minimal.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine the imminent heart failure.

                Holy fuck bro, tell me you are trolling.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not trolling, that's how I eat daily and I feel better than I ever have. Obviously the meat is not always steak, usually it's ground beef.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Damn, you are plugging your arteries eating that rubbish saturated fat diet. This kind of “manly” diet is why men in the 1950s and 60s routinely had heart attacks in middle age

                You can be fit, lean, etc, and still fuck up your cholesterol and blood levels.

                If you are already eating mad lad levels of meat and eggs, get some fucking avocados and olive oil in there and cut the butter.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                2650, is lower than what a 280lb man needs to sustain that, before that you were probably eating 3500-4000+ naturally, I was eating that much when I was 230 last year. Any weightloss stalls are water retention, miscalculation of cals, or change in daily activity.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >2650, is lower than what a 280lb man needs to sustain that, before that you were probably eating 3500-4000+ naturally
                Anon, try actually reading. When I started at 280lbs I was eating close to 4000 pounds but not gaining or losing weight. Then I took my calories down lower and lower and lost weight quickly until it stopped. Then I INCREASED CALORIES and RESUMED LOSING WEIGHT.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                dude you've been dieting for like a month, at the starting line and saying cico is bullshit & preaching carnivore, who the fuck knows why your shit fluctuated it could be a million reasons, literally the ketoschizo meme. I actually lost 60lbs and only have 10-15 to go doing cico while you're still at the starting line claiming carnivore is the holygrail.

                Bottom line is you're losing weight because you are under BMR which is cico. Keep your calories the same, change the food, you'll get initial water retention from glycogen, fiber in gi, and you'll still lose the same weight week to week fatso.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Like I’m gonna listen to a fat fucking idiot about weight loss. I lost 50 lbs over 6 months by eating less and intense cardio 5 days a week. That doesn’t even take into consideration of recomping since I was lifting and had a high protein intake. have a nice day you fat lard

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Weight loss doesn't prove CICO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                God damnit I’m sorry I was so foolish

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You got hit with a lot of NPC and Hylic posts, but there is a legitimate concern about your diet: excessive amount of processed meat consumption. I advise research. Check the studies that compare regular meat consumption to processed meat consumption and then see where you want to go from there. In my opinion, this amount of bacon is putting excessive nitrates and preservatives into your body and, in consequence of that, through your colon. I'm concerned about cancer. There are cleaner meats to eat.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You probably have a point, and I appreciate your concern. Maybe I will look into alternatives.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Where's your dietary fiber?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is none, and it's not necessary. I poop just fine without it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is nitrate and nitrite-free bacon, if that's a vital part of the routine. Good luck to you on your improvement.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Holy fuck imagine taking nutritional advice from this unit.
                Lol, lmao.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >carnivore here

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Your body is not a closed system nor is it static
            This is the point.
            This why fx you can take medication that makes you gain weight.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is fucking bullshit dude.

            Go on a 1200 calorie diet as a fattybum and you will almost certainly start to lose 5-10 lbs. a week.

            People shit on it but I recommend Huel, makes calorie counting easy and don't let soijak memes stop you using a good weight loss tool.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Go on a 1200 calorie diet
              CICO promotes outright eating disorder level dieting as their proof of CICO. kek
              Why not 500 calories?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Under 1,200 you start running the risk of serious muscle loss due to not consooming enough protein. 1,200 is widely recognized as a lowest safe calorie intake threshold.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Im consuming 150-170g of protein on a ~1500kcal diet. I find it hard to believe that 1200kcal would literally put me suddenly into deathbed. Not saying it's optimal for muscle preservation let alone growth but you can EASILY get over 100g of protein on 1200kcal.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Would it hurt to atleast add 200 more calories?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >eating disorder level dieting

                It is actually true that there are some risks to lowering your calorie intake tok much and too quickly. But BEING obese is also a risk.

                I would say that if you're clinically obese, the harm you're doing to yourself by staying that way is so bad, a 1.2k or even 1.0k cut can be justified to get some momentum going.

                Once you're no longer obese, you might moderate to 1.6k.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Obesity being unhealthy doesn't prove CICO.
                I know that should be obvious but you never know with you CICOtards

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >never even counted his calories just went off portions
            > know nothing about his lifestyle or other changes
            > carnivore

            I lost 60lbs this year all cico, variety of foods, carbs, fats, healthy food, junk like chocolate, the only rule I had was stick to 1500 calories.
            I have 10-15lb more to go and my plan is still just cico because I know it's going to work, I eat this much I lose this much by this time.
            If you stall in weightloss it can be water weight, weight can rapidly climb and drops 6lbs in 2 days because of water retention.

            I don't even get why you'd try and trash cico, if you actually did it for a month you'd see it works. maybe it's this autistism of trying to find a perfect superhuman diet people sell you where you can eat unlimited food and not get fat when really it all comes down to naturally eating less because of the diet.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Try reading the following post where I go over what I eat daily and how CICO claims I should not be losing weight:

              https://i.imgur.com/UIEbafd.png

              I'm 6'0" and started at 280 lbs. When I started carnivore I followed a protocol that basically called for eating until completely stuffed 3 times a day every day for 2 weeks (designed to get your body accustomed to a different way of eating and load up on lots of nutrients you're likely deficient in). During this time I didn't lose any weight but also didn't gain any weight despite essentially over-eating daily. I was tracking my calories, I ate around 4000 calories each day and my only exercise was daily half hour walks in the morning, but no weight gain.

              So then I was adjusted and figured I should start cutting back to actually lose weight and started eating less and less. It worked fine for a while, like 2 months, then the weight loss slowed and eventually stopped at 270 lbs. I kept reducing my intake and even alternate daily fasting, but no progress for another couple months. I did more research and stumbled on the idea that eating more on carnivore can improve metabolism, so I gave it a shot and started eating more. I wasn't stuffing myself like I did in the beginning, but I never let myself go hungry, and that's when I started losing weight within just days of starting to eat more, amounts that all CICO calculators would call maintenance or slight surplus. I haven't looked back since. The weight loss is slower this way, but it's more steady and I feel very energetic all the time unlike when I was restricting heavily.

              You can run the numbers yourself if you're curious. My daily food is:
              Breakfast
              >6 eggs
              >6 slices of thick bacon
              >1/3rd stick of butter
              Lunch
              >6 eggs
              >1/3rd stick of butter
              Dinner
              >half pound of beef
              >1/3rd stick of butter

              Pic related is the total food I ate yesterday compared to what a BMR calculator says my calorie usage supposedly is. I am currently LOSING weight eating this way daily. And again, only going on a 30 minute walk each morning for exercise. The numbers are there, clearly CICO is missing something.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                calculator isn't 100% accurate at determining BMR, you might be exercising, walking around at work, or just have a higher natural BMR. 280-260 is baby shit, 1 month of weightloss, you can lose 10lbs in 2 days just on a slight deficit because of water.

                Why are you even on carnivore at 280lbs, instead of just trying cico for a few months you're looking for some dumb magical diet off the bat.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                dude you've been dieting for like a month, at the starting line and saying cico is bullshit & preaching carnivore, who the fuck knows why your shit fluctuated it could be a million reasons, literally the ketoschizo meme. I actually lost 60lbs and only have 10-15 to go doing cico while you're still at the starting line claiming carnivore is the holygrail.

