I am already a norwood 3, and have started using 5% minoxidil, microneedling and ketocenazole shampoo. should i even bother trying finasteride if these cant grow my hair back? from what i've been reading fin mostly helps maintaining hair and will only regrow small amounts of hair, so why would i use fin if im stuck at norwood 3? is minoxidil even going to do anything for the temples?
>should i even bother trying finasteride if these cant grow my hair back? from what i've been reading fin mostly helps maintaining hair
And? do you wanna be Norwood 4?
once it's past norwood 2 stage, it doesnt really matter how much fruther it progresses, i cant have a nice hairstyle and have to keep my hair buzzed
Bald top and ponytail is alpha as frick
Everything in life is about confidence. The two most successful pickup artists I’ve known where balding badly. Those two got me laid as a wingman so many times I can’t count.
You think norwood 2+ is just as bad as having a total slap head? lol besides you can buy time for a transplant if you want but not if you've lost too much ground.
How old are you?
>Is minoxidil even going to do anything for the temples?
There's no reason it wouldn't.
im 23, been losing my hair since 16 and the family doctor told me i was too young to start medication at that age
>23
I'd trial finasteride then.
i already bought 5mg finasteride, but now im having second thoughts about using it, should i try 1.25mg every other day or 0.25mg everyday?
either do topical or microdose 0.1mg ed
you then need to count how much hair you are still losing and if you have side effect
use at least 6months
if no side effect and good result obviously let it be
if no good result up the dose until you get sides or good result
If sideeffects try topical
Crush up two 1mg finasteride pills in your minoxidil bottle. The dropper is 1ml. That will give you a nice low topical dosage that will only block dht where you put it. Its also cheaper doing it that way.
Topical finasteride seems like the way to go paired with microneedling and scalp massage
Is that even available yet to get?
yes. It's available in a spray. Saw it on hims or one of those sites. I'm like norwood 12.5 and looked into it.
From my research its too high of a dosage. Its better and cheaper to make your own with fin pills. You can just smash them in a bag and put them in your minoxidil bottle. If you dont trust me use a dosage calculator to figure out the % in a single milliliters when you put 2 mg into a 60ml bottle.
Don’t fight it, make peace with it. You will drive yourself crazy trying to hang on.
How often are you using ketocenazole?
2 - 3 times per week, i leave it on for around 10 minutes, it really cleans up my scalp, infact i would recommend using it even if you are not losing your hair
Cool. What brand or do you think it even matters?
Not him but I use Nizoral. It's really harsh on the hair so make sure you use a good conditioner after.
1. Get a FUE transplant to restore hairline, if you started at Norwood 1, maybe even 2, you could have been salvaged but you waited too long. Afterwards proceed with the following
2. Minoxidil, it works on every part of your skin that has hair follicles, the bullshit about it not working on temples etc is FDA nonsense, pay it no mind
3. 1-1.25mg finasteride per day for the rest of your life, despite the immense online fear mongering, the benefits are immense and extend far beyond hair loss, most cases of sides are due to nocebo. If you get the impression that it doesn't work after 6-8 months you can try dutasteride but fin should be alright. Don't use more than 1.25mg.
4. Microneedling etc is a nice bonus to the stack but not necessary, if you feel like doing that shit it will give you some extra progress down the line
Ignore every other comments by pathetic dyels who failed to restore their hairline and do what needs to be done. Godspeed, anon.
>the benefits of nuking my most potent androgen are immense
>Doesn't know which isoenzymes fin blocks
Might as well not remove your wisdom teeth while you're at it
>which isoenzymes fin blocks
Stop using terminology you aren't familiar with, you will inevitably sound moronic.. Fin blocks 5-alpha reductase - do you know what an isozyme is? It would something that catalyzes that same reaction; this would be anything converting testosterone into DHT, which I'm saying is something you do NOT want systemically because nuking your DHT is not a desirable effect.
>uhhh stop using terminology you aren't familiar with, I don't like being wrong, also lowering a hormone that's only useful for transitioning from a teenager into an adult (with a drug that leaves the neurosteroid counterpart intact) and has a ton of useful functions such as enlarging your prostate is uhhh bad for you
Stfu moron, go jerk off at your reflective cue ball scalp in the mirror while reading affirmations about self worth or whatever bullshit you're into
>dht
>a hormone that's only useful for transitioning from a teenager into an adult
Lol. Lmao even.
>is uhhh bad for you
Correct. If you don't have prostatic hyperplasia and don't want to transition, nuking your DHT is moronic - and I'm guessing you don't have an enlarged prostate.
finasteride shills always react so strangely
you can tell their brains are completely feminised after years with no DHT
..did you remove your wisdom teeth?
enjoy no jaw gains
Hi reaper
Seconding this on everything other than taking dutasteride
Ye it's only a last resort if recipient is unresponsive but has actual possibility of sides that are not just nocebo unlike fin.
