How Painful Is Pinning And How Expensive Is It?

How painful is pinning? Do you guys always just do it in your shoulder? How expensive is it? I'm considering doing it once I'm 25, and I've read that a good beginner steroid is testosterone enanthate. I just want to be Chad.

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    what's the matter, your ISP doesn't get google over there in Chiner?
    >I just want to be Chad
    I'm sure you do but it'll NEVER happen because you're asian and there has never been an asian chad

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm also interested, I can't discern the fake websites from he reals ones online to buy any trt

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Look at eroids, they have reviews for all sites which still such stuff.
      Also buy only from sources which provide verifiable lab tests.

  3. 3 months ago
    Cocopops

    Little painful in a virgin muscle, after that not at all. How expensive it is really depends on what and how much you’re taking. Lurk the /fraud/ general and read the plebbit /r/steroids wiki before you do dumb shit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Little painful in a virgin muscle, after that not at all
      The shit people spew on this site... Holy shit. Who the fuck even spends time with these stupid LARP posts?

      Do you think pinning into a muscle some how "toughens it up"? Are you pinning into literally the exact same spot? Because that is literally the only way you're going to "toughen up" that "virgin muscle".

      I hate you gay so much. You're all nerds and it's exactly why I slam my weights down and death state you skinny gays at the gym. I want you to leave and become little faggy communists and trannies so I can bully you online as well

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's from your body not recognizing the oil or test. It didn't hurt when I did started but I did get a rash from the benzyl alcohol I think the first few times I did it.

      • 3 months ago
        Cocopops

        >Reddit spacing
        >The shit people spew on this site... Holy shit. Who the fuck even spends time with these stupid LARP posts?
        Literally one of the most experienced things among fraudsters since forever is somehow a LARP. It is also described on the steroids wiki of your favorite website.
        >You're all nerds and it's exactly why I slam my weights down and death state you skinny gays at the gym.
        There are other people with autism on this site, you don't have to gloat about it. Also lmoaing at the fact that you think you would even have the balls to look in my direction at the gym.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        what a fucking retard
        kys anon

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pain varies. Sucks when you hit a blood vessel or scar tissue. Not so bad it you find the right spot.

    Cost varies based on doses, cycle length, and compounds. Trt/cruising is like 40-50 bucks a year. Blasts can be in the hundreds all the way to the thousands if you to wild and throw in lots of hgh.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How painful is pinning?
    not painful, just mentally kinda scary. it feels like a pinch.
    >Do you guys always just do it in your shoulder?
    shoulders and quads are where most people start. after you get the hang of things you start thinking about pinning other muscles and using insulin needles.
    when I was cycling I really liked pinning biceps and triceps with a 29g insulin needle
    >How expensive is it?
    everything is cheap. a 10ml vial of testosterone ethanate is between $25-45. needles are 100 for $12. syringes are about 50 cents each
    >I'm considering doing it once I'm 25, and I've read that a good beginner steroid is testosterone enanthate
    correct. 500mg a week for 12 weeks then a 4 week PCT
    >I just want to be Chad.
    steroids wont make you someone you are not but they do bring you attention which can lead to opportunities

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >steroids wont make you someone you are not but they do bring you attention which can lead to opportunities
      I also plan on learning Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and maybe Muay Thai later. I dread the thought of getting in a fight and making a fool of myself. Although, if a person ever pulls a weapon on me, I'm pulling out a firearm.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/IWZSgIg.jpg

      How painful is pinning? Do you guys always just do it in your shoulder? How expensive is it? I'm considering doing it once I'm 25, and I've read that a good beginner steroid is testosterone enanthate. I just want to be Chad.

      >correct. 500mg a week for 12 weeks then a 4 week PCT
      wrong
      500mg test-e e3.5d for 16 weeks, 16 days waiting, then 6-8 weeks pct with 10mg nolva ed, and at least this amount of time (16w+16d+6-8w) completely off after

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Pcting
        Lmao

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >slowly destroying your cardiovascular system
          Lmao

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He thinks actual cruise doses are bad for the heart

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >he thinks proper pct is worse

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              They are. Every effective dose is bad. You do not get sudden organ damage because you went overboard with your cycle. The damage is done as soon as you start using and it has a cumulative effect. That's why people can take drugs for 10 years straight and feel fine and then get the diagnosis despite not making any major changes to their regiment. Organ damage does not show on a bloodtest until it's too late.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's agonizing. I've been shot with a .22 before and it feels like that almost every time, you never get used to it. Did you never get a shot from a doctor as a child?

