Steroids don't magically create protein out of nothing. If Clarence can do that on a vegan diet I think that proves it's easy for vegans to get all the protein they need.
Steroids don't magically create protein out of nothing. If Clarence can do that on a vegan diet I think that proves it's easy for vegans to get all the protein they need.
>Steroids don't magically create protein out of nothing.
steroids incredibly increases protein synthesis, not even comparable to a natty guy eating the exact same diet.
and of course clarence can get a decent amount of protein in, he tracks everything and has a decent planned diet but it is simply a fact it's much harder to get enough protein as a vegan, even because protein absorption from plants suck ass compared to meat, dairy and eggs. When we are talking about the average pedestrian, even a guy that eats meats and eggs eats a retardedly low amount of protein, I'd guess if they reach 100g a day it's a lot, now imagine the average ignorant vegan in this scenario... all vegan foods are poor in protein, micronutrients and vitamins, and a lot of times people can't even absorb the little that is in vegan food.
Vegan diets only "works" for so long if you know what you are doing but even then, this type of shit happens
https://i.imgur.com/yLOnH5u.png
Clarence has unique genetics that allow him to function on a vegan diet.
[...]
yeah if you work from home and connect an exhaust pipe from your asshole to the window
if you soak beans in water overnight, throw that water away and cook them it does not make you fart, but as the other anon pointed out, eatin 1 fucking kilo of beans a day is pure retardation.
>black beans >soÿ >seitan >chickpeas >pea protein >yeast extract >nut butters
Theoretically possible, just very stupid and unnecessary. Just as many animals die during planting and harvests and just as much harm is done to the environment in industrial agricultural as if you just ate a fucking chicken breast and some eggs instead. Being vegan is just a bougie richfag flex for low IQ virtue signaling shitlibs because vegetarianism isn't tryhard and edgy enough anymore.
>Just as many animals die during planting and harvests
wat? >just as much harm is done to the environment in industrial agricultural
that's demonstrably not true
Why do vegans trigger you fragile little snowflakes so easily.
>Just as many animals die during planting and harvests
wat? >just as much harm is done to the environment in industrial agricultural
that's demonstrably not true
Why do vegans trigger you fragile little snowflakes so easily.
I honestly dont know if the people posting this stuff actually dont follow the logic poorly or are purposefully lying and spreading propaganda. Supplementing with excess choline and getting superior memory doesnt prove anything at all. Thats like saying we gave a person who feels fine a red bull and they had superior energy, this must mean he was deficient in caffeine. Its a total strawman
>choline supplements in utero gave LIFELONG MEMORY ENHANCEMENT
Vegan mothers give birth to brain damaged children, and the children of their children will be even worse.
>Supplementing with excess choline and getting superior memory doesnt prove anything at all.
>ENHANCEMENT
Yes, I guess you can't follow the logic. Enhance means above and beyond. Not normal baseline. It proves nothing
>normal baseline
https://www.verywellmind.com/how-sugar-affects-the-brain-4065218 >Additional research shows that a diet high in added sugar reduces the production brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) >a brain chemical essential for new memory formation and learning. >Lower levels of BDNF are also linked to dementia and Alzheimer's disease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898565/ >The ketogenic diet is well established as therapy for intractable epilepsy >A growing body of literature suggests the ketogenic diet may be beneficial in certain neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer disease, Parkinson’s disease, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. In these disorders, the ketogenic diet appears to be neuroprotective, promoting enhanced mitochondrial function and rescuing adenosine triphosphate production.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28527061/ >We observed a significant reduction in attack frequency, attack duration, and disability of headache attacks after 1-month duration KD compared to baseline.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/ketogenic-diet-for-epilepsy-2241627 >Study results vary, but many have shown that a ketogenic diet can reduce the frequency of seizures in people with epilepsy by 50% or more. Some people have even reported no seizures after starting and staying on the diet.
Have fun with dementia vegan.
Don't forget that your vegan fertilizers wreaks mass destruction on the environment.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ketoschizo is a namefag now?
2 months ago
New Beautiful World
Yes, I'm also a chud if that matters.
2 months ago
New Beautiful World
Yes, I'm also a chud if that matters.
Lmao it's a fucking ketolard
Remind me the life expectancy for keto diet? Remind me how long the average low carb figurehead lives vs the average plant based?
It is unfortunate that your brain damage can spread to others, moxyte.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/82/2/327.full.pdf+html >(2005) Rosell et al. show that compared to meat-eaters, vegans have 53% lower levels of EPA and 59% lower levels of DHA on average. These are the two most important fats for neural development.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Shut up fatty I don't take advice from the obese.
2 months ago
Anonymous
We witness the birth of yet another massively retarded tripfag.
