How do you know if you're unattractive?
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you just know…
Not necessarily, there are attractive people with deep insecurity issues that don't realize they're attractive. I thought I was unattractive as a teenager and didn't believe it when people told me I was good looking, I had a girl ask me out once when I was 14 and I convinced myself she was just trying to trick me or set me up with some ugly girl(which made zero sense) Then I did shrooms when I was like 18 and looked in the mirror and my insecurities went away and I realized I was attractive.
based shroom enjoyer. i flip between thinking I'm hideous and incredibly handsome on an hourly basis. infuriating tbh
ik i'm not below 5/10 tho. ive had some female attention.
>i flip between thinking I'm hideous and incredibly handsome on an hourly basis.
congrats, you have BPD
For real? NTA but I have major mood swings which usually affect how I perceive myself. Last time I was honestly convinced I was disfigured and genuinely the ugliest man in the world. Next week I was fine.
NTA, but isn't BPD extreme mood swings?
Can confirm. Looking back to my college days/high school days I was at least an 8 maybe a 9/10. Women would eye frick me constantly, all but begging me to approach. But I was deeply deeply autistic and insecure so I missed all of it and now I'm fat and bald.
>people told me I was good looking
I've had girls genuinely tell me i'm attractive and i've also had girls tell me I was ugly. You can't rely on other people.
what is considered attractive is dependent on other people's perception
yes you can. it’s literally all you can rely on lol
It's kinda obvious
Do people make eye contact and randomly start conversations? No? Well I got some news for you champ
>people make eye contact and randomly start conversations?
This is probably the biggest indicator. People want that halo effect
What if they make eye contact but never start conversation?
Women will rarely start conversations with random men, they expect you to make the first move. But if they're making eye contact with you they're most likely attracted to you. Like if you make eye contact with them once, look away and then can catch them making eye contact with you a second time, it's almost guaranteed they're attracted to you. That's the best way to figure it out. If they smile at all it's also a sign. it might not be a big smile, look for micro-expressions. Also trust your intuition, your naturally designed to be able to read these things intuitively. Some people might think it's bullshit but there's energy exchanges going on around people, you can naturally feel when someone is attracted to you, just listen to your gut feelings. It's what people call "vibes" the word vibes literally comes from hippies to acid and saying people gave off energy vibrations, and shortened it to vibes. In the same way you can get a gut sense someone is dangerous or untrustworthy, you can get a gut sense someone is attracted to you.
I didn’t realise this. I go to college on bus and there’s a woman who I catch looking at me a bit. We made eye contact a couple of times as well. Maybe I should try smile at her see what happens.
good luck anon
Just talk to her
Women are too afraid of getting rejected to make the first move, men have testosterone which is designed to make us horny enough and confident enough to take the risk of getting rejected and ask the woman out. Most men can get over rejection pretty quickly, if a woman got rejected she would probably be suicidal. Woman are also turned on by the idea of the man making the first move, they like the idea of dropping subtle hints and him noticing and coming up to her and flirting with her. It's like a cat and mouse game. They don't get turned on by the idea of the man being too afraid to approach her so she has to go up to him.
If you wanna know the way women think and what turns them on read some of those popular erotica novels they love like fifty shades of grey. It's basically the womans version of porn. That was one of the best selling books in the world and it's basically just a female sex fantasy about BDSM.
you’re over analyzing all this but then again i know you’re speaking for yourself and the average guy on IST. women do approach, yes even 7+ women, but of course you’re going to deny and argue this because it isn’t your experience
I'm aware that women sometimes randomly approach, but it's very rare and they're not usually direct. They'll say something else, like I've had women say to me "wow you're so tall" while standing in a gas station line, or at school I had girls come up to talk to me about class, the only time I directly had a woman ask me out was in 8th grade, but she already knew I liked her.
But really the odds of a random woman going up to a guy to ask him out or express interest is very rare. Even the highest tier guys rarely experience this. Women want you to come to them, they want to be the object of the desire. The masculine role it to be the first one that approaches.
i’ll give you that then. i’m not at all the approaching type and it still regularly happens. everything you can think of whether it’s being complimented for my looks, asking for number or social media, buying me drinks, being aggressive and touchy, groped, offering to take me home etc has happened to me at least once. anything is possible when you’re in a social environment with women full of liquid confidence. but i do agree it’s better to take action and approach. chasing women when i’m out isn’t my thing though
How tall are you sir?
idk
got a friend whos probably an 8/10
everytime we've gone out to bars/clubbing, women have approached him
women have even approached him outside of that, one time a waitress flat out asked him to come to her house after her shift. He rejected her as he was dating someone at the time, and told me how annoying it was because "it happens all the time"
goes without saying these women weren't ugly
made me wanna kms ngl
Just out of curiosity is he fit?
he's in shape but not IST
doesn't really gym, just a healthy average build
that other anon isn't me
he is fit now, so hes really slayer tier
but he wasn't before when those events happened
hes was top tier pretty boy ectomorph, now hes more handsome
actually he's in shape but not IST
doesn't really gym, just a healthy average build
no, he actually gyms all the time because hes the type that loves it
we work out the same, so his time in the gym is about 2.5 hours 6/7
he is genuinely in good shape
I’m a good looking guy and I get cat called and approached often enough, depends where you are and the kind of foot traffic. If I walk by highschools when they’re out the chances of getting cat called by some group of girls is pretty high, girls are a lot more confident in groups.
