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Ancient humans hunted animals by chasing them to exhaustion. We're literally built for endurance.
fake news
Lol. Literal fake news. We at best powerwalked with an intermittent jog. Endurance hunting is like a full day activity. Literally walking down prey not jogging after it.
>THEY DIDNT PERSISTENT HUNT
>WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DID IS UHH PERSISTENCE HUNT (walk jog).
You are so fricking brain dead.
>but we didnt jog constantly
so what, its still chasing down prey to exhaustion regardless. saying it only worked in africa means it worked for 70% of human history, more if you count non Sapien species
No one said it just works in Africa, my guess is it only works in almost entirely flat places with no terrain at all, with adequate gazelle/deer/antelope populations, intense heat, and almost no major vegetation or brush.
However the only actually documented cases were in that one tribe in Africa. So until someone kills a pronghorn or antelope or something in some other case we can only say it works in that one location.
You both don't understand what you're talking about.
Persistence hunting only works in extreme temperatures like those in Africa and Australia. That's why you find actual persistence hunters in these regions. Go further north where it's colder and you won't find any persistence hunters because it's too cold.
When it's cold animals won't suffer from heat exhaustion. Just about any quadruped can beat us on foot at -5 Celsius because bipedalism is inefficient and slow. Endurance hunting works because most animals lack the ability to sweat and can't cool down without laying down in some shade. Thermoregulation is not an issue for them when it's fricking snowing.
The only somewhat confirmed case of it is in one place in Africa as far as I am aware.
There is a guy who attempts it in deserts in the American southwest and has yet to be successful, unless that has changed recently.
What the frick are you talking about? There are people who beat horses in a race on a warm European day. Horses are way faster and have better endurance than the deer in Africa.
We are slower than quadrupeds and expand more energy to cover the same distance however we lose body heat faster than they do because we sweat. Heat exhaustion isn't as big of a deal for us as it is for most animals. Unless the animal jumps into a cold river or we don't keep up the pace and it's allowed to rest in some shade we'll eventually cause it to overheat and stop.
I've not seen very much about people vs horses, but as far as actual persistence hunting goes other than that one special place in Africa, all who have attempted exhaustion hunting have failed. That's simply a reality unless someone has succeeded in the last few months I didn't hear about. It is simply the case that only in very isolated situations does exhaustion hunting actually work. I realize how fundamental this lore is to the "distance running community" but it just isn't there wheb you look into. Maybe it is technically possible in some particular situations- but it is not a viable or tenable form of hunting.
There's archeological evidence in northern Mexico and Siberia as well, but it's not currently used because we maxed out a different part of the skill tree.
If we evolved for anything, it's long distance travel on flat ground and throwing things accurately. Turns out the calculus needed for tossing stones combines with pattern recognition to form... consciousness?
It's fine if you hate running but this cope is unbecoming. I hate deadlift and would rather squat then run. Both of us will make it bro
Capcha: WH8KH
Sorry for TLDR. It has been attempted in Mexico and no one ever succeeded. It has been attempted in American deserts and no one has succeeded.
In fact the only recorded occurrence of persistence hunting is in one very isolated circumstance in Africa. Examples of it in the modern world basically don't exist otherwise.
It has nothing to do with hating runners (I don't) however I do hate this tendency to create meme-lore based on pseudo science for everyone's moronic lifestyle. Some runners just enjoy running but it is unfortunately a hobby that has become very "lifestyle" oriented and that is the reason alot of people do hate long distance runners.
Anyways all the people who attempt it say the same thing- the animal sprints away far faster than a human can run, gets tired, lays down and gets a breather, then hops up and sprints away again OR the animal goes over a hill or ridgeline and the runner loses visual and has to sort of briefly track the animal during which time the animal has usually rested. The problem isn't heat it is terrain. Why don't you just fricking read about the people who have actually tried it, or better yet, try it yourself and prove me wrong.
If you succeeded you'd be one of the only people to have achieved it and would likely gain 15mins of notoriety for this reason. If it was a viable form of hunting it would not be this difficult. While I think humans do have some physical characteristics making them moderate distance runners in the animal kingdom, I think the case could be made that it is more likely their niche as predators was probably as a stalker and as group oriented strategic short distance herders. Not coursers like wolves who chase to exhaustion but the tracking and intelligence skills would allow humans to chase into bottlenecks and other groups in wait. That or outright staking and dry gulching animals from cover. That is the human hunting niche. Not running for 20 miles to maybe get one antelope.
There's cases all the way up to 2018 of people successfully persistence hunting.
In 2013 a man managed to run down a cheetah to exhaustion and capture it after it killed his goats.
modern controlled settings don't count
>modern controlled settings don't count
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-24953910
https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/37916-brave-kenyans-who-chased-and-captured-2-cheetahs
all tribes in modern times are controlled
Frick off
>this example doesn't count because I don't like it
A cheetah is not a fricking gazelle or antelope. Cheetahs are in fact known for their lack of endurance.
Find me a modern example of humans reliably hunting using this method outside of the one isolated tribe in Africa.
There are whole clubs of people who attempt it and record theor efforts. None have succeeded.
>random farmers just decide to catch an animal one day by persistence hunting
>noooo it doesn't count!!!
What's your problem? They just ran after it for like 6 miles and then it was too tired to run away and they tied it with ropes. I think they did this twice actually.