Blocked.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not keto but I don't understand this vegan obsession with keto and "ketotards". It's to the point where they instantly reveal themselves as vegans when they use this terminology. I find it interesting that's all.
Why do they have such a fixation on carbohydrates? It's almost religious, like they NEED to destroy anyone who talks about nutrition if they aren't consuming lots of carbohydrates. There are lots of simple facts like the fact that a lot (most) micronutrition is in fats, and specifically animal fats. Doesn't mean you should go keto but it's something to keep in mind. And yet just pointing out a fact like this makes those sorts of people absolutely seethe. And I don't know why there are so many of them here, on what is meant to be a fitness board? It's kinda like how 4chan has hundreds of these NAFO trannies.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not keto
doubt.jpg
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's not all vegans. Moxyte is just on this board and posts 90% of "ketolard" threads. I'm pretty sure he also posts the "Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests" line too.
Im beginning to wonder if he gets paid for this shilling.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's da joos
2 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know who "moxyte" is but I'm guessing that is some sort of vegan subreddit that raids this place? Makes sense.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Moxyte is just one guy. Vegans are pretty loud and deranged overall, but moxyte tops them all.
No one can compare to moxyte's mental illness.
i never eat broccoli but beans in general I do eat almost every day
You're most likely eating kidney beans or black beans. It seems shiitake mushrooms are very good, better than a lot of meat, but those are exclusive to Japan (naturally speaking).
If you want to help animals I would recommend going vegetarian pasture-raised. Look up how vegan fertilizers are made.
2 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
Kinda proving my point there. I'm eating a croissant right now, but I'm not stupid enough to think that this tasty croissant has the same nutritional worth as a steak. You're in a cult, I'd love to see the discord server you people come from.
>everyone who disagrees with my hugbox nutritional ideology is a planned raid
I have been shitposting on IST exclusively for 17 years and vegan for most of those.
2 months ago
Anonymous
A vegan having a hobby of shitposting for nearly 2 decades is all the proof I need vegans have brain damage.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Put your trip back on gay you're not fooling anyone.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not keto
doubt.jpg
Kinda proving my point there. I'm eating a croissant right now, but I'm not stupid enough to think that this tasty croissant has the same nutritional worth as a steak. You're in a cult, I'd love to see the discord server you people come from.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I'd love to see the discord server you people come from
IST isn't your personal hugbox, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean there's some sort of conspiracy against you.
If you want an echo chamber fuck off elsewhere.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Well I've now seen these "ketoduped" trannies, and I know about the NAFO discord trannies, IST is full of these sorts of weird people who shill for various causes, for free. And you're right it isn't a hug box and you should expect mockery when you go on a fitness board and promote degenerate cash crop diets. Surely you should be on a political board instead since that is what veganism really is, a political movement against traditional and natural values...
2 months ago
Anonymous
2 months ago
Anonymous
>that is what veganism really is, a political movement against traditional and natural values
Yes. 'Traditional' and 'natural' are gay meaningless buzzwords that only hippies, low-IQ christ-frotters and sexless 4chan weenies care about. Vegan chads have transcended.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Traditional' and 'natural' are gay meaningless buzzwords
2 months ago
Anonymous
Bizarre deflection. Plant based diets have a lower environmental impact than omnivorous diets. This is a fact. >but muh organic pasture raised
Still has nutrient run-off and requires an order of magnitude more land per calorie of food produced. Land that otherwise could have been wild. I won't even mention CO2 as I suspect you're too "redpilled" to give a shit.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Damn we must have been dying of CO2 back when Europeans didn't kill all the bison in America.
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/how-regenerative-land-and-livestock-management-practices-can-sequester-carbon >Not only is White Oak Pastures’ beef lower in carbon emissions than conventional beef, the LCA also shows that regenerative management can produce a smaller carbon footprint than other non-beef protein sources, including Impossible Burger (PDF) and Beyond Meat (both net carbon emitters according to their own public LCAs).
2 months ago
Anonymous
Idk if you are purposefully being disingenuous or if you can't read you own source
2 months ago
Anonymous
Don't bother, those retards are hopeless. Let them die of their deficient diets.
The average mass of a land mammal used to be 500kgs just 30k years ago. Now its 10kg. The amount of animal biomass, mostly from big ruminant animals, was incomprehensibly larger back then than it is now. Megaherds of aurochs, bison, mammoth, everywhere in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas. But cow belches ruin the environment somehow.
Those people are lost to God and Logos.
2 months ago
Anonymous
What a nonsense image considering algae itself produces oxygen
2 months ago
Anonymous
What do you think happens when the algal cells that die off are consumed by aerobic bacteria?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>transcended
you mean entirely rely on industrial production of ultra transformed products?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao it's a fucking ketolard
Remind me the life expectancy for keto diet? Remind me how long the average low carb figurehead lives vs the average plant based?
