>cut down
Run 5 miles to get runner's high in order to replace the drunk euphoria I'm missing out on
>rehydrate with vodka because I didnt get enough dopamine
>do my pathetic DYEL routine
>rehydrate with vodka
I wish I never started drinking. I was pretty miserable before. Initially things got better after drinking but now I can't seem to turn things around.
I even quit my SSRI'S because Wellbutrin lowers the seizure threshold when you quit drinking. I can't sleep without drinking. Please help
Just eat until you can't anymore.
Eat shit food. Eating what you want. Eat until you feel sick. Eventually, you will get sleepy. You wont feel like drinking.
Masturbate.
Cold showers.
Avoid caffeine.
>I even quit my SSRI'S because Wellbutrin
wellbutrin is not an SSRI
>I can’t sleep without drinking.
Yeah I quit drinking & had this same problem. You just have to be disciplined about setting aside a couple hours before bed to de-stress and not look at screens. You’ll get used to it
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Bro go to jail. Commit something and get forced into a place where you physically can't access alcohol. But then you actually need to want to quit alcohol which you clearly don't at the moment.
the most IST advice ever posted
?? you can get everything in jail. alcohol, meth, weed. dont matter. if op took your advice hed probably be selling his ass for a swig in no time
fucking retarded, I joined the army reserves, put myself forward for a tour, saved a fuck load of money while i was away, healthy tour bonus, zero alcohol for six months.
the guy recommending jail is fucking retarded
Joining the military is probably the WORST thing you could do if you’re trying to quit drinking
This might work if pruno puts you off the taste of alcohol forevermore.
A criminal record has serious consequences for Whites.
>go to jail
Anon that's so retarded
>join the army
Oh yes, that's so much better
>enforced fitness
>voluntary hardship good for the soul
>friendships you cant make anywhere else
>save thousands and thousands of dollars while im away
>do things and go to places others cant
>reservist so can quit whenever i feel like it so long as im not on tour
yeah man that was shit!!
Anyone else get crazy closed eye hallucinations when hungover after a couple days drinking? I always see demonic shit, I'm done drinking, it's malevolent
yes.
it's your mind playing tricks on you.
your body is used to ramping up it's shit because alcohol is a depressant. so your body is expecting to be depressed, but it isnt, so it's shooting off like madfire sparks racing thoughts. breathing in reverse. mass rushes of panic.
eat as much as you can. get some cbd oil or take some fucking gaba downregulators.
Or, how about this, I just don't drink anymore?
Yeah, you can always john wayne it.
People overplay the seizure thing. That's for ACTUAL alcoholics. People whose body literally needs alcohol. People who have the shakes and shit.
>john wayne it
explain the reference please
t. esl
The phrase is referring to the famous American actor John Wayne and his tough, no-nonsense persona on screen.
In this context, "John Wayne it" means to approach a situation or task with a similarly tough and determined attitude, perhaps without showing any fear or hesitation.
It just means to be a man and do it.
Thanks man.
"John Wayne it" is a phrase that can have different meanings depending on the context. John Wayne was a major American motion-picture actor who embodied the image of the strong, taciturn cowboy or soldier and who in many ways personified the idealized American values of his era1. In some contexts, "John Wayne it" could mean to handle a situation with toughness and determination, like John Wayne's characters often did. However, there are other interpretations of this phrase as well.
A-anon, that's not a hangover, that's alcoholic hallucinosis. I'm willing to bet your blood pressure is through the roof during those episodes. You're a couple dozen benders away from DT's.
It's not that. Alcoholic hallucinosis occurs as a withdrawal symptom in severe alcoholics. I rarely drink (maybe once a month) and I also get crazy closed eye visuals the day after a heavy night.
I've had that a couple of times while I'm lying in bed waiting to sleep. Constant unsettling images flashing into my mind.