>but it's very rare and they're not usually direct
I feel very stupid, I went to a friend's house party about a week ago and was lamenting to myself how I get know women, was alone in a corridor checking shit on my phone when a very very good looking girl came up to me and asked me to "give her the house tour", I laughed and said "I don't actually live here" and then she said "well you can give me the house tour I never got then". It didn't go anywhere, I ended up sorta pointing random shit out for fun and walking her out to the backyard pool and having a short chat but it ended at that. I didn't think anything of it at the time but now I'm starting to feel like I completely fricked up a good opportunity. I have no clue how to escalate, I feel too out of my element
This is true for sub 8 men, but Chads do get approached regularly especially in a social setting.
Some men just have unrealistic expectations for women initiating on a sidewalk, mall, or grocery store. They're 10x more likely to initiate in clubs, bars, and parties.
at parties they will always try make conversation with you and brush up against you, i have even had a male acquaintance tell me that "she has a crush on you" and that i should talk to her after only seeing her for 5 minutes half an hour prior. they also like taking pictures with you for some reason
witchcraft i say
Women approach me and I fail spectacularly. I actually find it kind of funny to tell my friends about it, they get fricking pissed, even though I'm pretty sure they've slept with more women than I have.
THIS SHIT. I thought I was ugly for the longest time even though I check most normie boxes of being attractive
>6 foot barefoot (although I don't tower over people like /fit acts )
>long thick hair that I saved with fin and actually take care of it instead of just letting it look like shit
>baby face that can grow a beard pretty easily and quickly
>thick solid tight
NEVER got approached so just kinda thought I guess I really am not that attractive. I get invited to a house party and it's like a completely new world. Girls bumping into me with their butts then looking back with a smirk, girls grabbing my hand to drag me somewhere, I even had a girl sit on my lap with no prompt as I was sitting with some friends in a circle outside. Spring Break was even a bigger eye opener. I realized you have to be in places where it's 'normal,' to flirt and do this shit for girls to initiate when during SB this past year two girls busted into my room and said they were going to sleep in my bed and there wasn't a thing I could do about it.
Then I go back to normal life and girls just act frigid to me even in the gym.
>SB
Santa Barbara?
>Chads do get approached regularly especially in a social setting.
Not a Chad, but I do, which is annoying sometimes.
women just dont like to be bawds because we shame them for it
>women dont want their bawdness to be known
FTFY
>le men evolved to read the frequency at which le woman vibrates and go ask her out and le deal with rejection
For the vast majority of human history you would just rape the b***h and be done with it.
Stopped reading after the first line. Even with a lot of predator animals they will wait for females to come to them (wolves and hogs as an ex)
If women want men to
>protect
>provide
>have a good personality
>be a rock
Then they can at the very least make their desires known. Especially since there are tons of shitty women that will use the same """hints""" to manipulate men.
>Men evolved to have higher testosterone to ask women out in public
HOLY KEK. this is the most moronic Black person IQ take on human physiology ive ever seen in 8 years on this site.
>Women are too afraid of getting rejected to make the first move
Welcome to 2022 chuds. Try living in the current year
I will never approach a woman, they are all just waiting to call the cops on you and sue you to death.
No I meant women today approach men they like
7+ women do not approach men they like, they dont have to.
never seen this IRL, I don't think women approach at all- they just give off vibes and the guy talks to them
My past 2 gfs have asked me out. But like
said, they weren't exactly super models
>at work
>qt temp shows up, we greet each other
>later that day manager comes up to me
>”so did you meet (qt temp)? she told me she thought you were cute and wanted your number”
>agree to give out my number
>she texts me ‘hey’ with monkey faces
>i have to carry the conversation tho she loosens up after a bit
>we click and text a frickton
>ask her on date
>go on date and she rejects me afterwards
brehs… so tired of women and their games..
>gives girl #
>plays pen pal
>spergs on date
>”frickin women”
Maybe in Northern Europe, but not in the Med or Anglosphere.
Go outside moron. Women never approach men unless they’re ran-through turbo bawds.
At most they may say hi to you. Everything beyond that it’s the man’s job.
Same, I'm still horrified by hearing stories of men who got #metooed to oblivion by insane Christmas cake women.
Reminds me of this barista I see once or twice a week. We usually have a fun, quick conversation which I have to initiate and carry. But I can tell she gets eager & happy to serve me when I'm waiting in line. But the last time I didn't say anything (just hi with friendly, open body language). I wanted to see if she would say anything. She said NOTHING. Zilch! As soon as I finished paying she gave me a rude "thank you, bye" and walked away all b***hy like I did something wrong.
Why are they like this...
>which I have to initiate and carry
>But I can tell she gets eager & happy to serve me
This is just your autism crippling your ability to figure out that she does not give a shit about you, never has, and was only being polite because it's her job as a barista to make you feel welcome there. It's not her, it's 100% you. Cope.
Absolutely not true
This is what I thought til I made friends with actual attractive dudes and they literally have girls throwing themselves at them
>Also trust your intuition, your naturally designed to be able to read these things intuitively. Some people might think it's bullshit but there's energy exchanges going on around people, you can naturally feel when someone is attracted to you, just listen to your gut feelings.
What if I get this intuition with waitresses and female cashiers?
You can always try asking them out if you really think they might like you, but you need to be able to discern customer service from flirting. If they say no or they have a boyfriend just leave them alone, don't make it weird or pressure them.
THIS
>be hamplanet
>waiting in line at the costco
>notice older milf walking back
>look over
>stares directly at me
>gives me a strong smile
> shocked but didnt break eye contact
>smile back
>gives me a bashful look like pic related
thinking about it makes me glad im back at the gym and eating right, hopefully I stick with it.
Really goes to show the incel and autism and Gen z terminally online moron presence on this board that people don’t know this
men are evolutionarily predisposed to over interpret signs of attraction from women because historically it was better to assume a woman was interested and be wrong rather than not assume and miss a potential mating opportunity.