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >how painful
    varies from "achey" to "little sting". you generally have the needle in you for like a minute or so and how painful it is depends on how wobbly your hands are and how much you're injecting but also is seemingly completely random. i've only ever had a single pin that was painful enough to get a flinch out of me, and that was in my quad. if it hurts just take it out and pin somewhere else. it's definitely not agonising. it's nothing unbearable and it's rarely even uncomfortable.

    i had a panic attack the first time i pinned though. it is 100% way more about anxiety than pain.

    post-injection pain is worse than the actual injection almost every time.

    >shoulder?
    i pin ventroglute, alternating left and right. the more sites you use the better because it spreads out the scar tissue and lets them recover. there's no reason not to use as many sites as you can.

    that said i don't like shoulders or quads. quads have awful PIP and shoulders are a cosmetic feature so i don't wanna have pin scars there.

    >expensive
    steroids are cheaper than the food you will eat while taking them. in my case 80 ausbucks gets me 2500mg of test E from a relatively high-end dealer (he provides HPLC tests for all his batches which come out of his pocket etc.) but i'm in Aus so shit's expensive here.

    >once i'm 25
    definitely wait until you're 25, don't believe the retards who tell you it doesn't make a difference.

    what you have to understand about steroids is that the people giving you advice are the people using it. they are biased. their anecdotes are useful but their opinions rarely are, because almost nobody is capable of saying "i started gear at 18 and it turned me into a low-impulse retard who constantly picks fights and i hate that part of myself and regret my decision" because 1. a low-impulse retard doesn't even have that level of insight and 2. even if they were capable of having it few people can hold such negative opinions about themselves

    continues

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      beginner cycle = 500mg/wk for 16-20 weeks.

      you CAN go higher than this IF you are intelligent, mature, informed, and have your training and diet sorted out. seeing as you're waiting until you're 25 and will therefore have some years of natty training under your belt you might consider doing 1000mg/wk instead.

      the average steroid dose among steroid users is ~700mg/wk according to some research i vaguely remember reading, but i expect that's a midpoint between two clusters - a cluster of low users at 300-500mg/wk and then a second larger cluster of high users at 1000+mg/wk.

      >test enathanate
      correct. don't take orals they're pointless. they're worse for you than injectables and all they bring to the table that injectables don't is transient cosmetic effects that go away as soon as you stop taking them.

      >I just want to be Chad.
      steroids will not make you chad.

      testosterone is the male sex hormone. it will only make you male. "manliness" is socially constructed and often has little or nothing to do with biologically male characteristics.

      there is a certain kind of assholish "toxic masculinity" which steroids can bring out in some people, characterised by picking fights and decreased empathy, but you're a fool if you aspire to that.

      >other things to consider
      preexisting executive dysfunction appears to be a risk factor for developing steroid dependence so if you have e-dysf maybe consider not taking steroids. steroid users generally don't suffer worse outcomes than non-users except in a handful of pretty inconsequential areas, but steroid-dependents suffer much worse outcomes than non-users.

      dependence is diagnosed per pic related. know the signs and if you see them in yourself then get help.

      and lastly, steroids are not harmless. don't listen to the cope from anyone who says they are. but people have been harming themselves in the pursuit of beauty for thousands of years. nothing ever changes.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm curious as well anon, 35 years old. I'm not a chad, but I've got a few years of weight lifting experience behind me, lost most of my youthful gains after a massive leg injury and subsequent couple of years in office work.

