How to have male body type when I'm female? I want broad shoulders, narrow hips, etc.

How to have male body type when I'm female? I want broad shoulders, narrow hips, etc. Don't ask me why I want this, I'm not gonna answer and this is not the point of this thread. I'm very skinny, my BMI is 17. I'm also very weak right now, I can't even do one push-up properly. I want to get stronger and bulkier. If I'll work out for an hour everyday, how much will change in a month? and in 6 months? Keep in mind that I'm not testosteronized so it'll be harder for me to gain muscle. My main goal is to get physically strong, and to have a male, mesomorphic body type. Which exercises do you recommend? And how to reduce fat in my hips without getting them bigger?

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    you will never be a real man, even if you started pinning testosterone you will always have a small, weak, feminine frame that will be a dead giveaway that you're a female

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You will never be a man

      I know. Which is why I ask for advice on IST. I want to get stronger at least

      Why do you want this?

      I'll answer you fucker once. the reason is gender dysphoria. don't ask any questions about it now.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        you won't really get strong since you'd have to focus primarily on bench press and ohp both of which you will be stuck at bitch weights even years into working out
        you're just genetically inferior and without hormones you won't be able to get any reasonable strength level that doesn't get put into shame by an average untrained man, and even with hormones, you will still look weak

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Ywnbam

          YWNBAM

          I know. but what can I do to relieve my suffering?
          >inb4 41%

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            just accept that you're a woman like jesus christ, have you ever been dicked? go get dicked maybe it will put some sense into you, otherwise enjoy suffering

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Just be a woman ffs. Excercise and eat healthy and your gender bs will go away. Sounds like your hormones are fucked up from being underweight

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            See a professional?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              lol

              lmao even

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                lmao and you wonder why you're "suffering"

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, YES. Dr Sheckelberg would LOVE to pump you full of hormones, for a good price of course

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              In places like Germany practicioners may lose their license for trying to talk people out of chudism

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                In the US and the UK, too. It's called "affirmation only" and you can literally lose your license if you suggest a patient might have something else going on like.l trauma.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Just accept yourself for who you are. Im 5'7 manlet and always will be. Sure I could I go to Russia and get an extremely painful surgery to get like an inch or two. But being short isn't the problem. You will never be happy until you can accept that you are who you are.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              but I'm a man. the problem is that my body is female. accepting who I am means accepting being a man. You wouldn't believe how much I tried to repress these feelings, and tried to be a woman.

              Why not cut your hair short and date women? Isnt that masculine enough? Do you really need $60000 of surgery to do that?

              >Why not cut your hair short and date women?
              I already do that.
              >Isnt that masculine enough?
              My goal isn't to be masculine, but to be male. and yeah surgery would fix that but I'm poor

              >I'd rather 41% myself than be a woman
              Why? Its easy mode. You wouldn't last a month as a male.

              even all the social privileges that women have, won't convince me to pretend to be a woman again. I feel extreme discomfort and suffering in female body and female social roles. I can't explain it, I just can't put it into words.

              Become my tomboy wife, you can dress however you please

              okay, but I won't have tits and uterus

              https://i.imgur.com/SnmNqnj.gif

              Short answer:
              You're not going to have much luck growing your skeleton out anon.

              Long answer:
              Lots of dudes have weak shoulders and wide hips. Yes there are skeletal differences between genetic sex, but even these vary. If you want to get as close as possible, I'd honestly just eat well and work out, forget getting on test.
              My wife is pretty buff but she had wider shoulders to begin with. Though she'll never have thin hips, especially because of lipedema. There are just some things you can't really change about your body, it's not like modding a car or swapping out parts of a computer. Honestly I never understood why some people think "maleness" or "femaleness" has do to solely with how someone looks. What does that make tomboys or feminine guys?
              If you want to look your best for your body, just be healthy. Anything more than that is just following social trends. On that note, have you ever considered you might just be struggling with a social contagion? It's possible and even likely that you'll feel much better when your body is healthier. The more you try to force your body into something unnatural for it, despite however it appears externally, the less good you will feel. That goes for unnatural food, living conditions, fitness, etc.
              Hope that helps. Best of luck anon.

              the best reply in this thread. thanks anon.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >but I'm a man
                And some people are sexually attracted to rollercoasters. You need real help anon, and not from ~~*gender affirming therapists*~~

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Don't hurt yourself I will love you, you are not a man and you will never be one. You have a calcified pineal gland and a hormonal imbalance. You will be a manlet that nobody will ever accept truly as a man, it's better to live as you are

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Your body is that of a woman though. I might think and want in my mind that Im a 6'. Wish that I was born 6' but Im not. Fate did not make me tall and I must play my cards. You must accept that you are in a female body to be truly happy.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                How do you know what it feels like to be a man? How do you know what you're imagining being male feels like "inside" isn't a delusion caused by mental illness? No one innately "feels" like a specific sex, that's bullshit. You ARE your sex. You are lying to yourself if you think you know you're male off of some gut feeling.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                stop reading so much yaoi

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >i feel extreme discomfort and suffering in a female body and female social roles

                thinks she can hack it imitating being a man when she says she can't handle "discomfort" and "suffering" when being a man is almost entirely defined by discomfort and suffering.

                >I can't explain it, I just can't put it into words.

                inability to articulate complex ideas like a femoid

                dude just accept that you are a woman no one cares about your made up feelings shit about why you don't wanna, ya gotta.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Become my tomboy wife, you can dress however you please

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            but female hips are mostly made out of fat, so making the fat into muscle should help
            [...]
            who?
            [...]
            I did. and he said that the only treatment for my disability is transition.
            [...]
            I'd rather 41% myself than be a woman

            Is this how manlets or dicklets feel too? Trapped and want to die over something they can't change?

            Just follow Jessica buttner on insta and copy her workouts, she's as strong as a natty woman can be without getting mad fat.
            In b4 she's not natty. She is she's tested randomly

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Go outside, eat right, work out, and get therapy for your molestation and you'll stop being a fucking weirdo

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            don't come to IST asking advice, and definitely don't ask fit they're not gender therapists they're not gender therapists. Half are probably mtfs seething that someone wouldn't want to be a woman any way

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        YWNBAM

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        This is the flesh prison girl isn't it

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Why not cut your hair short and date women? Isnt that masculine enough? Do you really need $60000 of surgery to do that?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Short answer:
        You're not going to have much luck growing your skeleton out anon.

        Long answer:
        Lots of dudes have weak shoulders and wide hips. Yes there are skeletal differences between genetic sex, but even these vary. If you want to get as close as possible, I'd honestly just eat well and work out, forget getting on test.
        My wife is pretty buff but she had wider shoulders to begin with. Though she'll never have thin hips, especially because of lipedema. There are just some things you can't really change about your body, it's not like modding a car or swapping out parts of a computer. Honestly I never understood why some people think "maleness" or "femaleness" has do to solely with how someone looks. What does that make tomboys or feminine guys?
        If you want to look your best for your body, just be healthy. Anything more than that is just following social trends. On that note, have you ever considered you might just be struggling with a social contagion? It's possible and even likely that you'll feel much better when your body is healthier. The more you try to force your body into something unnatural for it, despite however it appears externally, the less good you will feel. That goes for unnatural food, living conditions, fitness, etc.
        Hope that helps. Best of luck anon.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        YWNBAM

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Take antipsychotics for your mental illness you degenerate. ywnbam

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Even if you build ip your shoulders, traps, biceps it’s not going to fix the way you see yourself in the mirror. Counseling might help. Probably not. Good bye.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Neck hangs x F. Ywnbaw

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Gender dysphoria isn't a real thing. Just turn off the computer you dumb fuck.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          l
          How about you help me then yoy fuckoing incosiderate fuck

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You will never be a man

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you want this?

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically, just follow the sticky

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Just do upper body workouts only and try to minimise bodyfat

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      should I also do hip work outs? I want to make my hips smaller, will working out help on this?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You can't make your hips smaller (they're bone) but you can probably make them appear smaller by lowering bodyfat. Don't work them out; that will increase muscle and size.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          but female hips are mostly made out of fat, so making the fat into muscle should help

          This is the flesh prison girl isn't it

          who?

          See a professional?