I dont think that gut feelings or intuition in terms of perceiving attractiveness as a man is always going to work out the way you think it might
I reflected enough to come to that conclusion on my own but I still can’t get rid of that ego
In my case it's very low confidence and immense self hatred.
>You're naturally designed
Well the designer fricked up on me then, I want a refund
Yes women will never start conversations, I assume there's something biological about it because there's basically no social cost for women approaching.
I get girls staring at me all the time in public, had one experience of a girl at a tram stop permanently staring at me from the corner of her eyes, while we were waiting.
Now I've just got to stop being socially moronic and fix my stutter and ill be able to talk to women.
>latina in the club passes me by making agressive eye contact all along, turning her head specifically to look at me
>I keep it for a second then look away
what was I supposed to say I don't speak fricking spanish
not one reddit space skin sight. beautiful. there's hope for this board after all
i had a female at work that looked at me non stop, smiled also, she even talked to me first once when I finished the work for the day, I really wanted to approach her but then I saw on her socials that she has a husband and is married lol
Fricking this.
>catch a girl looking at me
>sit next to her and talk
>we talk and laugh through the rest of the night
>she texts me the next day
>lives with her long term bf
I don't understand what her intentions are. I wouldn't want a gf that seeks male attention from people she barely knows like that while in a relationship
Correct, attention and don't pursue it because even if you did steal her away from him she'd do it to you as well.
Don't hold it against her you're probably just dreamy.
>dreamy
What do you mean?
Cute and nice looking like a boy who plays acoustic guitar. Mad soulful eyes or something.
You must have a good sense in people. Several woman got shocked after they saw me doing drugs or drinking heavy. They thought because of my nice and cute look I would not do something bad like that kek
>lives with her long term bf
change that to
>distance relationship
would there be a chance? asking for a friend
If she is unhappy in her long distance relationship you have a good chance. Thing is, why doesn't she talk to her partner and works on improving their relationship or breaks up? Instead she would cheat? That's what is likely happening in your potential relationship if you go down that road.
they might be just wary and think "I hope that creep doesn't approach me"
Yeah maybe it is this. I guess I do come of as creepy but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Any tips?
don't be creepy deep inside or convince yourself you aren't and it's a quirk
women will try their very best not to look at a stranger that they're not attracted to.
Women look at me with fear. Especially the little ones.
either you have a very large frame and set of grotesque muscles or you're straight up ugly. or both
feels bad man. still, keep your body fit and healthy though.
This.
Women will obviously try to look the other direction. I get this all the time
>Daryl is as bad as the gangbang and blowjob guys just because he's an ugly dweeb
Really makes you think
>I hope that creep doesn't approach me
Literally everywhere I go.
Yes, but I thought it was because of my confident stride and sense of fashion. But all this time, I was just attractive?
kek'd
while largely true some people look ok but have a "frick off" demenor
No to both.
I get this but only from ugly/fat/old women
What does this mean?
1. Women feign disinterest by default. Even with today's lack of female modesty, by biological drive they maintain an air of disinterest around men they don't know.
2. If you are attractive, it's highly likely you've been attractive for a long time and you wouldn't notice if people were looking at you and talking to you more than they "should". Of course someone who was fat and lost a lot of weight would be someone who recently BECAME attractive and would have the means to compare.
Cope
is it? or are you just fantasizing about what being attractive is like?
Yes, this is true.
Was fat my whole life till 20. Then I lost 70lbs and women actually look at me and when I talk with them, they actually seem interested in what I have to say.
Also, learned this from some female friends and relatives. If a girl makes an excuse for physical contact with you, she likes you.
>Do people make eye contact and randomly start conversations?
If this is a indicator for being attractive i must be a super model because people start conversations with me all the time and its so fricking stressful to not spill my spaghetti whenever this happens.
this guy here
act like you don't care or are inconvenienced, or just listen to them and figure out what the point of their message is, and from there decipher if its worth your brain capacity
don't show enthusiasm unless you find a worthy fo
I've had girls hold doors open for me and continusouly get in my way, and they say shit like sorry, but when they see my dead fricking eye stare at them, as if i'm judging them for their stupidity, they feel at fault and embaressed and they actually smile and spill their spagetti, this works on even the hottest girls.
try it, if you feel like you're working too hard in conversations
you see this will change you into the hypermasc faster.
>act like you don't care or are inconvenienced, or just listen to them and figure out what the point of their message is
What the frick this is actually good advice. This is so simple yet i never even thought about doing this when random people start talking to me. Maybe i really do have autism
Same, b***hes suddenly decide to talk to me and I'm in a whole other world in my mind so I end up looking like a massive moron
holy shit, i've been attractive all this time?
ok but how do I get them to leave me alone; that shit is annoying.
>how do i get them to stop
by actually going outside instead of larping that youre some sigma uber chad
frick off c**t
Wear a permanent scowl, resting b***h face makes you unapproachable
I'm literally ugly as frick and everybody in my campus stops to talk to me, strangers smile in my direction. It's because I walk with confidence and initiate eye contact first, usually nodding to everybody who walks by. On the other hand when i'm having a bad anxious day strangers avoid me like the plague and look away immediately.
>tl;dr
this is more of a vibe thing than an attractive thing
Homie, idk how to explain to you that vibe is an ASPECT of attractiveness and that by being confident and friendly you ARE attractive. Congratulations, now go have a lovely day, idiot.
You ask random women you see on the street if they find you attractive or not
nah, asking women about what they like is a near guarantee of getting a wrong answer
women don't look at you or pretend you don't exist
or when they do look at you they scowl or give you disapproving facial expressions
no amount of muscle can make up for autism, an ugly face, or being short
lord help you if you have a combo of the above, I truly feel sorry for you
I’m 5’7 and diagnosed with clinical autism. Is it over?
not necessarily but life will be harder for you
bulk hard, go spelunking, collect rocks and marry 4'11 semi legal chink. They are all autistic, so they won't notice.