2 months ago
Anonymous
The standard American diet is 90% plant based. No centenarians eat these degenerate plant based diets. They all consistently eat a lot more animal foods than the modern person, if you actually look at what they eat. The healthiest people in any part of the world are those who eat a greater proportion of high quality animal foods, whether it's the French and Italians, Okinawans, or people from Hong Kong and Korea. Plant based diets lead to sickness, infertility and shortened lifespans.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Lol, lmao, this is honestly the most backwards-ass shit I have read in weeks. Pure delusion. You are beyond help.
2 months ago
Anonymous
neither your picture nor the retard links you posted say vegans can't get enough choline, you are stupid af
2 months ago
Anonymous
How many cups of broccoli do you eat a day?
How many cups of navy beans do you eat a day?
2 months ago
Anonymous
i never eat broccoli but beans in general I do eat almost every day
>enhancement
Is pilpul meant to obfuscate the vast majority is deficient. As long as supplementing common nutrients "enhances" performance, you're actually deficient. You're not enhancing anything, you're recovering from a debilitating nutrient deficiency.
Adequate intake is meaningless. It is just the average daily intake of a population sample with no symptoms of deficiency. Because choline deficiency is extremely rare, AI for choline is basically just the amount you'd get from the standard amerifat diet of fried animal products x 3 daily. Don't @ me unless it's with a study establishing minimum RDI.
>Adequate intake is meaningless. It is just the average daily intake of a population sample with no symptoms of deficiency. Because choline deficiency is extremely rare, AI for choline is basically just the amount you'd get from the standard amerifat diet of fried animal products x 3 daily. Don't @ me unless it's with a study establishing minimum RDI.
shit
why is chicken production is so deadly?
i would go vegan but i cant see how would be any better than having backyard chickens and raising fish with aquaponics(wich i plan to do once i move to a house with a bigger backyard)
They either don't, way over-eat to get enough and become fat or live an orthorexic life where they spend a majority of their life worrying about nutrition.
Vegan here. I haven't eaten animal products in over a decade, not fat, not thin, don't pay any attention to nutrition beyond a post-lift protein shake and the occasional multivitamin. Bloods always come back perfect and I'm fitter and stronger than basically everyone I know IRL.
When I was dumb enough to be a vegan, everything in that middle column began giving me gas. First it was annoying and over time I became King Of the Braplords. So much so that even the stuff in the right and left columns began to give me gas. We aren't just talking about air either. I'm talking about building clearing farts. I'm talking about public beach clearing gas. It was fucking atrocious. I now eat animals and have almost 0 braps on any given day.
>muh protein
Protein is the least of your worries as a vegan
https://i.imgur.com/vr4nyNE.jpg
>Supplementing with excess choline and getting superior memory doesnt prove anything at all.
[...] >normal baseline
https://www.verywellmind.com/how-sugar-affects-the-brain-4065218 >Additional research shows that a diet high in added sugar reduces the production brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) >a brain chemical essential for new memory formation and learning. >Lower levels of BDNF are also linked to dementia and Alzheimer's disease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898565/ >The ketogenic diet is well established as therapy for intractable epilepsy >A growing body of literature suggests the ketogenic diet may be beneficial in certain neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer disease, Parkinson’s disease, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. In these disorders, the ketogenic diet appears to be neuroprotective, promoting enhanced mitochondrial function and rescuing adenosine triphosphate production.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28527061/ >We observed a significant reduction in attack frequency, attack duration, and disability of headache attacks after 1-month duration KD compared to baseline.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/ketogenic-diet-for-epilepsy-2241627 >Study results vary, but many have shown that a ketogenic diet can reduce the frequency of seizures in people with epilepsy by 50% or more. Some people have even reported no seizures after starting and staying on the diet.
Have fun with dementia vegan.
Don't forget that your vegan fertilizers wreaks mass destruction on the environment.
They don't. The only way they can get complete aminos in a more bioavailable form is from powders, and then it isn't in an ideal ratio. The less stupid vegans quit pretty early on because they realise there's nothing healthy or natural about needing to consume powders for protein, and pills for micronutrients. All while telling yourself how "nutrient dense" your diet that is mostly painfully excreted is.
Traditional eating is the way to go. Just go ask your grandmother what a meal should look like.
>more bioavailable form
Your premise is flawed therefore your conclusions are wrong. Bioavailability means nothing because the protein requirement for a normal person is less than 50 grams a day >yeah but if you wanna lift
Literally all meat eating lifters take protein.