          I did. and he said that the only treatment for my disability is transition.

          just accept that you're a woman like jesus christ, have you ever been dicked? go get dicked maybe it will put some sense into you, otherwise enjoy suffering

          I'd rather 41% myself than be a woman

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I'd rather 41% myself than be a woman
            Why? Its easy mode. You wouldn't last a month as a male.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            jsut do ss & then see if you want to transition at the end of it, unlike the mtf there's no time limit for ftm
            stop talking about your mental illness too, anything except schizophrenia is unimpressive, fake and gay

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Female hip bones are proportionally wider, it's not just fat lmao.
            Did you feel uncomfortable with unwanted attention to your developing body growing up? Feel like you hated being ogled by creeps? Were you just more into "boyish" stuff? Sexual trauma? Do you have autism? All of these can contribute to these feelings you are feeling. Do you want to be a man, or do you just hate the things that being a woman comes with?
            It would be better for you to accept yourself for who you are than to try to be something that you are not, and will never be accepted as.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Did you feel uncomfortable with unwanted attention to your developing body growing up? Feel like you hated being ogled by creeps?
              I didn't get that kind of attention, I dressed like a boy since I was 4.
              >Were you just more into "boyish" stuff?
              yeah, like a normal boy would.
              >Sexual trauma?
              I'm a virgin in my 20s
              >Do you have autism?
              Probably no, and if I do it's undiagnosed
              >Do you want to be a man, or do you just hate the things that being a woman comes with?
              both. I'd be so much happier as a man, I really do want to be male. to be naturally stronger, to have a penis, and just to be male oh god I want to be male so bad. But yeah I also hate being a woman, probably because I'm a man. My brain is male, I was tested medically for it. and my brain is closer to a male brain than to a female one. also in kindergarten, I used to put play-doh in my pants to resemble a penis. and many more things even before puberty.

              >he said that the only treatment for my disability is transition
              That quack is just following what's popular and what makes money. No different from psychs prescribing expensive pills to shut you up. If you're in the US, get out asap, the medical industry wants to eat you alive.

              I'm in Europe

              >but I'm a man
              And some people are sexually attracted to rollercoasters. You need real help anon, and not from ~~*gender affirming therapists*~~

              what do you mean by "real help"? conversion therapy?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >and just to be male oh god I want to be male so bad
                do you get any kind of sexual excitement from the idea?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                no, I'm not sure if I'm even able to be sexually attracted to men. the thought of being male just makes me happy

                >I was tested medically for it. and my brain is closer to a male brain than to a female one
                What test even is that? If there is a proven difference can women just accept that's the reason they make 85 cents on the dollar to us finally?

                I don't remember the name, but it were just brain scans. also my psychiatrist told me to do some psychological tests and I got the male result every time. things like seeing less shades of colors, being less empathetic, having a better sense of direction etc.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but you don't have a y chromosome at the end of the day. Can't you just be a woman with more psychological traits of a man?
                I feel in my heart that I should be 6'2" and have an 8x6 but I don't so I just live with the cards I got.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                like I said before, I'd rather kill myself than live as a woman.

                Your body is that of a woman though. I might think and want in my mind that Im a 6'. Wish that I was born 6' but Im not. Fate did not make me tall and I must play my cards. You must accept that you are in a female body to be truly happy.

                >You must accept that you are in a female body to be truly happy.
                it's the exact opposite of it. at this point, the only thing that makes me truly happy is deluding myself that I'm male, in my imagination, where I have a loving wife and a dick that is mine. I can't feel happiness in any other way.

                You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection. All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors. Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

                thanks I guess. but I'm female. and I want to be male. you didn't even change the pasta that was meant for males that want to be female lol

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You constantly mention dick. You know there is more to being a male right? Is this just something you get off to?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I mention dick because men have them, and women don't

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                1 year ago
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                You will never be a man
                You will never be a real man. You have no sperm, you have no testes, you have no prostate. You are a homosexual woman twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

                All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

                Women are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed women to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a woman. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk chick home with you, She’ll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your diseased, infected neo-cock.

                You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

                Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a woman is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably female.

                This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

                reddit moment

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Lets say you magically grew a dick. Now what?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                now 40% of my depression disappears. and I go rape women with nakadashi, because if they find out it was me, it would make no sense since I'm legally female, and females can't impregnate so they'll never catch me.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >now 40% of my depression disappears
                It will probably get worse lel

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >only thing that makes me truly happy is deluding myself that I'm male
                A lie will never make you happy, in the back of your head you will always now it is a lie. You have let a insecurity and preserved fault take control of your life. The only way forward is accepting that you were born a female. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to be happy the way you are.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'm incapable of being happy and knowing I'm female at the same time. and I like being happy, even if achieving this means becoming delusional and lowkey schizophrenic

                wow anon it sounds like you have absolutely no conviction in what it takes to make a person a person. I am becoming less and less interested in you.

                I'm just boring. I'm sorry.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm incapable of being happy and knowing I'm female at the same time. and I like being happy, even if achieving this means becoming delusional and lowkey schizophrenic
                Who told you thus?
                Why told you transition was the answer?
                You know, people with OCD say things like this a lot, and it turns out that telling them the opposite (or even the truth) doesn't really fix their fixations. What can help, though, is ambiguity.
                You say "I'm incapable of this" but how about you try telling yourself instead "Maybe I am, maybe I'm not." give your mind no solid answer and sit with the discomfort that ambiguity brings.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Who told you this?
                myself. I just said it based on my observations. if I ask myself "when do I feel happiness", I can only see me in my bed, with my shota catboy dakimakura, hugging it, imagining it's a real person that loves me, and deluding myself my body is male. I feel really happy, nothing makes me as happy as this.

                >I'm incapable of being happy
                most people are like this. most people are boring too.

                just do the best you can to take care of yourself and slowly take your time in learning about the world. I hope you can find a way to be with someone who makes you happy because changing yourself will never do that.

                find a way to be with someone who makes you happy because changing yourself will never do that.
                that'd require a femboy or a girl that likes being fucked by a long, cold, plastic strap-on. and changing myself will make my delusions a little more real, and that would make me happy

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >that'd require a femboy or a girl that likes being fucked by a long, cold, plastic strap-on. and changing myself will make my delusions a little more real, and that would make me happy
                uh anon maybe you're projecting a bit here because it should be obvious (to you) that not everyone wants or needs to "get fucked" or "fuck someone" despite what you're led to believe by society, there are in fact a myriad of ways in which intimacy can go down

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >there are in fact a myriad of ways in which intimacy can go down
                not for me. people don't like me as a person. people don't want to cuddle with me. they don't even want to be my friends.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                it seems like you want things to be that way because it gives you control

                if you weren't suffering you'd just be nothing right? you can't think of anything else so you do this to exert leverage over anyone who hasn't given up on you

                grow up, literally go to the library or search t he net and learn something, literally get yourself educated so you're not so fucking far behind

                go out and have some kind of experience

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                So you're lonely is what I'm seeing, and you want the kind of love you only see represented in m/m pairings?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm incapable of being happy
                most people are like this. most people are boring too.

                just do the best you can to take care of yourself and slowly take your time in learning about the world. I hope you can find a way to be with someone who makes you happy because changing yourself will never do that.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                This is not true. There are people who are crippled, living in pain and been through true trauma and they can still be happy with out living in a delusion. And be happy with themselves.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                There have always been more masculine women. They are called tomboys. Disfiguring your body with irreversible surgery and destroying your hormone profile due to a twisted fomo social contagion is a modern construct

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                people with gender dysphoria existed centuries ago, just google it.

                You keep saying male instead of a man. You will never be male. Ever. You could sew on a meat stick to your pelvis and pretend it's your dick, you could take male hormones, you could grow facial hair and get buff. You make look like a man, but you'll never "be" male. Your chromosomes and gametes define maleness not muscle and facial hair. Every bone in your body, every tissue and every protein, will still be that of an XX human. You'll always want more. But even after you get as close as you can to male, the realization will hit you like a mack truck that you can never take that final step and truly be male. You'll be forced to confront the fact youre a mutilated disgusting female with no recourse besides suicide. My advice, do anything you can to fix this mental illness and get well again. You don't need to fix it yourself, you need medical help.

