How the frick did they look like this before roids were invented?

How the frick did they look like this before roids were invented?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a crazy fat dude said it's because the government puts gay juice in the water.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The. Freaking. Frogs gay.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      consider that your position appears to be that the stuff coming out of most people's taps is not harmful to their health.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because that is a naturally obtainable physique, even in an era where exercise and nutrition was far less understood.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >where exercise and nutrition was far less understood.
      this is not really true. whats new is more advancing peaking for strength atheletes where they lose muscle while recovering from fatigue and volume induced slowness and sharpen their neural stuff... and more and better roids. its same stuff for natty meatheads. lift hard, rest enough eat and sleep. duh.

      The opposite. Reeves is well known to have been Dr Ziegler's guinea pig for Dbol. Park wasn't natty either. It's obvious just looking at them that they are using but regardless we know they weren't natty. So quite why there are so many DYELs on the internet who type with so much authority that they KNOW people who are known drug-users are natural, when they themselves have never built even half the physique they have, is strange to me. You are coping. You can look good as a natty, and I don't think people should use steroids, but you need to stop coping by normalising these sorts of drug freaks as naturals.

      Park almost certainly wasnt natty. 500lbs bench. for doing it natty you would need to be big boned highly androgenic 6'6 mootant freak.

      full rom push-ups and no sneed oils

      no sneed oil is what gave them good skin despite all that tanning. eating literal feces is healthier than sneed.

      moronic Reagan strikes again

      worst president ever. hes responsible not only for bad economics but also for rise of cartels and abomination hip hop rap ghetto "culture" which ruined music and fashion from mid 90s onwards. without crack epidemic caused by his anti commie shady operations it would not happen. shit actor too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so why dont you look like that?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        most people don't look like that because it's difficult to attain. any other moronic questions?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Synthetic testosterone was invented in the 30s. They were all on something.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's not like it came out and they all hopped on a cycle

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yup guy on the left is all natural while they guy on the right is the roid king.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking moron. Steve Reeves at 19 =/= Arnold era. Just because its a black and white photo doesnt mean it happened in the same years

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Here is Park in 1952. 15 years before that Arnold pic was taken. All of these Silver era bodybuilders were on test at the minimum and probably insulin which was also discovered in the 20s.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think they used insulin tbh, it's of limited benefit without gh and I don't think there understood at the time how it could be useful anyway. I absolutely agree that at a minimum they used test propionate which like you said was widely available in athletic circles from the 30's onwards

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they were not on insulin lmfao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dubs of no knowledge - bodybuilders used to be masters of esoteric knowledge in pursuit of strength.
                they have always been on the cutting edge of medical supplementation - even now once you reach the actual upper echelon you start having interactions with warrior priests taking forbidden stacks

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're calling someone a moron when you aren't even talking about the right person. The person in Arnold's picture isn't reeves moron

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Im well aware of that fricking moron. Thhats why i said steve reeves not reg park fricking mutt whote

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay moron, you definitely knew that wasn't reeves lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/U3GMuBI.jpeg

          How the frick did they look like this before roids were invented?

          This is the picture that proves they were using. A slightly past it reg park was just as big as an on the rise young Arnold. Arnold clearly improved later but he already had the majority of his mass.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just to continue on this point, it’s not even a knock on them saying they weren’t natty. It’s insane how delusional guys are who think they can do this natty. I guarantee if you think that, not only is it impossible for you to look like park or reeves natty, you’d never look look like them even WITH gear. But frankly most people are delusional not just clueless morons who don’t understand what’s possible natty. Reg park was a champion bodybuilder for a reason. Most people can’t look as good as him regardless of how much gear they use and no one can natty not a single person on the face of the earth

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its really fricking sad youve convinced yourself of this. If these guys are 6', they weigh what, 200lbs max? Maybe your low t ass cant get there without roids but ive weighlifted on and off since gradeschool, probably 8ish years of consistent training (actually knowing what im doing, probably 4 years) and im roughly here. These dudes at this point have probably 10+ years consistent training.
              This is natty. If you think you need roids for this it says alot about you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I look like a young Arnold natty
                You're just fat and delusional.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post body.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                delusional as frick

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Delusional

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post body or stfu lol. I'm a natty and these roidgays are roidgays and I'm probably bigger and more shredded than you mongrel. Mf got noobgains and thinks he is superman

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I always see the blonde cat on the left in these Arnold shots and I personally like his physique the most. His core makes him look thicker to me and not to copy the yokeposter but I do like his giant traps. Don't get me wrong Arnie and Reeves have superb proportions but if I could attain one of these three modes as my own I might actually pick left.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dave Draper. Super cool dude who just died a few years ago - maybe covid? Awesome physique and look. Hes got some good writings out there. Not natty.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Arnold is way leaner and bigger what are you talking about. Compare their quads are their biceps or abs ffs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/uHk8Wa1.jpeg

          Here is Park in 1952. 15 years before that Arnold pic was taken. All of these Silver era bodybuilders were on test at the minimum and probably insulin which was also discovered in the 20s.