Was watching world chess championship because its on at 3 in the morning when im going through night terrors from withdrawals. 50,000 retarded moves a minute going through my head. God torterous.
Only 2nd time this year tho. Knock on wood.
Keep it up man, I know that shit sucks
just realise it's a trap and no amount of boozing will ever satisfy you, all it will ever do is ruin your life
JFC, after going down the rabbit hole, this hits hard
just cut back until you realize its pointless, its just hurting the gains brotha
You need to rewire your brain to think that “alcohol is poison drinking this will make me sick” or something along those lines every time you see a drink. Also what helped me was after I sobered up I realized how cringy and gay bar/alcohol culture is I can’t even watch an alcohol ad on tv without thinking how cringy the people in it are now.
you must be a INTP.
Alchohol litteraly does the opposite of hydratation, just drink water
>loves me beer, simple as
>was up to over 10 litres a day of good fucking beer
>could crush half a 70cl whiskey/rum/gin in a night
>start realising this shit is getting the way of my cut and i look bloated anyway
>not to mention the detrimental effects it has on muscle building
>cut way down, didn’t quit, kept it on the weekends
>have so much more fucking energy and jesus christ my face has gotten so lean i’ actually a handsome motherfucker under this bloat
also don’t make the mistske i did by just replacing alcoholism with another substance addiction. turns out if you blast your brain on strong edibles every day they dont feel as good a few months in and you’re tired all the time anyway lel.
god speed OP, i’m not saying it’s easy, no it’ll be fucking hard. just slowly cut it down and you will eventually find yourself enjoying the clear headedness
Becoming an alcoholic?
Just say no.
Alcohol cannot legally enter your body without your consent.
>I can't IST the alcolholism away
Same here:
>parents are alcoholics
>promise to myself i won't get that bad
>still drink
>realize I'm getting a bit fat
>get IST, 80 pull-ups 80 chin-ups dips muscleups etc etc
>get abs for the first time in my life
>still drink
ARRRGHHHHHH
Unironically start doing meth. Only way I was able to kick opiates/benzos/alcohol was to get good and hooked on meth, start doing terrible shit, hit a bottom and realize you HAVE to stay sober to live a normal life. Maybe you can hit your bottom with just alcohol but I couldn’t. Now I’m sober and fit (ran a marathon this weekend) and doing alright.
Do. More. Meth.
evil twitter life coach be like
>Do. More. Meth.
go back
kek
You're right in the sense that if people can't hit the bottom on alcohol, they probably can with meth
alcoholic here and been sober for 4 years now. eventually something in your brain will switch on and you will be able to quit as long as you keep trying. the hardest part is to accept that alcohol really isnt something for you. this naked mind is a decent book to help you open your eyes to the bullshit about alcohol that you might believe. can be a bit annoying to read aswell since the author overplays how bad her drinking was.hardly drank more than a bottle of wine here and there while at the same time trying to sound like she was on deaths door for example. but the points about alcohol itself is really good to get in your head.
I'm sorry to hear that you're struggling. It sounds like you're trying to replace the feeling of being drunk with other activities like running and working out. While exercise can release endorphins and provide a natural high, it's important to also address the underlying reasons for why you started drinking in the first place. Have you considered seeking help from a professional or support group?
Wow OP you created a thread thats got chudbots sympathetic. Truly gay thread
Librium
why even quit drinking? Stop listing to these npcs just do your thing. It worked out until now and it will in the future. Stop listening to these losers who never touched a pussy in their life (probably were born through c-section too lol)
tried psyopping yourself into stopping?
watch the stop drinking expert on youtube - sort by most popular videos as he has way too many filler vids
alcohol is pretty much in the same category as petrol, tarps, white spirits, paint thinner, paint etc. You wouldnt drink those things even if they gave you the same drunk sensation would you?
alcohol is so disgusting and poisonons that most drinks are 4-14% (beer, wine) and spirits are 30% but you normally mix them with mixer anyway.
its advertised to you like how sweets are advertised to kids, bright packagings, cool colours, nice logos, but really whats inside is dogshit.