>food secured prior
>food secured during
>food secured after
all these are prerequisites for a larping "persistence hunting"
no persistence hunting happened prior to those prerequisites
So it's only persistence hunting if you've been starving for 2 weeks?
it's the practical application of it that makes it a larp
the energy expended wouldn't even be worth it
>the energy expanded wouldn't be worth it because I said so
Yes it would be. It only takes 1 man to catch an animal but you can feed several others with the body.
>There are people who beat horses in a race on a warm European day.
In the 40 year history of the man vs horse race 2 people have managed to beat the horses.
Yes but you have to remember they did so in European weather which is significantly colder than African weather and even the people who failed to beat the horses weren't far behind.
whenever it comes to muh humans arguments it's always fatties and subhumans living on the advancements of few individuals as if they are part of it
so youre saying it does exist. but only in specific instances
>because bipedalism is inefficient
No it's not. You're right about it being slow, but it's very efficient. The amount of energy we expend compared to quadrupeds when running is very small.
The average wolf, horse, camel, etc. are significantly better runners than humans. The only other long distance runner biped is the ostrich etc. I guess. Humans seem to be decent distance runners out of the animal kingdom I guess though
Wolves especially have way better endurance than us in cold weather. Without the risk of overheating they will run faster than us and for longer periods of time, and this is the case for most quadruped animals. Without Africa's extreme heat we can't practice persistence hunting because the animal won't overheat when forced to run long distance. We rely on extreme temperatures to chase down animals as we can cool ourselves down while moving through sweating which is probably very difficult for the IST brainlets to understand.
As far as modern humans are concerned they can't exhaust game animals even in some of the hottest locales. It takes almost completely flat terrain, with no stands of trees. There are very isolated locals where this can be done. You can take 100+ degree temps and have a worldclass runner chase a deer or antelope and if they so much as go over a slight ridge you are going to have to track them and they will get a rest and you are back to square one. These places get as hot as Africa where this has been tried. The issue isn't just temperature it is terrain.
This is not me saying this- I'm paraphrasing the experience of one of the more well documented runners to attempt this. Let's say ancient man was more fit than a high level modern runner, this would still not solve the tracking issue.
No they are not. Wolves literally of starvation and are cannibalized by their pack because they run out of energy.
Bipedalism + sweating is why humans have the endurance edge. Its why we were able to afford the calories required to develop a complex brain/nervous system.
>bipedalism + sweating
One is inefficient without the other and the other doesn't work in cold weather. Wow, you sure showed him. You actually think you stand a chance against a wolf at -10? You're way slower and you expand more calories to cover the same distance.
Your right. Northern Neanderthals died out because they couldn't cope in the cold. Meanwhile Homosapiens stayed in the med, developed tools and then moved to the north. By this point persistence hunting didnt matter but its not like we we lost our endurance.
the fantasy on this one
Explain why its so easy to gain muscle/strength in humans and at the same time its so easy for us to lose muscle and strength with only minor adjustments in diet.
Meanwhile you can eat literal garbage and as long as you dont get fat, you can still run. Senior citizens run in local city marathons, yet you dont see many of them in the gym putting up weight. The average marathon time for men and women only differs by 20 minutes.
>explain this thing i made up
>also explain this social event to this often times lone event
>also a race differing by 20 minutes is literally not a big deal, it's not like i know anything about racing
you are full blown moronic
I'd also like to hear an explanation for sweating. If we didn't evolve to run long distance in extreme temperatures then why the frick do we sweat so much? If we just evolved to walk around then we wouldn't need to sweat so fricking much.
>explain sweating because sweating = evolved to run
>doing dnp causes sweating, that means dnp = running
>taking thyroid hormones increases body temperature which can lead to sweating, therefore thyroid hormones = running
So why did we evolve sweating if not for chasing prey? How come most animals can't sweat like us?
it's just temperature control homosexual, stop adding your own troony fantasies to it, not to mention there are plenty of animals who sweat
>it's just temperature control
>temperature control for what?
>uuhhhh... uhhh... walking
Yeah, fatty, you definitely need temperature control for walking. I just wanna remind you that even furred animals don't need temperature control so why would we need temperature control if not for running? We don't even have fur so temperature isn't an issue unless you're running.
>keeps adding his moronic fantasies
take meds
You didn't answer any questions. Why do we need to sweat so much if not for running? Do you really think we need temperature control for anything else other than running? Even animals with fur don't need to sweat to survive the African heat.
The only African animal that I can think of that sweats is the hippo.
>listen to my schizophrenic rambles
already told you to take meds morons, you got answers to the least of your fantastic moronations
You got thoroughly btfo'd now forever live in shame knowing that you have a double digit IQ
yeah keep thinking you are a marathon runner fatty every time u sweat doing nothing
Says the fatty who thinks having no fur and sweating is a necessary adaptation for walking.
You just can't put two and two together which means you have an extremely low IQ. It seems your body has started storing all that lard in your fricking brain.
>goes back to moronic ramble
meds
Apparently that's exactly right if you look at the skeletons of Neanderthals. They don't have any of the physical adjustments you'd get from throwing spears or archery.
Ancient humans usually had two different shoulders because you'd only really throw with your dominant arm and this would leave your other arm undeveloped so either Neanderthals didn't have the ability to throw or they threw with both arms equally.
>You actually think you stand a chance against a wolf at -10?