>Your premise is flawed therefore your conclusions are wrong. Bioavailability means nothing because the protein requirement for a normal person is less than 50 grams a day
lmao. I have never even seen a study with a lower bound protein suggestion that low for a grown man. Great way to end up looking like Greger.
>Literally all meat eating lifters take protein.
I don't. I don't know anyone who does. Fart powder for meat-eaters is a matter of a marketing gimmick. Meat is a far superior source of protein. For vegans it is absolutely essential for their diet. You can look at any ex-vegan testimonial and they are ALL taking tons of powders and pills, it's a diet for people completely disconnected from nature and their own bodies. Typically women, or beta males, who watched too many propaganda documentaries and who were raised on modern diets. The pattern is always the same.
>I have never even seen a study with a lower bound protein suggestion that low
Well if you haven't seen it it must not exist. Great logic. Didnt read further.
Post a study showing that 50g is required for optimal protein synthesis for adult men. I'm not saying I'm right because I haven't seen it, I'm saying you're wrong because you're full of shit and pulling up a number out of thin air, a number which I've only ever seen vegans invoke in their propaganda.
Lol, lmao, this is honestly the most backwards-ass shit I have read in weeks. Pure delusion. You are beyond help.
That's not an argument. The macro breakdown of the standard american diet is not a matter of opinion, it is fact. It is almost entirely plant based. A whopper burger is 65% plant based. Just the burger. Add in fries and the meal is 90%+ plant based. That's your American diet. Doesn't matter if its pizza, or a hot dog meal, or snacks or sodas or anything else Americans consume, it's almost entirely plant-based. You're a useful idiot for the forces behind this.
https://www.sclhealth.org/blog/2019/07/how-much-protein-is-simply-too-much/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Dietary%20Reference,should%20eat%20about%2046%20grams.
The universal minimum is .36g per pound. You'd know that if you read any medical literature
2 months ago
Anonymous
We aren't talking about minimums Einstein. You can survive on almost zero protein, for over a year. This is a fitness board, we are concerned with that which is optimal. 50g is pathetically low and no studies find such a value to be optimal. Try harder.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>We aren't talking about minimums Einstein
I was. I dont care what you were talking about. Minimum needs establishes what you need need. I'm right.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If you're consuming a nutrient above the survival threshold, you're still deficient. Until you consume a nutrient to the point where any more would have no additional positive effect, you're deficient.
My vegan cousin had a kid (after multiple failed pregnancies) and this whose now 3 is missing every developmental milestones, is unbelievably short to the point they say they're going to put him on HGH (because that's normal and natural right?), he is allergic to basically every nut as well as dairy and kale for some reason (I didn't even know you can be allergic to kale), and he's... stupid. I know he's a toddler but he's noticably is worse at communicating and maintaining balance. This idiot cousin of main basically damned a kid to a life of misery to save animals or something dumb like that. For a while she was against feeding him meat despite the fact doctors were telling her he needed to eat meat for nutrients given how poor of a state he was in.
I will never respect vegans. I unironically see you the as the same as a religious cult.
Don't make me post the news articles about vegan parents killing their babies through malnutrition. A vegan mother's breast milk is nutrient deficient, I wonder why...
Retard post. For every vegan story you have (assuming you aren't just lying) I can pull 20 omnivore stories of the same or worse. Maybe your cousin is a dipshit just like you?
In general vegans enjoy superior health compared to your average omnivore (and no, I'm not talking about a McDonalds diet). Only diet in the same ballpark is a Mediterranean/ pescetarian diet.
So you just admit that vegans are only healthier when compared to the hamplanets who sustain themselves on sugar and seed oil products, which are almost vegan save for the trace amounts of milk here and there.
You really can't, it would likely kill you in short order, holy shit how retarded are you people. Beans are toxic, pretty much all of them, thorough cooking is the only way to denature the lectins to the point where the beans are more or less safe, but eating a kilogram a day is a terrible idea.
I'm not going to say it's impossible, but if you're looking to put on weight, muscle in particular, you are going to have to ingest a metric fuckton of plant based food stuffs. You'll be uncomfortable, and you're going to stink on account of the indigestible fiber fermenting in your gut, which is part and parcel of the aforementioned plant based food stuffs. I speak from personal experience. That's not to mention all the extra bulk you find in your stool as a direct result, which, if you're not careful will result in hemorrhoids and/or fissures.
Alternatively, you could try something less manic, like the vertical diet, which is easier on you're digestive track. Easy, simple calorie dense food, and your peers wont have (extra) reasons to avoid you. You know. Because of the stench.
Veganism isn't a real diet choice and it's stupid to talk about it rationally. It's a pseudo-religious lifestyle practice for fatherless weirdos and you either "get it" or you don't. Just let them be weird in their gay little corner and promptly send them back to it if they try to wander into an adult conversation.