                Bottom line is you're losing weight because you are under BMR which is cico. Keep your calories the same, change the food, you'll get initial water retention from glycogen, fiber in gi, and you'll still lose the same weight week to week fatso.

                I like how you both assume this must be the first time in my 33 years of life that I've ever attempted to lose weight through diet.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I assume you have attempted but not tried to lose weight. Two distinct things

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Attempt and try are synonyms. Attempting to lose weight and trying to lose weight are literally the same thing expressed with different words.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Attempts are passive. Trying implies active. Which fatties aren’t

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have to be active, at all.

                Seriously any fatties browsing this thread: really do try meal replacement shakes simply for the convenience and easy calorie counting. You can get the shit either as a powder or ready-to-drink in a bottle.

                400 calories a serving. One bottle each for breakfast lunch and dinner. Swallow it down. It really is almost too easy, just don't fucking cheat or give up! You can lose 5 lbs. or more a week just sitting on your ass in your chair. Although walking is a good idea.

                Just do it, do it right now. You won't regret it, I didn't.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >carnivore here
            Stopped reading there guaranteed pseudo science snake oil salesman enjoyer

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Carnivore here

            Thanks for starting with that so that I don't have to read the rest of your retarded shitpost.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cico works but you would be miserable and retarded to not utilize endocrine system optimization with fasting and metabolic windows, and satiating foods like potatoes and saturated fats.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        CICO is not a "thing". It's just basic logic. Not a new way to live, not a fade diet, not a training program.
        CICO is just the law of conservation of energy applied to human body. I don't know why IST keeps trying to argue about it. Fork put-downs work because they just do. If you're not losing weight you just don't put it down often enough. Simple as.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Fork put-downs work because they just do
          So it Forks in Forks out? What is it?
          Are you CICI or FIFO ?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's FIFA

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. CICO is the underlying physical law, not a diet in itself. There are multiple ways of achieving a caloric deficit, but this basic law still holds true. The only knowledge we can derive from it directly is that absolutely no person on earth is incapable of losing weight if they eat in a caloric deficit. Whether you get to that by simply eating smaller portions, less calorie dense foods (I'd recommend the latter to avoid micronutrient deficiencies and constant hunger) or even via cardio doesn't matter from a perspective that's purely focused on weight loss.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The only knowledge we can derive from it directly is that absolutely no person on earth is incapable of losing weight if they eat in a caloric deficit
            How do you know your eating in a caloric deficit?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone can lose weight if they are losing weight
            wow thanks great advice

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Don't want to be fat? Then don't lol you idiot. Big lazy dummy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This post is pure mental gymnastics in action. I can't believe there is somebody else on Earth who is earnestly arguing against the notion that if you eat less, you will weigh less.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >arguing against the notion that if you eat less, you will weigh less
          Yes i think you will lose more weight on a balanced 3000 calorie diet than on a 2700 potato chips diet.
          Call me crazy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes i think you will lose more weight on a balanced 3000 calorie diet than on a 2700 potato chips diet.
            Either way, you're still losing weight. One is just more efficient than the other. Call me crazy.

            Also, that number of calories is typically for bulking. There aren't that many people who eat that amount to cut. Funny you should use it as an example.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >One is just more efficient than the other
              So it's in fact not CICO
              Or it's CICO*
              *some diets might CO more effective than others but that doesn't disprove CICO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What mental gymnastics are you pulling off to try and redefine the very basic idea of "Calories in, calories out?" If you put less calories into your body, and you expend more calories than you put into it, you will lose weight. Yes, there are other factors to consider but why are you so determined to overcomplicate the issue? It doesn't make you look any smarter - quite the opposite, in fact.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                "CICO" completely sidesteps the glaring issue with the modern food supply. "Just eat less bro :)" doesn't work.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"CICO" completely sidesteps the glaring issue with the modern food supply.
                Not denying that at all.
                >"Just eat less bro :)" doesn't work.
                How did I manage to go from 220lbs (100kg) to 175lbs (80kg) when I started counting my daily calorie intake and limiting it to no more than 1600?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Weight loss doesn't prove CICO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mind.
                Blown.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                lmao

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                CICOtards: All 1600 calorie diets will cause you the same weight loss because it's CICO
                me: No it wont
                CICOtard: okay but then why did i lose weight on a 1600 calorie diet?
                Me: that doesn't prove CICO
                CICOtards: LMAO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                keep moving the goalposts and you'll burn some calories and lose some weight (as long as you don't overeat)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >CICO: All 1600 calorie diets will cause you to lose weight
                FTFY

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Am i have a stroke right now or you just an idiot?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How long did it take you?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                About 6 months.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >and limiting it to no more than 1600?
                lol
                lmao even

                This is your brain on CICO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How can you not believe CICO after this guy lost weight on a 1600 calorie diet.
                That should settle the debate right there.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because I probably eat twice that amount in real food while you're autistically counting calories of ultraprocessed shit and hating your life.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was being sarcastic

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                lick my taint

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It can be as simple as counting the calories if you go low enough. You're just overcomplicating the issue.

                >nooo diet is complicated.
                This is the entire appeal of CICO.
                It's for brainlets

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You gain weight at both these levels, fat tard

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes i think you will lose more weight on a balanced 1500 calorie diet than on a 1200 potato chips diet.
              I fixed it for you you're eating disorder having CICO brainlet

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >arguing against the notion that if you eat less, you will weigh less
                Yes i think you will lose more weight on a balanced 3000 calorie diet than on a 2700 potato chips diet.
                Call me crazy

                nah you'd lose more on junk food but less calories, but water weight from salt would keep you higher. 1500 calories of whole food or junk, if I eat 1500 I'm starving & still losing that same weight.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >my metabolism makes me a fat cunt
        Count calories for a few days. I guarantee you are eating 3000+

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eat less, move more fatso.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the CO part
        bro the only CO part you know anything about is COping

        eat less mate

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bro

          Eat

          Less
          You're not helping anybody

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm helping you because I coped just like you, I consulted several experts to know my food intolerances, I tried all kind of diets (keto, paleo, vegan) but at the end of the day the only thing that mattered, no matter the diet, was counting calories.

            I still do a couple of months on keto here and there because I like the feeling and yes I believe you can lose some weight even if you eat at a slight surplus if you're not shredded but is it optimal?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm talking about your reddit spacing you dumb gay

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                try to leave some space in your jelly belly fatty

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is that all you got? Literal cope

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You didn't list carnivore so you didn't try all of them

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Listen here you absolute retard. Calories are a measurement of energy. You use energy to move your body, the more energy you consume the more energy you must expend. If you don't expend it you store it as far. Simpe as

        Energy in/energy out
        If you don't get the energy out you store it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Calories are a measure of heat energy put out by burning food. Your stomach is not a furnace, calories are not analogous to how your body uses food for energy. It's a very antiquated way of thinking about things that sticks around because the junk food lobbyists love to promote CICO since they can say, "Eat our literally addictive junk food, just eat a little less!" The food companies don't want people eating healthier, there's not nearly as much profit in that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your stomach extracts a certain amount of energy from each type of macronutrient by taking it through a process, just like how a furnace extracts heat energy from wood. It is very similar.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not at all. Your stomach (more accurately, your whole gut) breaks down and extracts nutrient compounds from the food you eat and utilizes them as components in processes. They're building blocks, not some pure energy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and when it breaks those things down through a standardized process, it gets some standard energy value out of them depending on what kind of molecule they break down into, and the total energy being based on how many grams you put in that results in each type of molecule, which is alot like when you burn wood you get a certain amount of heat energy per g of wood burned. Really simple stuff.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Building a house is just like a wood-burning furnace. You see, when you spread mortar over a brick and place another brick on it, there's friction that produces a small amount of heat, JUST LIKE A FURNACE! And when you drive screws into wood or drywall there's even MORE heat, which is why lighting wood on fire is the same as screwing wood together!