Yes, I just get my tribe to pull out pointy sticks and corner the moronic pussy dog
>wolf just runs away and you never see it again
The point is that our endurance is very shit and we completely rely on extreme heat. All we have in terms of catching prey is projectiles and thermoregulation and one of those things goes out the window when it's snowing.
Extreme heat isn't even enough. You need extreme heat PLUS virtually not terrain or brush.
Walking on 2 legs is btw energy saving (at low speeds)
If you're talking about the inverted pendulum model walking then that's not unique to humans and quadrupeds take advantage of this too at low speeds except their low speed is much faster than ours.
Humans didn't evolve in cold regions. We were already fully developed by the time we were inhabiting the cold regions.
COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE
>fully developed
humans weren’t even conscious until 3000 years ago, so no
Not to mention language was rudimentary at best until 10000BC
Holy frick, you are moronic.
People were fully modern and equipped with the same brains we have like 300,000 years ago
>humans weren’t even conscious until 3000 years ago,
People stopped being nomadic 3500 years ago and started settling in Mesopotamia.
Wrong. They discovered cities in Turkey from 7000 BC which means they settled way earlier. The Mesopotamians invented writing 3500 BC. 1500 BC existed already a handful of sovereign states
interdasting
Sauce plox
Graham Hanwiener is probably over there talking about the stone circle at Goblekli Tepi. And yes they do say it is extremely old, in fact I thought it was older than 7k.
I find it hard to believe that human civilization does not predate the end of the ice age tbqh.
Incredible how complete idiots just speak with so much confidence here
>Humans didn't evolve in cold regions.
Explain blue eyes after childhood.
Explain Blond hair after childhood.
All Neoteny traits which mostly was only widespread in the colder regions.
Persistence hunters can be found in Africa and Australia because they're literally too fricking dumb to come up with a more effective way of hunting game.
Europeans developed traps, more accurate ranged weapons, pack hunting tactics etc... Thousands of years ago while some dumb African tribal fricks still burn shedloads of calories chasing wounded gazelles all day long.
European stock has evolved to hunt in short, tactical bursts. Hard, intense sprints and activity followed by relatively relaxed walking and light jogging ultimately for a short period of time. Running down prey is such a daft, energy slack way to get your calories when you can have the hunt over and done with in 20 minutes and spend the rest of the day eating and fricking.
This.
>he actually believes this
Only Black folk do that shit white boys go straight for the kill
he's right
we power walked them to death, maybe ran a little at the start to scare them, then jogged a little. Then with our divine far seeing sight walked most of the way.
You'd have to be on an exceptionally flat landscape with almost no real vegetation to make such a thing work. And you have to keep a decent pace or else they will just lay down and get a rest while you are catching up.
We held walking sticks in our hands and swayed our hips from side to side while chasing them in jogging suits.
The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are as brave as a lion. Cardio is sin.
brought to by the same book that tells the israelites it's okay to own you
What books have you been reading..?
but, lions chase things for long distance. Also post blood pressure
You’ve gotta be kidding me. You could have killed boogie
if you practice for it hell yeah. but it requires actual effort compared to lifting
Why do you think we sweat?
Why do you think heat management is only necessary for withering marathon skellies?
what a waste
yes they evolved to eat goyslop, watch tiktok 24 hrs a day and be slave to the god's chosen people
i guess youre right
Humans are literally one of the only animals that sweat through the entire body to keep cool while moving for a long time (eg in a long distance run). Most other mammals start panting after a minute of chasing
cope, it's just a difference in effort, not because muh sweat you gay
and when u say "humans" you mean certain individuals
moron, animals get heat exhaustion quicker and more easily since they don't sweat as well as humans do
complete nonsense, on several accounts
> animals get heat exhaustion quicker
wrong, in any case you compare average animal vs human, the human gets exhausted quicker
> since they don't sweat
wrong again, even if they do get exhausted it's not because of not sweating but rather the efforts, if a human ran at equivalent effort the ground covered would be hundred meters at best
pic related doesn't sweat no matter how much you wish this to be true
They can't even pant. If you run after an antelope for about 10 miles it'll be unable to continue moving. They've been seen stopping after only 2 miles which is nothing for a human.
you will never run it down no matter how much you larp
wrong because the animal themselves under these circumstances are dyel, so it's more like a one day meal and you'd have to run again, not feasible
cattle vs wild have large difference in size for a reason and that's not even counting GH use
complete larp if u bring out the math
>you will never run it down no matter how much you larp
>people run down an animal that's even faster
>NOOOO IT DOESNT COUNT
What's your fricking problem you moron?
>herbivores are dyel
Cringe moron spotted. 220 kg of meat would feed you for a very long time.
You will never be a hunter gatherer
Don't need to be. I've got a rifle.
exactly, because when things get real even a moron like you stops larping
>evolutionary traits are larping
Rip out your eyes right now you fricking larper
>random schizo rambles about some bumfrick larp tribes is evolution
moron moment
You have the body of a persistence hunter. You evolved to persistence hunt. You will never be anything else no matter how many times you wish this to not be true.
>persistence hunting
lmao, troony cope
You have to be 18 to post here.
A wolf has the body of a persistence hunter. A fricking thing that can burst up to 60km/h and hunt for literal days on most landscapes.
A human can barely cover 40-50km over complicated landscape, with the best recorded burst speed twice as low.
Hominid persistence hunting is a literal anthropologist cope, not being able to understand why we evolved the way we did. A simple answer to a complex problem.