      I'm not looking to get massive, more like even out my testosterone with that of my 18 year old self, and a lot of the TRT services don't cater for this sort of market. Would taking test but at a lowe dose give the same effect?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        how you felt at 18 was a product of way more than just testosterone levels.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4190174/
        >In this study, using model selection and validation analysis of data identified and extracted from thirteen studies, we derive and validate a normative model of total testosterone across the lifespan in healthy men. We show that total testosterone peaks [mean (2.5–97.5 percentile)] at 15.4 (7.2–31.1) nmol/L at an average age of 19 years, and falls in the average case [mean (2.5–97.5 percentile)] to 13.0 (6.6–25.3) nmol/L by age 40 years, but we find no evidence for a further fall in mean total testosterone with increasing age through to old age. However we do show that there is an increased variation in total testosterone levels with advancing age after age 40 years.

        if you think you have low test get your test tested (lol) because you might be right, but realistically speaking your test levels probably have little to nothing to do with how you feel. i'm taking 1000mg/wk of test and i can barely tell the difference. i'm a bit more of an asshole when i'm driving (cutting people off) but that's about it. despite all the fetishisation of it, testosterone simply isn't that important. it doesn't make that much of a difference (so long as its within the medium-high normal range). it DOES make a difference, sure, but over the course of a lifetime in a million subtle ways. pinning won't fix any of your problems unless your problem is literally medically low test levels.

        for that reason, low dose is a waste of time. all you get from it is placebo. either do, or don't. shutting down your balls just to put yourself at high natty or barely above high natty is a colossal waste of your own time and risky to boot. the average non-dependent user dose is 700mg/wk, for reference.

        i'm serious tho. bloodtests are free (or at least cheap if you're a burger) so just get one.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          oh and if you do take steroids drink a shitton of water.

          the fucking cramps man.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's fair. I've been tested and I'm in high normal range for my age group. Which is why I asked, there is a lot of marketing out there without much actual information, so I appreciate the time.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Adding to this, if someone's problem is just low or decreasing natural T levels, I'd recommend taking HCG instead of a low doses of T. Has the same effect (moderate increase of T levels to the upper normal level) without the most serious side effect (suppression of the Leydig cells in your testicles which leads to [sometimes permanent] decreased natural testosterone production).

          When I was 22, my physician diagnosed me with borderline low T (like 280 ng/ml, which is just below what's considered "normal", >300). He offered me TRT, but instead, I decided to start injecting HCG on my own, 100 iu every day. This got my levels up to about 800 ng/ml, which is in the upper normal range. Even if I stop taking it, my normal testosterone doesn't decrease below the "baseline" of ~300 ng/ml, because HCG doesn't permanently suppress natural T production (it does suppress the production of Luteinizing hormone - which is the hormone that normally stimulates your testicles to make testosterone - in your pineal gland, but that suppression is completely temporary and your LH levels return to what's normal after a few days without HCG).

          Btw, I'd also recommend to take small doses of HCG on cycle as well if you take any AAS. Few people do this, but that's stupid, because HCG can always prevent testicular atrophy and you thus won't suffer from any permanent side effects if you ever decide to stop roiding.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hcg also makes the transition from on and off cycle smoother if you aren't cruising. But most roiders are perma taking testosterone out of fear of losing size and strength going off cycle.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          > has such poor androgen receptors he needs to pin at least 700mg to get an effect

          Just quit lifting lol
          > your balls
          > doesn't know about hcg

          These threads are always the worst on the chans.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >who tell you it doesn't make a difference.
      what difference does it make?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        basically before 25 your brain is "open for instructions" and your hormones are the instructions that tell it whether to turn into a male brain or a female brain, among other things. your life experiences play a role too and genetics etc. etc.

        if you take gear before 25 you fuck up the instructions and your brain grows wrong. you end up with exaggerated male features and poorer executive function. to put it in real life terms, you end up as one of those guys with a really short fuse who overreacts to fucking nothing and is obsessed about the most trivial interpersonal drama, slights, grudges, etc.

        if you take gear after 25 you get those effects temporarily because of the level of hormones in your blood but because your brain has finished growing there are no permanent alterations to its actual structure. once you stop taking the gear the effects go away and your brain is the same as ever.

        so gear under 25 = changes are permanent and accumulate, becoming more and more intense even on the same dosages, because half the effect is coming from the changes the drugs are causing in your actual brain, not the drugs themselves. gear over 25 = changes are temporary and go away when you stop taking it, they don't accumulate and the intensity is just dose-dependent.