We get it from our food.
eggs bro
They don't
So how do you explain this?
steroids
Steroids don't magically create protein out of nothing. If Clarence can do that on a vegan diet I think that proves it's easy for vegans to get all the protein they need.
Clarence has unique genetics that allow him to function on a vegan diet.
cope
steroids.
>Steroids don't magically create protein out of nothing.
steroids incredibly increases protein synthesis, not even comparable to a natty guy eating the exact same diet.
and of course clarence can get a decent amount of protein in, he tracks everything and has a decent planned diet but it is simply a fact it's much harder to get enough protein as a vegan, even because protein absorption from plants suck ass compared to meat, dairy and eggs. When we are talking about the average pedestrian, even a guy that eats meats and eggs eats a retardedly low amount of protein, I'd guess if they reach 100g a day it's a lot, now imagine the average ignorant vegan in this scenario... all vegan foods are poor in protein, micronutrients and vitamins, and a lot of times people can't even absorb the little that is in vegan food.
Vegan diets only "works" for so long if you know what you are doing but even then, this type of shit happens
if you soak beans in water overnight, throw that water away and cook them it does not make you fart, but as the other anon pointed out, eatin 1 fucking kilo of beans a day is pure retardation.
Steroids and meat on the sly.
tpbp
Excellent panty shot fren
vegan protein powder, duh
bought some by accident, shit taste like sawdust, I don't know how they manage to ingest that shit
>black beans
>soÿ
>seitan
>chickpeas
>pea protein
>yeast extract
>nut butters
Theoretically possible, just very stupid and unnecessary. Just as many animals die during planting and harvests and just as much harm is done to the environment in industrial agricultural as if you just ate a fucking chicken breast and some eggs instead. Being vegan is just a bougie richfag flex for low IQ virtue signaling shitlibs because vegetarianism isn't tryhard and edgy enough anymore.
>Just as many animals die during planting and harvests
wat?
>just as much harm is done to the environment in industrial agricultural
that's demonstrably not true
Why do vegans trigger you fragile little snowflakes so easily.
>>Just as many animals die during planting and harvests
>wat?
Any rodents, wildlife ANYTHING that comes close to the plants/onions gets merc'd.
retarded
Yes, I agree, vegetarianism is a mental illness.
Baby deer don't move out of the way of combine harvesters. The more you know.
>t. trousered ape whose never stepped on a farm before.
I honestly dont know if the people posting this stuff actually dont follow the logic poorly or are purposefully lying and spreading propaganda. Supplementing with excess choline and getting superior memory doesnt prove anything at all. Thats like saying we gave a person who feels fine a red bull and they had superior energy, this must mean he was deficient in caffeine. Its a total strawman
>choline supplements in utero gave LIFELONG MEMORY ENHANCEMENT
Vegan mothers give birth to brain damaged children, and the children of their children will be even worse.
Your picture literally shows multiple vegan sources of choline you fucking retard.
Do you care to address what I said or no
>Supplementing with excess choline and getting superior memory doesnt prove anything at all.
>normal baseline
https://www.verywellmind.com/how-sugar-affects-the-brain-4065218
>Additional research shows that a diet high in added sugar reduces the production brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF)
>a brain chemical essential for new memory formation and learning.
>Lower levels of BDNF are also linked to dementia and Alzheimer's disease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898565/
>The ketogenic diet is well established as therapy for intractable epilepsy
>A growing body of literature suggests the ketogenic diet may be beneficial in certain neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer disease, Parkinson’s disease, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. In these disorders, the ketogenic diet appears to be neuroprotective, promoting enhanced mitochondrial function and rescuing adenosine triphosphate production.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28527061/
>We observed a significant reduction in attack frequency, attack duration, and disability of headache attacks after 1-month duration KD compared to baseline.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/ketogenic-diet-for-epilepsy-2241627
>Study results vary, but many have shown that a ketogenic diet can reduce the frequency of seizures in people with epilepsy by 50% or more. Some people have even reported no seizures after starting and staying on the diet.
Have fun with dementia vegan.
Don't forget that your vegan fertilizers wreaks mass destruction on the environment.
Ketoschizo is a namefag now?
Yes, I'm also a chud if that matters.
It is unfortunate that your brain damage can spread to others, moxyte.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/82/2/327.full.pdf+html
>(2005) Rosell et al. show that compared to meat-eaters, vegans have 53% lower levels of EPA and 59% lower levels of DHA on average. These are the two most important fats for neural development.
Shut up fatty I don't take advice from the obese.
We witness the birth of yet another massively retarded tripfag.
Blocked.