Okay now let's see how they deal with the African heat. Who the frick said we evolved these traits in Northern Europe?
>Okay now let's see how they deal with the African heat.
better than you
Cope harder trannoid
keep coping fatty who lives with a conditioner
African dogs do that there. The point is that most herbivores just cover the ground too quickly to be run down. Tracking is incredibly unreliable and usually lends itself to "finding some animal" rather than "finding the one you've ran down". A hunter needs a constant supply of sugar heavy food and water to do this. Even organisms that evolved specifically for it resolve to it only when circumstances are dire (i.e. wolves). There are just too many ifs and buts for it to be a dominant hunting strategy for the most dominant species on Earth.
It wasn't the thing that set us apart, and neither was it the dominant strategy, nor did we evolve specifically for it. Humans ultimate evolutionary ability is versatility. We can resort to persistence hunting, if needs be (for example if we see a wounded or exhausted animal), but we weren't made for it. We cover ground too slowly and burst too poorly, we don't have innate tracking abilities (to the point we resort to using other species for it) and neither are we particularly food efficient.
That cope got created because with limited evidence versatility and it's roots are really hard to explain, and anthropologists (like most humanitarians) tend to grasp for deductive reasoning, because simple general ideas are easy to "verify" (explain) in limited evidence circumstances. Then fricking pop science catches up to them and we get those moronic claims.
African dogs can only run at their top speed for about 2-3 miles and then they're forced to stop. This is nothing for a human so your whole post is just stupid.
yeah but you get gassed on your way to toilet so your post makes zero sense
And a human can run close to the top speed for about 400 meters. What the frick is your point?
>for about 400 meters
Try 44 miles.
At top speed? Only about 400m. At some absolutely abysmal shit speed that is essentially a walk for any proper canid? Sure.
a well trained human with full glycogen stores and rest beforehand* that guy is a moronic troony larper using achievements of few individuals and applies it to everyone
>44 miles top speed
troony cringe troll
Obese morons detected.
Care to explain a difference in speed between 1k and 400m run? Marathon vs 100m?
Did the bot break? kys troony homosexual
You are claiming that a human can run at the top speed for 44 miles. I find the proposition utterly ridiculous. We can run for 44 miles, sort of, but the speed at which we will cover that will be utterly abysmal by any canid standards. In fact it will be abysmal by a healthy hog's standards.
>the speed will be abysmal
No dog can run 44 miles at the speed of a human in African weather. Not even a hyena can do that.
> No dog can run 44 miles at the speed of a human in African weather.
It doesn't need to. It covers ground quickly enough it will finish the job in ten miles tops. That's actually energy sustainable, logical way to persistence hunt. We can't do that at all. We can't track quickly enough, we can't burst quickly enough (any animal worth it's shit will lose us), and we can't track it afterwards reliably.
We also have significantly better ways to hunt available to us to pretty much never need to rely on thin shit (trapping, fishing, scavenging).
>we can't do X but when people do X it doesn't count because of Y
>pulls nonsense from its troony crevices
>starts crying when people call him moronic
it never began for you trangaloid
>posts proof that persistence hunting works
>no it doesn't count because... it just doesn't
Keep crying. He proved you wrong about 100 replies ago.
>makes shit up
>larps as 3rd person
>still a troony
fail yet again, you just can't win can you
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-24953910
https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/37916-brave-kenyans-who-chased-and-captured-2-cheetahs
Just have a nice day already. Your trolling isn't entertaining anymore. He completely btfo'd you about 100 replies ago.
>here's proof
>it's nothing
kek, troony moment
> we can't do X but when people do X it doesn't count because of Y
Never said that. There probably are some tribes that pull this off reliably. There just are significantly more tribes that do other things reliably. It's the beauty of a human as a species, we are incredibly versatile, and every time we don't attempt to specialize we actually advance further than other human populations. To the point where it's exceptionally hard to tell why are we so versatile in the first place.
What you're presenting is a classic deductive pitfall. It's impossible at this point with the evidence we have even to establish cause and effect of this evolutionary adaptation, let alone it's impact on our evolution.
It is certain, however, that there are significantly better adapted species for that type of activity and they don't use it as their main survival methods.
>It is certain, however, that there are significantly better adapted species for that type of activity
Name one. Name one animal that can beat our thermoregulation or can beat us in a long distance race in extremely hot weather. Even animals specialized for endurance running like hyenas aren't even close to being as good as we are.
>Name one animal that can beat our thermoregulation or can beat us in a long distance race in extremely hot weather.
any
We are better at persistence hunting than any animal on this planet. No animal can beat us at long distance because we have superior thermoregulation.
>We are better at persistence hunting than any animal on this planet
wrong
>No animal can beat us at long distance
pretty much any animal can, except smaller ones
>because we have superior thermoregulation.
wrong again
>>We are better at persistence hunting than any animal on this planet
>wrong
>>No animal can beat us at long distance
>pretty much any animal can, except smaller ones
>>because we have superior thermoregulation.
>wrong again
Wrong. You can't name the animal that can beat us because it doesn't exist.
who is "us"? if it's you then answer is easy, literally any
>didn't name the animal
you are the model, then any animal can, do you have problems with language?
Seething so hard that you have to insult because you can't make an argument anymore.
Utterly btfo'd, looks like you're the troony here.
So you are a subhuman.