          [...]
          This is the picture that proves they were using. A slightly past it reg park was just as big as an on the rise young Arnold. Arnold clearly improved later but he already had the majority of his mass.

          Reg is nowhere as big as Arnold here. When they completed Arnold won and it wasn't even close. It's not muscle bellies and inserts, Arnold is clearly much heavier and bigger while being as lean or leaner than Reg. Reg was likely using at this point but wasn't for most of his career, like most bodybuilders in the fricking 1940's, you morons.

          Sean Connery was dyel by this mentally ill board's standards and he gave it up not because of pervasive drug usage or some bullshit that didn't even exist then, but because he couldn't fathom lifting weights year-round like the American bodybuilders. Reg was happy to oblige in order to compete at the most elite levels. He did and won big. Just as Arnold was happy to roid in his teens and train non-stop for decades.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Arnie is just off cycle in that pic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Two decades between the invention and that pic, bro.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Soviets (east germany especially) were all trying to figure out how to exploit steroids for athletes to win olympic medals and shit to boost their records.

      Because that is a naturally obtainable physique, even in an era where exercise and nutrition was far less understood.

      The guys mostly did bodyweight exercises when growing up for athletics classes and organized workouts etc, then they did weight lifting and bulked winter and cut through summer, almost all of the ones with big lats were doing pull ups and chin ups.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        East Germany finished 2nd in the like 4 summer Olympics in a row behind only Russia. A huge.amount of women's records are still held by former East Germans. Probably the most successful doping program of all time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but they didn’t know about it’s anabolic effects until the 50’s, and even then it didn’t become mainstream until the 60’s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes but they didn’t know about it’s anabolic effects until the 50’s, and even then it didn’t become mainstream until the 60’s
        Are you daft?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but this is pretty typical for a host country to do exceedingly well. Them taking test so early is only rumored but they did have other advantages given German autism and nazi race science, facilities, etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/8X3xuz6.png

      >Yes but they didn’t know about it’s anabolic effects until the 50’s, and even then it didn’t become mainstream until the 60’s
      Are you daft?

      Pretty much this

      Yes but they didn’t know about it’s anabolic effects until the 50’s, and even then it didn’t become mainstream until the 60’s

      it's not like it came out and they all hopped on a cycle

      Adolf Hitler was on test and the test back then was not as effective and generally speaking most people except doctors knew about it.
      Took until the early 50s until people abused it for gains and competitions.
      Could be that the germans tried it first at the summer Olympics in 1936 but there is no proof of it.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steroids were invented in 1935 (originally to treat hypogonadism). By 1950, its use was extremely widespread in bodybuilding and sports. Steve Reeves (dude in your pic), was already on the juice in the 1950's during his peak. It wasn't outlawed in the US until 1990, with an Olympic ban in 1975, so there was every reason for him and others to use it during that period. They wouldn't even have known the downsides at the time as it was so new and unregulated.

    Feel free to put on your tin foil hat and come up with other reasons though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually roids became illegal in the 80s because of the war on drugs afaik.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moronic reagan strikes again

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/kNOOyNP.jpeg

          >where exercise and nutrition was far less understood.
          this is not really true. whats new is more advancing peaking for strength atheletes where they lose muscle while recovering from fatigue and volume induced slowness and sharpen their neural stuff... and more and better roids. its same stuff for natty meatheads. lift hard, rest enough eat and sleep. duh.
          [...]
          Park almost certainly wasnt natty. 500lbs bench. for doing it natty you would need to be big boned highly androgenic 6'6 mootant freak.
          [...]
          no sneed oil is what gave them good skin despite all that tanning. eating literal feces is healthier than sneed.
          [...]
          worst president ever. hes responsible not only for bad economics but also for rise of cartels and abomination hip hop rap ghetto "culture" which ruined music and fashion from mid 90s onwards. without crack epidemic caused by his anti commie shady operations it would not happen. shit actor too.

          Shitskins spotted

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >invented in 1935
      You cannot invent a class of compounds. It existed before that in the human. "Steroids" also include compounds like cortisol (hemorrhoid cream) and the dozen or so other hormones of the same class produced naturally in the human body and in other animals. 1935 was just the first time it was synthesized in a laboratory.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the testosterone available in 1935 was not synthesized in a lab but simply extracted from the testicles of animals and concentrated into an injectable
        it wouldn't be available for bodybuilders since it was insanely expensive and only small doses worldwide were available, it was known by experts for having shit sides and being overall ineffective

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It wasn't available until 1936 and 1937 when methyl test and propionate was synthesized and introduced. The "extracts" were about 10 mcg synthesized from 100kg of bull testicles. You'd have to slaughter a lot of animals just to get a little bit of test for a single dose.
          >insanely expensive
          So expensive it was never actually marketed. It's best on your part to not make up things about testosterone in any for being used before 1936. It simply did not exist in any form. The best you might find are some scams in muscle magazines. Some advice for you, it's best to not post about things you know nothing about.