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The body will store fat at the same rate at all times under any and all conditions no matter what
          >simple as

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Because your diet can effect the CO part.
        nah not really, any changes to metabolism through food would be negligible.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eh just take 2.4 semaglutide. Easy as fuck to lose weight. People don't realize that drugs are the key to easy success - take adhd medication for adhd, weight loss medication for weight loss, and steroids for muscle gain. Trying to do everything yourself is a waste of god given time (which is not replenishable).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >fatties are really coping this hard
        It is literally impossible to not lose weight on a calorie deficit.

        >*Metabolic rates might apply
        Your metabolic rate affects your baseline calorie expenditure by a tiny amount and even if it were some massive difference, if your body somehow burns 500 calories less than normal people during the day, then reduce your intake by an additional 500 calories. It's simply another factor to account for.

        >***You know you're in a calorie deficit when you lose weight
        It is extremely simple to enter your height, weight, and daily activity levels into a calculator and be given an very accurate estimate of how many calories you need to lose weight. This is not something that takes years to figure out....if you give it a try and haven't lost weight after a week, you adjust it. If that's too much work for you, well, that's to be expected since fat people are also lazy people.

        Nobody cares if you lose weight or not. If you choose to reject the advice people give you then that's on you. You're not hurting anyone but yourself by making endless bullshit excuses. At the end of the day, you're the fat one.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It is literally impossible to not lose weight on a calorie deficit.
          How do you know you're in a calorie deficit?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How do you know you're in a calorie deficit?
            count calories you fat piggy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You lose weight
            No lose weight eat even less.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It is literally impossible to not lose weight on a calorie deficit.
              >How do you know you're in a calorie deficit?
              >You lose weight
              Wow so it's impossible to not lose weight when you lose weight.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It is literally impossible to not lose weight when you're losing weight

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >if your body slows and stops metabolic systems to reduce your calorie expenditure just keep reducing your calories until your body is functioning at such a bare minimum that it literally can't be reduced further without death
          Good plan. I'm so sorry I doubted CICO!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >fatties really think that their body has dozens of systems in place to maintain their obesity regardless of caloric intake
            >this guy literally thinks that if he eats less, he will die from "reduced metabolic systems functioning" before losing weight
            all i hear is cope cope cope

            >It is literally impossible to not lose weight when you're losing weight

            Your body requires a certain level of caloric intake to maintain your current weight. If you eat more calories than you need, they are stored as fat and you gain weight. If you eat less calories than you need, your body burns stored fat to make up the difference and you lose weight.

            You can cry all you want about the nuances of how this system works but if you eat below maintenance you will lose weight and no amount of crying will change that. I understand that you want a complicated excuse because it's hard to deal with the fact that literally all you need to do to lose weight is eat less and yet you somehow still can't manage to do it, but that's the truth.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eat less, fatty

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You got the skinnyfats rustled. The general mantra of CICO is true, being that eating more means gaining more, and losing more for eating less. No shit.
        The part that CICOtards will vehemently defend is the idea that "a calorie is a calorie" and that you can live off of junk food and still remain skinny.
        It's technically true, but it's also willpower hell and you will be pretty malnourished, to say the least.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes ofc i'm not saying that you wont lose weight if you starve. At some point you will.
          But "a calorie is a calorie" means that diet doesn't matter. But they go back and forth on this. They can't make up there mind.
          Itt i've called a fat retard for
          >not believing CICO literally
          >for implying that CICO should be taking literally
          Funny how that works

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >McCoy's chips 529kcal
      >500ml coke 210 kcal
      >chicken breast 550
      >Unknond sandwhich, similiar brands say 400
      >Starbucks could be anythi ng, the upper limit is around 400 though
      Running a total of around 2100 not 1600

      >Just reduce your portions until you start dropping weight. Where's the issue?
      Carnivore here, I stalled out on weight loss hard for a long time and started losing weight after INCREASING my portions. CICO as a weight loss diet is bullshit because it just tells people to restrict endlessly until they reach their goals but does not take into account the effects of the type and amounts of food on metabolism throughout the body. Your body can slow, stall, and pause many processes to reduce its energy usage to very low amounts, and it can also ramp up many processes to increase energy usage to very high amounts, including the ability to simply burn off excess energy as additional body heat.

      In response to this, I often hear, "CICO says nothing about health! It's only a principle of weight loss!" and to that I say that's exactly what makes it nothing more than a useless bullshit platitude. Your body is not a closed system nor is it static, what you eat greatly impacts how your body behaves and calories mean very little to any of it because your stomach isn't a furnace. Yes, of course you can TECHNICALLY lose weight eating low enough amounts of anything, but you'll end up wrecking your metabolism and starving yourself into weight loss. If you change what you eat you can lose weight while eating to complete satiation. You only have to go hungry if you're eating a diet of bad foods.

      >"CICO says nothing about health! It's only a principle of weight loss!" and to that I say that's exactly what makes it nothing more than a useless bullshit platitude.
      You're missing the most important element, losing weight is healthier than actually eating healthy by a massive factor
      You could do nothing but eat McDonalds and Coke and will have better health markers than if you were fat and eating the theoreticly best possible diet

      There are actually only 3.5 factors that provide an universal health benefit:
      >Losing weight
      >Exercising
      >Eating Fiber (this has no upper limit)
      >Low LDL (which might be because Fiber reduces it, the science isn't clear on it yet)

      >CICO does not take into account the effects of the type and amounts of food on metabolism throughout the body.
      Metabolism plays almost no role, food also doesn't with the exception of protein which loses around 20-30% of it's kcal when converting it into energy
      Something that does is subconscious exercise (twitching, foot tapping, etc) that seems to affect the calories out part, this is genetic and explains why some people will remain the same weight regardless of what they eat, they adjust their amount of calories burned by this "process"
      It's really weird and only recently started to receive attention

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You're missing the most important element, losing weight is healthier than actually eating healthy by a massive factor
        >You could do nothing but eat McDonalds and Coke and will have better health markers than if you were fat and eating the theoreticly best possible diet
        obesity being unhealthy doesn't prove CICO.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I keep on cico-ing as much as I like