>admits to not being human
kek, troony moment
African wild dogs and cheetahs. If there was a competition between a wild dog, cheetah, and human to see how many animals they could hunt in a day, it would be embarrassing for us. A wild dog and cheetah actually have the speed to run prey down, which in nature is WAY more effective than human persistence hunting. It doesn't matter that humans can run for 6 hours to kill one gazelle when other animals just stalk, pounce, and kill. In fact most of human history that's what we did. Paleolithic motherfrickers don't really have to nutrition required to be burning 6,000 calories running all day. It's much more efficient to creep up on a watering hole with 10 dudes and gank a buffalo with your spears and rocks. We are persistence hunters, but not in the way you're thinking. We're persistent in that we can sit somewhere for 15 hours waiting for the perfect time to kill, not being a top marathon runner.
> Paleolithic motherfrickers don't really have to nutrition required to be burning 6,000 calories running all day.
Keep in mind that we aren't adapted to hunk on 10 kg of meat at once either. If that was our main method of feeding and we had to survive using it predominantly pre preservation, we would probably have a somewhat different digestive system accounting for very infrequent but larger meals. Instead we have more similarities with a pig, a universal omnivore, that eats very frequently.
Straight up just wrong.
Do you consider our digestive tract that hardly eat more than 2kgs of solid food, and straight up incapacitates you when you eat large meats with solid intervals (a couple of weeks, say), a well adapted system for infrequent, but large meals (like, let's say a whole antelope would be for a large group of hominids would be)?
Why in the frick did we need to eat marrow anyway? We're supposed to be amazing at endurance hunting, best ones there is, yet we barely can eat a third of our prey at once since our digestion doesn't take large meals well, and yet we ate marrow, so much so it is pretty consistent across most finds.
>humans are solitary animals
I'm not surprised a moronic incel like you would think this.
I didn't say that? I in fact discussed in context of a reasonably large group of early hominids (multiple families). Even then, given success rates presented and weight of the prey they barely can consume all that without preservation, leaving no need to consume marrow. Yet they did.
He is trolling you
There are many cave paintings showing groups of humans ganging up and killing an animal you dumb larp Black person.
>that prehistoric ass
hnnnnng
We aren't. Wolf is significantly better at it in it's habitat, simply because it does not require any such adaptation. Spotted dogs are better than us in our own habitat, because they can simply use night to do it and do not require any such adaptations.
The length of the distance is irrelevant to this particular activity, or rather it is suboptimal. We can do it, we just don't do it particularly well in any habitat. It's the beauty of a human, it can do a whole lot of shit in any given habitat, it just doesn't do it quite as well as the thing specialized in it.
Let's see how a wolf with dense fur and no ability to sweat does in the African heat. Who the frick said we evolved our superior endurance in Northern Europe?
> We are better at persistence hunting than any animal on this planet.
You did, you frick. And you conveniently ignored the remark on African dogs.
>African dog
An animal that has to stop after 6 miles is not beating a human.
It stops after 6 miles because it fricking finished the job, or realized that it's a job not worth finishing. Thus spending a tenth of energy a human needs to do the exact same thing.
>spends a bunch of energy
>doesn't catch it's prey because prey is fast
>repeat 20 times until you finally catch one that was sick, old or young
You clearly don't understand how carnivores work. The predators are usually smaller and slower than their prey and they can only catch whatever is too weak to run away.
Humans on the other hand aren't restricted like this, we can catch even healthy prey because of how good we are at running. If anything we end up using less energy as we don't give up and abandon the hunt.
>uses one single burst of energy
>animal lost out of sight
are you gonna turn on your assassins creed eagle eye to le reddistence hunt him?
predator animals have the benefit of also having high burst of energy to not lose pray out of sight, humans don't have that, human peak burst causes full exhaustion
> not lose pray out of sight,
That isn't even the problem for most carnivores, unlike us they can fricking track.
How do you think they caught that cheetah? It's one of the fastest animals and can easily escape your view, and yet it didn't manage to get away.
Why are you homosexuals so invested in whether persistent hunting is a meme or not?
traps, like any farmer
>traps
Nope. They just chased it for 6 miles on foot and then it was too tired to escape. They did this twice and it worked both times.
post footage
Cheetah has notoriously poor endurance, cheetah is not a prey animal with prey instincts. Cheetah probably was in a rare place with no terrain or visual obstructions.
> You clearly don't understand how carnivores work.
You clearly don't understand that spotted dogs have higher success rates than humans (80 vs about 60).
Why does it stop at 6 miles if it beat the human at like 100 meters already, is it flexing?
it will do better than you
Already explained
I have named one the entire family that is better at this than we are. Particular adaptations (like thermoregulation) are irrelevant, what's relevant is who's better at this activity (persistence hunting), and that is not we.
>gets btfo
>starts seething
trolls are not supposed to seethe, try harder next time homosexual
You got btfo'd about 100 replies before this. Your eternal seething has been keeping this thread alive somehow.
You have yet to be correct once, you are just too much of a tard to even make logical sense
You didn't even refute anything he said. You just said he's wrong and didn't explain how.
I think you got btfo'd 100 replies ago.