                If "male'' means just XY chromosomes, then I want to just look like a man. I don't want children anyway, and if I ever do, I can adopt

                >captcha: GD GD (GD is short for gender dysphoria)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you won't look like a man though, if your appearance doesn't give you away it will be your voice, if it's not your voice it'll be your height and the scar on your forearm

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >appearance
                there are low testosterone men
                >voice
                hormones change that
                >height
                short men exist
                >the scar on your forearm
                I'm gonna get metoidioplasty

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you are trying to quantify and disprove millions of years of evolution. Even if you check every box on your little checklist, you still will not pass

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                on that pic, the main differences are the brows and the hairline. that can be easily changed

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                That's just not true

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit btfo

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/gdqbaQn.png

                That's just not true

                It's true vice versa, chuds can't escape bone structure and pattern recognition

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous
              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/abagfyt.png

                [...]
                It's true vice versa, chuds can't escape bone structure and pattern recognition

                you have brainworms. they look like the gender they "try" to be, but they're just ugly. I'm talking about the people on pics, in case some retard misunderstand me

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not a fucking chud, I don't have brainworms. I'm a man who spends time around men and women. Even when you think you pass, it's clear that you're a queer

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Even low testosterone men have real working penises
                >voice
                Hormones make you go from sounding like a woman to sounding like a smoker. Lol you'll never really sound like a man
                >Height
                And they are ridiculed and looked down upon. Short women are not
                >scar
                What about the scar under your tits

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Hormones make you go from sounding like a woman to sounding like a smoker.
                men smoke too
                >And they are ridiculed and looked down upon.
                I'm not even that short
                >What about the scar under your tits
                I can cover it up in waterproof makeup or something

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not even that short
                U best be 5'8" saying that minimum

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'm 5'11 lol (but I wear these shoe inserts that make you taller)

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Unironically work out, and keep working out, constantly, until you are as huge as a woman can possibly get

                Take up Judo and Karate or Muay Thai, take HRT, take steroids, eat 200g of protein a day, get a personal trainer and improve your lifts to the absolute wall, do pull ups and push ups every day that isn't a rest and bench twice a week

                You are not going to transform into a man, but it is easily within your reach to be bigger than the average man, to be more reliable, stronger, to be tougher. Instead of just trying to convert, become the best version of yourself possible and consent to being with someone who loves you for who you are even if you don't.

                do not get genital reconstructive surgery it does not work. it causes suicide.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                But you won't sound like a man who smokes.... you'll sound specifically like woman who smokes. It's honestly funny how easy it is to spot once you hear them talk. It's like the whole charade is instantly dispelled
                >makeup
                yikes a man putting on makeup? That's just sad. Are you sure you aren't a girl?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think women put on makeup on their chest to cover up scars

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                they do when they give themselves a massive scar because some garden gnome told them it will cure her depression

                google it retard
                [...]
                you don't know how gender dysphoria feels like
                [...]
                but I don't even look like that. my face passes 80% of the time. I won't post it because I don't want to post my face online

                it doesnt matter what strangers say about what they think you look like, especially in a culture where they will be fired and outcasted for going against your delusions

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                A massive PAINFUL scar in a lot of cases, but as you also mention, we can't talk about that because of the stigma. Even mentioning the negative effects of this shit can get you accused of transphpbia.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >PP NATTY in a thread about op wanting to get an unnatural mockery of a male's penis
                what the fuck are the odds of that one

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >appearance
                there are low testosterone men
                >voice
                hormones change that
                >height
                short men exist
                >the scar on your forearm
                I'm gonna get metoidioplasty

                https://i.imgur.com/SM9Lhu7.jpg

                I'm 5'11 lol (but I wear these shoe inserts that make you taller)

                at best, you will "pass" as a manlet with female levels of testosterone, with the voice of a woman smoker, and an extremely feminine attitude that will make everyone find you repulsive, and your only "friends" will be disgusting liberal scum that only act like they like you because you are a chud
                OR
                you can just embrace the fact that you are a woman and live life on easy mode, and get professional help to fix your mental issues
                >BUT LE gnomish THERAPIST I TALKED TO TOLD ME I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO chud OUT!!!!!

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/SM9Lhu7.jpg

                I'm 5'11 lol (but I wear these shoe inserts that make you taller)

                also, women will still see you as short because the shoe inserts don't increase your leg/torso size, and you will ESPECIALLY be a laughing stock when they realize you are wearing inserts. they won't say it to your face, though

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't doubt that gender dysphoria is real, but whether you have it or not I don't think the answer is
                >Disfiguring your body with irreversible surgery and destroying your hormone profile
                Unless you want to join the circus

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                How tall are you? Are you as dysphoria about that as the rest?
                Just take anavar and be my gf

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                why do you want to have a boyish gf so much? are you gay? if you want a gf that acts and looks like a man, then just get a bf

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Strong gf make strong babby

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                no uterus gf make no babby

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but no doctor will just rip out working body parts. Their code is first do no harm

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                if I show them F64 diagnosis and give them money, they will do what I say

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                What is that and how do I get one so I can get free legal test and tren?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                google it retard

                >now 40% of my depression disappears
                It will probably get worse lel

                you don't know how gender dysphoria feels like

                Holy shit btfo

                but I don't even look like that. my face passes 80% of the time. I won't post it because I don't want to post my face online

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I wanna cum in your vagina with my functional dick. I'm getting hard typing this out

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Describe dysphoria then. Hell, describe "euphoria".
                Also post face or face twin.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous
              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >describe "euphoria"
                being enlightened by the great dao and mastering the sword to become truly free

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >euphoria
                Dumb HBO show starring the zendayho lady that 3rd spiderman's boinking

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                it's hard to describe, it's something that normal people won't understand. I know I'm not normal. I hate myself for it. but answering your question, dysphoria is when you suffer because your sex is different than your gender. euphoria is the opposite of it.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                That's not an answer. That's the kind of nebulous bullshit that tumblr and tiktok spit out. The kind of "Oh you wouldn't get it." thing that allows you to say you're male when you aren't, have never had the opportunity to be, and never will be.
                Let me try another set of questions.
                1. What's your response to

                I personally believe you should get into a bodybuilding. Become a masculine female with your male mindset. It might give you a logical sense of purpose while you strive towards a goal for yourself. Establish the groundwork, keep a routine, consult with a bodybuilding PT and eventually look into anabolics to gain more muscle if you want to. You needn't change sex or mutilate your genitals or grow a beard or anything but you could build your body toward masculine attributes and it may align with how you view yourself on the inside? At the very worst, if you don't like the results, you can try a different sport or area of fitness. I think you may gain a sense of fulfillment from this, but you might not know unless you try? What do you think?

                ?
                You didn't respond to the other guy either. Which leads us to
                2. What's so different/wrong with being a masculine woman? What is your objection to being a healthy tomboy or butch lesbian?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                stop this already. I said this many times to other people so many times, it gets tiring. also I'm drunk rihgt now. My response to

                I personally believe you should get into a bodybuilding. Become a masculine female with your male mindset. It might give you a logical sense of purpose while you strive towards a goal for yourself. Establish the groundwork, keep a routine, consult with a bodybuilding PT and eventually look into anabolics to gain more muscle if you want to. You needn't change sex or mutilate your genitals or grow a beard or anything but you could build your body toward masculine attributes and it may align with how you view yourself on the inside? At the very worst, if you don't like the results, you can try a different sport or area of fitness. I think you may gain a sense of fulfillment from this, but you might not know unless you try? What do you think?

                is that I'm thankful for giving me good advice, I'll follow it, I don't have any problems with it so I don't have anything to say.
                >What's so different/wrong with being a masculine woman? What is your objection to being a healthy tomboy or butch lesbian?
                tomboys and butches like their female bodies, or are neutral to it. I don't even want to be the most masculine man there is, I just want to be male. I want to be male so much it hurts, I don't want to be this way. I don't want my tits or uterus, it's so useless and disgusting