Me too
women are also autistic (all of them) so you may have an easier time
being a man isnt about being pretty, that is for gays and women. attractiveness as a male is a cumulative thing. being masculine, dominating the things you want to do, being confident etc is what you need to be attractive. women dont look at men like men look at women. obviously you can be so deformed that people find looking at you abrasive, but its more likely that you just hate yorself and have low self esteem/value and you look at yourself in a far worse light than necessary
>hate yorself and have low self esteem/value and you look at yourself in a far worse light than necessary
how the hell do I fix this?
they dont pretend I dont exist
and if I look they look at me with what I guess is curiosity. They open their eyes wide and just look at me
then make money and have muscle. Women are more attracted to status than facial structure.
>how do u know if you are not rich
I notice when I clean up and dress better people are way nicer to me
if you have to ask you're average looking
>How do you know if you're unattractive?
When you need to make a thread asking this
>How do you know if you're unattractive?
you're on IST
you're literally invisible to women, and the moment they take a glance at you they glare with utter contempt
t. it's me
Kids will tell you outright, to your face. You usually work it out pretty quickly once you start going to school.
Am I ugly? I’d say I’m 4/10
Add 1 if you are uncircumcised, -1 if you are cut
I’m not circumcised
Why are you considering a man's penis aesthetics when rating him you homosexual
>cutgay detected
>Justagay detected
Obviously not, you're just fishing for compliments you know you're not ugly. Or this isn't you.
I’m literally an Incel
based
I think it’s pretty cringe honestly
Yeah I'm good looking and haven't gotten laid in a long time either, we exist. You could easily get laid if you tried you're like model tier 8/10, the fact you think you are 4/10 is insane. You must have some really bad insecurity issues you need to work on, get a therapist. I had the same issue but I did shrooms and it fixed it for the most part.
I don’t even really know how to speak or meet women. I’m trying to join clubs in college and stuff like that, hopefully it helps
You should read the books "Models" by Mark Manson and "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover. They helped me with my social skills and talking to women a lot, especially Models, it's a book every guy should read.
I’ve heard about the no more mr nice guy book, I’ll try and give it a read sometime. Thanks for the suggestion
Robert glover is married to a SEAgull, he's purple-pill at best. His book is pretty good though, it's freely available. Good starter book and reference material.
>Ruminate on being ugly
>Talk about being "incel" to drive home how hideous you are
>Ask for feedback on your looks, secretly hoping for good news
>People tell you that you're attractive
>Enjoy being reassured
>Repeat
You're acting like a binge eater, except with compliments on your looks from other men instead of food. Which makes you gay.
Mens ratings of attractiveness don’t matter because I want women. Guys can say I look good but I’m still an Incel anyways so nothing has changed. I just don’t know what to do to meet new people and form proper relationships or even have hookups
basado
you look about two steps away from being a sissy bottom
How come?
You just have to take care of your appearance and fashion and you'll be fine.
You are a 0/10 if you need validation from other males because you lack confidence.
There are guys that are ugly as sin that have a wife and 3 kids. Grow up.
I know but how? I’ve tried to join local clubs like boxing, I’m joining a college club today too. I’ve tried using dating apps with no success because I don’t have women to talk to in person. How do I meet women and get relationships and sex?
I went to a college club today for the first time it was the worst experience. There were three people there and both were more moronic than me. To be fair it was a karate class but it’s the only thing I can go to. How else can I reach out to people?
Try meet or spontacts. There are in person dating events. Travel with a group.
I don’t have a group to travel with but I’ll look into this. Would it be weird to turn up alone? I’m also in a small area so there might not be many events but I guess I could travel
Made a typo, it's meetup not meet.
I'm not from the US but here there are like travel agencies that do group travels for people around 25 to 35 years old. They mostly do outdoor vacations. Going alone is the point
Thanks for the advice I’ll give it a shot
I asked my wife and she said you look normal enough to date where she wouldn’t be creeped out by you in a bar but it all depends on your personality and reputation and income and if you are eating yourself a 0/10 you’ve already lost if you had the energy girls are looking for you’d rate yourself a 9/10.
This is coming from a woman
I guess I could be more confident. I do try to be more outgoing these days. I just have no clue where to meet people. I went to a college club today and it was a complete failure, three people turned up and they were even more moronic than me. I did talk to them a bit though but I ended up leaving after ten minutes since it was boring
No offense but you look kinda gay.
What about me looks gay? The facial expression?
4'10 holy crap
My only hope is stilts or dwarf women
Nah you're 5-6/10. You definitely have a better face than the average guy but you're nothing special.
Why am I still an Incel? I don’t know how to reach out to women or anything. I’m still in college though. I went to a college club today and it was the most worthless experience of my life there were only three there including myself. Do you have any ideas?
dont listen to these crabs youre cute! would be chad if tall.
I’m 5’7
6 depending on height.
5’7
How about you look directly at the camera in normal lighting while standing up and then we tell you?
You kind of look like me
4'10...homie it's not over, it never fricking started
I am average. I think what puts women off me is I live on pizza so I fart a lot and it stinks of rotten egg.
I never considered myself that attractive personally. My face is ok I guess, but I'm short. I don't think I'm that ugly, and was never really treated like an ugly person (girls have told me I'm handsome before and people are nice to me). I used an AI face rater app and it rated me as an 8.5. I personally don't think that's accurate but whatever the app says it
>I never considered myself that attractive personally
>posts an ai rater telling him he is "very attractive"
shut the frick up humblebragger
I did that thing and I got 6.99
What app is this?
https://attractivenesstest.com/
supposedly an ai face rater
I got 8.5 you homosexuals
I used my work headshot and got a 6.99 but girls tell me I'm handsome and hit on me all the time. I wouldn't trust that website.