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't realise you were a moron, i guess i wasted my time writing all that
          >obesity being unhealthy doesn't prove CICO.
          It doesn't, but this does:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant; it is said to be conserved over time.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolated_system
            >In physical science, an isolated system is either of the following:
            >1. a physical system so far removed from other systems that it does not interact with them.
            >2. a thermodynamic system enclosed by rigid immovable walls through which neither mass nor energy can pass.
            So your saying our metabolism is one of these?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Conservation of energy describes CLOSED systems. The fact that your skin is in contact with the air already changes the equation due to the body's need for temperature regulation as the ambient air leaches heat from your skin.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              TIL you can absorb and use energy through your skin, so if you just breathe and sit in the sun, you should be able to maintain your weight.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Metabolism plays almost no role, food also doesn't
        If your body has excess energy it can put it to all sorts of uses. Increasing body temperature, growing hair and fingernails faster, replacing more skin cells, pumping your heart more strongly, all sorts of hormonal cycles, and innumerable other internal metabolic processes which can be ramped up and down based on what you're eating and how much of it you're eating. Your body is not a wood-burning stove and what you eat can play a huge role in how your body behaves internally, which then changes how much food it needs, and so on. CICO is such a small fraction of the whole picture it's completely meaningless. It uses numbers to make it feel very exact and mathematical but your body does not work that way.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          These assertions are testable hypothesis and have been tested and determined to be false. See the Gary Taubes NuSi study.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This. I am tired of constantly arguing with guys that some people can eat absolutely nothing for weeks and still not lose weight.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They use more energy than you. While sitting at the computer or watching tv they might constantly be moving an arm etc which all accounts to their total energy expenditure

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>You can literally lose weight on pizza** if you just get in a calorie deficit***
    I have done it and I'll do it again, cope more fat ass

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    imagine being too dumb and fat to follow the simple advice to eat less and move more
    yet you come here everyday complaining that cico doesnt work
    its really simple fatty you just dont want to

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's funny that CICO people call me dumb for pointing out that diet is more complicated than just counting calories.. You're the simpleton

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It can be as simple as counting the calories if you go low enough. You're just overcomplicating the issue.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah bro, just eat half the bag of chips and use willpower to not eat more 😉

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk i did cico and it worked for me. people are fucking retarded

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I ate the exact same shit that made me fat i just limited it to 1600 calories
    >Ofc had i changed my diet to more healthy food it would've made 0 difference because all that matters is CICO
    >But even if it would've it doesn't disprove CICO anyway

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you changed to healthy food you would have been a lot healthier but lost the same amount of weight yes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you morons not understand that the healthiness of a diet and its weight loss potential are two separate aspects? Of course it's better for your health to eat 1500 kcal of veggies and lean meat per day instead of 1500 kcal of hamburgers and pizza. You'll get all the micronutrients you need and eat enough volume not to feel hungry all day if you stick to the former diet, while probably developing serious deficiencies on the latter. However, that doesn't mean that both diets won't cause approximately the same amount of weight loss, because they contain the same amount of chemical energy. Yes, there are small metabolical adaptations (usually less than 5 % of total energy expenditure) to the other health aspects of food as well, so they might not be exactly identical down to the gram of fat lost, but that doesn't mean that counting calories and advising people to eat in a caloric deficit isn't useful.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe these people who complain about weight loss and how "Oh I just can't lose weight even though I am trying so hard!!!" could finally lose a few pounds if they would eat something green that doesn't come in mcdonalds bag, and go walking outside more than 2 minutes a day

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      no they just need to eat less mcdonalds
      that's the only logical solution
      put down the fork

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Vegetables are a meme and toxic to humans. Cucumbers and tomatoes are fruits in the other hand which you can mix with avocados to make a salad.

      >inb4 you call me fat
      See pic related. I am 0.2 points being underweight for my height

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        we already debunked the whole antinutrients thing. how toxic are they? vinegar is acidic but not enough to cause damage.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eat kess, move more fatty.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have never seen a thin person deny CICO

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hi, I am thin

      https://i.imgur.com/vpJ2Ztp.jpg

      Vegetables are a meme and toxic to humans. Cucumbers and tomatoes are fruits in the other hand which you can mix with avocados to make a salad.

      >inb4 you call me fat
      See pic related. I am 0.2 points being underweight for my height

      I deny CICO

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here you go. Now you've seen it

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You can literally lose weight on pizza** if you just get in a calorie deficit***
    Pic related lost 50lbs just by taking the excess grease off of the top of his microwave pizzas.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >grease makes you fat
      >that proves CICO

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The grease is the most calorically dense part of the pizza. Removing it meant he was consuming less calories from it than he normally would have. Also he was still eating less than his Tdee just in pizza.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Metabolic rates
    Eat less fatass

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you think seed oils are bad and you have the research to prove it, you are effectively disproving CICO, as that research shows that the type of fat you eat, not energy balance, can lead to significant changes in metabolic health.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop engaging with fatties. These threads are 100% just to troll, nobody is genuinely this retarded after being presented with facts.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nutrient availability is part of CI. Energy expenditure through digestion is part of CO. Hormonal impact is part of CO. Yes, plotting a trendline through a scatterplot of your daily weight measurements will give you the rate of weight gain/loss. Anything else you need explained?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So if you in the middle of that scatterplot changed your diet (same amount calories) to a diet that increased hormonal impact of CO you would then get a different rate of weight loss. Even though you're eating the same amount of calories.
      That's what you are saying right?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Im not that guy but whatever you just said would have like 20-30 kcal difference. Muh hormonal impact and all other bullshit is just pseudoscience at best. You will never count calories that accurately anyways since it's impossible to know EXACTLY how many calories something has despite the label and how much you burned running 60 minutes. That's why people bulk and cut on a ~500kcal difference give or take and adjust it accordingly.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Im not that guy but whatever you just said would have like 20-30 kcal difference
          I don't agree but i can understand someone would believe CICO if you believe this. At least you're being honest in your argument.
          >you can't accurately count calories anyway
          Is that an argument for CICO?
          I didn't bring it up myself but again to me that count against CICO.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you change the composition of your diet and that has an effect on your BMR through changes in hormone levels, you need to make a new plot. It might change your outcome in weightloss, but that's just a change in CO manifesting. You're arguing against a strawman that reduces CICO to nothing but the calories on the label and the sum of the BMR you got from some website and a rough estimate you made through some fitness tracking app. You didn't measure the difference between calories ingested through food and excreted throigh fecal matter, you didn't measure your oxygen consumption at rest or while exerting at a specifoc Wattage, you didn't have bloodwork done. You don't have all the relevant data and you think you guessing your CICO wrong means thermodynamics and endocrinology are wrong. You are a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          meant for

          Can you morons not understand that the healthiness of a diet and its weight loss potential are two separate aspects? Of course it's better for your health to eat 1500 kcal of veggies and lean meat per day instead of 1500 kcal of hamburgers and pizza. You'll get all the micronutrients you need and eat enough volume not to feel hungry all day if you stick to the former diet, while probably developing serious deficiencies on the latter. However, that doesn't mean that both diets won't cause approximately the same amount of weight loss, because they contain the same amount of chemical energy. Yes, there are small metabolical adaptations (usually less than 5 % of total energy expenditure) to the other health aspects of food as well, so they might not be exactly identical down to the gram of fat lost, but that doesn't mean that counting calories and advising people to eat in a caloric deficit isn't useful.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >thermodynamics
          Your body is not a closed system. It is an open system composed of countless other open systems (organs, vessels, cells, etc).