>larping in 3rd person
reaching levels of troony desperation, rope is your only option
>you're a troony because I was wrong
Whatever, troony. Keep replying hoping that you'll somehow win an argument you lost 100 replies ago.
finally you admit to being a troony
>"k-keep replying, even tho that's what i am doing"
troony desperation
> A hunter needs a constant supply of sugar heavy food
Bullshit, name one predator that gets his energy from sugar. And how were hunter gatherer supposed to get sugar heavy food?
fruits
A wolf can track prey much better than a human. A wolf can course prey over large swaths of varied terrain.
A human cannot do this. As purely sight hunters, humans would not be able to course prey unless on a wide flat unvaried landscape with no breaks in line of sight. If humans were persistence hunters we would have much better noses.
Stfu moron. Just stop posting
>seethes at 9 hour long post
>Certain individuals
What are you on about? Anyone can not do it not just those who have trained on it just get off your ass
No hobbyist or even high level runner has actually killed an antelope, deer, gazelle using this method. There is the isolated tribe in Africa with very particular circumstances from a terrain perspective.
But if you show me documented cases of regular runners attempting this and succeeding, I will eat my words.
you dont sweat?
Humans are literally one of the only animals that sweat through the entire body to keep cool while working their asses off (eg in a weighted pull-up ohp superset followed by curls and incline dumbell press to failure). Most other mammals don't even lift.
>Most other mammals start panting after a minute of chasing
So do humans who aren't conditioned.
Sexts prove humans never evolved, just renamed themselves.
wasted on the moron
Humans arent real
Nice
We have evolved to run the longest distance
Digits confirm what we all already knew, even though some grit their teeth and try to tell themselves we're distance runners. If they tell themselves hard enough it'll be true, it has to be, hasn't it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting
https://www.healthguidance.org/entry/17376/1/how-do-the-tarahumara-tribe-run-for-hundreds-of-miles-a-day.html
>mobile
Kys phonegay
Nice exas you wasted on an objectively wrong statement
Can't believe you all fell for this bait. This board is moronic.
Humans aren’t evolved
I can't really say if humans are natural "long distance" runners, but I will say that the whole exhaustion hunting thing is moronic.
There is no proof at all that this form of hunting is viable. There was one weak account in Africa where conditions were perfect but all the people who have tried to recreate it have failed. High level runners putting alot of thought into it on numerous attempts always fail. It doesn't even make sense from a calorie perspective. It is a click bait tier meme from the distance runner crowd that exhaustion hunting is a thing.
There's literally tribes in Africa that still do it
some human groups have adapted to longer distance and others shorter
Waste of digits
That is LITERALLY what we evolved for. We evolved to out run animals in the wild when hunting for food. The Gazelle could run away but man could track him and keep running after the gazelle until the gazelle was out of energy and man could get his dinner
I bet you can't even run a mile, fatso
Notice the difference between the two?
Fricker on the left is heel striking like a tard and obliterating his knees.
It's interesting, the Mexican is an ultra long distance runner yet his legs are very developed as opposed to our idea of a long distance runner being incredibly scrawny. I wonder how much it has to do with heel striking versus actually using your God given foot.
Whenever I tell people that they have small calves because they're heel striking they say it's all genetics and refuse to adjust their form.
Ultra long distance runners have an increased chance of getting recognition because so few people run in those events. If it were as competitive as any distance event you'd find in the Olympics, someone with big inefficient legs like that would never have success.
It's scott Jurek on the left, one of the greatest ultramarathoners. God this board is full of tards
>irrelevant heel striking tard that needed 6 knee surgeries
homosexual.
Is this some kind of weird appeal to authority?
>he's an accomplished runner so its ok that he's running in an extremely suboptimal way, completely neglecting 80% of his foot and essentially running like hes on wooden peg legs, depending entirely on the 2 inch cushion that is the heel of his shoe to absorb the impact of heel striking instead of the spring that is your foot.
Your fricking mentally ill.
thanks for confirming what we already know
this is why i only do sprints until i faint from exhaustion.
Anon can be right
Caveman never existed
Yes we do.
Explain
Adam and Eve was created by god in one day. They names the animals in the next day. Earth isn't billion of years old. Dinosaurs aren't real.
Unironically kill your self please. Religion is what happens when you let schizophrenics get popular and start preaching.
atheism is religion
*lack of religion. homosexual.
Atheism is just a realistic view of the world without the schizophrenic lense.
There’s Literally zero reason for a rational person to believe that there’s any sort of sky god or deity.
atheism is judaism for goys
Nonsensical cope.
>muh big bang
Bazinga amirite
t. Atheist dogfricker
>realistic view of the world
>matter created out of nothing
>'brute facts' so no need to think about difficult topics
brainlet
>Matter can fricking disappear out of the universe through a blackhole
>But it coming into the universe requires divine intervention from my imaginary best friend that is all powerful and has all of the exact same opinions as me and knows everything and is responsible for everything including all evil despite being all good
Not a hard topic you are just a schizophrenic moron no one wants to argue with
how come were so damn good at long distance running. A year of persistent training can have you running literally ALL day non stop.
witnessed
We evolved to lightly jog and power walk over long distances. Our prey sprints and then they get tired. meanwhile we’ve been slowly gaining ground towards them.
Literally just look at the hadza and khoisan. They literally do this. They don’t sprint, they literally just walk for hours and hours.
not doing intense cardio is just the next step in evolution instead building muscle is and so is walking
we can't evolve anymore. We're too intermixed and in too large of groups with too high of a % of the population reaching sexual maturity and mating. Even the rich that take all these efforts to gate them and their offspring away form the oogabooga working class can't escape it because not enough of them OD before having kids to have anything resembling an evolutionary stressor.