Call of duty incel got over a 6.
Yeah this shit isn’t accurate. I got over an 8 and I have never had a girlfriend. Never had a woman initiate a conversation. It just gives you a random number.
You get reported for sexual harrasment for just talking to a woman/female co-worker
People will tell you, if you aren't they won't.
>handsome until I started balding
My last partner told me there was nothing attractive about me and that she only fricked me as a form or self harm. I 8magine that qualifies.
sounds like bpd tbh, obviously she wasn't feeling bad when she was fricking you
I dunno man. I'm just concentrating on preparing my soul for the next life and working on my health.
That's so fricking brutal it rings around to hilarious
>My last partner told me there was nothing attractive about me and that she only fricked me as a form or self harm.
Get to 10-16% bodyfat and see how girls treat you. If you get bad vibes from them, you're ugly.
why do I look good in a mirror but absolutely awful in photos
opposite for me
Your mirror image is flipped horizontally. You are used to seeing your mirror image, so when you see your true image it feels off.
The reverse is true for other people you interact with, they're used your true image while the mirror one is weird.
ask how have most women in life treated me?
Do they shy away from you physically when you come close, do they try to end conversations quickly, do they never start conversations with you? If Yes to all this you are probably ugly.
If you're just invisible to women you're probably a normal looking dude.
>sorry but you're not my type
>sorry but you're not my type
>sorry but you're not my type
>sorry but you're not my type
>sorry but you're not my type
>sorry but you're not my type
At least shes honest man, trust me its better than saying yes lets go on date, and then she ghosts you
At least they're all honest I guess
girls will straight up tell you if you are even in platonic settings without prompting
t. unattractive
>legit ugly
>Big crooked nose, massive forehead
>But also builtfat, 230lbs 6'2
>At gym
>Constantly catch girls glancing at me, and some smile when i catch them or they go past me (around 75% id say)
>When i start convo for whatever reason they are usually talkative, smile or get visibly shy
>Had girls legit tell me "you are such handsome young man"
>And had girls invite me over to their dorm room to sleep over after concert
>Or had a girl take me to concert as her "bodyguard", we slept in one hotel room and she liked to rest her head on my chest during the show
>Am autistic af kissless virgin 30yo
They probably want the big intimidating rapist looking bf
Yesterday i entered gym and my gymcrush was leaving, she smiled so nicely to me again, i cant take it
have you tried...talking to them?
What?
Im a complete stranger
uglybastardmoding
Why would you say about yourself that you look like a rapist? This is exactly the autistic shit that will stop you from having a gf. Try to see the world, and yourself, like a normal person
>6' 1, handsome, attractive, but autistic and severely socially moronic
>only ask out 8s or above
>never get rejected for a first date or a number
>go on 2-3 dates
>be really awkward on said dates and through text
>eventually they stop talking to me
>mfw
attractiveness only gets you past the first hurdle. your game that keeps them wanting to see you.
Opposite for me, I have no clue how to hit on women. Even asking them out, I have no clue what to do. I don't think I've ever asked a girl out in my life.
But occasionally I get hyper aggressive women who will ask me out first. Then we date, then the relationship becomes too exhausting, then they freak out or threaten suicide when I try to break up with them, and it's a whole ordeal.
to be completely honest, i have no clue on how to hit on them either. all I have done is i just asked them for their number and at a later date said "lets get something to eat".
usually the first dates end with making out which they have initiated but i never know when and how to escalate. for me they either end up no longer talking to me because i am extremely awkward and unable to initiate physical contact which eventually comes across as 'boring' to them or I unknowingly say or do something that is rude to them that makes them think i am a bad person (which is amplified even more because of my looks).
I'll try that number and let's get something to eat line lol. I guess that's what girls always did with me, seems easy enough.
Escalation is not too tricky once you get used to it, just push and pull. If you're making out with her, grab her ass. If she doesn't like that, she'll move your hand off, if she wants something else, maybe she'll put your hand there, or she'll just tell you. If she's good, you just keep going. It sounds autistic like this, but you just gradually go like that.
my friend taught me the get something to eat line haha. he literally took my phone and texted her that and told me to copy paste so i can use it again lol.
i'll keep your push/pull thing in mind, thanks!
looks don't matter for a man. i as well as plenty of my friends are ugly/mediocre looking but we can still get girls by just playing along with their games
look outside, very little people are 'attractive' but are walking around with good looking women
100% of the time the people you call "ugly" or "mediocre" are way more attractive than you think and the girls you supposedly get are way less attractive than you think.
>I get hyper aggressive women who will ask me out first. Then we date, then the relationship becomes too exhausting, then they freak out or threaten suicide
sounds like you are getting BPD chicks. Be aware that when a women is pursuing you aggressively that is a red flag that she might be bpd/cluster b. Those types tend to pursue men more aggressively. No, not all women that pursue you aggressively are liek that. But bpds tend to be like that.
>Out with friends
>See mate talk to 2 girls
>Approach them to say hi
>As I approach them one of them rolls her eyes
>The 2 girls make eye contact and one subtly shakes her head
>The other one takes a step back
>had you had girls ask you to be their boyfriend in your teens, send you notes in class
>do girls look at you?
>do they approach you?
>do they stare you straight in the eyes when talking to you?
>touch you in the arm/lap when talking to you?
>contact you first
>ask you on a date
>try to kiss you
101 rules of attraction, if none of that happens , then congrats you're unattractive, not ugly, just unattractive.