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            nah I'm pretty sure we're all walking bomb calorimeters

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, and?

            Are open systems not covered by the fundamental laws of the universe anymore ?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Open systems leak. Energy doesn't have to be destroyed to leave an open system.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah but leakage is part of CICO so it's still CICO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh brother.

                Brainlet here implies open systems are not covered by thermodynamics.

                Fucking IST is god damn retarded.

                > Back to my stick of butter a day diet. It’s trad, based, and yummy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >slap surface of puddle
                >see waves and ripples
                >eventually water becomes still again
                >HOW COULD THIS BE?! THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS SAY ENERGY CAN'T BE DESTROYED!!!
                >Open system??? What the fuck does THAT mean?!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's incredible how confident they are in being wrong.
                If only there was a term for that..

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Even in a closed system, kinetic energy would be converted to heat and dispersed through the system. Have you never heard of entropy?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Are open systems not covered by the fundamental laws of the universe anymore ?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          CICO is the Dunning-Kruger diet
          >Just count calories
          >simple as
          >if you disagree that means you're fat
          you can see it through out this thread

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>Just count calories
            as
            So you to either being illiterate or strawmanning? Good we cleared that up.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think it's a strawman when there's literally 20-30 posts who says exactly that.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >So you to
              *So you admit to

              Also, closed or open system doesn't matter. You consume calories in the form of food and you lose calories in the form of work, generation of heat and excretion of CO2 and other waste products. CI is influenced by food composition and the makeup of the digestive tract. CO is influenced by hormones, activity level, external temperature and body size and composition. Excess calories left after CO are either stored as fat or muscle, or expended through increased activity levels or thermogenesis. These storage or expenditure processes are influenced by hormones and macronutrient composition. At the end of the day, all of this can still be summarised as CICO.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If any factor including diet effects the amount of calories burned then this doesn't disprove CICO because it's still CICO. It just is okay.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. CICO being merely what it says on the package minus a BMR you found on some website and what your fitness app tells you you burned is a strawman. We already discussed this. You're not arguing in good faith.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I've never used BMR as an argument.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there's fat retards out there not losing weight because they haven't found the meta 100% optimal min-maxed infallible diet yet, and for some reason they can't simply eat less
    oh, the COPE

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're the ketoschizo poster go to hell. You never post body

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >imagine every being overweight
    No clue why people get to the point they have to choose between what to eat.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hard truth: most fatties fail because they don't cut sharply enough. If you don't lose on 2k, move down to 1.6k. If 1.6k fails, move down to 1.2k.

    If you aren't losing on 1.2k (highly unlikely, and you're almost certainly cheating), start MOVING YOUR BODY MORE.

    It really is simple, don't kid yourself. I know better than anyone as a reformed fat guy, all the arguments against this are cope and you're not really trying, your fat brain is fighting the desire to really lose it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't worry about changing your diet
      >just eat less and less calories
      >eventually it will work
      >if anybody questions this method just call them fat

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >just eat less and less calories

        That's not what I said, though. I said a cut to 1.2k while not optimal is safe enough justified in the case of obese people. You shouldn't need to cut any more than that, ever, if you have the option of doing at least some light exercise.

        A cut to 1.0k is justified if for some reason you are severely obese and unable to exercise.

        I would recommend only a cut to 1.6k and no lower to anyone who is just overweight but not obese, and I would essentially never suggest a <1.0k cut.

        You basically put words in my mouth and deliberately misinterpreted what I said.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Don't worry about changing your diet
          >just cut 1600 calories or 1200 calories. Maybe even a 1000 calories.
          >eventually it will work
          >if anybody questions this method just call them fat
          Is that more accurate?
          I would hate to misrepresent your great argument

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, this is both an accurate summary of my argument, and an accurate statement of the truth.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I like your opinions but your reddit spacing is honestly turning me away

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's the same as with lifting weights. If you're not seeing progress then you have to lift something heavier.
        You won't lose weight eating the same amount all day or get stronger lifting the same weights over and over.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >just lift heavier bro
          >there's literally nothing else that effects muscle growth

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Truth spoken. If any fatties are reading this, it's really as simple as avoiding ALL fat. That will removed enough calories from most peoples diets that they can essentially stuff themselves to death every single meal and still lose that first fifty pounds before they even need to cut portions.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bro you need some fat to produce hormones to have a functioning body, this is why things like IIFYM exists.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you honestly believe that a person cutting all fat from their diet is going to consume zero fat when even fucking potato has enough fat in it naturally to give you that necessary dietary fat? Are you people really this ignorant?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >says to cut all fat
            >hurr you're still eating fat
            You weren't exactly being clear on that bud

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think there is some minimum amount of fat you should consume to maintain healthy bodily functions, but aside from that schizos will go ballistic when you even suggest that fats are an easy way to overconsume calories

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >remove all X
        Just.. learn moderation and have self control
        Plus they’re most likely eating more carbs than fats

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lost 15 lbs in 3 weeks from not eating between 24/36 hours on about 3/4 days and between 16-24 on most because of my work schedule. Really is cico

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Weigh loss doesn't prove CICO

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do i lose weight?
    Just be poor and autist, you will easily find that goyslop is quite expensive compared to beef heart, oats, rice and eggs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Yeah but this guy over here lost weight on goyslop though so CICO works

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ketoschizo

    can't

    stand

    spaces

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    CICO works, but its still retarded to eat pizza and sugary snacks if you're trying to lose weight, because you will feel less full and have more cravings. You can of course do it, but you could also just eat healthy, feel better and have more mental energy left over to use for other productive things.
    CICOfags love to jerk themselves off to their mental strength and "oh look at me I lost 80lbs eating burgers and pizza", not realizing that they literally just did a diet that was worse for their health and needed more mental focus than eating healthy. It's like watching 1guy1jar every day for a month and acting proud about it because you feel mentally strong. Yeah, you're mentally stronger than someone who didn't do it, but it was still a retarded waste of your mental resources.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's why they call you fat if you question it.
      Fat = lack of discipline
      CICO = discipline
      You don't need to learn anything about your diet or how the body works.
      Just be more disciplined

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mcgoy's chips

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the most reliable way of counting calories? No diet book or online catalogue is bound to have every product on the market and its caloric load in it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There isn't one

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't you guys have kitchen scales in America?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >look at packet label
      >x kcal per 100 g
      >either multiply with total weight of the package, use food scale to weight the portion you used or eye ball it if you eat fairly accurate portion, eg. half of it today and other half tomorrow

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >CICO people only eat packaged food
        Kek
        This is the point with CICO.
        >I can still eat my packaged shit as long as i count calories

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          supermarket rice, minced meat, beans, fish, pork etc still come in packages so I don't see your point. I am not talking about premade meals or any crap like that. but yes CICO allows you to eat anything as long as you stick within your caloric goals.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's these things called fresh fruits and vegetables that you should try out.
            Maybe you can squeeze them into your calorie budget

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              yes I do that too, I am not getting why you are trying to be so smug about this. looking up apple, banana etc caloric content isn't hopefully too difficult difficult task for anon who asked how to count calories from uncommon stuff he eats.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >oh no the caloric value of this apple differs by 10 kcal from different listings

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you tried not being fat?