          What was known for having terrible side effects was methyl testosterone. However, it was still used as it was effective for treating hypogonadism.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you moronic?
            testosterone for the purpose of use in humans was already available in 1935, but it was extracted from testicles and wasn't synthesised in a lab like I sad in my earlier post this is a fact, it was prohibitively expensive because it wasn't available commercially, but it was used in humans nonetheless and it had shit results
            >What was known for having terrible side effects was methyl testosterone
            both had shit sides and were ineffective for anabolism
            no PED's existed before 1956 in western countries

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >testosterone for the purpose of use in humans was already available in 1935
              If you think it was, then you're moronic.
              >it was extracted from testicles and wasn't synthesised in a lab
              It's 40 lbs of testicles for 20mcg of testosterone. You would need 50 times that for 1mg. So 2 tons of testicles for 1mg
              >extracted
              >wasn't synthesised
              Testosterone was crystalized. Crystalization is a form of chemical synthesis. Hence the testosterone was synthesized.
              >this is a fact
              Considering that the lighter medical doses were often more along the lines of 10-50 mg would require 20 to 100 tons of testicles. You'd likely have to slaughter an entire nation's herd of cattle and more just for one small dose. Pretending it would be available to the market when that much material was required for the first ever chemical synthesis is ludicrous. You are entirely wrong. It would be until 1936 and 1937 that the first more available forms of testosterone would be available to some market.
              >both had shit sides and were ineffective for anabolism
              Propionate is still used by some people today as an androgen.
              >no PED's existed before 1956 in western countries
              Propionate was available at least by 1950 in the US.
              Enanthate in 1954.
              Cypionate in 1951.
              Isobutyrate in 1953.

              The 1956 number is only related to Bill Pearl who admitted to using Nilevar (Norethandrolone).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I personally like prop it just fricking hurts

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why does it hurt?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He obviously meant the form of synthetic man made testosterone that you can buy that comes in a pill or syringe not the actual chemical compound you useless pedant homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh shit, thanks for teaching a newbie something

      >for a white guy
      Brownoid racial phylogenist in the chat

      >you MUST be brown for calling a white guy a white guy

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Drugs are invented 30 years before its offically announced most of the time.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and they all had slim balanced legs, despite not skipping squats, meanwhile almost every single gym goer, who doesn't skip legs, even beginners doing simple compound routines, has overdeveloped quads. what gives?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't squat heavy. Also they did lots of isolations, which results in bigger limbs and smaller torsos, which is more aesthetic. Nowadays, bodybuilders use more compounds because of that powerbuilding meme, so they have bigger torsos and smaller limbs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick do you mean by over developed quads? Do you mean in relation in hammies and glutes or are you just a moron who likes small legs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >even beginners doing simple compound routines
      what the frick is wrong with simple compound routines?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that they're not simple at all. If someone can get a decent hold of mind muscle connection and technique then they can learn compounds much easier than the other way around Imo.

        But I can see arguments being made both ways. I remember when I was doing starting strength the technique was very difficult as my cns wasn't developed yet.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know what connection you are talking about, but I went from DYEL to fairly okay just doing compounds. Why do I do them?
          1. Easy to remember what to do
          2. limited time, can't spend hours at the gym
          3. it's fun to perfect your form in a few lifts and it took me like 3 months to do them well.

          I go 3x a week to the gym and spend max 45 minutes there. Do I look like a roided out moron? no, but I look better than 95% of all men in society.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            pic related. compounds only for about 6 months

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I am convinced I'm low t or something. This is my thread

              [...]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can read reeves stuff. He intentionally avoided what he called ‘turnip thighs’. Their ideal was that the area of the quad around the knee should be almost as wide as the area by the hip. He wanted to avoid large adductors in particular. He did lots of hack squats with heels elevated to achieve this goal. I don’t think he ever flat squatted once he figured things out and definitely no low bar. Most guys now do wide stance low bar squats for back weight which leads to unaesthetic legs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *for max weight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most guys now do wide stance low bar squats for back weight which leads to unaesthetic legs
        Most guys don't have leg genetics and neither do bodybuilding competitions value legs.
        also post legs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They always did full body routines usually putting legs last or doing less for legs then upper body. No wasting a day in the gym doing moronic leg days when they could use that time building the upper body and doing some leg training at the beginning or end of the workout.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you think these guys are built like arnold, you're moronic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Just because you roid you'll have Arnold physique!

      lmao, Arnold already looked like that prior to steroids and then just beefed up his physique. Guy on the right though is roiding.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's reg park.
        BMI=29. Roids not needed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unrealistic to have abs like that at that BMI for a white guy. You need lighter BMI to see your abs at all like 22-24, those are some roid monkey shoulders as well.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >for a white guy
            Brownoid racial phylogenist in the chat

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it's just fricking facts lmao.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's have more muscle than asians and mestizos.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wow, recovering alcoholics have really big muscles. Especially the young girls.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Brownoids never learn.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Arnold already looked like that prior to steroids
        Arnold, by his own admission was using steroids aged 15 pretty much as soon as he started bodybuilding seriously.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this pic shatters any "STEVE REVES IS ROIDCEL" arguments

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He roided doe. Keep in mind that there was no stigma against juicing back then. If you care about roiding you basically fell for war on drugs-era memes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he fell for the Big Roid propaganda

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He only spent decades railing against steroids and drugs and calling anyone who did them a gay. He also wasn't the gatekeeping type. Steve Reeves was the pinnacle natty GOD

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its called great genetics. There are guys walking around rn that will never enter the gym but are capable of looking like that if they did. Such is life. 210lbs at 6'1 and thick bones is not impossible.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >210lbs at 6'1 and thick bones is not impossible
      I was just at a metal concert and me, 6'4", and this 6'5" guy just completely overpowered them. I bear hugged them like little kids while the 6'5" guy wrecked their shit when they charged into each other.

      https://i.imgur.com/wd0oJIl.png

      And Sandow would be considered fridgemode otter nowadays.