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Dear anon. I think of you as a male, and I hope many others will do the same. Now get the fuck out of here and go get some sleep. You're drunk and only hurting yourself. Take the good advice from this thread once you get your shit together, and refrain from arguing with dumb incels in the future.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Don't lie to OP.
                Males can never become female, females can never become male.
                People can play games with language all they want and talk about "gender" and "sex" being different things but at the end of the day sex is fixed.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >stop this already. I said this many times to other people so many times, it gets tiring.
                No. Not gonna stop because you know deep down its the truth, that's why it bothers you so much. You're chasing a lie that will turn you into a lifelong medical patient. It will take years off your life, nerd your IQ, permanently damage your body, and trap you in fixed costs you can't escape.
                It's like someone wanting to become diabetic.
                >tomboys and butches like their female bodies, or are neutral to it.
                This just tells me you've not spoken to many of them older than your own age group.
                >I don't even want to be the most masculine man there is, I just want to be male.
                You never will be.
                >I want to be male so much it hurts, I don't want to be this way.
                Why? What do you imagine your life will be like if you were male? What would you gain you don't have now?
                >I don't want my tits or uterus, it's so useless and disgusting
                You really have no idea how common this sentiment is, huh? Why do you think Tavistock saw such an explosion among young women once they were allowed to "treat" them?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >This just tells me you've not spoken to many of them older than your own age group.
                do they hate having a female body? maybe they have dysphoria
                >You never will be.
                I know, and I don't want to be this.
                >Why? What do you imagine your life will be like if you were male? What would you gain you don't have now?
                I could get out of my house without having a panic attack, I could have sex and impregnate women. etc.
                >You really have no idea how common this sentiment is
                I don't care if it's common. if adult females want to remove their sex organs, just let them be retarded. if they'll feel better from it, that's only good for them

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >do they hate having a female body? maybe they have dysphoria
                "Dysphoria" is the go-to diagnosis these days, and it's intrinsically linked to "gender dysphoria" but maybe it's not that. In my experience women who have these experiences tend to have them deminish when they get healthy/or find lifestyle changes and hobbies that benefit them.
                >I could get out of my house without having a panic attack, I could have sex and impregnate women. etc.
                How do you know that first part if you haven't experienced it? Who promised you that getting surgery and taking exogenous hormones will cure panic attacks?
                Also that second thing will never happen. You have to accept that.
                >I don't care if it's common. if adult females want to remove their sex organs, just let them be retarded. if they'll feel better from it, that's only good for them
                Doing things because they make you feel good is a terrible life philosophy. Go to /fph/ to get a glimpse of where living for "feel good" gets you.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                You just don't get it. Being a man is so much easier than what we women have to deal with every day..
                If your only response to me is meaningless incel-talk than wow.. I wonder why IST is filled with toxic masculinity..

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but you want to be a part of that toxic masculinity don’t you. Being clueless is part of being male.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                If you're not gonna help me just say it

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                what do you deal with every day?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                anxiety, panic attacks, disphoria. I'm also depressed, cut myself and have dark thoughts

                What don't I get? Spell it out for me. What am I missing and how would you getting your tits cut off and taking testosterone fix it in ways getting fit wouldn't?

                It's so easy to just sit there on your moms basement shittalking an innocent woman isn't it?

                Being a trans man would be harder than being a woman. You'd get way more looks and stigma than a butch tomboy. Might as well wear a clown costume.

                BS

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Those aren't woman problems, those are being retarded problems.

                Taking test and chopping off your tits won't make you not retarded lol

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >BS
                No shit and not trying to be an ass, but everyone who sees trans people notices how off they look. Very rarely do they ever pass as the opposite sex, and when they do they have a whole slew of other problems when it comes to finding a mate. The hormonal issues that come from physical transition also cause way more depression and anxiety than you realize, which causes a negative feedback loop whenever you have to deal with social interaction.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                C'mon anon if you want help, you gotta be specific. Would you feel happy if you were a really feminine guy who wore makeup and had long hair?

                I just wanna be a man

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                You wouldn't like it anyway. Your idea of being a man is fat from the real experience.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                With that definition you could just stick a sausage in your pants and change absolutely nothing else about your life and call it a day.
                Would that fix your depression and anxiety though?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Then get on testosterone and stop whining about it. Honestly.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                What else??

                [...]
                Why? You've never been a man, so how would you know if it's preferable to how you're living now?
                Not being a dick, I'm legitimately asking. Like, I've never been a cat, but I can identify which specific parts of being a cat sound preferable to being a people.

                Men have it easy

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                How do men have it easy?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                You can just do whatever you want with no consequences

                >Men have it easy
                Actual retard. Get legitimate treatment for your condition. Conversion therapy has terrible results and only exists to make you reliant on a lifetime of expensive medical treatments. Find a Christian (catholic or other Orthodox) or Muslim doctor to treat you

                If you're insult and mansplain me, at least elaborate on the subject.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Conversion therapy is the equivalent of treating a schitzo by making the voices clearer. I'm not a doctor so I never bothered to learn what drugs they used to use to treat gender dysphoria but I'm pretty sure it was some kind of anti psychotic. The success rate with that drugs was very high, compared to converstion therapies final stage being
                41%. I can't spoon feed this any harder.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'd rather 41% myself than not becoming a man

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Anti psychotics would fix that.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Are you talking about being self-reliant? You don't have to be a man to achieve that.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Men have it easy
                Actual retard. Get legitimate treatment for your condition. Conversion therapy has terrible results and only exists to make you reliant on a lifetime of expensive medical treatments. Find a Christian (catholic or other Orthodox) or Muslim doctor to treat you

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Any beginning workout routine will work fine for you. Your hip:shoulder ratio is masculine so you don't need any weird routine to compensate for that. Tbh If nothing else, eat more and gain weight. If you take T your body fat will redistribute from your thighs in like 2 months. Clearly you are either looking for a magic bullet solution or some external validation that will solve your problems. The only person who can solve your problems is you. The only thing else I can say is find a workout routine that you enjoy and feel you will stick to long-term. Look into calisthenics if you are socially anxious, its all bodyweight exercises you can do in your room. Also, try yoga, it's amazing and extremely good for your mental health. You can find daily yoga routines on youtube. Its a lot more enjoyable than doing endless repetitions of things.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >If you fucking read what I wrote you'd notice it's not something easily talked about
                >Can you just stop fucking anoying me and give me an answer?
                Why bother coming her asking for help if you're not willing to talk about it? Anon is asking questions to better help you get to the root of the issue here. What kind of answer do you really want?
                >Fuck you
                NTA but he's right. Lots of people feel pain going out on the street looking how they do. That's not dysphoria, that's an issue with self esteem.

                For real anon, trying to genuinely come from a place of care and wanting to help, it really sounds like you have a compulsion no different from OCD, Anorexia, etc. You can call it dysphoria if you want, but at the end of the day:

                You have a severe reaction to being seen in a specific way. Truth is you don't even know if someone sees you that way or not. Someone could be walking down the street and before they even get a good look at you, you'd be freaking out.
                Regardless of how things actually are, you have some kind of horrid fear of some concept that falls so far from reality that you can't even explain it. That makes it a delusion, again, no different from many other mental issues like OCD, Anorexia, etc etc.

                You want a good real answer? Find help from a doctor that takes you seriously and won't just tell you what you want to hear. It will be hard and it will hurt, but the alternative is that you will never get to the real root of the issue and thus will never be satisfied.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                What kind of career are you pursuing? I know that I have to provide for my wife and so I work my ass off. Life is not easy and men die earlier than women because of the stress.

                Can you provide for your family?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck you. Why can't you just help me instead of fucking insulting me

                https://i.imgur.com/yFdJtMQ.jpg

                >I can't go on the street looking like a woman. It just hurts.
                Why? Could you do it if you looked like picrel?
                >If you fucking read what I wrote you'd notice it's not something easily talked about.
                >Fuck you
                This is why people clash with trans ideology. You guys don't answer questions. It's like we're questioning your religion and how dare we.
                >How would you know
                Doctors aren't gods. You can just make friends with them irl and talk to them off to clock.
                >Can you just stop fucking anoying me and give me an answer? I don't want to be a fucking tomboy nor a woman.
                We're trying to. Part of the problem is you going "Ah bloo bloo I wanna be man" but you never will be male, so we're trying to understand what the actual problem is. There are men who look super feminine. Would you be happy if someone waved a magic wand and you turned into a guy who looked like Jeffee Starr?

                I don't care, I just want to have a penis and do man things without a care in the world

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >and do man things
                Like what? Nobody so fucking stopping you retard you literally do not even know what it is to be a man

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Anon is not insulting you. If you can't see that you're ngmi as a man.

                You can just do whatever you want with no consequences

                [...]
                If you're insult and mansplain me, at least elaborate on the subject.