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >thermodynamics prove CICO

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It's easy bro. It's just CICO
    Yes

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it always fattys that claim that CICO doesn't work

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      because they are the dumbest. Like all leftists

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate fat people so fucking much, bros. Just eat less food. Holy shit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >1 hour ago
      Barneyfag be slacking. He must be on that keto diet.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lost over 200 pounds after buying a food scale and weighing each portion and logging it based off the nutrition facts on the back
    >learned over time while any calorie is a calorie (you CAN have pizza and lose weight) I simply performed/dieted worse/cheated MORE fitting hyper palatable food in
    >also realized I'd rather eat 1lb of broccoli than half a slice of pizza cause I dont like being hungry
    >overtime, my body notices that we aren't taking as much in, so it compensates by lowering my BMR overtime, combined with the fact I dont weigh a shit ton anymore I burn less calories
    >eventually once I reach a stopping point and eat at a slight surplus or even maintence, my BMR slowly goes back up, at the same rate it went down, until it normalizes

    worked on my machine

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So what you're saying is
      >Metabolic rates might apply

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        at the very tail end of my diet, I was eating 1500calories a day, followed by an unknown amount of calories after a binge, so realistically 2000ish. Assuming my TDEE at the time was 2250, as metabolic rate only changes by like 20-30% and not some metric retard amount like most people think. I was, and in fact was, burning 0.5lbs a week. However once I stopped, the cortisol caused the "woosh" effect, and I rapidly lost 10 more pounds despite uptaking my calories.

        weight is not an indicator of fat loss, eat 2lbs of shrimp and you'll gain 6 pounds, but 2lbs of shrimp is only 540 calories

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          dieting and CICO is a matter of week, month, and yearly averages. for muscle mass it's relatively daily/weekly yes. but for general weight no.

          This is why the refeed/carb cycling method works. If I eat a 1500deficit twice a week, I can eat a 750calorie deficit on 4 other days. Or however you want to split this. BUT, if you fast, or lose weight to quickly for to many days, you will begin to tap into more reserve mass. This is why a 36 hour fast is perfect if needed. Look up Martin Mcdonald rapid fast loss if you need le quickest route as well

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just like the theory of evolution, things stay the same = already perfectly adapted, if it changes, evolving !

    Some people are hard gainers or hard lovers, it's just how their body is
    Nothing magically makes your body always use everything you eat instead of passing it through

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cico doesnt work

    There wasn't a single fat person rescued from the concentration camps.

    No reports of people who stay magically fat during famine/starvation periods , ever.

    Food content/quality has real health implications of course, but ultimately, whatever you eat, eating less and less of it will make you lose fat.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get rid of trash grains and liquid calories and cico isn't an issue. Good luck eating enough.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Many years ago I was a sophomore in high school and I was able to understand that to CO in CICO was complex and your body was served by eating more nutritious food. What the fuck is wrong with you that this is a revelation? If you ever thought in your life for 1 second that the left is equivalent to the right then you're pants on head retarded. If you were ever able to be convinced of it, you're pants on head retarded.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      As you can see in this thread you are apparently fat and need to eat less for having that revelation.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Losing weight isnt just about diet. You have to exercise too. I see so many people think they can pick one or the other. That's not how it works. Also your body needs a reset, you should fast

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Losing weight isnt just about diet. You have to exercise too.

      Wrong, especially the more of a glutton you are to start with. Shit there are some people who have fucked up so badly that just capping their calories at 2,000 a day is enough to start losing weight.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    CICO breaks down once you realise the body is much better at wasting excess food energy as heat than it is at de novo lipogenesis.
    Someone with a normal TDEE of 2500 could eat 3000 and have 500 calories go to waste heat every day, if they were to try cutting down to 2500 they would feel colder but they wouldn't lose weight.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      brainlet take. If your TDEE is 2500 and you eat 2500, of course then you wouldn't lose weight, you fat pig chud cuck

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >CICOtard can't even do addition
        How do you count calories then?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          if the difference is zero you won't lose weight. It is you who claim that by eating 500 surplus a person won't gain weight. I did not make such dumb claim, piggy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's why people with hypothyroidism will often feel cold. Because the lack of thyroid hormone prevents the body from using calories for heat.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Then drop it another 500...
      That's basically what I have heard is the best method to determine your CO, when you start losing weight you are under it. The estimated will vary so much between persons and activity levels, so use it as a starting point but drop more if your weight isn't dropping.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you forgot to call him fat

        >Don't worry about changing your diet
        >just eat less and less calories
        >eventually it will work
        >if anybody questions this method just call them fat

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you waste 500 calories due to heat on a 3000 calorie diet then your TDEE isnt 2500 its 3000 fucktard

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    let me guess you 'need' to eat more?

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    literally eat less or use caffeine pills
    i managed to fatten up my gf 30 lbs while remaining the same weight and almost eating the same things she ate.
    i only increased my protein intake and used 500mg of caffeine pills a day

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You can literally lose weight on pizza** if you just get in a calorie deficit***
    But this is completely true, retard. Try eating only a slice of pizza every day and see what happens.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Try and follow a starvation diet and see what happens

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's what the majority of weight loss is though: Varying degrees of starvation. The idea is to be at a level of starvation that your body can handle.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    CICO for 10 months now
    It’s not everything but a part of the solution and the basic idea of losing weight.
    I’m open for questions

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How many calories do you eat a day?
      How much weight did you lose per week / month?
      Are you on a specific diet or only counting calories?
      How much exercise do you do?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >How many calories do you eat a day?
        Currently 1500
        How much weight did you lose per week / month?
        >1~1.5 kg per week so around 4 kg a month
        Are you on a specific diet or only counting calories?
        Counting calories as accurately as i can avoiding caloric dense food to more filling ones
        How much exercise do you do?
        Every 3 days of walking and 3 days of lifting in between them one day rest

        Absolutely disgusting that you were and are that fat. But amazing progress, you must be a model of discipline.

        Thanks, still working on breaking the 100kg before i reach a 1 year mark

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I fucked up the green text, cat kept distracting me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely disgusting that you were and are that fat. But amazing progress, you must be a model of discipline.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you tried different diets while eating the same amount of calories?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but it was at the start where i can eat +2000 cal and still be in a deficit, I tried more of a keto diet but found it just was making me tired and inflamed and also tired eating whatever junk food but quickly found that i ate so little but reached my maximum calorie intake and slept starving
        In the end I stuck with a low carb diet and found it satisfying and i get enough energy to workout and lose weight

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What did you cut out?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well, I asked myself when do i want my energy and found out that would be before I workout in afternoon so i made most of my carb in the lunch meal
            And the snack which have some carbs is after breakfast at work to keep focus
            But basically I didn’t cut anything but junk food just because it’s too much calories in a small portion compared to what i cook for myself
            Oh!! And pick up the habit of meal prepping, it’s really helpful

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >But basically I didn’t cut anything but junk food just because it’s too much calories in a small portion compared to what i cook for myself
              This is the thing about CICO were i have an issue with the CICO logic.
              Because people will say basically
              >just eat less and less calories to you lose weight
              >diet doesn't matter
              >you can eat pizza blabla
              But to get down to fx 1500 calories like you you would almost always cut out shit food.
              My point is not that calories doesn't matter at all but at the same time you also changed your diet then.
              It's not like you eat 1500 calories of the same food that made you overweight.
              And when i make this point i'm told
              >yeah but you will lose weight if you wat 500 calories of junk food