If you're ugly then they will make fun of you with her girlfriends or boyfriend Chad.
>caring if people think you're attractive
this is a trap
I literally need to print this out and put it on every wall of my apartment + as my phone's lock and home screen.
I care way too much about shit I shouldn't care at all... and triple the normal amount about things I should care about.
My crush said it loud and clear in highschool
Also a girl once asked me why my sister looked good while I didn't
be a khhv at 30
I am
it's over
me too bro
You'll probably get told eventually if you really are
If you're good looking the people comfortable and closest to you will tell you outright or even subtly
Going off how people react to you when you walk by is moronic. I'm friends with Chads who don't get oohed and awed every time they walk by a group of girls. People keep to themselves or look forward and tell their friends that you're hot
From the front my face look human, but from the side I look like a goblin. I think I could pull a Ted Bundy cause I look different on every single picture that's taken of me
How accurate is photofeeler?
subtract -2 from each score and it will be more accurate
Walk around your gym and ask every woman if they find you attractive or not. Track your results with a pen and clipboard. Once you’ve talked to every woman in your gym you’ll finally know the truth.
I'm not making this up. This happened about a month or two ago. I was commuting to my uni from bus as always and there were a lot of empty seats. I was somehwere in the middle row and there was a empty seat beside me. There was a guy in the front of me, and beside him was also an empty seat, he looked like he had quite good looking hair, stylish I'd say but I didnt see his face. A girl comes in and she's looking for a seat, she initially came right beside my seat and then deadass went in the front row where that guy was and sat down. That day my confidence shattered into pieces and I realized I was ugly and repulsive probably. Am i reading too much into this or am I real ugly?
> That day my confidence shattered into pieces
From a minimal, non verbal interaction with a stranger
>consider myself at least moderately attractive
>being horribly out of shape for all my life gives -5 debuff
>can flirt with girls on the internet, but not IRL because IRL they can see me
>finally got a gym membership
AS SOON AS I FINALLY BREAK MY POOR COPING HABITS AND GET IN SHAPE ITS OVER FOR YOU b***hES
I always get strange vibes from women, like they'd love to ridicule me but are afraid to do actually it. I'm decently IST but bald and ugly as shit.
>massive israelite nose
>entire face droops to one side
>incel jawline
>discolored skin above lip, looks like a permanent 5 o'clock shadow
I don't know how to cope
Quasimodomaxx
this is a good choice
>t. deformed warlockmaxxer
Christ my eyes do look exactly like his.
Become ugly hot.
If you are insecure, you are unattractive, that's honestly all there is to it. Confidence and enthusiasm is top-tier attractiveness. It's easy to see- have you ever met an ugly-ish girl but she's just incredibly fun and you just find yourself attracted to them? It's almost always because they were confident and come off as such.
Same with dudes. Jack Black in a vacuum would come off as as physically unattractive person, but the amount of women who would marry him and have his babies is astronimcal. Why? Because he's a confident and funny dude, that's it.
The new kids are disconnected from that concept because they interact mostly through virtual means. Humans devote a VERY large percentage of their subconscious brain to perceiving other human's body language, slight facial changes, tone in conversation, etc, and synthesizing the information to form a concept of who that person is. Without the human-to-human interaction, you remove all possible sense of if that person is attractive or not except through physical pictures, essentially, and so younger folks tend to weigh physical attraction very heavily when considering what is attractive- but the truth is, real attraction is all about confidence.
Just be confident bro
>inb4 fake it till you make it
I honestly don’t know.
I’m 20 and in uni. I’ve had 2 objectively hot girlfriends in my life when I was 17 and 18. But for the past two years I’ve gotten hardly any attention from attractive girls. I’ve asked out average girls and gotten rejected every time. Girls that I thought were below me in looks. I don’t understand how I managed to previously have two attractive girlfriends when I was a bit younger and now can’t even get an average one to give me a chance. That’s why I now have doubts about how attractive I really am. I used to be two under par now I can’t get on the green.
Because you got those girls in High School, in person, probably living in some smaller place. Now you're in a big city competing with the cream of the crop men.
nailed it
Women are attracted to the top x% men. In a school of a few hundred, being smart, not fat, and having a good reputation might have been enough to put you in the top x% of men. Now you are competing against dudes who have been lifting for a decade, guys who have 42 interesting hobbies, guys who come from rich families, etc. There is what appears to be an endless pool of men, which leaves women with the idea that there is something better out there.
why are you americans so obsessed with hobbies like what do you even mean
train models?
men here mostly work, watch football, play football
Many people I know don't really have hobbies. They work, watch netflix, scroll insta and meet their friends. Getting deeper than surface level into something cost time and money. I guess most people don't want to invest that
I'm still fricking working at 8 pm and started at 9 am how am I supposed to dig deep into anything else other than alcohol
which I don't btw
Sport is a hobby unless you're doing it to a competitive level professionally homie. If you're just stressed about not having a model train set to talk about when they ask you can just say you lift 🙂
>grow my hair out for shits n gigs
>hang out with girl friend, drink a bit, meet one of her friends
>end of the night, friend gushes at me and says how gorgeous my eyes are and how pretty I am
>calls me a FEMBOY
>friend joins in gushing over me
>show them a picture of me with shorter hair
>you've gone from chad to femboy
>flex my bicep at them and say but I have muscle
>they laugh
>tell me I can get any woman I wanted
>mfw, both flattered and mortified
think I might get a haircut, I guess to answer your question shit like this happens
>might get a haircut
are you rarted? That's literally the dream.