                >You can just do whatever you want with no consequences
                >I don't care, I just want to have a penis and do man things without a care in the world
                lmao no, no no no. No. If that were truly the case, there'd be no male serial killers, no rapists in jail, etc.
                Hell look at all the men falsely accused of rape, the men who have to pay alimony to a wife who cheated on them, all the innocent men fucked over by someone prettier and more likeable than them? You can't truly believe not a single one exists. If you hate men that much, why would you want to be one?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >men falsely accused of rape blah blah blah
                those are only like 20 cases. not realistic.
                male serial killers and male rapists are exactly what i mean when i say you can do whatever you want while we women suffer

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah women are perpetual victims. If you're not a victim you're not a woman, it's part of the identity.
                Anon, all you need to do to be a man is to stop being persecuted.
                Too bad if you become a chud that persecution life is forever. Everyone knows trans people are perpetually persecuted.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                You're talking like a woman, can't do anything about that.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Why can't you just help me instead of fucking insulting me
                Because it's so fucking obviously impossible for a woman to be a man.
                A woman does not have a penis. You cannot grow your frame. All you can do is mutilate yourself into a monstrosity.
                Before you grow a penis, grow a fucking brain.

              • 7 days ago
                nutefag

                >i don't care, i just want to have a penis and do man things without a care in the world.

                this is why people have such a problem with transgenderism.

                most transgender people have a completely distorted idea of what it means to be the gender of their desire, and its usually a projection that is made up to deal with deep seated underlying psychological issues that they have that they are avoiding.

                whether or not you "just want to have a penis"

                you will never "just have a penis" because the technology is not there and might never be there, grafting a chunk of your forearm or leg onto your vagina won't give you a penis.

                and also, being a man isn't "doing man things without a care in the world", and so the idea that you are treating that way is insulting to men who have hard lives and try their best to live up to the responsibility of being a man, only to hear you trivialize it to some childish thing about play.

              • 7 days ago
                nutefag

                to be born a male or a female, is to be born with the responsibility of being a male or a female, you may not like it, it may come with it certain burdens and discomforts, but that is your lot in life.

                a measure of a person, especially a mans charector, is how gracefully they bear their burdens and responsibilities in life.

                you aren't handling the responsibility of being born female with grace, and this is ironically, something that will keep you from every truly understanding what it means to be a man.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Find help from a doctor that takes you seriously and won't just tell you what you want to hear. It will be hard and it will hurt, but the alternative is that you will never get to the real root of the issue and thus will never be satisfied.
                Could be difficult. APA changed their guidelines in 2015, and UK is her own beast.

                Fuck you. Why can't you just help me instead of fucking insulting me

                [...]
                I don't care, I just want to have a penis and do man things without a care in the world

                The longer this goes on, the most I believe

                This is bait. Entire thread is everyone saying do not pursue such a chaotic life choice and op just bitching and making excuses. For someone who identify as a man you bitch and whine like a women. All in your head.

                is right about this being bait.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                You don’t even know what it’s like to be one look present yourself as one, date women, whatever if that’s what you want but these surgeries are fucking insane we just accept it purely politically but nobody actually thinks this is rational thing to do. We don’t rip peoples eyes out because they demand to be blind. I don’t think skin crafting a fake member or chopping your body parts will help you. Deal with the cards you’re dealt with.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                You don't understand, my body, my choice.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                What don't I get? Spell it out for me. What am I missing and how would you getting your tits cut off and taking testosterone fix it in ways getting fit wouldn't?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Being a trans man would be harder than being a woman. You'd get way more looks and stigma than a butch tomboy. Might as well wear a clown costume.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm thankful for giving me good advice
                You're welcome, though I'd recommend keeping this thread open and reading it with a clear mind once you sober up. Believe me, alcohol will only stymie your rationale and make you emotionally & mentally overrun. If it's all a bit overwhelming for you at the moment, go somewhere without digital devices, touch grass, touch earth, and just be an observer of nature. Breathe slowly and with intention and observe your thoughts curiously, but you needn't have to own them; let them pass by. Visit a friend, grab a coffee. Hand wash a car, take your time and do it thoroughly. Sweep a cortyard. Cool and calm is key. It's daily practice. Once you attain this, consider the next step.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I'm the bodybuilding recommendation post, cheers for the bump anon. I just wanted to add that this sort of thing is a lifelong journey and we may never get all the answers we seek. It's just the way it is. Yet a holistic balance of physical training, i.e., bodybuilding: strength & hypertrophy to build muscle in conjunction with diet to stay lean (the bio-hack for a female doing this is you'll probably stop having periods when you reach a certain low BF%), talk therapy to better understand yourself, and maybe some form of meditation to accept things as how they are rather than what you hope to be (and that truly is the penultimate source of strength and liberation regardless of whether one has a spiritual inclination or not), will certainly aid on your life's journey. The scary yet most exciting realisation is you can change your strategy at anytime. You have your whole life to do so. I hope this helps and whether this thread is bait or not I wish you all the best.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                maybe you just want to doom spiral and get pity fucks

                could just be covert narcissism then

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >dysphoria is when you suffer because your sex is different than your gender
                good thing gender doenst exist then

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                anon I'm a male who wants to be a big titty anime lesbian and I do know how it feels

                here read the tao te ching and strive to achieve balance in this life to attain your goals in the next
                https://terebess.hu/english/tao/gia.html#Kap01

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >describe "euphoria"
                being enlightened by the great dao and mastering the sword to become truly free

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >le take anavar and transition
                >muh strong children

                Do you really believe the subhuman copes you pull out of your ass? Unironically don't have problems with fags but you closeted morons are the true subhumans, maybe because it require some serious delusion and low IQ to pull off this trash narrative for this long

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                If being attracted to fit women like

                [...]

                Or Monica granda For example is gay I'll be the grand marshal for the next pride parade.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What this anon said

                you won't look like a man though, if your appearance doesn't give you away it will be your voice, if it's not your voice it'll be your height and the scar on your forearm

                You won't actually look like a man ever lol. Even if you had a billion dollars together the highest quality surgeries and hormones, you'll always be this macabre caricature of a man.... everyone will think somethings not quite right with you, in the best case. They'll always look back and think about you like you have some problem, or some deficiency... you'll never be respected or recognized for your maleness. You may be respected because of you as a person, but never because of your maleness. And in that case, I truly don't see any reason to not do what other anon said, get healthy get strong, don't worry too much if you look like a guy or girl, and however your natural body ends up, just live with it. Any other direction but healthy, strong, normal human will make you feel worse

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I personally believe you should get into a bodybuilding. Become a masculine female with your male mindset. It might give you a logical sense of purpose while you strive towards a goal for yourself. Establish the groundwork, keep a routine, consult with a bodybuilding PT and eventually look into anabolics to gain more muscle if you want to. You needn't change sex or mutilate your genitals or grow a beard or anything but you could build your body toward masculine attributes and it may align with how you view yourself on the inside? At the very worst, if you don't like the results, you can try a different sport or area of fitness. I think you may gain a sense of fulfillment from this, but you might not know unless you try? What do you think?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Disregard these lame fucks. If you bulk and become stronger, you will inevitably approach a male physique. But only as long as you do proper, full body workouts, and avoid routines aimed specifically at women only. The keyword here is approach, though, and you'll have to make peace with that. Decreasing your body fat percentage after you've gained muscle could also help, to around 15-20%. Though I'm not sure how healthy that is for a woman, please stay safe and do some research on that. Check out u/whispercharmgirl on Reddit, she also has a YouTube channel where she goes over her routine. Though I'm a hetero male and would bang her without blinking, I think there's a lot of male in her physique. That's definitely thanks to her doing "manly" strength training. The rest is probably mostly down to how you dress and carry yourself. Good luck anon, I hope I was of some help.

                No response to actually helpful posts above, only shitposts. Is this thread bait?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >people with gender dysphoria existed centuries ago, just google it
                Nope, wrong-o. (You) google it.
                >If you're thinking of Native American Two-Spirit, that concept was invented in the 90s by an LGBT group.
                >If you're thinking of the Hijra from India is the same as the Thai ladyboys.
                >You could technically make an argument for the Muxe, but only males can be Muxe, there's no such thing as a female Muxe.