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah but you will lose weight if you wat 500 calories of junk food

                This is true, and I don't see why arguing with it is so important to you. Yes, it's healthier to eat healthy things, no-one is claiming otherwise.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What's wrong with overly simplifying a complex topic while downplaying the importance of the most crucial part?
                What's so frustrating about CICO is the focus on weight loss above all else. No concern for building actual good habits, no concern for addressing dietary problems, no concern for just about anything other than short term weight loss using unsustainable methods that do nothing to help people solve the addictions and dietary/health problems that got them into the mess they're in to begin with. CICO proponents are the dietary equivalent of telling depressed people to just stop being sad.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you're obese, losing the weight should be your main priority, and CICO is a great way to do that. Yes macros matter, which is what planning or failing that outsourcing that aspect to Huel or some shit is not a bad idea if you don't know how to start eating right which if you're a fat fuck is about 95% likely.

                What are we even arguing with? If you're worried about your nutrient content, absolutely do plan your carb-protein-fat intake down to the last gram. No-one is stopping or even discouraging you, it's the last thing we'd do.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                i think he's arguing against the
                >eat less fat fuck
                retards like you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                "Eat less, fat fuck" is a pretty succinct way to get straight to the heart of the issue.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's literally nothing retarded about telling fat fucks to eat less, it's potentially life-saving advice.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Only if they lose weight though

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Finally, 255 posts in, we get to the root of your issue. Look: Almost nobody who preaches CICO ever says "Yeah just eat whatever you want and keep it under a certain amount of calories." They are only talking about the general theory that, if you honestly wanted to, you could theoretically eat nothing but candy as long as it was only a handful a day and still lose weight. But *FUCKING NOBODY* actually wants people who want to lose weight to actually do that.

                You're imagining a mentality that isn't really there except for extreme outlier cases (like the guy who lost weight eating nothing but McDonald's just to prove a point). And you've carried on with random IST Anons for many hours now over hundreds of posts. You've got bigger issues than just weight alone, fren.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is that it's common for CICOfags to literally shit on the very concept of actually fixing your diet. People ask for advice on weight loss and they're given suggestions to cut out sugar, junk food, seed oils, etc, etc, only for the CICO Squad to come marching in squealing "NOOOOOOOO WHAT YOU EAT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE JUST EAT LESS REEEEEEEEEE ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST EAT LESS WITHOUT MODIFYING THE TYPES OF FOOD YOU EAT IS A GRIFTER REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!" It's fucking tiresome.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's not OP
                But you realize if you read the thread that it's filled with CICOtards who are arguing exactly that
                >Yeah just eat whatever you want and keep it under a certain amount of calories
                So no it's not imagined.
                btw this is the point of my OP
                You people say what ever at any moment.
                One moment it's CICO one moment it's not
                Then it's a 500 calorie pizza slice diet
                Then it's
                >all people in a calorie deficit will lose weight
                which is a dumb point because you will then say that you're in a deficit when you lose weight.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                1) You will likely lose weight by calorie counting alone.

                2) When possible, you should endeavour to eat healthy, nutritious food.

                Where's the mixed message here?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >when do you lose weight?
                >when in a calorie deficit
                >when are you in a deficit?
                >when you lose weight

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Which is true but it’s just the basics, you need to take educated and well planed choices.
                One of them is to avoid shitposters on IST

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                im not arguing with it

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                In theory You.. can eat pizza and stay in a deficit and lose weight but in practice it will be hard as shit and almost idiotic hill to die on.
                -Pizza is not filling (high calories small portion) and would leave you starving,
                -your basic metabolic rate would get lower as you lose weight so it might somewhat work at the start but it would quickly stop down the road.
                -I still eat pizza but i make it myself knowing exactly how much calories in it to the gram.
                So yeah, the quality of food does have a factor in the equation
                Smart choices make the difference

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                see

                >Metabolic rates
                Eat less fatass

                you're apparently a fatass for believing that food changes metabolism

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Where did i say that? I literally said when you lose weight.. body changes does change the basic metabolic rate

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Metabolic rates might apply.
    it's funny how people think this is like some magical stream of energy that can't be predicted when it's literally just your TDEE.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And how do you know your TDEE?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://tdeecalculator.net/

        calculate for sedentary, remove 500 calories from that number, you have your cutting diet. The reason we calculate for sedentary is because the estimates for workouts are vague and extremely generous and most people overestimate the amount of exercise they actually do. By estimating for sedentary, you will lose weight no matter what as long as you are properly counting and weighing food.

        TDEE's are just educated guesses, so most will need to dial in the actual number, but they're very good for guesstimating the ballpark of your personal TDEE. If it's too slow, adjust by 100 calories and continue for two weeks. Repeat until weight is lost.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And how do you know YOUR TDEE?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            are you retarded? I did the exact steps I literally just told you about.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              he's both a troll and a retard. Probably likes anime too.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, you showed how someone can calculate an arbitrary TDEE based on impersonal formulas designed around some unknown average. I want to know how to calculate ONE'S OWN TDEE. How can you know how much is influenced by calories and how much is influenced by food choice if you can't actually lock in precise numbers for calories out? Taking that further, how do you account for the fact that all stated calorie calculations on food, even on processed foods with tightly controlled contents, are permitted to be off by up to 25%? The weakness of CICO is that it's using math and numbers to provide an illusion of precision for a process full of weakly defined and ill-controlled variables on both sides. That illusion can be dangerously misleading.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                in grand scheme of things all this shit gets ironed out by averages. who cares if there are inaccuraries as long as they are consistently inaccurate. worst case scenario some times I get better weeks when some things are more accurate. you are seriously over-analysing this shit.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is the correct way to use it!!
          Good job anon

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            thanks anon. WAGMI

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop drinking calories

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is so true!!
      Many fatties fall for the healthy smoothies meme it’s sad!!

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    something majestic about how IST will respond to any discord post like this with complete sincerity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We believe in the A in WAGMI

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bro I can barely hit 2000 calories. I've tried everything but I think I'm too depressed to eat, I have no interest in food.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bro
      >doesn’t know how to deal with food
      Many such cases

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Replying to myself here. I just feel so defeated and honestly want to cry. I need to gain weight but can't even eat to maintain my weight. I have tried so many foods but the problem is mental, I can't eat.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bro seek psychiatric help, don't just cry on anonymous image boards.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        add 5 kg of celery and you will gain weight
        It's CICO

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't argue with fat cope

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no way left is 1600

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the rocket fuel equation. When you consume fewer calories, your body needs fewer calories to maintain, so you must then consume even fewer to also lose weight.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah except if you eat 2000 calories per day and your TDEE is 3000 it will take a very long time for you to reach a point where you are not losing weight eating 2000 a day.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely. CICO works well; I went from 250 to 180 on it. I was only pointing out that the amount I had to continuously cut a little more as I dropped.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This!! Lots of people don’t know that they have to keep track of their body changes and update their plans