>double sextuplets
An offensive and disgusting waste of repeating numerical values.
STIIIICKY
*mogs you severely*
And this was just an easy post-work run at a comfortable pace to kick off the work week.
>easy run
>161 HR
Lol
My heart rate is always high when running and I’ve been running for years. Doctor said I just have a smaller heart and if I’m not uncomfortable it’s not a big deal.
Ahh fair, I have a friend who is similar but more extreme. Always 180+ and a Max HR of 220 it's nuts.
Lol this is not true
As someone who has worked to a 15:20 5km I pity those who don't do cardio. I can't put into words how much it improves your life
holy shit checked
I'm 25 and I've been doing 20 minute jogs for about 10 years now on and off. My knees are now very crackly no matter what way I move them and this scares me. They don't hurt and I can squat fine but the sounds they make is awful. I do heel strike and am unable to run any other way. Should I just stop jogging because it's hurting me more than benefitting? Also my running can take place either on grass or the road but it's usually the road.
Cracking is just the expelling of gas from a joint mate. How is it hurting you if there is no pain or lose of movement
>should I stop heel striking?
No, continue slamming your heels against the ground because the evidence is clearly inconclusive.
i used to toe strike and ran 45 minutes easy. Switched to one of those midfoot efficiency strides and it absolute fricked up my shit even with as low as 20 minutes every other day. I really just should have ran the way I was most comfortable with.
Witnessed
And no, humans evolved to suck and frick and hunt Black folk and israelites
nice but who got
We literally are
Bipedalism's only benefit is the ability to travel over long distances in an extremely energy efficient way
So how is moving 100 kg with 2 legs more efficient than moving 100 kg with 4 legs?
We literally aren't. We've evolved to walk long distances and run short distances. If we evolved to run long distances it wouldn't frick up our every joint to the point of needing invasive surgeries and man made spare parts.
poor argument we didn't really select for longevity until we were no longer nomadic and we didn't really run on concrete or hard packed earth. Our natural life expectancy of being around 35-50 pretty much synchs up with all the other great apes. If anything our knee wear is a product of us walking more upright and not supporting ourselves with our knuckles if you want to split hairs about it.
> we didn't really run on concrete or hard packed earth
We ran on worse terrain back when we were still called homosexual erectus. And we were always shit at it. It's just that back then a rolled ankle might mean the death of you.
>homosexual erectus
not a linear ancestor unless you're literally an aboriginal Australian.
It might if we weren't highly social animals that lived in groups. I'm a little more optimistic that we didn't die over a sprain but yeah if we were isolated absolute death sentence if we couldn't also climb.
> I'm a little more optimistic that we didn't die over a sprain
I am certain we didn't do so on a regular basis, otherwise we wouldn't have survived this long. But I am pretty sure it happened on quite a few occasions. And a thing like that doesn't happen to something like an adult pig or an adult goat.
It's just like with anything, we can do it if needs be, but we are quite shite at it. The only thing we excel at is versatility, and we excel at it so much we quite literally transcend evolution.
also forgot to mention we were like 110-130 lbs on average (which synchs up with the average weight for marathon runners) so it was a lot less load baring stress over time.
If you were on your feet all your life and ran through puberty to adulthood and beyond albeit not maybe marathon distances you'd have tendon adaptation that no modern man even the most oogabooga tribe could match. So you wouldn't die from that either in any statistically relevant number compared to the myriad of other threats that. People try to much to think about what it would be like from the standpoint of throwing a modern person into the shoes of ancient people rather than try to entertain what a person who spent all their life in that era would be like.
> we were like 110-130 lbs on average
How do you even measure average of a couple of fossils? How in the hell do you know? There is like one surviving fossil of homosexual ergaster, for example. That one is tall and reasonably light (although heavier than any hominid before him), but to assume they were all like him is jut completely wild.
because we've basically tried every height/weight intercept and our getting taller actually didn't coincide with a lot of weight increase. We can see that we lanked out and contracted across most of our existence. Unless you just depart what smarter people have speculated and just go straight to UFOs and dinosaurs didn't have proto-feathers let just assume most of paleoanthropology was done in good faith.
> just depart what smarter people have speculated
They did just that, they speculated.
> our getting taller actually didn't coincide with a lot of weight increase
It actually did, or rather we increased in weight significantly when we became bipedal. We have significant variance in current human population, Twa to Tutsi with pretty much a foot of average difference in essentially the same habitat. To assume any kind of an average based upon a single surviving skeleton is a ridiculous proposition only fit for pop science.
I was talking more about the pleistocene change log rather than the pliocene like homohabilis onwards
> homohabilis onwards
We kind of steadily gained weight onwards from there, some more than others (Neanderthals are assumed to be heftier than Sapiens) but a Heidelbergensis is generally assumed, at least by skeletal features , to be more robustly built than ergaster.
All of those are just assumptions. I personally blame British cuisine, but it's neither here or there.
You literally can't explain any of the human adaptations if you think this. Why the frick don't we have fur and why the frick do we sweat if all we do is walk and run short distance? All our adaptations are clearly designed for long distance running.
Modern shoes + heel striking is what causes joint issues.
> You literally can't explain any of the human adaptations if you think this.
Because it is not a part of the explaination. Chimps do have eccrine glands across the body and use it to regulate body temperature, just not quite as much as we do. Adaptation occured earlier, and you can't say when because it doesn't fossilize.