                All other examples from throughout history are strictly replacement men or replacement women, there were never any documented cases of gender dysphoria from centuries ago, let alone trans people, especially not in the context the modern western world defines them.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Don't forget the gallae, who went back to "boy mode" and left the actual women in their temples to get raped to death as soon as shit got rough.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I was tested medically for it. and my brain is closer to a male brain than to a female one
                What test even is that? If there is a proven difference can women just accept that's the reason they make 85 cents on the dollar to us finally?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Grass is always greener on the otherside

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                There's a lot of wisdom to this post. Like other anons have said: surgery and drugs will not make a man. You can believe anyone you want about this, but the reality is we are just not medically and scientifically there to swap someone's genders. It's not a money thing, it's just not that advanced and won't be in our lifetime (if it ever will be, but that's a tangent). Even if it was possible, being a man is so much more than hormones and a penis.

                To OP: I would implore you to reconsider doing anything permanent to yourself. Everyone goes through different periods in their life and those carry their own priorities. You can say you want this for your entire life and mean it. I have felt the same way about things when I was younger. There is nothing to stop you from becoming whomever you want. But don't sacrifice your health and your possibilities in the future chasing something that will not fully get you there.

                To answer the orginal question: Get some general strength training under your belt. Once you have a solid foundation, which will likely take around 2 years, reassess how your body looks and your general progress in strength. From there, you could decide to continue lifting for strength or switch to a program based more on body building. It sounds like in your original post you are looking for a quick fix like most beginning lifters. Relax and ease into the process. Weightlifting can be a very fulfilling journey for a lifetime if you stick with it. The benefits are massive for everyone. If you have realistic expectations, you can build the muscle you want.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You keep saying male instead of a man. You will never be male. Ever. You could sew on a meat stick to your pelvis and pretend it's your dick, you could take male hormones, you could grow facial hair and get buff. You make look like a man, but you'll never "be" male. Your chromosomes and gametes define maleness not muscle and facial hair. Every bone in your body, every tissue and every protein, will still be that of an XX human. You'll always want more. But even after you get as close as you can to male, the realization will hit you like a mack truck that you can never take that final step and truly be male. You'll be forced to confront the fact youre a mutilated disgusting female with no recourse besides suicide. My advice, do anything you can to fix this mental illness and get well again. You don't need to fix it yourself, you need medical help.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >My brain is male, I was tested medically for it. and my brain is closer to a male brain than to a female one.
                This isn't a thing. You're either misunderstanding something, lying, or the doctor lied to you.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm a man. My brain is male, I was tested medically for it. and my brain is closer to a male brain than to a female one

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

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                h

                Babeee I’d pay for your transition if you let me devirginize you while you’re still a woman.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I will be a virgin wizard until I die. I still have hymen. if I ever stop being a virgin, I'll do it like a man, by putting my dick (strap-on) in a hole.

                https://i.imgur.com/taDpF5y.jpg

                for those trips yeah

                OP here, that's not me

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                post physique opie

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Stupid shit like this can only come from a woman or a garden gnome

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >he said that the only treatment for my disability is transition
            That quack is just following what's popular and what makes money. No different from psychs prescribing expensive pills to shut you up. If you're in the US, get out asap, the medical industry wants to eat you alive.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ywnbam

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If you work real hard you can look as strong/masculine as elliot page

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >replying to females
    Everyone in this thread should kill themselves tbh

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    post body

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    tits or gtfo

  11. 1 week ago
    I hate women

    You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection. All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors. Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      lmao you just validated OP

      https://i.imgur.com/0Xdnn5B.png

      How to have male body type when I'm female? I want broad shoulders, narrow hips, etc. Don't ask me why I want this, I'm not gonna answer and this is not the point of this thread. I'm very skinny, my BMI is 17. I'm also very weak right now, I can't even do one push-up properly. I want to get stronger and bulkier. If I'll work out for an hour everyday, how much will change in a month? and in 6 months? Keep in mind that I'm not testosteronized so it'll be harder for me to gain muscle. My main goal is to get physically strong, and to have a male, mesomorphic body type. Which exercises do you recommend? And how to reduce fat in my hips without getting them bigger?

      (OP)
      Honestly OP it just sounds like you might just be a tomboy. Reading through this thread and everything you've described is how my sister grew up. She would probably be diagnosed with the same stuff as you nowadays, but 20 years ago she felt pretty much how you're describing yourself. She's now fine with her body, never called herself a man, but always thought it was unfair she couldn't do "boy stuff". She doesn't participate in any typical girl stuff and has mostly guy friends. No makeup, still dresses like a dude and besides me, no one gives her shit about it lol. Only difference is that she's asexual and has mild asperger's.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but the difference is that tomboys don't want to get their tits chopped off

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Posted by
    u/Edgelord_HH

    1 year ago
    Helpful

    You will never be a man
    You will never be a real man. You have no sperm, you have no testes, you have no prostate. You are a homosexual woman twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

    All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

    Women are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed women to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a woman. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk chick home with you, She’ll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your diseased, infected neo-cock.

    You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

    Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a woman is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably female.

    This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I FORGOT TO REMOVE THE TeXT ATT HE TOP XDDDDDD FUCK
      anyway op have a nice day. you get the point

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        go back to /r/eddit

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          I mention dick because men have them, and women don't
          [...]
          reddit moment

          i searched up you will never be a man to find this version of it and selected the first result dumbass

  13. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Disregard these lame fucks. If you bulk and become stronger, you will inevitably approach a male physique. But only as long as you do proper, full body workouts, and avoid routines aimed specifically at women only. The keyword here is approach, though, and you'll have to make peace with that. Decreasing your body fat percentage after you've gained muscle could also help, to around 15-20%. Though I'm not sure how healthy that is for a woman, please stay safe and do some research on that. Check out u/whispercharmgirl on Reddit, she also has a YouTube channel where she goes over her routine. Though I'm a hetero male and would bang her without blinking, I think there's a lot of male in her physique. That's definitely thanks to her doing "manly" strength training. The rest is probably mostly down to how you dress and carry yourself. Good luck anon, I hope I was of some help.

  14. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    You will never be one of us.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      there is no us

      you are alone in your cave, fool

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Silence, hole. Do not date to speak to me. You as a woman don't know male comradery, that is why you seek it. However, because you were born a woman, you were never challenged; something thatnis crucial for men.

        You will never be one of us.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          go get fucked again by your grandpa lodgecuck no one cares for your senile delusions

  15. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    weak b8 m8

  16. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Even if you "succeed" the only person you'll be fooling is yourself.

  17. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    uh oh..chud sisters.. did we get too cocky?

  18. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Why did your parents let you wear boy clothes at 4? Did they want to be fucked up? You feel this way because you simply can't relate socially to other women; you have no place in society. You aren't born with a male brain or any of that bullshit, you are a stunted, damaged female. My advice? Fake it till you make it and start presenting as a strong, feminine female. Don't cut out your uterus, anon. Don't fall for the literal meme of the 21st century.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Why did your parents let you wear boy clothes at 4?
      I have no idea, they just did. maybe they wanted to give me freedom or just didn't care?
      >You aren't born with a male brain
      but I am. gender identity develops as early as the fetus, and I had it confirmed to have more testosterone in fetal development. I have male digit ratio, picrel.
      >start presenting as a strong, feminine female
      I'd rather die. I don't know how many times I said it ITT

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >that hand
        stop being a fucking dyel first then think about transitioning holy shit you're just skinny fat you dumbass

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >I have no idea, they just did. maybe they wanted to give me freedom or just didn't care?
        Or you were fucking FOUR and toddlers are little shitheads who will throw tantrums over anything. They probably just stuck you in whatever they knew you wouldn't tear off in public.
        >but I am. gender identity develops as early as the fetus, and I had it confirmed to have more testosterone in fetal development. I have male digit ratio, picrel
        Lots of women have this. Jesus.
        >I'd rather die. I don't know how many times I said it ITT
        Why? Wait, let's back up. Maybe we're failing to communicate here. What do you think a strong woman even looks like?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >I have no idea, they just did. maybe they wanted to give me freedom or just didn't care?
        If they didn't care that's likely a cause of your dysphoria. I'd explore that if I were you.
        >Gender horseshit science
        Literally goes against the entire principle of the scientific method. Discard all of it.
        >I'd rather die
        Yes, because you haven't accepted it, you don't want it. This is 99% psychological, digit ratios be damned. Digit ratios generally have a weak correlation to a ton of factors, but it is by no means a criteria for any psychological disorder.

        I think you have some self-exploration to do. Did you have any female friends growing up? What about your relationship with your parents? Sexual trauma? Repressed trauma? I could go on forever. Don't do this to yourself, it's self harm.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Lets reframe the question

        Who are your male role models? What about female role models?

        what exactly do you think makes a man, male? what is their role in society? how are they supposed to be? what about females?