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Im coming in late idgaf
    [1/2]
    CICO works. There is literally no diet that can help you lose weight that isn't based on CICO. Its physically impossible to lose weight without being in a caloric deficit. Unless you're a special snowflake and are part of the 0.01% of people with a fucked up metabolism (you aren't) or are cultivating a parasite farm inside your intestines, then youre going to lose weight.
    That being said, there is obviously a difference between a fast food CICO diet and eating like a normal human being (ie whole foods), and that is the volume of shit youre putting into your mouth. OFC its going to be harder to lose weight if you eat a double big mac or whatever they serve nowadays that has 800 calories and is digested in 3 minutes because its made up entirely of simple carbs and is designed to be this way to get you addicted. Your body makes you feel hungry when your stomach is empty, meaning that if you can somehow (oats and lean protein) keep your stomach full, you should be able to lose weight while not feeling like shit.
    Another example, liquids and sugar go through your stomach almost instantly (sugars are broken down by saliva in your mouth), so drinking 500ml of coke, which you can do in an instant, means 200 calories added to your total without keeping you satisfied. On the other hand, drinking water with your meals means youll be fuller more quickly and therefore eat less.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      [2/2]
      You can increase your CO part by doing cardio, though thats as effective as you might think. Anyone who has ever done cardio can testify. You cant affect the CO part through your diet as your body will always work to make use of close to 100% of what you ingest. The way diets like keto or paleo """work""" is by making you eat less through feeling full or other means. Take keto, for example, which is based on discarding carbs and eating loads of fat. The vast majority of w*stoids get their carbs only through refined products like pastries or fast food. Of course discarding those is going to make you eat less *calories*. Meanwhile, eating so much fat makes everything taste so god awful that it becomes impossible to stuff your face with more food. Moreover, fats are digested more slowly than the other macros which makes you feel fuller.
      Yeah, in theory you *could* lose weight by eating only junk food, but you'd feel so hungry all the time it would be almost impossible to sustain for a longer period of time. What CICO is trying to get you to do, is to eat more volume.
      What Im trying to say is that OP is an absolute retard and this thread is obvious bait so sage in all fields. Not only that, but, as usual, fpbp and OP is a fatty

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Its physically impossible to lose weight without being in a caloric deficit
      When do you know you're in a caloric deficit?
      >when you lose weight
      So you're saying
      >Its physically impossible to lose weight without losing weight

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tracking your intake accurately would let you know that you are in a calorie deficit which is typically -500 from your baseline

      • 2 months ago
        sage

        use a calculator
        diet for two weeks
        adjust if needed

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get the point of these threads, is it just some fatty that complains that moderation is hard or something? What's your endgame

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's actually them trying to convince others of their delusion that somehow it's not their failure as a person to lose weight but that CICO aka thermodynamic laws do not apply to them.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just eat less lol
    >bbbbut muh metabolism
    just eat even less then lol
    >bbbbbbbut muh diet factors
    just stop eating all processed food and only drink water lol
    >bbbbbbbbbbbut how do i know im eating enough to lose weight
    just eat nothing lol you can only lose weight when you eat nothing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which is true but it’s just the basics, you need to take educated and well planed choices.
      One of them is to avoid shitposters on IST

      Found him

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just stop eating all processed food and only drink water lol
      So it's not CICO?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's just way easier to eat less calories that way, why is this concept so hard to grasp

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s a half of an advice
        Eat less like a pig and more like a healthy human

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn't CICO work on the pig diet as well?
          btw pigs would get sick from eating junk food

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you a pig? You should try

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it's CICO+eating like a human bean so CICO doesn't matter at all
        lol

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I lost 25lbs eating whey+water shakes, turkey deli slices, stouffers salisbury steak microwave meals, twinkies, and small ice cream cones.

    Was I hungry/starving all the time? Yes. But it worked. You're just mad that you can't overcome your urges.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Weight loss doesn't prove CICO.
      Idk how many times i have to tell you guys this.
      It's such a basic concept that i think you might be retarded if you don't understand this.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay so I ate complete junk, maintained all my lifts, and according to DEXA maintained my muscle mass, while losing 25lbs in deficit at 1200 calories a day and ended up at the pictuerd physique, by using CICO and protein target of 1g per lb bodyweight.

        What else is there to prove?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Post body.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I literally did.

            https://i.imgur.com/docLVTd.jpg

            I lost 25lbs eating whey+water shakes, turkey deli slices, stouffers salisbury steak microwave meals, twinkies, and small ice cream cones.

            Was I hungry/starving all the time? Yes. But it worked. You're just mad that you can't overcome your urges.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not gonna pull a Moxyte and go "OH YEAH, YURR FAKING IT, PUT TIMESTAMP1!!!!11"before having you do so and sheepishly weasel out. So I'm just gonna go by what you say.
              Dieting shouldn't be an obscene exercise of will, willpower should definitely be a part, but obesity was actually once nonexistent, and people didn't even fathom calories as a unit back then.
              So as I said in

              https://i.imgur.com/TGoyF3B.png

              You got the skinnyfats rustled. The general mantra of CICO is true, being that eating more means gaining more, and losing more for eating less. No shit.
              The part that CICOtards will vehemently defend is the idea that "a calorie is a calorie" and that you can live off of junk food and still remain skinny.
              It's technically true, but it's also willpower hell and you will be pretty malnourished, to say the least.

              , yes, what you're doing IS possible. But is it *really* worth the annoyance and craving just to go "I told you so"?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >is it really worth being healthy
                If you have to ask this question then you are ngmi

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think he's advocating for being healthy.

                This entire conversation is distilled down to:
                >I have the willpower to control the amount of pizza I eat every day so as to avoid going over a calorie limit
                vs.
                >Eat better foods and there's no such thing as a calorie limit.
                The latter point basically that, instead of wrestling with will power to maintain a diet of temptation (carbs, cookies, donuts, pizza) that like 95% of people fail, get the right foods from the store. People switch to eating meat and eggs and lose weight, so it doesn't even have to suck.

                Everybody is saying correct things. It'll be up to any given individual to see what works for them.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >at 1200 calories
          Another starvation diet.

          CICO doesn't imply just weight loss
          It implies that calorie count determine weight loss.
          It implies that any 1200 calorie diet will lose you more weight than any 1300 calorie diet.
          If it doesn't then CICO is a meaningless term
          So can you prove that you couldn't have lost more if you 1200 of none junk?
          Because CICO implies that
          Or for that matter can you prove you wouldn't have gotten the same result if you had eaten less protein?
          Because again CICO implies that

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don't have to eat 1200 calories to lose weight moron

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              How many calories do i need to cut to lose weight
              >Just be in a calorie deficit
              When am i in a deficit
              >when you lose weight

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That isn't the only way to determine if you're in a deficit
                >track calories eating how you would normally for two weeks
                >determine if you're in an upward, downward or flat trend
                >adjust the needle from there
                ezpz

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Adjust until you're in a downward trend
                when do i know i've adjusted myself into downward trend
                >when you're losing weight

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Huh? You know you're in a downward trend the moment you decide to lower your total calorie intake from maintenance level.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How do i maintain weight?
                >Just get in a maintenance level
                how do i know i'm in a maintenance level?
                >you don't lose or gain weight

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    consciously lowering CI is the worst way of achieving CI < CO

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