      Note Sandow has less bodyfat and a bigger back, bigger arms, bigger legs and bigger glutes than Herc.

      People weren't really muscular before the post war era because nobody did multi set training so they lacked volume. Greek statues are by far the most muscular premodern depictions of men, and they're all DYEL. Yes, even the Hercules Farnese, which is smaller than Eugen Sandow was, and Sandow is pretty much DYEL by modern standards.

      Sandow was an actual strongman who could do impressive feats of strength, and existed before homosexual steroids. Hackenschmidt mogs both those guys anyways

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All the old timey strongman guys were on amphetamines and coke

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Keep looking for blackpills, you excuse making homosexual.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then why aren't you?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I was just at a metal concert
        Metal is alright, but you sound like a total homosexual talking about this like you're some badass. You are a homosexual lol

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If a 1:1 statue of a man from 10,000 B.C. were uncovered, and he turned out to be muscular IST would say it was only the result of some extinct animal he was eating that significantly increased his testosterone production. I hate this fricking place like you wouldn't believe.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People weren't really muscular before the post war era because nobody did multi set training so they lacked volume. Greek statues are by far the most muscular premodern depictions of men, and they're all DYEL. Yes, even the Hercules Farnese, which is smaller than Eugen Sandow was, and Sandow is pretty much DYEL by modern standards.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Note Sandow has less bodyfat and a bigger back, bigger arms, bigger legs and bigger glutes than Herc.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And Sandow would be considered fridgemode otter nowadays.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We have no idea what “muscular” people in antiquity really looked like. We know that industrial revolution wagies were DYELs because they were constantly poisoned and ate gruel. We don’t know if ancient greeks were fuarkin hueg or not.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          here another guys with natural body tyoe for our species.
          oh and forgot to add. pufa also causes hair loss or at least contributes heavily. 03 is even worse with ppar stuff. fish oip even causes prostate cancer
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17300229/

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I love their eyes.

            NO NPC stare.

            You feel the presence of living thinking being. Like with many animals. They may not elaborately think but they are there.

            Same cant be said for humans to deep in soc media.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What you call NPC stare is just learned helplessness stare. They are weak people that find comfort in selling their soul to be part of the public.

              The chronic stress that comes from inescapable situations, whether you realize it consciously or subconsciously as society is too limiting, will do a number on anyone.

              We are shut in but how do we cope? Neetbuxing? Not giving a frick and living a parallel life? You realize none of these are long-term solutions and if shit hits the fan we are just as gone as they are. Look at Ukraine.

              How does anyone not become demoralized nowadays? Have a certain set of firm beliefs that you uphold?
              >inb4 lmao American gun meme

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Christianity

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        muscles don't store the number of sets you do on data banks, the first set you do in a workout for a muscle is by far the most productive
        multi set training already existed before WW2 and even WW1 they just didn't have the term for it
        "multi set training" was done with very high frequency(3-5x a week full body) much higher frequency than contemporary bodybuidlers have used for the last 70 years
        the reason why people weren't as muscular before the world wars is not because LE SUPER SECRET TRAINING MUSCLE GROWTH MAGIC PROGRAM but rather because they weren't on androgenic anabolic steroids lol
        the difference between the muscle mass a natural can obtain from hard training and what an enhanced trainee can obtain is like 1:3 the intricate differences in training wouldn't amount to anything anywhere near as significant as what one gets from anabolics

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muscles don't store the number of sets you do on data banks, the first set you do in a workout for a muscle is by far the most productive
          lrn2volume
          >multi set training already existed before WW2 and even WW1 they just didn't have the term for it
          No it didn't. It was invented after WW2 by an American doctor to rehab army veterans.
          >"multi set training" was done with very high frequency(3-5x a week full body) much higher frequency than contemporary bodybuidlers have used for the last 70 years
          lol are you from /misc/?
          >the reason why people weren't as muscular before the world wars is not because LE SUPER SECRET TRAINING MUSCLE GROWTH MAGIC PROGRAM but rather because they weren't on androgenic anabolic steroids lol
          Roids were first used in the 1800s.
          > the intricate differences in training wouldn't amount to anything anywhere near as significant as what one gets from anabolics
          Bull fricking shit. A marathon runner who does some push ups on the side has less muscle mass than a bodybuilder, natty or not.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >lrn2volume
            lrn2physiology
            >No it didn't.
            yes it did
            > It was invented after WW2 by an American doctor to rehab army veterans.
            I heard this fairytale before
            yet many used multiple sets per exercise in their training regimes before WW2
            you're wrong
            >lol are you from /misc/?
            NOOO NOT LE /misc/
            >Roids were first used in the 1800s.
            multi set training was used since before the 1800s
            >Bull fricking shit
            lol do I sense a roidgay's feelings getting hurt?
            >A marathon runner who does some push ups on the side has less muscle mass than a bodybuilder, natty or not
            woah a ridiculous scenario that provided that marathon runner was using steroids would make him end up with far more muscle mass than the same individual doing the same thing naturally
            commence the cope I guess