        Explain to me how you are defining these concepts that you are so completely sure about.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Great questions anon. I hope OP and anyone lurking ITT thinks on them.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Who are your male role models? What about female role models?
          I don't really have ''role models", I just do what makes me happy
          >what exactly do you think makes a man, male? what is their role in society? how are they supposed to be? what about females?
          his body. male and female are bodies (sexes), man and woman are genders, social roles. there's not that much difference on who can do what, gender roles have changed. women can drive cars and wear pants. now it's normal. and that's good. I just want to have a male body.

          >I'm thankful for giving me good advice
          You're welcome, though I'd recommend keeping this thread open and reading it with a clear mind once you sober up. Believe me, alcohol will only stymie your rationale and make you emotionally & mentally overrun. If it's all a bit overwhelming for you at the moment, go somewhere without digital devices, touch grass, touch earth, and just be an observer of nature. Breathe slowly and with intention and observe your thoughts curiously, but you needn't have to own them; let them pass by. Visit a friend, grab a coffee. Hand wash a car, take your time and do it thoroughly. Sweep a cortyard. Cool and calm is key. It's daily practice. Once you attain this, consider the next step.

          thanks anon. people like you are the reason I'm still on IST.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't really have ''role models", I just do what makes me happy

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            wow anon it sounds like you have absolutely no conviction in what it takes to make a person a person. I am becoming less and less interested in you.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            I'm so sorry anon, it seems like you lack the (male) ability to think critically about your situation and reflect

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              I'm drunk at this moment. I'll look at this thread again tomorrow, and think about it more

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >thanks anon
            You're welcome, and remember: when in hell, keep going. It is your duty and burden to do so, if you're a man. Fulfillment for a day is getting drunk.
            Fulfillment for a lifetime is to plant a tree.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >I just want to have a male body.
            What exactly about the male body do you want? Do you want a dick (ie a sex organ to stick into things)?
            Do you want stereotypical "male" wider shoulders and thinner hips (ie in the same way a lot of normal weight men and women experience anorexia)?
            Do you want a deeper voice?
            What are the specifics and more importantly why do you feel you would be unhappy without them?

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              Everything

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                C'mon anon if you want help, you gotta be specific. Would you feel happy if you were a really feminine guy who wore makeup and had long hair?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                I just wanna be a man

                Why? You've never been a man, so how would you know if it's preferable to how you're living now?
                Not being a dick, I'm legitimately asking. Like, I've never been a cat, but I can identify which specific parts of being a cat sound preferable to being a people.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Mirin those thick wrists, probably thicker than mine

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Take SARMs, they are a prerequisite for a female workout routine if you want to get swole like a guy. Frequent muscular injections are dangerous and a lot of testosterone lately has been contaminated. If I can give you one piece of advice as a detransitioner: stop desperately coping and trying to get validation points from internet misogynists. Not everyone will validate your gender identity, if you want gender validation spend time with the LGBTBBQ where you are likely to receive it. There is really no point trying to emulate males as a transman because you aren't a male, you are a transman. Besides you'll pick up all kinds of toxic behaviors and social contagions that are worse for you than just hanging around queers. Befriend more transmen if you need advice on being a dwarfmaxxed female

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >If I can give you one piece of advice as a detransitioner
          Congrats.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            zero regrets tbh. I'm permanently shota-fied and I love it

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              Be happy and healthy, buddy.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              post body

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                for those trips yeah

  19. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    take SARMS

  20. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Full transition is the poor woman choice, The "get on roids, grow a micropenis and claim fbb" is the ubermensch transition choice

    You'll only attract 100% repressed homosexuals and lesbians tho

  21. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Wait guys, I got it! What does any effeminate/small dicked/low T/neurotic manlet need to turn their life around? not ISTness or martial arts or dick surgery!

    OP you need to gtfo and go to >>>IST if you wanna become a real man

  22. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Swimming.
    /thread

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Lol forgot about this bitch

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        fuck you ledecky fan. I recognize you, shitting all the swimsuit threads in /s/
        sarah is the one and only queen

        >virgin ledecky 2 WR
        >chad sjöström 5 WR

  23. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Kys if you're a chud but hey, if you're actually just someone that wants to look/be stronger, we'll help. You should've clarified that in the beginning, retard.

    Anyway, you'll have to work on your delts, lats and chest. Meaning
    >any type of lateral raise
    >any type of vertical press
    >any type of non close grip horizontal press
    >any type of rear delt fly
    >any type of horizontal row
    >any type of vertical row

    There you go. Good luck. Pretty sure you could split these into 2 upper body days a week.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Anon! What do you recommend for bodyweight exercises?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Pushups and Pullups or inverted rows if pullups are too hard

        thank you for an actually helpful reply. also, will doing that shrink my tits? I want it to happen

        Losing bodyfat is the only thing you can do to lose tits. With all due respect, I'd love to include that you're disgusting. I'd rather have a male friend with an IQ of 3 than a trans man.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          This came up earlier, but you can't shrink boobs past a certain point. They're not just fat, it's fat + tissue, so even if you loose all your boob fat there will still usually be stuff there if you're above a B cup.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      thank you for an actually helpful reply. also, will doing that shrink my tits? I want it to happen

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Losing weight only shrinks fat deposits, so if you have dense breasts it won't do anything to the breast tissue.

  24. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I'd bet, based on your BMI, that not eating enough is what's limiting you the most right now. Start tracking calories so that you can ensure you're in a calorie surplus. If you're not gaining 1-2 lbs every 2 weeks, try to raise your daily calories by around 200-300. I go for 3 lbs a month minimum but it's a percentage of current body weight and I'm guessing you're under 150. I also don't suggest bulking too hard because your poor anabolism won't let you put on muscle fast anyway. But eating enough IS YOUR PRIORITY.

    Do big compound lifts with upper body focus. That means bent rows, pullups, parallel bar dips, standing ohp and bench press should be the meat and potatoes of your routine. Maybe do 30-45 minutes cardio 1-3 times a week just because it'll keep you healthy and no fucked-up, unwell body is gonna do what you want it to (in your case, build muscle).

    Preferably don't do cardio that eats into your recovery budget: that means cycling, walking and swimming once a week each is way better than jogging or kickboxing at all imo. If you love jogging or kickboxing, fine, but just know that it pulls your body's attention away from building muscle.

  25. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    OP here, many people asked me to post my body, so here it is. I mainly want to reduce my hip and thigh fat.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      fucking knew it was a dyel

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      heres a hint retard being a man isn't about REDUCING it's about GAINS

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        but with those hips IWNBAM

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      What are you attracted to? Women? You're a lesbian?

      • 7 days ago
        nutefag

        you just know they are a cringe tard female to male "homosexual" and are young as fuck and are just freaked out by going through puberty

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      you aren't fat, you're borderline anorexic. You don't need to lose fat, you need to put on muscle. Tbh your physique would fill out really well, your shoulders are wide and your thighs arent even fat, your brain is just tricking you to percieve them as fat

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Hnnnnnnng

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Manhands but everything else, no you’re not going to pass. Maybe you don’t care.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        I just wanted to show my silhouette more, actually I look more like picrel in clothes. god I hate my hips and thighs

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Show these posters on the wall

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          anon maybe the problem is that you're weak rather than being a woman

          your body looks like shit because you don't eat or exercise right, or at all

          even if you were a man you would hate yourself and not think of yourself as one because of how meek and lazy you are

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      You better not be wearing a fugging binder I stg

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        wdym?

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Binder bad for you. Hurt muscles. Counteracts what you're trying to do with your workouts

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Please date me

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        will you let me put my plastic dick in your ass?

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          If you let me get you pregnant at least 5 times

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            even the quads won't convince me

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              I'll treat you right, we can live in my small california town. We'll go to the cafe on saturdays and go to the beach every friday night to see the sunset. You'll cook food and raise kids and I'll work hard to provide for you, my tomboy wife

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                you made me want to puke and do a DIY hysterectomy.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                This could be us 🙁

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                you want to be a house

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous
              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                He must be Phil Leotardo. Oldest trick in the book turning yourself into a house.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                "What could he do? Phil was a made man and the house wasn't"

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      built for BWC. nice hips

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      lets make sex if you know what i mean

  26. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Take d3(5000iu), k2, zinc and magnesium. It'll sort out your hormones.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      She's female and skinny af, probably needs some dietary fixes, too.