I'm not keto but I don't understand this vegan obsession with keto and "ketotards". It's to the point where they instantly reveal themselves as vegans when they use this terminology. I find it interesting that's all.
Why do they have such a fixation on carbohydrates? It's almost religious, like they NEED to destroy anyone who talks about nutrition if they aren't consuming lots of carbohydrates. There are lots of simple facts like the fact that a lot (most) micronutrition is in fats, and specifically animal fats. Doesn't mean you should go keto but it's something to keep in mind. And yet just pointing out a fact like this makes those sorts of people absolutely seethe. And I don't know why there are so many of them here, on what is meant to be a fitness board? It's kinda like how 4chan has hundreds of these NAFO trannies.
>I'm not keto
doubt.jpg
It's not all vegans. Moxyte is just on this board and posts 90% of "ketolard" threads. I'm pretty sure he also posts the "Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests" line too.
Im beginning to wonder if he gets paid for this shilling.
It's da joos
I don't know who "moxyte" is but I'm guessing that is some sort of vegan subreddit that raids this place? Makes sense.
Moxyte is just one guy. Vegans are pretty loud and deranged overall, but moxyte tops them all.
No one can compare to moxyte's mental illness.
You're most likely eating kidney beans or black beans. It seems shiitake mushrooms are very good, better than a lot of meat, but those are exclusive to Japan (naturally speaking).
If you want to help animals I would recommend going vegetarian pasture-raised. Look up how vegan fertilizers are made.
>everyone who disagrees with my hugbox nutritional ideology is a planned raid
I have been shitposting on IST exclusively for 17 years and vegan for most of those.
A vegan having a hobby of shitposting for nearly 2 decades is all the proof I need vegans have brain damage.
Put your trip back on gay you're not fooling anyone.
Kinda proving my point there. I'm eating a croissant right now, but I'm not stupid enough to think that this tasty croissant has the same nutritional worth as a steak. You're in a cult, I'd love to see the discord server you people come from.
>I'd love to see the discord server you people come from
IST isn't your personal hugbox, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean there's some sort of conspiracy against you.
If you want an echo chamber fuck off elsewhere.
Well I've now seen these "ketoduped" trannies, and I know about the NAFO discord trannies, IST is full of these sorts of weird people who shill for various causes, for free. And you're right it isn't a hug box and you should expect mockery when you go on a fitness board and promote degenerate cash crop diets. Surely you should be on a political board instead since that is what veganism really is, a political movement against traditional and natural values...
>that is what veganism really is, a political movement against traditional and natural values
Yes. 'Traditional' and 'natural' are gay meaningless buzzwords that only hippies, low-IQ christ-frotters and sexless 4chan weenies care about. Vegan chads have transcended.
>Traditional' and 'natural' are gay meaningless buzzwords
Bizarre deflection. Plant based diets have a lower environmental impact than omnivorous diets. This is a fact.
>but muh organic pasture raised
Still has nutrient run-off and requires an order of magnitude more land per calorie of food produced. Land that otherwise could have been wild. I won't even mention CO2 as I suspect you're too "redpilled" to give a shit.
Damn we must have been dying of CO2 back when Europeans didn't kill all the bison in America.
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/how-regenerative-land-and-livestock-management-practices-can-sequester-carbon
>Not only is White Oak Pastures’ beef lower in carbon emissions than conventional beef, the LCA also shows that regenerative management can produce a smaller carbon footprint than other non-beef protein sources, including Impossible Burger (PDF) and Beyond Meat (both net carbon emitters according to their own public LCAs).
Idk if you are purposefully being disingenuous or if you can't read you own source
Don't bother, those retards are hopeless. Let them die of their deficient diets.
The average mass of a land mammal used to be 500kgs just 30k years ago. Now its 10kg. The amount of animal biomass, mostly from big ruminant animals, was incomprehensibly larger back then than it is now. Megaherds of aurochs, bison, mammoth, everywhere in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas. But cow belches ruin the environment somehow.
Those people are lost to God and Logos.
What a nonsense image considering algae itself produces oxygen
What do you think happens when the algal cells that die off are consumed by aerobic bacteria?
>transcended
you mean entirely rely on industrial production of ultra transformed products?
Lmao it's a fucking ketolard
Remind me the life expectancy for keto diet? Remind me how long the average low carb figurehead lives vs the average plant based?
The standard American diet is 90% plant based. No centenarians eat these degenerate plant based diets. They all consistently eat a lot more animal foods than the modern person, if you actually look at what they eat. The healthiest people in any part of the world are those who eat a greater proportion of high quality animal foods, whether it's the French and Italians, Okinawans, or people from Hong Kong and Korea. Plant based diets lead to sickness, infertility and shortened lifespans.