Okay? Those aren't even relevant answers so try again.
Why do you think we need the thermoregulation we have for walking and short distance running? Lack of fur and sweating are clearly adaptations for long distance running.
>Why do you think we need the thermoregulation we have
So we don't overheat and die when we squat 405 for 20 reps.
> we have for walking and short distance running
It's for neither. It just is. We just evolved in a different climate, where thinner hair (with a much thicker one on the head) and even more sweat increased survivability. There is no nessecery quasality between better thermoregulation and long distance running. It helps to either walk, run short distance or run long distance. It gust helps in that climate in general.
Why did we get it then? It's impossible to say, we had sweat all over our body way before we even migrated north, most old world apes have sweat glands all over the body, why we in particullar evolved about ten times more of them is impossible to say without making a very broad assumption.
so you are saying you evolved to be an obese sweaty incel?
Why aren’t monkeys evolving into people you mental midget
you being fat and sweating doesn't mean you are a long distance runner, that was established already
Try walking ten kilometers in a 40 degrees celsius and tell me again how you're not sweating
The only other distance animal that sweats is a fuvking horse you complete idiot.
Maybe we sweat because other fuvking monkeys and apes sweat kek. Did you think about this? Are apes distance hunters too kek? Why don't other distance hunters sweat. Why do you keep trying to hang your hat on this?
ive ran over 100km every week for past 10 years and never been injured. You are just overweight brother
Which is worse when it comes to evolution - IST or IST?
Because both are fricking insufferable
anything to do with africa as far as evolution goes is larp
>200 posts of cope from fatties who are too weak and afraid to roon
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Based sexts of truth.
Anthropologists have known this for a long time, however at one point a guy wrote a paper that said “instead of just walking long distances they probably used a combination of walking with running” and media picked it up and falsely spread the idea that we evolved to run.
We are made to jog or walk long distances, we’re talking paces of like 5-8kmh.
Running, as in full blown running fast for long ass distances isn’t something humans are made to do.
As cavemen we would wound an animal with traps or spears and jog after it for hours until it dies of exhaustion. We didnt fricking RUN at 15kmh for 3 hours
then how come every step man has made has been towards least movement
We weren't made to jog. Walking is for long distances and running is for short distances. Jogging is not a calorie efficient way of moving long distances and it's unnecessarily taxing on the body.
>no other animal stalks prey down to exhaustion
>every other apex predator uses a combination of ambush, sheer strength and incapacitating abilities such as poison to kill their prey
>somehow humans do practice this incredibly inefficient unreliable hunting technique
persistence hunting Black folk are pathetic
funny thing is that even predators know to stop chasing when the effort isn't worth it anymore
persistence hunting is some absolute cringe nerd larp
https://www.outdoorlife.com/story/hunting/ultra-runner-persistence-hunting-pronghorn-wyoming-with-recurve-bow/
It is basically (not quite totally) impossible.
Checked
Tracking prey
Walking long distance
Using tools
Anything else is useless
Track prey, familiarize yourself with game trails, water sources, calls, animal behavior. Dry gulch from tree/cover or herd animal into bottlenecks with other hunters waiting. This is the way mankind hunted I'm sure of it.Moderate distance running would be useful and consistent with such a strategy. This makes more sense than persistence hunting considering our slow speeds, lack of scent tracking abilities, caloric expenditure etc. We are moderate runners anyway you look at it.
I frown on stalking because I think in any area with considerable brush it is impossible, but this past year I was turkey hunting with trad archery gear one evening and on my way back in, I see a group of deer down this winding firebreak and decide what the he'll let's see how close I can get. So I positioned myself behind a big cedar that jutted out into the firebreak and slowly crept in. I probably got within 20 yards of them. This experience sort of changed my opinion on the viability of stalking but it was mostly just luck. Persistence hunting though I think is actually a pipe dream. Stalking is at least realistically viable as a hunting method.
what the frick is this thread
i dare every christcuck to watch this: https://youtu.be/826HMLoiE_o
sexts confirm truth
Holy shit
>The persistence hunt is still practiced by hunter-gatherers in the central Kalahari Desert in Southern Africa. The hunters run down an antelope, such as a kudu, in the midday heat, for up to five hours and a distance of up to 35 km (22 mi) Wikipedia
So 22 mile persistent hunts in 5 hours? 4 mph is just a brisk walking pace. Joggers BTFO
Inagine getting a sext and wasting it with bait
All evidence says otherwise.
Humans hold the record for longest distance in a day.
Literally the opposite. Wasn't one of the tactics hunters used chasing the prey until it collapsed out of exhaustion?
Technically possible but basically a meme.
just because you idiots cant do it doesnt mean older humans couldnt, we are in general weaker and more pampered than they were, stopping out of choice because we have no fear of starvation
The issue is not human conditioning it is tracking and the fact that there are better ways to hunt. I mean you'd almost have to be moronic to do it that way imho
Humans were evolved to walk long distances
True, the idea humans, the highly intelligent social tool users, evolved to mindlessly run after prey all day spending thousands of calories on a potential failed hunt instead of just sitting in a bush with a bow or spear and leading herds into ambushes is moronic.
Maybe the shitty moronic ones did, and the ones smart enough to ambush prey and make intelligent use of of weapons moved on to agriculture and pastoralism.