  27. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >anxiety
    Can be an actual medical thing cause by bad health. Anxiety is both a medical condition and an emotion and it would be great if we could differentiate between the two.
    >panic attacks
    See above
    >disphoria
    You have yet to provide a definition for this that isn't "You couldn't understand"
    >I'm also depressed, cut myself and have dark thoughts
    Sounds like clinical depression. Have you considered that as an alternative diagnosis?
    >It's so easy to just sit there on your moms basement shittalking an innocent woman isn't it?
    It's not shit talking to NOT just go along with what someone else is saying. I'm asking actual questions. None of these are gotchas, they're the questions your doctors would be asking you if they were legally allowed to do so.
    >BS
    How so? How would being a "trans man" be easier than being a tomboy?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Can be an actual medical thing cause by bad health. Anxiety is both a medical condition and an emotion and it would be great if we could differentiate between the two.
      I can't go on the street looking like a woman. It just hurts.
      attacks
      >See above

      >You have yet to provide a definition for this that isn't "You couldn't understand"
      If you fucking read what I wrote you'd notice it's not something easily talked about.
      >>I'm also depressed, cut myself and have dark thoughts
      >Sounds like clinical depression. Have you considered that as an alternative diagnosis?
      Fuck you
      >>It's so easy to just sit there on your moms basement shittalking an innocent woman isn't it?
      >It's not shit talking to NOT just go along with what someone else is saying. I'm asking actual questions. None of these are gotchas, they're the questions your doctors would be asking you if they were legally allowed to do so.
      How would you know
      >>BS
      >How so? How would being a "trans man" be easier than being a tomboy?
      Can you just stop fucking anoying me and give me an answer? I don't want to be a fucking tomboy nor a woman.
      Same applies to

      With that definition you could just stick a sausage in your pants and change absolutely nothing else about your life and call it a day.
      Would that fix your depression and anxiety though?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't go on the street looking like a woman. It just hurts.
        Why? Could you do it if you looked like picrel?
        >If you fucking read what I wrote you'd notice it's not something easily talked about.
        >Fuck you
        This is why people clash with trans ideology. You guys don't answer questions. It's like we're questioning your religion and how dare we.
        >How would you know
        Doctors aren't gods. You can just make friends with them irl and talk to them off to clock.
        >Can you just stop fucking anoying me and give me an answer? I don't want to be a fucking tomboy nor a woman.
        We're trying to. Part of the problem is you going "Ah bloo bloo I wanna be man" but you never will be male, so we're trying to understand what the actual problem is. There are men who look super feminine. Would you be happy if someone waved a magic wand and you turned into a guy who looked like Jeffee Starr?

  28. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    This is bait. Entire thread is everyone saying do not pursue such a chaotic life choice and op just bitching and making excuses. For someone who identify as a man you bitch and whine like a women. All in your head.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly
      I once split my hand open on a nail and I just taped it shut and didn't give a shit.
      My life goal is to dig a hole so big and deep the government will have to kill me to stop me from digging.
      That's the essence of being a man, OP will always be a woman in every way especially in her being mentally ill
      A woman is supposed to shit out kids, it doesn't go much further than that. OP's goal is to be a man?
      That's not a goal, it's a delusion.
      Do I think it would be cool if I was a hot bimbo that could coast on my hot body? Sure, but that's just a thought. I'm not a woman. I'm a dude, a big fucking bear of a man that likes warm holes. I also think it would be awesome to be a fucking dinosaur. Trannies must have seriously low IQs if they can't get over their biology.
      The manlets will not grow. Girls are not boys. Boys are not girls. Dicklets cannot grow their cawks.
      This logic is simple for men, excluding gays (which are mentally ill).
      This is why OP will never be a man

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        BASED, TELL US MORE ABOUT THE HOLE

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          I'm glad you asked my friend.
          I plan to buy around 20-50 acres, to get the money I've decided to become a tradesman. All the money will go into buy the land, and I will begin digging the earth in the center of my property until I die somehow, maybe I will turn old and gray and I will dig with my last breath.
          I'll cut the surrounding trees to build ladders and I'll dig and mine and dig and mine.
          I'll grow my my crops to sustain myself and use the plant waste to make moonshine.
          It is the dream. This is why God placed me here, to create a mighty hole. The earth, she'll fight me as I penetrate her with my body's undying will, and she will submit to me and I will conquer her body.
          What giants and subterranean beasts she sends to me I'll break them to pieces and continue to conquer the earth. The mighty behemoth will stomp and I will not stop toiling. Gaea is a whore and she's mine.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Dangerously based and interesting anon.
            Share contact info, I want more hole stories

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Based. You will be the first human to make contact with hollow earth inhabitants

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >I also think it would be awesome to be a fucking dinosaur.
        I'd be a dinosaur that looks like this. Look at the colors. It has claws, too, so I could eat any other birds that piss me off.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/VJKs22D.jpg

        I'm glad you asked my friend.
        I plan to buy around 20-50 acres, to get the money I've decided to become a tradesman. All the money will go into buy the land, and I will begin digging the earth in the center of my property until I die somehow, maybe I will turn old and gray and I will dig with my last breath.
        I'll cut the surrounding trees to build ladders and I'll dig and mine and dig and mine.
        I'll grow my my crops to sustain myself and use the plant waste to make moonshine.
        It is the dream. This is why God placed me here, to create a mighty hole. The earth, she'll fight me as I penetrate her with my body's undying will, and she will submit to me and I will conquer her body.
        What giants and subterranean beasts she sends to me I'll break them to pieces and continue to conquer the earth. The mighty behemoth will stomp and I will not stop toiling. Gaea is a whore and she's mine.

        Is this pasta? I feel like I've read this before.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Extremely based, I wish I could help you with the hole thing. When I was a kid me and a friend dug a hole in my backyard over the summer. Got to be about 6 feet deep and then my parents filled it in because they didn't want our old dog falling in and dying. Miss that hole sometimes. we probably could've tunneled all over town

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck yeah me and a friend almost dug out an entire midsized sandbox and pretended it was a trench

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          They will make hole digging illegal soon worldwide.

          https://abc11.com/myrtle-beach-rules-digging-city-of/10664214/

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            ((They)) want us all to be slaves, I've never seen clearer evidence it's almost too obvious now
            I VILL DIG ZE HOLES AND THEY VILL KVETCH

  29. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    a man would never be such a whiny fucking moron bitch, a man would just go lift
    thats literally what men do when they think theyre weak and depressed, they get big
    you on the other hand are fucking clueless
    but unlike you, dumb bitch, im generous, heres what you need to do: go watch some detransitioning videos by women on youtube

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      OP here are some videos for you:

      Hell, here's one from chud Blaire White:

  30. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Every Woman wants to be a man deep down because they know men are superior. That's why most of them want to get filled with male essence (our sperm). It makes them become part man. Other women try to control men and put them down to feel better about themselves. And then there's women like you not realizing the role you have been chosen for and trying to force impossible things (female behavior) instead of taking the rational approach (male behavior)

  31. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck off chud. Becoming a "man" won't un-molest you

  32. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    into lifting and currently dating a nb trans boy who went the route of no surgery/hormones. I can recommend a few things that have worked for my partner given the position you're in

    you're starting from zero at your given BMI so focus on eating sorta like you have been but adding way more sources of protein like egg whites and greek yogurt to essentially be in a clean bulk. learn to work on upper body like any dude would and do some legs sometimes, I assume you're already not interested in being like booty focused girls but if you like the idea of having a fat ass feel free to include some of that in your routine. get good at rest and recovery

    if you want to look as masculine as possible without surgery I suggest looking at leanbeefpatty as a body goal. she's a girl but incels on here already shit on her for looking too masculine so it's your best bet for a role model and she does genuinely look good.

    best of luck, my friend. you will find your way

  33. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    if your going about treating yoru gender dysphoria by becomming more swole instead of buying in to chud shit, then congratulations.

  34. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    you can just work out, work your shoulders and upper body. but for real gains do informed consent testosterone, but your clit will enlarge, your voice deepen, and facial hair will start to grow. you don't have to get into male ranges of T if you don't want to go full tilt, tell them you're non binary or some shit

  35. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Hop on the var and post on fit for attention.

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