Hello frens.
I want to sleep for gains. But I can't. Whatever I do, it doesn't work. Went to see different docs, no difference. Tried putting away my phone and everything and rolled around in bed for 4 hours after 48+ hours without sleep, nothing happening, not getting sleepy. This has been the case for a year, my average sleep per week must be 16-24 hours. What do? Do I just give up on gains? :0
melatonin
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This. Small doses of melatonin (2.5-5 mg) will help lul you to sleep, though as a side effect you could have some wacky dreams.
Have tried already, didn't work. Thanks anyway fren.
try upping the dose. Like 20 mg and you will be knocked out
Idk, I don't wanna go in with higher dosages from the getgo.
I had similar issues walking for 90 minutes a day, not overtraining, and sleeping on a thin futon on the floor I also can only sleep at around 4pm if things are too quiet it makes me apprehensive. Also don't jerk off right before sleep. You can become really sleep dependent on that post orgasm calm wave to get to sleep but it goes away fast and can't keep you asleep.
anything over 3mg pretty much builds dependency as do almost all sleep inducing drugs. They also build dependency really fast it's kind of like an addiction to if you're ever get a dependency for one it can be back in full swing after a dose or two.
Quit lying to yourself
But I'm not lying? I just be laying in bed for hours waiting to sleep and nothing's happening :0
Another anon here. How do you maintain sleep? If I manage to fall asleep between 21:00-22:00 I wake up super early at like 01:00-02:00 and at any hour past 22:00 I wake up tired af after at most 6 hours of sleep. How the frick can I STAY asleep longer?
I kind of have the opposite problem. If I go to bed at like 0300-0400 (evening shift worker) I'll wake up to my alarms at 0900 and 1000, get up and piss, but fall back asleep until 1200. How do I stay awake? I don't want to sleep my daylight away bros
Stop drinking caffeine, caffeine fricks with your deep sleep.
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What did he mean by this?
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If you can't sleep, don't stay in bed.
Frick around, read, music, tea, no phones/bright lights in your room, whatever you want until you get tired, then head to bed.
If you aren't sleeping, get out again.
Have an alarm for the morning, get up no matter how much you've slept, go outside, get sunlight, do your pre-sleep routine at your intended bed time and repeat.
Hold yourself accountable and actually stick with it. Associate the day with doing shit, and night time with sleeping.
Secondly, get a professional opinion.
Any time I do that I get 0 sleep and I feel sick and throw up or get close to that. Bad idea :/
>professional
Like whom? The 3 docs I visited weren't worth shit
Throw up? What are you doing?
... throwing up? Wdym?
>age
19 in a few days
>no caffeine
no issue, haven't drunk coffee in half a year
>no food
Eh, I like evenly spacing my meals and I think I'll continue to do that. I tried not eating anything a few hours before sleep but that just led to be hungry and restless.
>no drinks
Kinda tough coz my throat tends to dry up before sleeping, need water
>bedtime ritual
...okay?
>eyemask
Tried that, not too helpful
>BEFORE you wanna go sleep
Doing that for the past 12 months, pretty useless. As said, I just be wiggling around.
>you won't care that you have insomnia
That's kinda tough considering the sole goal I have in life rn is to pass a few exams and get more jacked and I need sleep for both of those
Why are you throwing up?
Idk, I just feel super sick after a full night without a single drop of sleep.
Frick no
Won't change the fact I can't sleep at any of those times
What's a GP? And what sort of specialist do you recommend?
Aight
I eat healthy and melatonin didn't work :0
how old are you?
I had the same thing when I was late teens into early 20s. I literally could not sleep before 3 to 4 am regardless of what I did. I was on melatonin etc and nothing helped other than simply out growing it. Apparently it's a thing you can get? idk but it resolved as I got older.
That being said, I'm very very hypersensitive to stimuli even now at night. I can do 10am to 6am, work, study, train, play rugby or whatever, but if I get stimulated with something late at night, I can easily stay up until 5am. Here's my ways of combating it.
>no caffeine in the PM at all
>finish all consumption of food >4 hours before bed
>no drinks <2 hours before bed
>create bedtime ritual of the same tasks in the same order
>do any last minute phone stuff I.e. setting alarms before you even get in the bedroom
>use an eyemask
>get into bed BEFORE you want to actually go to sleep
the last one is a big one for active people who want to maximise sleep. we look at how long we will get to sleep from a certain time as if we instaneously fall asleep but that's not usually the case. I always get into bed 30 minutes or more before I should be falling asleep so I have both a buffer to fall asleep, and a buffer to wake up in case falling asleep takes too long or I need more sleep.
Ritual is big too. I always brush my teeth, floss, shower (finishing with big blast of hot water), get into boxers, set phone outside of bedroom, phone down in room, eye mask on and sleep.
hope this rambling wall of text helps brah
There's lots of sleep hygiene tips here which you should use.
Ultimately everyone is different though and what works for others won't for you.
I've had some bad insomnia patches and this works for me:
If you use sleeping pills or melatonin, use them for 2-3 days max then take a break. THey should be used to reset your sleep patterns, not to actually sleep or you will become dependent.
People say to get up and read a book if you can't sleep. I actually think this is terrible as your sleep patterns become used to it. Plus copping all the light at 3am. I'd rather stay in bed in the dark and listen to a boring podcast then try again.
ULTIMATELY - if you can't sleep, the best way is to just embrace. That's just the way you are. DOn't stress about it, just get used to being tired. Ironically after a while, you won't care that you have insomnia and will actually sleep better!
Wake up at 4 am run 5 miles, then do push-ups and pull-ups till u physically cant do any.
After ur done with work or whatever, do a 12 mile ruck.
Take a break then lift weights for an hour.
If you’re not knocked out after a day of that then get help
alcohol
Go to bed at the same time every day, get out of bed at the same time every day.
That's all there is to it.
You need a specialist, not a GP
get sunlight in the morning
Unironically brain MRI. I didn't know why I couldn't sleep before I learned there was an almost 2x1.5cm cyst in my pineal gland (the one which controls your day/night cycle and produces melatonin). Got it to lose half of its size with 500mg a day l-glutation and healthy eating (no refined sugar, no sneed oils). Sleep is still not perfect and I supplement 2-3g of melatonin but I haven't had real trouble falling asleep or getting at least 7 hours for a while now.
This can be learned.
>https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/health/fall-asleep-fast/
take the sleeping mask pill