Forgot to include using tretinoin before minoxidil to increase effectiveness cause it converts it into its active form
Fin stopped working for me after 5 years so I switched to 0.5mg/EOD of dut and the results have been great. No new side effects other than watery semen on occasion.
moronic post. NEVER get a hair transplant unless you've stabilized your hair loss. And that'll only happen if you take an anti-androgen like Finasteride or Dutasteride. If you go under the knife and get the hair transplant, you're going to look like shit in 2 years -- you'll have a crescent at the front of your forehead and no hair behind it.
just start buzzing down now instead of spending your life rubbing expensive hormone-disrupting pharmacological goo into your head.
I took the baldpill 4 years ago and it never stopped me getting laid or having a good quality of life - you feel awkward for like a month and then everyone accepts it and you never have to think about it again.
i am already buzzing my hair down, but i feel like i must give it a try so that 10 - 20 years down the line i dont have any regrets
Your trying to fight nature and genetics anon. Do you really think it’s possible to win that fight?
if i can keep my hair for 5 - 10 more years to fool a girl into having my kid, then the medications have done their job
>asking a board filled with mentally ill posters if you should take hormone replacement therapy or collagen depleting topicals or scar inducing needles etc
ngmi op, I'm sorry
you sound like the only mentally ill Black person around here
I know you're angry but lashing out at the only Anons who are trying to help you isn't the way to go my dude
Look at this disgrace
I was of fin and minox
I droped minox and 5% of what I had recovered fell out... People call those minox dependent hairs.. the root is very small
I will keep fin for a bit and then will start minox again
My head isnt touched my sunlight in 2 years
If you stop using minox you're effectively cutting off the growth phase and slingshot your hair into telogen effluvium, the shedding might be temporary depending on how long you've been using it but if the hairs were still miniaturized then you washed all the money and time down the drain
Feels bad man. I stopped minox after a year of using it now I'm back on it.
Honestly, you're not completely fricked yet. If you can afford it you should opt for a fue transplant and save yourself a lot of time and mental anguish instead of arbitrarily waiting for drugs to regrow it. Just maintaining your hair with fin + minox will be a million times easier and less stressful as well
This is me ... Let me add
I am 34yo, my hair started to jump from my head when I started lifting
My 2 grandfathers did from prostate cancer
My 1st week of fin was very painfull.. under my balls was like if someone kicked me very hard there
Now it doesnt hurt
I bet my prostate was enlarging
Out of curiosity, how much fin per day were you taking?
5mg
Lmao
Its all working fine, i am not tanked
Keep your estradiol in check, it's common for it to go out of range with such high dosages due to more test getting converted via aromatization
Also sick rear delts
or just don't take poison and you don't have to worry about chemically induced gyno, ed, low t or depression
>or just don't take poison and you don't have to worry about chemically induced gyno, ed, low t or depression
>Don't take something that will keep you attractive and aesthetic because it has a symptom that occurs in uncommonly high doses that can be easily prevented if you know why it happens and a few nocebo symptoms that aren't even real, just lose your hair and be depressed instead
>nocebo
look up what metabolites 5ar is a catalyst for. everyone who uses fin long-term ends up on early T replacement therapy. Good luck.
>look up what metabolites 5ar is a catalyst for. everyone who uses fin long-term ends up on early T replacement therapy. Good luck.
(1080ng/dl after 8 years on fin and 3 suppressive cycles btw)
You can basedjack all you want bro. Just thought I'd throw a line out there for any Anons who aren't temporarily insane from going bald, so that they can make sound decisions for their future.
>going bald
>sound decision for their future
You're going to age and you're going to die. Deal with it.
I have a full head of hair.
>You're going to age and you're going to die
>so heckin do it naturally and as miserably as possible
>naturally
yes
>miserably
no
you should be focusing on areas of self-improvement and becoming genuine people that other people want to be around. it's not that it's good to lose your hair, it's that the provided solutions cause worse and unnatural problems. minoxidil ages your face. finasteride degrades your mental and your sexual well being. dermarollers cause the formation of scar tissue. I wouldn't go any further than a keto shampoo aided by a healthy lifestyle. I know many young guys who are balding and getting married and having children.
>t.
kek those men are clearly low quality, what does it matter if they have hair or not?
they would of looked like shit even if they had hair
>Projects his disappointment at losing his hair after several filters of rationalization to validate his choices
>Helping others make sound decisions
Ffs lad
Why no sunlight?
Summer is starting here.
All this is calculated. I will start cardio outdoor and get some sun.
My baseline since I started fixing all this was terrible
I am doing it step by step
>My head isnt touched my sunlight in 2 years
That could be one reason why it looks like shit.
>5% minoxidil, microneedling and ketocenazole shampoo
memes
>finasteride
start doing this.
when JUST starts you just do finasteride.
>finasteride
poison
Going bald sucks and you should have a go at slowing the process/preserving your hair, but if you're not having success you should lean into it IMO.
Cultivate an attractive lifestyle, take care of your body, develop your confidence.
If baldness is your only flaw, you're doing better than most.
EMBRACE
Why did you wait till Norwood 3 to take action?