Lol, lmao, this is honestly the most backwards-ass shit I have read in weeks. Pure delusion. You are beyond help.
neither your picture nor the retard links you posted say vegans can't get enough choline, you are stupid af
How many cups of broccoli do you eat a day?
How many cups of navy beans do you eat a day?
i never eat broccoli but beans in general I do eat almost every day
>ENHANCEMENT
Yes, I guess you can't follow the logic. Enhance means above and beyond. Not normal baseline. It proves nothing
>enhancement
Is pilpul meant to obfuscate the vast majority is deficient. As long as supplementing common nutrients "enhances" performance, you're actually deficient. You're not enhancing anything, you're recovering from a debilitating nutrient deficiency.
Wrong
Like I said, pilpul.
Adequate intake is meaningless. It is just the average daily intake of a population sample with no symptoms of deficiency. Because choline deficiency is extremely rare, AI for choline is basically just the amount you'd get from the standard amerifat diet of fried animal products x 3 daily. Don't @ me unless it's with a study establishing minimum RDI.
>Adequate intake is meaningless. It is just the average daily intake of a population sample with no symptoms of deficiency. Because choline deficiency is extremely rare, AI for choline is basically just the amount you'd get from the standard amerifat diet of fried animal products x 3 daily. Don't @ me unless it's with a study establishing minimum RDI.
>Just as many animals die during planting and harvests
https://animalvisuals.org/projects/1mc/
Baboon. All you had to do was google it.
shit
why is chicken production is so deadly?
i would go vegan but i cant see how would be any better than having backyard chickens and raising fish with aquaponics(wich i plan to do once i move to a house with a bigger backyard)
As a lifelong vegetarian, gotta say this is pretty fucking spot on and based
They either don't, way over-eat to get enough and become fat or live an orthorexic life where they spend a majority of their life worrying about nutrition.
Vegan here. I haven't eaten animal products in over a decade, not fat, not thin, don't pay any attention to nutrition beyond a post-lift protein shake and the occasional multivitamin. Bloods always come back perfect and I'm fitter and stronger than basically everyone I know IRL.
Considering americans are so fat the cdc had to come up with cope stats to keep it below 50% obesity that's not exactly a big claim
>severely underweight doesn't even exist as a concept in burgerland
We have the fattest poors in the world.
They don't.
S Ö Y
How do they get complete proteins?
Plants
Unless you literally eat one type of plant all day it's tricky to not get complete proteins.
When I was dumb enough to be a vegan, everything in that middle column began giving me gas. First it was annoying and over time I became King Of the Braplords. So much so that even the stuff in the right and left columns began to give me gas. We aren't just talking about air either. I'm talking about building clearing farts. I'm talking about public beach clearing gas. It was fucking atrocious. I now eat animals and have almost 0 braps on any given day.
>muh protein
Protein is the least of your worries as a vegan
They don't. The only way they can get complete aminos in a more bioavailable form is from powders, and then it isn't in an ideal ratio. The less stupid vegans quit pretty early on because they realise there's nothing healthy or natural about needing to consume powders for protein, and pills for micronutrients. All while telling yourself how "nutrient dense" your diet that is mostly painfully excreted is.
Traditional eating is the way to go. Just go ask your grandmother what a meal should look like.
Jokes on you, my grandmother is dead. Checkmate, omnivores.
>more bioavailable form
Your premise is flawed therefore your conclusions are wrong. Bioavailability means nothing because the protein requirement for a normal person is less than 50 grams a day
>yeah but if you wanna lift
Literally all meat eating lifters take protein.
>Your premise is flawed therefore your conclusions are wrong. Bioavailability means nothing because the protein requirement for a normal person is less than 50 grams a day
lmao. I have never even seen a study with a lower bound protein suggestion that low for a grown man. Great way to end up looking like Greger.
>Literally all meat eating lifters take protein.
I don't. I don't know anyone who does. Fart powder for meat-eaters is a matter of a marketing gimmick. Meat is a far superior source of protein. For vegans it is absolutely essential for their diet. You can look at any ex-vegan testimonial and they are ALL taking tons of powders and pills, it's a diet for people completely disconnected from nature and their own bodies. Typically women, or beta males, who watched too many propaganda documentaries and who were raised on modern diets. The pattern is always the same.
>I have never even seen a study with a lower bound protein suggestion that low
Well if you haven't seen it it must not exist. Great logic. Didnt read further.
Post a study showing that 50g is required for optimal protein synthesis for adult men. I'm not saying I'm right because I haven't seen it, I'm saying you're wrong because you're full of shit and pulling up a number out of thin air, a number which I've only ever seen vegans invoke in their propaganda.