        caveats: if you take enough gear to be considered a dependent user (mean weekly dose 1300mg/wk and mean length of use 13 years) then you fuck up your brain anyway because steroids, especially the harsher ones that dependent users use, are neurotoxic. but if you're a non-dependent user (mean weekly dose 700mg/wk mean length of use 6 years) then everything except working visuppatial memory and executive function is not significantly different from a non-user. to fuck yourself up after 25 you have to take a LOT of gear. to fuck yourself up before 25 you don't need to take very much at all

        all this is based on studies i read but i cannot for the life of me find the one that specifically talks about this.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not painful if done right, less painful than popping a pimple or pulling out nose hair, I'd say. And no, injecting into your arm is not what most people usually do, because it's very annoying. Quads are much easier.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good to know. I greatly appreciate all the advice in this thread. Dave Palumbo also recommends injecting slowly to avoid damaging blood vessels and nerves.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dave Palumbo has a pacemaker keeping his heart ticking.
        He also has thyroid cancer.
        And many surgeries on his joints.
        He used steroids and other peds in his younger days which contributed to his current state.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't plan on doing extreme shit. I just want to get to the point where I'm a buff chad. That's why I've mentioned taking testosterone enanthate.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Testosterone Enanthate is a powerful steroid that shortens lifespan. Any dose that raises your testosterone levels above the normal physiologic level is dangerous and can cause adverse health conditions.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Test is a powerful steroid
              Lol. It's mild at best. Also not true that any supra physiologic dose is dangerous. Depends on the person. That's why blood work and monitoring blood pressure is important.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  10. 3 months ago
    Sage

    Reminder that this retard is OP. Don't give him advice.

    [...]

    >I know I am one already. I'd feel better about myself being strong and muscular though, being able to get jobs easily, having people listen to you instead of write you off because you're weak, being seen as a man by others - even if its a beta man being seen as a man is better than being seen as what I am now.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno. I killed the moron dealer in my area, and now I have a year and a half worth of free cycle.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    How much does tren cost?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends, are you topping or bottoming for me? 🙂

      It should be priced similarly to test, not much more expensive. Maybe 120-140% the price of test?

      The problem with "more potent" gear is not that they overcharge it's that they underdose or sell you a cheaper compound with the wrong label, so get it tested if it doesn't come with certification from the vendor. Never forget that you're dealing with drug dealers.

      Ironically buying drugs convinced me to stop being a libertarian because I miss being able to buy shit without worrying that there was lead or arsenic in it.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I run accutane 20mg eod with test e 350 and primo 400mg yearly with insulin needles. You feel nothing. No AI needed and low to no acne. Just take TUDCA on cycle

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >with insulin needles. You feel nothing
      yup. it took learning but i know all the right spots to hit in each area of muscle so it goes in smooth like butter. my biggest mistake was using bigger and lengthier needles for the first years. made pinning unnecessarily painful and not something to look forward to. i can load a pin and inject in less than a minute now eazy

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    pinning first time in a muscle leave a a lot of post injection pain for a few days after. After that, it's fine.

    It's not bad or scarry pain like sharp pains or something, just a lot of soreness when you move.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Randy is the biggest reason not to do roids

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is why you should cycle with accutane. Horrible.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      i got acne like this on cycle, was horrible and it still goin on a year later after i stopped, slowly going away

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not painful.
    If just running test, its cheaper than having one whey protein shake per day.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    All these chuds saying you won’t become chad don’t know squat. If you have the physical attributes in place to be one but can’t realize your potential due to high inhibition then roids can absolutely change your mindset over time. Hormones have powerful effects on mindset and behavior. Personally I went from having regular panic attacks to losing virtually all fear in social situations after going from low test to running a few cycles. Even when cruising the beneficial mental effects remain since I now have a positive feedback loop to base my confidence on.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      ?? i know what a squat is dumbass fuck off

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I used to pin with slin needles and it barely hurt at all. Only problem is you can't go super deep into the muscle and you have to warm up your gear slightly or it takes forever to draw.

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely nothing. You have no business roiding if you are afraid of a little needle

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely no one will get aggressive just from test alone. If you see someone roid rage I guarantee you they are on tren or some other shit.

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