OBLIGATORY
He only uses minox on his beard which is completely moronic. Minox is like 98% alcohol and will age your skin terribly.
Use it on your face to grow a beard, then go bald
IMO if you aren't gonna jump on Fin everything else is memes why bother try regrow something thats on the way out anyways.
>t. 22 years old on fin since i was 20
minox can regrow and maintain hair for 6-8 years. thats 6 - 8 extra years of having hair without fricking up your hormones, plus ketocenazole is also a weak DHT inhibitor so its going to slow things down even more
exactly this!
OP said he is 23, so with minox he can at least keep his hair until he hits 30 and it's more socially acceptable to be bald.
finasteride = watery semen = castration
Wrong.
Minox doesn't save your dying hair. It only grows new vellus hairs which mostly happens only in the crown region. It won't do shit to stop your hair loss. Anyone telling you that finasteride will kill your dick or sex drive is lying to you. I had "symptoms" but after the first month, they all dissipated, and I'm more virile than BEFORE treatment.
t. Fin user for 5 years
it depends.
around 20% of people that use minoxidil get very good results from it. if you are in that group of people than you can maintain alot of hair for 6 - 8 years
Minoxidil is a growth stimulant. Period. The only hair you're "maintaining" is the hair that grew because of the minoxidil. It doesn't stop your hair loss.
yea but you will still have a full head of hair for half a decade
kek, you are going to fricking flatfline one day and need serious HRT. thanks for playing.
3 years ago I was a NW3.5, and now I'm a NW0. If I didn't hop on 0.5mg finasteride a day, I would've looked like a slaphead. Cope and seethe baldcel.
No you won't. You'll look like the guy in this picture. Diffuse growth, mostly in the crown region, but all of the basline follicles will undergo telogen phase and thin out.
if he didn't use minoxidil he would have been fully bald. seems like a win to me, he kept his hair for a few more years without fricking up his hormones
Spotted the moron. Finasteride and Dutasteride inhibit the synthesis of DHT, an androgen which does NOTHING after your teens except frick your hair.
>ur body just uses it for no raisin! Block it everywhere!
my Black person you literally have vestigial organs in your body which do nothing and will kill you if they fail. Just because it's in your body doesn't mean it's good.
You are going off of extremely old, geocities website tier "science". Let me guess you think the tailbone is vestigial too right?
>an androgen which does NOTHING after your teens except frick your hair
Wrong. DHT plays a role in sexual health. Fin decreased my erection quality, sex drive and coom amount That being said, I still take it because the alternative is going bald.
go into any forum that you want about finasteride, reddit, youtube comments, videos, facebook groups. the side effects are REAL and alot more common than you guys think. everyone mentions testicle pain, watery semen, gyno. others talk about weaker erection or even complete ED. why the hell do morons like you keep denying the side effects?????
should i believe morons on reddit, or the studies which demonstrate those morons think their dicks are falling off even when they're on placebo?
If you read the studies you'd see that the % is higher than those that are on placebo and that the effects can last as long and in some cases longer than the time on the drug.
studies funded by the same company that is selling the drug...
this is not only wrong but also neglects to mention the mechanism by which fin inhibits the production of dht, which has been mentioned I believe several times itt.
>pot calling the kettle black
every time, kys you terrible poster
post body
Heard from leo from Leo and longevity that 10% minoxidil makes a massive difference in comparison to 5% but you can't get it otc in the us, might have to import
This stack will stop or even regrow your hair. Any sides are a meme as long as you live a healthy lifestyle and aren't a fat frick.
>Dutasteride 0.5mg daily
>Minoxidil 5% once a day with tretinoin (don't need to use it twice)
>Pyrilutamide once a day
The dut will stop almost all conversion to DHT. Minoxidil will stimulate growth. Pyrilutamide has a much higher binding affinity than dht so it will block all androgen receptors on the scalp. Great thing about pyrilutamide is it breaks down into inert metabolites when it enters the bloodstream so no sides. There, I just cured you all of balding.
>dut
no thanks, tried the switch from fin to dut and it wrecked me after 2 months.
How so?
>insomnia/restlessness
>dry eyes
>face acne
now i'm back on fin and feel better. really wanted to make the switch because i was after regrowth on the crown but no such luck.
Menstruation blood can help regrow hair and beard
I like to dogstyle my wife during her period and paint my face with the blood and ran around the bed doing a indian war chant
minox takes up a lot of time, dries out your skin, ages your skin, and doesn't even work as well as fin
using all that shit before fin is just weird
Does massaging your scalp help with hairloss? Can it make it worse?
did that shit for 7 months, 10 minutes everynight. didnt do jack shit for me. in face when i stopped more hair grew back because i was pulling hair our when i was massaging
>Hairchads win again.
Indeed we do, anon.
Indeed we do.
I'm
and I have a full head of hair.
>Finasteride's proven medical efficacy and extremely high safety profile.
this is a meme and I was having arguments about this over 10 years ago on all of da forums with shills like you.
>misery loves company
so do guys taking HRT for a cosmetic problem