how is being perceived as a muscly femboy the fricking dream my guy, it was weird, as I was walking to hers in the city I walked past some guys and one of them mockingly went ''OOooooooo'' and then a random young homeless woman stopped me out of all the people and commented on my arms and my face, think she wanted money, didnt stop
People just tell you if you're attractive enough
>grow up in a poor rural community
>super autistic and no idea how to dress myself, extremely skinny and have a shitty hair cut
>go to college and get compliments from women about my cheek bones
>girls start hitting on me but still don't think much of it
>get into lifting and gain 30lbs, mainly muscle
>more girls hitting on me
>actually had a girl crawl in my bed and kept asking me to have sex with her
>just stayed on my laptop and browsed here
My first, and only, gf actually asked me out because she thought I was hot
Why does autism fricks us over so much? I don't know what other people expect and want. On the other side I lack the creativity to imagine what could be and make it happen
It's an issue with social situations so that's why
It doesn't, recent studies show that Autism is caused by an enlargement of the Amygdala during infancy
You're not bad at social situations because of your Autism but because you were forced into closing yourself off from the world as a coping mechanism since every sound/smell/touch felt like it was killing you as a 1-2 year old
Everyone without development disorders learned to hadnle social situations naturally so, unlike let's say math, it was never thought by your parents/school
In truth you can just learn to not be Autistic kek, i did it trough observation+practice but am also quite gifted, talk to a behavioral therapist and ask them this exact question, they should know how to apply exposure therapy even if they don't know your exact problems
>actually had a girl crawl in my bed and kept asking me to have sex with her
what the frick how hot are you
I've unironically been called a 10 by multiple women but I've done nothing with it at all. Like I said I've only had the one gf and she's the only woman I ever slept with.
Do people like you for no apparent reason?
Do women smile at you?
If not, then I can inform you that it's OVER.
>Think I look average or slightly above average when growing up
>By age 21 something clicks and I realize I'm ugly as shit
>Hate life for years
>Start falling for every lookism/self improvement meme there is
>It's not enough
>I start ranting about Chad to a girl and how girls only want him
>"Dude, you are Chad"
>It's not enough
>Go to a bar and a guy I meet asks me why I'm not approaching any girls because he can tell they're attracted to me
>It's not enough
>Girl with big ass in the gym walks up and asks for my number
>It's not enough
My plastic surgery consultation is in December
Hopefully that'll be enough
You need a therapist
No he needs girlfriend unironically would fix his problems.
>plastic surgery
this'll make u an uggo for sure
dont do it anon its enough you can rest
>My plastic surgery consultation is in December
dude don't
u'll look bogged for the rest of your life
Bogged
I've never been called ugly
I've been called cute and handsome by different women as well as my male friends
Still a virgin
>so this is the power of autism and social anxiety
many such cases, anon, many such cases
>be me, fat my whole life, super round face, mouth breather physiognomy, stutterer, autistic (probably, nah definitely)
>super awkward around everyone
>had friends but they were buttholes and I was a lolcow
>get gf, she was cute but I was super insecure the whole relationship, she ended up cheating on me after I blew up to 275
>we break up, decide to improove, I lose weight to 190 pounds, got some muscles too now
>weight loss reveals chad facial structure, nice jawline, good cheekbones etc
>women showing more interest sometimes, I have a very stern and mean looking face I’m told
>don’t know how to talk to people and they get weirded out and act like I’m a creeper
A tale as old as time on /fit
Can girls detect autism or something?
I'm taller and physically mog all my friends but they all get more pussy than me
Use tinder
>be me a few months ago
>6 foot 220 lbs (a fat frick), long, flat hair and shit taste in clothing
>be me now
>lose 66 lbs, style my hair (so it's not longer glued to my head) and have much better taste in clothing
>have high self-esteem thinking i'm a twink
>be me a few days ago
>take a picture of myself (possibly one of the best)
>look ugly but decide to ask other people for opinion anyway
>get a reality check and realize i've always been ugly
i have nothing to live for
I don't think I have a problem with getting girls interested in me
I do have a problem doing something about it
The truth is, most guys aren't attractive. Not necessary unattractive, but just plain. If you're an attractive guy, you'd likely be very aware of it by now unless you're a total shut-in. If you're attractive,
>people will just outright tell you
>it'd be treated as a known, obvious fact that you're attractive by your friends
>it'd be unusual for you to go out to a bar or a club and not have girls clearly interested in you
The other side of this is that women tend to be into like an overall look or vibe rather than the male version which solely looks at the face or whatever. You can lean into this by being a 'type of guy' and doing that really well.
a kid calls you ugly
Idk stop worrying about lookism redpill theory dumbshit. Get a job, don't be fat or a loser and you will get a girl. Most men are slobs stop overthinking it
Hypermasc here
Usually I can just do whatever I want, I’m also 6’4
I’m not conventionally handsome like the new kids on the block that actually get girls for being feminine (which is cringe but it works)
However I have been described as ruggedly attractive
And since I don’t have to play the “sensitive “ card, I don’t have to try, giving shorter responses to girls, usually just holding eye contact and making them look away because they’re intimidated by me is enough,
Women want a big, masculine dude, and once you turn 25 and above, the hypermasc begins to run the show.
I might not be able to get super petite 18 year olds anymore unless they have a daddy fetish, but in the end women do fantasize about a HYPER MASC to lead them in life.
I do miss some of those teen girls, but I had my time
When I was 18-25, I fricked Over 140 girls of all attractions, including fatties and prostitutes
Now though, I’ve stopped caring entirely and women notice, they can tell I have nothing to gain, nor lose and this makes them attracted to me
Have sex, incels
>act like you don't care or are inconvenienced
6'4 can get away with shit a 5'8 can't
Try imagining yourself as the big man, and then display that attitude, it will boost your self esteem.
Or find some way to handle these interactions that works for you.