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            now let's look at what LE SCIENCE actually says about adjusting training variables and the differences they make in hypertrophy results
            https://sci-hub.st/10.1152/japplphysiol.00350.2019
            pic related
            literally no detectable difference
            adding more sets doesn't do anything
            changing exercises doesn't do anything
            adding more reps doesn't do anything
            changing rest times doesn't do anything
            adding training tonnague doesn't do anything

            yet taking 600mg of testosterone a week can increase muscle gain rates by over 300% compared to if you did it naturally
            huh, I am beginning to think it's not the Multi-Set Training System © that made bodybuilders gain size over the years, but rather the androgenic anabolic steroids they have been experimenting with since WW2

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There were no efficacious steroids available for bodybuilders until the mid 50s and they did not become normative untill the 60s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                may be true but it doesn't matter because my point is that 20's, 30's and 40's bodybuilders were about as big as the average natural can ever hope to get
                to this day you won't be able to find a natural bodybuilder in any gym you're in with a FFMI that exceeds those of bodybuilding legends from those eras with similar conditioning no matter how they train

                both protocols in that study were multi set training
                >The CON protocol consisted of 8 sets (4 sets
                of unilateral leg press followed by 4 sets of unilateral leg extension exercise) of 9 –12 repetitions of resistance exercise to concentric failure with a 2-min interset rest interval.

                >both protocols in that study were multi set training
                that's not the point
                that study showed that changing training variables significantly did absolutely nothing whereas the studies we have on testosterone show drastic changes

                multi set training already existed way before steroids came into the picture and everyone was doing it with the exception of very few people who did 1 set on multiple exercises for the same muscle each session anyway which would mean that even those people were doing multiple sets for the same muscle in one workout multiple times a week following a "single set" system
                the single set training method was used only when frequency was high too so it wouldn't make any significant difference if they trained more like people today(less frequently but with more per session volume)
                in fact I would argue that they would be worse of

                >they were all on roids
                >they all had elite genetics
                >they all had elite esoteric training methods kept secret from the unwashed masses
                Excuses. You could look just as good as any of these dudes but you want to b***h and moan instead.

                steve reeves FFMI was calculated to be around 26
                reg park FFMI was calculated to be around the same
                average recreational trained lifter has a FFMI of 20-21

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >steve reeves FFMI was calculated to be around 26
                >reg park FFMI was calculated to be around the same
                Yep, and they were natty.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Reg park natty
                >Steve Reeves natty
                You're either underage , baiting or completely fricking stupid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they're not because... because they JUST AREN'T OK??
                Cope and sneed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                maybe they were
                doesn't change the fact that they are extreme outliers and most people will never be at their level naturally
                keep in mind that the average FFMI of self admitted steroid users in recreational gyms is just under 25
                frank zane had a FFMI of 24.5-26 in his competitive years

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is the actual FFMI data on every Mr. America winner. The average was 25.4, with the highest being Delinger at a FFMI of 28. That is what an ACTUAL outlier looks like. He won in 49 which is before any even potentially efficiacious anabolic steroids were available in America. We have countless examples from the natural era of what is achievable for a natural at the top of his game, not just Mr. America winners.
                >frank zane had a FFMI of 24.5-26 in his competitive years
                Yes, nothing about Zane's size was ever unachievable. Just look at him when he stands next to Arnold, for instance. He's absolutely dwarfed. Zane was by far the smallest of all the Golden Era icons. What made Zane's physique steroidal was the fact that he was able to maintain a FFMI of c. 25 at single digit bodyfat. That was Zane's contribution: his extremely leanness. This is not comparable to Silver Era competitors who were expected to walk up on stage with 15-12% BF.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is the actual FFMI data on every Mr. America winner
                yeah seen that before there have been plenty of critiques casting doubts at those numbers
                let's just say that those numbers are very generous since body measurements and bodyweight were usually inflated and or bodyfat% underestimated
                >The average was 25.4
                you mean the average winner the average winner according to the estimates in that one singular study was 25.4
                >with the highest being Delinger at a FFMI of 28
                what are the chances that is inflated vs the chances of him being an actual superhuman outlier?
                all these winners were already outliers
                >He won in 49 which is before any even potentially efficiacious anabolic steroids were available in America.
                yes and this is what he looked like
                according to the estimates you posted and you believe in this man in pic related has the same FFMI as arnold did for the majority of his competitive years (225-230lbs contest shape at 6'1 at 8%bf)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The study that put out those numbers is also the same study that had roiders self-report at 25 FFMI. Greg Nuckols has an article on it: gregnuckols.com/2016/12/11/ffmi/
                >according to the estimates you posted and you believe in this man in pic related has the same FFMI as arnold did for the majority of his competitive years (225-230lbs contest shape at 6'1 at 8%bf)
                As I pointed out with Zane, there is a world's difference between maintaining a certain FFM at 15% BF, and maintaining that same mass at 8%. One of the main effects of steroids on the sport of bodybuilding wasn't just at competitors got bigger but also that they got a lot leaner. Steroids allow you to maintain a whole lot more muscle on a cut than natties can. Silver era blokes would bulk IN TO a competition. It was a different game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The study that put out those numbers is also the same study that had roiders self-report at 25 FFMI.
                they didn't self report, they picked up dozens of lifters and had their body measurements taken and then had their FFMI calculated
                as opposed to the estimations you posted based on the supposed silver era bodybuilder stats which I can bet my nuts were using inflated measurements and underestimated bodyfat%
                >greg nuckols has an article on it
                I know, I shat all over it when he published it
                > there is a world's difference between maintaining a certain FFM at 15% BF, and maintaining that same mass at 8%
                yeah FFMI doesn't take into account the water content that bodyfat itself has, but that doesn't explain the colossal difference between this

