# how many times do you allow yourself to fail PR attempt untill you change your approach to training?

how many times do you allow yourself to fail PR attempt untill you change your approach to training?

for example, let's say you wanna hit 85kg BP for 8 reps but you've been constantly hitting 7 and then failing for 3 weeks straight, do you continue doing that or you do something else next time?

1. 1 month ago
Anonymous

I just keep failing and getting bigger

bump

2. 1 month ago
Anonymous

kind of a limited example
are you attempting this once a week?
is your workout 1 set of 8 and you keep trying to go up in weight?
If I fail once I try to change things.
EG. I wanted to do 160lbs for 3x5 last week. I only got 4 reps on my first set before re-racking (I could have fought for the fifth but I have a shoulder injury and ego lifting days are behind me) then I dropped down to 135 and did a couple sets of 10. Today I was able to do 165 for 8 reps.
Depending on what you're doing the answers will vary. Maybe you are not getting enough rest, maybe you are taking too much rest, maybe you have too much volume, maybe not enough volume, maybe not enough calories or protein.
I'd drop the weight and try to get a PR. Or up the weight and get a PR.
eg. 3x5 with 87.5kg or 3x12 with 75kg...

3. 1 month ago
Anonymous

Do more sets with the same weight, you silly goose
Week 1 = 3 sets of 7 reps = 21 total reps (1785 kg)
Week 2 = 4 sets of 7 reps = 28 total reps (2380 kg)
Week 3 = 5 sets of 7 reps = 35 total reps (2975 kg)
Week 4 = 6 sets of 7 reps = 42 total reps (3570 kg)
Week 5 = 7 sets of 7 reps = 49 total reps (4165 kg )
Voila! You're strong now! So...
Week 6 = 3 sets of 8 reps with more weights

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

>taking 5 weeks to add a single rep to your 85kg bench...
is it really that slow?
Why not just follow mark rippetoe's program?

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

>Why not just follow mark rippetoe's program?
so true. currently on my 14th year of starting strength:
bench - 120000000lbs
OHP - 90000000lbs
Squat - 150000000lbs

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

if you're stalled out at 85kg as a normal sized man you're definitely not following the program
if he was at like 120kg or so I'd recommend a different way, but still to add a single rep in 5 weeks is a bit inefficient, wouldn't you say? maybe at huge weights I can understand it

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

also if you read the book he explains that the novice gains of 5lbs per workout are very short term and alternative programming is required
that's why he's got the following book practical programming

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

if you're stalled out at 85kg as a normal sized man you're definitely not following the program
if he was at like 120kg or so I'd recommend a different way, but still to add a single rep in 5 weeks is a bit inefficient, wouldn't you say? maybe at huge weights I can understand it

It's a simple overload planning, try it and you'll see how you increase muscle mass without following the nonsense that Ripplebreasts says

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

I will consider trying it once I can no longer add another 5lbs to my squats. I'm still in noobie gains. Squat has gone from 95lbs for 5 to 170lbs for 5 in under 20 days (not training sessions, days, rests included)
so yeah once I start to stall I will remember your words

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

Yes, it is quite slow. But that simple planning primarily aims to gain muscle mass, which will produce a certain increase in strength. A specific strength routine wouldn't be at high repetitions

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

isn't 7x8 a little bit too fricking much tho?

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

The Germans do 10x10, so no. Additionally, those are 56 repetitions with a progression of 1 series per week. Learn to train anon

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

with train that big you can pack few dozens of israelites and send them straight to auschwitz birkenau

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

Trains are nice anon

• 1 month ago
Anonymous

>taking 5 weeks to add a single rep to your 85kg bench...
is it really that slow?
Why not just follow mark rippetoe's program?

if you're stalled out at 85kg as a normal sized man you're definitely not following the program
if he was at like 120kg or so I'd recommend a different way, but still to add a single rep in 5 weeks is a bit inefficient, wouldn't you say? maybe at huge weights I can understand it

At these reps and weights I'd get an extra rep just by eating more.

4. 1 month ago
Anonymous

I would just increase training frequency on that lift while reducing it's volume and taking it to failure and even past with pause sets. In the short term that's gotten me to higher weights but it's usually doesn't stick.

5. 1 month ago
Anonymous

I just keep failing. I'll set a rep goal to get more volume to bust through the plateau, like say 25 reps, then take as long as possible, doing like 1-3 reps and resting 8-12 minutes between sets if necessary. By the end my muscles are jelly, I get tendonitis, and have to take a week to recover.

Note: I do not lift a lot, so don't take my advice.