I used to spill my spahgetti all the time from caving in these conversations until i realised that eye contanct, saying something relevant, and body posture and how comfortable you look is more important. Litterally just stand there and make yourself comfortable, don't even worrry about speaking, if you have to say nothing, say nothing. once you get comfortable then maybe open up slightly. its way more important to be comfortable with your bodylanguage before your actual language and they translate into each other.
i wish i knew this earlier, bro
don't do the "I don't desire you" thing, you will look even more like a virgin
Black person
how does this "I don't desire you" thing even work
basically incels are afraid of approaching women and being rejected, so they pretend to be aloof and disinterested
I guess after a while we just act cold to everyone because it's what we're used to.
Girls recoil when they make eye contact with you.
should I just pay a hooker to teach me how to frick a woman
I mean in my country when someone got to a certain age, an uncle or grandpa would take him tona trusted prostitute to teach him love, this was before ww2
> mixed reactions growing up. Called ugly and attractive
> being a minority in a predominately white country
> negative comments and racism always stuck with me
> 18, started working a restaurant job
> getting girls was incredibly easy. Slept with most co-workers
> would have one night stands about once a month with girls from random parties and bars
> 90% of girls always made the first move. Had crippling insecurities so I was always too shy to approach anyone
> all ex gfs made the first move
> fast forward to now, 35, no gf and still insecure
> look for validation on dating and image rating apps
Wtf am I doing. Apparently I'm good looking but I've never had the confidence. Feels like I've wasted so much time. Still struggling with issues.
please redeem sir
Have women told you that you were handsome/hot/cute? Relatives dont count
honestly r8 face out of 10 it will probably get worse once my hair really starts to go, but id says I'm average for now. My results would disagree though.
go high and tight, (try to)care less, trust.
You look great btw anon
kek, you're not ugly dude, stop worrying about it
you look like you're taking a shit, loosen up a little and get a buzzcut and you'll look great bro
You're a 10/10
weak chin
you look kind of like a pudgy chud, and kind of pretty good, lose some weight and get a better haircut. also wipe that gormless look off your face
With a shorter haircut you would look pretty handsome
No homosexual tho
you got serial killer eyes anon
what earbuds are they?
JAB earbuds?
Am I ugly? No I'm not underage
Very. Even for a non white.
Damn. Anything I can do to look slightly better?
Nose job. Lip reduction. Fix those toad eyes.
How would I fix toad eyes? Also for the nose and lips I think I'll just remain ugly not worth the hassle
average
Grow more your facial hair get a buzz cut and you're good to go
you look like that one guy in our class that i hate so much
You just know
The best indicator is when moms let's their kids say hi to you
This. If kids approach and talk to you in general you are attractive. Kids have no sense of human decency and social normality so when they see someone unattractive they very clearly will be uncomfortable and avoidant.
>Body type that woman in my country find to be the worst. Thin arms, slim, full ottermode and all, absolute 0/10
>Screwed up with so many setups meeting with female friends from my old college crew, last woman did a number on me that i fricked up so bad that i just went isolated to get my shit together
>Havent talked to a woman ever since
>Borderline sociopath at this point
I just cant fricking take it man im already early 20s and i just cant get around it, i want to get under and over the fact that its was over before even started but threads like this one always get me. I dont understand why i cant just leave it like that but no, i always ends up thinking about im so fricking lonely its unreal
>At friends wedding (I'm in a suit and look about as good as is possible for me)
>Order drink (open bar)
>Look over next to me at two chicks
>Say "sup" acknowledging thier presence not really hitting on them
>Girl 1:"you wanna talk to my friend" and darts off
>Girl 2"no he doesn't" pauses for a second as she realizes Girl 1 fled
>Girl 2 flees
>Bartender holding turns around holding two drinks and ask where they went
>I musta scared them off ha-ha
Not only were they scared/disgusted of me while surrounded by friends and family, girl 1 also totally threw her friend under what she perceived to be a bus.
The better question would be, in case you weren't what are you gonna do about it?
Improve on your body, take a shower, learn how to dress properly and most importantly embrace who you are.
Attractive is such a nebulous concept I wouldn’t even worry about it. For me:
>was a KHV until 22, thought I was ugly. Despite this I had girls hit on me all the time and I just never realised it. Became a frickboy and slayed
>wear my glasses and girls aren’t as attracted
>wear my contacts and they are
>dress like a homeless bum, nobody cares. Dress up, eyes everywhere
>get fatter, less attention. Get leaner, more
If you care about this stuff you should get a good frame and be lean (don’t need to be anywhere near as built as fitizens), dress well, find a hairstyle that fits your face, learning skincare, sleep well, speak slowly and with confidence, be outgoing and happy with etc. These things can improve your ‘looks’ by 1-4 points. Btw most ‘average’ men have bloated and fat faces they could be chads if they cut.
>glasses
For the life of me I can't get contacts in. My closing reflex is so strong.
I've had a nurse use both hands to try and keep my eyelid open to insert a contact. She couldn't do it.
Then she told me to wash my hands, touch my eyeball with my finger a couple of times a day to get over the reflex.
That's when I decided I was gonna stick with glasses my whole life. Funnily enough, I've had women tell me I look attractive, even with the glasses.
>alright looking
>confident and talkative normally
>friendly guy around women
>nervous wreck when doing trying to ask them out or thinking of anything romantic related
I call it the Johnny Bravo effect, I keep telling myself to man up and normalize it but I get very nervous when I actually try it
You can work on anxiety though. Ig you do that you are all set.
This helped me in dark moments and got recommended to me on here. I also bought the anxiety and phobia workbook. Going through it currently and realized some stuff about me that seems so obvious in hindsight