                https://i.imgur.com/nx5BT1d.jpeg

                >This is the actual FFMI data on every Mr. America winner
                yeah seen that before there have been plenty of critiques casting doubts at those numbers
                let's just say that those numbers are very generous since body measurements and bodyweight were usually inflated and or bodyfat% underestimated
                >The average was 25.4
                you mean the average winner the average winner according to the estimates in that one singular study was 25.4
                >with the highest being Delinger at a FFMI of 28
                what are the chances that is inflated vs the chances of him being an actual superhuman outlier?
                all these winners were already outliers
                >He won in 49 which is before any even potentially efficiacious anabolic steroids were available in America.
                yes and this is what he looked like
                according to the estimates you posted and you believe in this man in pic related has the same FFMI as arnold did for the majority of his competitive years (225-230lbs contest shape at 6'1 at 8%bf)

                and pic related despite having supposedly the same FFMI of 28 I mean they aren't even on the same universe

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              both protocols in that study were multi set training
              >The CON protocol consisted of 8 sets (4 sets
              of unilateral leg press followed by 4 sets of unilateral leg extension exercise) of 9 –12 repetitions of resistance exercise to concentric failure with a 2-min interset rest interval.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Hercules Farnese
        >DYEL

        no matter how many roids you take you will always be mentally ill

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Note Sandow has less bodyfat and a bigger back, bigger arms, bigger legs and bigger glutes than Herc.

        Lmao at this sperg. That hercules statue is clearly meant to protray a +6ft4 dude, look at the head to body ratio. You can't just resize him to fit 5ft6 Sandow. That's like saying Randy Orton is dyel compared to Greg Doucette

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sandow
          He didn't know what a bench press was btw
          It wasn't a popular exercise at all actually and his pecs are pretty evident of that

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No powershitting
    No anime
    No keto
    No internet

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >before roids were invented?
    LIES, 1935, before war was over everyone was on roids lol
    https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=steeve+reeves&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
    he could have been juicing since he was 10

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1935, before war was over everyone was on roids
      Source?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        history of roids u dumb frick

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    time-traveling roid salesmen

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    morons see incredibly aesthetic plausibly natty dudes and look for any kind of "evidence" to convince themselves they weren't natty so they can feel better about themselves instead of looking up to these guys as inspiration. You're just like women.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The opposite. Reeves is well known to have been Dr Ziegler's guinea pig for Dbol. Park wasn't natty either. It's obvious just looking at them that they are using but regardless we know they weren't natty. So quite why there are so many DYELs on the internet who type with so much authority that they KNOW people who are known drug-users are natural, when they themselves have never built even half the physique they have, is strange to me. You are coping. You can look good as a natty, and I don't think people should use steroids, but you need to stop coping by normalising these sorts of drug freaks as naturals.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Reeves is well known to have been Dr Ziegler's guinea pig for Dbol
        That was Grimek.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Reeves is well known to have been Dr Ziegler's guinea pig for Dbol
        That would be John Grimek not Reeves. Reeves was not known to have participated in Ziegler's experiments.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    full rom push-ups and no sneed oils

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao this is attainable with like, 5 years maybe consistent lifting. You dont need juice to look like this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm assuming you've achieved this kind of body and are willing to post body

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't even have half their bone mass and structure, let alone look ANYTHING remotely close to them in aesthetics or muscle mass for the matter.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Being short.
    2. Being wealthy (see: didn't need to work)
    3. Sucking in their breath and whatever for posing on the single most low bf% day of their entire year for the afternoon

    They didn't look like that all the time and it's nothing particularly impressive given the laborious work before computers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Being wealthy (see: didn't need to work)
      Nah bodybuilders are broke af. Their sugar daddys are wealthy yes.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but which of these guys has the biggest wiener

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >*early steroids vs second wave steroids

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cope, you'll never look good so you're mad
        same with anyone else who claims steroids for people
        you know you look like shit and want an excuse that isn't you

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all these guys are probably ~180lbs max

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      180lbs don't look like that, dyel

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only bronze era was 100% natty.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hard work. Something you know nothing about.