That's not an argument. The macro breakdown of the standard american diet is not a matter of opinion, it is fact. It is almost entirely plant based. A whopper burger is 65% plant based. Just the burger. Add in fries and the meal is 90%+ plant based. That's your American diet. Doesn't matter if its pizza, or a hot dog meal, or snacks or sodas or anything else Americans consume, it's almost entirely plant-based. You're a useful idiot for the forces behind this.
https://www.sclhealth.org/blog/2019/07/how-much-protein-is-simply-too-much/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Dietary%20Reference,should%20eat%20about%2046%20grams.
The universal minimum is .36g per pound. You'd know that if you read any medical literature
We aren't talking about minimums Einstein. You can survive on almost zero protein, for over a year. This is a fitness board, we are concerned with that which is optimal. 50g is pathetically low and no studies find such a value to be optimal. Try harder.
>We aren't talking about minimums Einstein
I was. I dont care what you were talking about. Minimum needs establishes what you need need. I'm right.
If you're consuming a nutrient above the survival threshold, you're still deficient. Until you consume a nutrient to the point where any more would have no additional positive effect, you're deficient.
Protein is massively overrated and everyone who isn't a competitive athlete/roider who takes protein powder is wasting huge amounts of money
>Kishi Asuka
Good find anon, I'll be jerking of to her tonight, thanks.
My vegan cousin had a kid (after multiple failed pregnancies) and this whose now 3 is missing every developmental milestones, is unbelievably short to the point they say they're going to put him on HGH (because that's normal and natural right?), he is allergic to basically every nut as well as dairy and kale for some reason (I didn't even know you can be allergic to kale), and he's... stupid. I know he's a toddler but he's noticably is worse at communicating and maintaining balance. This idiot cousin of main basically damned a kid to a life of misery to save animals or something dumb like that. For a while she was against feeding him meat despite the fact doctors were telling her he needed to eat meat for nutrients given how poor of a state he was in.
I will never respect vegans. I unironically see you the as the same as a religious cult.
Don't make me post the news articles about vegan parents killing their babies through malnutrition. A vegan mother's breast milk is nutrient deficient, I wonder why...
Retard post. For every vegan story you have (assuming you aren't just lying) I can pull 20 omnivore stories of the same or worse. Maybe your cousin is a dipshit just like you?
In general vegans enjoy superior health compared to your average omnivore (and no, I'm not talking about a McDonalds diet). Only diet in the same ballpark is a Mediterranean/ pescetarian diet.
Least believable post on a board of frauds
Drive to a Walmart and you will have a whole store of examples
>fatass eats a steak
>also eats 4000 kcal worth of oreos, doritos and soda
>"HURRRRR LOOK AT THEM MEAT EATERS!!!"
Yes thats what an omnivore is
So you just admit that vegans are only healthier when compared to the hamplanets who sustain themselves on sugar and seed oil products, which are almost vegan save for the trace amounts of milk here and there.
have a nice day, Moxyte.
1 kilogram of beans is 3000kcal and 300g of protein, you can easily eat that during the day
yeah if you work from home and connect an exhaust pipe from your asshole to the window
Your body gets used to beans when you eat them more than once a month and you stop farting
t. I eat beans twice a month and don't fart
You really can't, it would likely kill you in short order, holy shit how retarded are you people. Beans are toxic, pretty much all of them, thorough cooking is the only way to denature the lectins to the point where the beans are more or less safe, but eating a kilogram a day is a terrible idea.
vegan threads are way more mentally ill than the ketoschizo threads
Scared, potter?
I WILL FUCK A BIG TIDDY NIPPONESE WOMAN
They eat.
Alot.
That's the catch.
I'm not going to say it's impossible, but if you're looking to put on weight, muscle in particular, you are going to have to ingest a metric fuckton of plant based food stuffs. You'll be uncomfortable, and you're going to stink on account of the indigestible fiber fermenting in your gut, which is part and parcel of the aforementioned plant based food stuffs. I speak from personal experience. That's not to mention all the extra bulk you find in your stool as a direct result, which, if you're not careful will result in hemorrhoids and/or fissures.
Alternatively, you could try something less manic, like the vertical diet, which is easier on you're digestive track. Easy, simple calorie dense food, and your peers wont have (extra) reasons to avoid you. You know. Because of the stench.
>imb4 vegan shills jump down my throat
Post body.
Veganism isn't a real diet choice and it's stupid to talk about it rationally. It's a pseudo-religious lifestyle practice for fatherless weirdos and you either "get it" or you don't. Just let them be weird in their gay little corner and promptly send them back to it if they try to wander into an adult conversation.
We destroyed the white males.
Asian males, you're next!
I'll make Asia mixed, and no weak chuk or moronie can stop me!