    Sincerely,
    -Boomer

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They look like me. I weigh about 180lbs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you're 5ft6

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The first two commercially tested steroids were methyl testosterone and in 1937, propionate in Germany. Methyl test was not good as it had hepatoxicity and was extremely expensive even in small doses. Propionate likely wasn't available outside of Germany due to global politics until likely around the 1940's. For manufacturing outside of Germany, you'd really have to look into patent data and such. As a guess, it probably wasn't available until the 1940's outside of Germany. Due to the political environment, Importation of pharmaceuticals from Germany before 1945 would be extremely unlikely. Propionate was mostly replaced in the 1950's as better esters were synthesized.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The post injection pain from prop is unreal. But the way it peaks is just so much better than enth or cyp in my opinion

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Natty bodybuilders could get bigger in the past than they can now because they weren’t expected to have 5% bodyfat

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steve Reeves looked significantly better at 9-14% than roodtrannies do at 5%. Roodtrannies psyop the fitness community into accepting their unhealthy norms for their freakshow gatherings.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's water weight from estrogen retention and fake soft muscle. The GH and slin muscle are low quality so the striations don't pop out unless you absolutely abuse diuretics and have perfect diet + perfect conditioning. It's the reason Jay and Phil look soft as frick and even Ronnie's lower back looked like he had a water film between the muscle and the skin.

        For others, they are 8% but still don't have popping abs due to all that bloat and fake muscle.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they actually worked out

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    those physiques aren't particularly impressive

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post body.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. These physiques can be achieved naturally within a few monthes according to ISTs standards.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ywnbaw

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wp

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those 1950s physiques were attainable natty. Just rare.

    You absolutely have to start with top tier genetics, which is rare as frick. How many people are in the top .01% for insertions/proportions PLUS .01% for naturally lean/metabolically gifted PLUS .01% for the abiloity to grow muscle? Very few are thusly favored geentically.

    Then people had to WANT to look this way. Socialyy/culturally muscularity was frowned on as freakish, vain, stupid, unhealthy, unathletic, low class, Not desireable.

    Them assunming you ahd the interest and the geentics you ahd to have the time to train and access to weights/ a gym, which was not always possible. I grew up in a ruralish part of New Jersey in the 1980s and there were NO COMMERICAL GYMS in my entire county. Im sure it was even mor rare in the 1950s.

    Fianlly, nutrition was tough. We take cheap chicken, eggs and meat for granted (and even today meat/eggs is at hisotric lows) but people in general back then were just not as affluent as they are today. Eating two whole chickens every day (which is the sort of protein load you need as a natty lookign to build an impressive phsyique) would have been viewed as selfish, expensive, gluttonous, wastefulk, etc. etc.

    Factor all those difficulties against each other, and thats why it was so rare. Even today, you still need the genetics piece if you want to be a natty. (the fact that we can eat 200g of eggs protein for about $4.50 per day is probably the cheapest eggs have ever been in human hisoptry, unless you literally were a chciken farmer, and even then, if you ate 35 eggs per day that meant 35 less eggs for sale.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Then people had to WANT to look this way. Socialyy/culturally muscularity was frowned on as freakish, vain, stupid, unhealthy, unathletic, low class, Not desireable
      Based on every single story I've heard about Steve Reeves, the opposite of all of this was true. He had god tier insertions and everything at 16-17 and his pick of women at the beach. He even lost a few competitions as was like "frick it" and just came back a little bit better than before. And he said back then it was about training hard so you can go out to the beach and have fun and enjoy life. Get pussy basically.

      To thrive then you had to be the anti-gymcel. Just have good genetics, work hard, have fun and eat steak and eggs.
      simple as

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. Youre right. Women have always reacted very strongly to lean, well devloped msucular bodies. They sort of cant help it. Its biology. But also, Reevs was very good looking. Despite this, the big message was that muscles were not good. My literal Boomer parents (theyre in their early 80s now) literally told me this when I was a kid.

        Women cant help themselves, sort of like fat asses. Traditionally, white people diodnt go for fat asses. Models were always skinny with flat butts. But despite this cultural push, men still preferred a fat ass for the fricking.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're absolutely right. It was their instinct prevailing.

          Another interesting note, I think at least, his "Reeves deadlift" was developed in part because it's like a hack squat. It more develops the legs and helps them keep a flat pancake ass, almost no glute activation at all. Which was ideal at the time even for lifters.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Another interesting note, I think at least, his "Reeves deadlift" was developed in part because it's like a hack squat. It more develops the legs and helps them keep a flat pancake ass, almost no glute activation at all. Which was ideal at the time even for lifters.
            nah, the reeves deadlift is actually more like a shrug, it was intended for widening the clavicals

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Traditionally, white people diodnt go for fat asses.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Callipyge

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Despite this, the big message was that muscles were not good. My literal Boomer parents (theyre in their early 80s now) literally told me this when I was a kid.
          My dad is 77 and my mum is 68, same here. When I'd been lifting for a few years and had appreciably big shoulders/traps they said I looked stupid and should just do light weights and running+swimming

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Roids were invented by the nazis probably given part of the troony operation medical science they overtook.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      30s fyi

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Invention =/= (mass) availability

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Was definitely used for the olympics at least

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Mr Sage

    1. Like dozens people already said, STEROIDS WERE TOTALLY FRICKING INVENTED AND MASSIVELY USED
    2. Like people already said, NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS FRICKING IMPRESSIVE. Random college students who lift look like that
    3. Elite genetics were still a thing back then and it matters more then steroids
    4. Quit being a moron and jerking off to LE PAST. Nobody knew fricking shit. You were scammed. Time to get back to your senses.

    /thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >STEROIDS WERE TOTALLY FRICKING INVENTED AND MASSIVELY USED
      Prove it Black person

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wrong

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I literally look like this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post body

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of volume, intensity, food and frequency.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nobody can be trusted to be drug free after second wolrd war - they wanted their uber soldier so much that everybody got the recipe after wrong side lost

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nope.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because they focused more on aesthetic muscles back then, they mostly worked upper chest, delts, lats, and arms. it wasnt always about being freaky and huge, it gradually became a sport centered around being all about pure size

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clancy looked great

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reeves had elite level genetics and trained a lot. On top of that he was from an age where real food was abundant. Even he may have boosted up a bit in later years though.

    With or without steroids most bodybuilders of old were blessed. See for example Larry Scott who has tremendous genetics for building chunky arms but swayed the crowd with his "I has bad genes" and funky exercises.

    Bodybuilding, like most other "businesses", is a scam where a "privileged " crowd offers advice to the futile masses in exchange for goods - a vapor service.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bodybuilding, like most other "businesses", is a scam where a "privileged " crowd offers advice to the futile masses in exchange for goods - a vapor service.
      That's an unfortunate business model because outside of the initial cost of access to equipment, bodybuilding is completely free. You can buy as many supplements as you want, you can buy as many programs as you want, but absolutely everything you would ever need to build a great physique is out there for everyone to see. The fitness industry is centered around the core problem of trying to sell people something that's free.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Less time on the phone more time at the gym

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I look like this.
    >post body
    No I'm not white and I don't want to be bullied.
    >tips?
    Unironically read up Steve Reeve's writings. He recommends some esoteric stuff and gives advice people don't talk about nowadays
    >no flat benching only incline
    >Reeve's deadlift, pullovers
    >lot of BTN pressing
    and lots more. They genuinely work.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I look like this
      >I'm not white
      Then you don't look like this.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lets see

    >no endocrine disruptors in the food supply
    >no microplastics
    >no fluoride
    >no gonad-destroying vaccines
    >no global depopulation agenda
    >real food, 100% organic on nutritionally-rich soils
    >zero chemical adulterants in anything
    >no candies, no sweets, no processed, packaged, refined, canned foods
    >the patriarchy was still functional, allowing men to play their natural roles as God intended
    >no sedentary lifestyles
    >no porn addictions
    >virgin bride at 16

    it's very difficult to deduce. Perhaps we should post scantily-clad women and discuss the pros and cons of coffee consumption.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Incel take.

      They trained differently and roided differently. End of story.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Incel take.
        Facts don't care about your feelings.

        It is a FACT that you are biologically castrated and have the same test level as your 70 year old grandpa.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How the frick did they look like this before roids were invented
    >posts the image from when roids were invented
    Are you fricking moronic, wienersucker? Roids were invented shortly after WW2, moron.
    Frick, you're so fricking stupid, I want to cave your Black person skull in.

    For the rest of you: this is what the peak natural phisque of a genetically blessed man looks like. This is what was considered the literal god level of phisque and strength. It's just that you have to dedicate your whole life to lifting and eating clean to look like that, haha, no big deal. And then every roidhead is going to mog you anyway after two years of casual lifting and blasting tren

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Standard demoralization post move along everyone

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they were all on roids
    >they all had elite genetics
    >they all had elite esoteric training methods kept secret from the unwashed masses
    Excuses. You could look just as good as any of these dudes but you want to b***h and moan instead.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Haydurs gonna hate.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Roids were around way before Reeves lol. Even the Victorians were abusing cocaine because it allowed them to burn fat and retain muscle. Frick even the ancient greeks used performance enhancers. No Black person serious about physical appearance or performance has ever remained natty (or tried to). Want to look good in 2024? Roids are the price of admission, no exceptions.
    >Inb4 seething natty cope
    Keep training roid free for the next 5 years and when some kid who has been training for 6 months hops on cycle and makes you look like an emaciated twig, come back and tell me I'm wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cocaine doesn't improve muscle growth or retention, it's not a steroid
      >ancient greeks
      didn't use performance enhancers because none of the shit they had at the time enhanced performance beyond mere endurance
      >Keep training roid free for the next 5 years and when some kid who has been training for 6 months hops on cycle and makes you look like an emaciated twig
      why do dyels keep pretending genetics have no impact in how you look?
      why is this board full of genetic determinism denying copers?

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    baseline natural T was higher + fertilized eggs

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