Alcohol is like you going to a garden shed and taking some paint thinner or paint stripper or methylated spirits and mixing it with coca cola and drinking it, pure retarded idea? so why do you do it with alcohol
imagine alcohol wasnt in the fancy packaging or stylish adverts
i dont drink anymore but I never had a problem anyway so giving up was easy for me. I still have a bottle of my favourite drink that I'm saving for a good day.
My next planned drink is a summer holiday this year + other things like weddings, then christmas 2023 then summer 2024.
OP, I wish I could tell you I have a foolproof way of stopping that anyone can apply and just stop. But I don't. I am a recovering alcoholic, and my road to finally quitting and staying quit was long and winding. I relapsed a dozen times over the years. Hell, this isn't even my longest period of sobriety, once I was clean for 5 years, and still relapsed during rona.
Currently I'm on Antabuse and in therapy. It's been almost a year, and I never intend to drink again. But, yeah. I once was 5 years sober, and all it took was one bad decision. So idk, one day at a time I guess.
take it from me man. I'm awaiting blood results for my liver. Years of drinking and the liver is starting to be in pain. By the time you get liver pain it's already too late. You're damaging your liver with every drink without realising it, you will only get the wake up call when it is too late with your liver.
How the fuck do you even become an alcoholic? I'm legit curious cause I drank my fair amount as a teen, and after that one hangover I just fucking stopped. What made you an addict? Permanent access to alcohol? It can be expensive. The pleasure it gives you? The hangover are the worst part, I can't see myself getting addicted to that shit
>how can you possibly become addicted to something makes you feel good and makes all your problems go away?
Alcohol makes me feel like shit for days after, which auto limits my use to no more than once a week. Though, I do tend to binge every time I drink, which is a type of alcoholism they say. Once I get a buzz I just keep drinking until drunk. Can't control it.
I feel like shit drinking alcohol on the day, its fun for like 4 hours if you're drunk with friends but than it immediately goes to shit
Not OP but I think alcoholics react differently to alcohol. For me I simply cannot stop drinking as soon as I have a sip. I have one beer and before I know it I'm seeing off an entire case. It's just an autopilot thing that happens
alcoholics get a stronger euphoric reaction to booze. It's why some people can take it or leave it and others can't leave it the fuck alone. OP needs help to get clean.
Both of these ring true to me as an alcoholic. I hate being buzzed, its almost like a pre-hangover. but past a certain point of drunk, I get super euphoric, and I just stop caring about all the anxiety inducing BS in my life, and its like a magical release. I always have a low-level anxiety/fear about a bunch of shit in my life, and alcohol lets me 100% let go of it. It's an incredible feeling to finally not care about things, and everything you do is just *fun*. And yes on the drinking autopilot. You just want to keep taking shots to keep up the drunk, but you are clearly auto-pilot just drinking more and more until you pass out essentially.
Hangovers suck, but you know what cures the blues? Drinking.
And so you start a slow by shitty cycle of drinking to feel better because your hangover sucks, but then your drinking causes more anhedonia and sadness with the next hangover, and eventually you just keep drinking. At some point the booze stops the euphoria and you drink for no other purpose than to manage and stop The Fear (big F fear, it's the most horrid experience. Imagine a non-stop anxiety attack, just pure sheer terror and sadness for a day straight or more, but with all the other hangover symptoms attached too). That point really, really sucks.
Yeah its a shit addiction. I've been addicted to opioids in the past and it was a much more pleasant experience than booze, even with the withdrawals.
you'll need help to get through it, most likely. AA is a cult but they might leave you some tools to help you. I used them for a year to break the habit.
oh shit i feel this so hard. it’s a joke here in ireland “haha lads let’s go, just the one pint haha wink wink”. jesus christ i am a fucking stereotype. ooh me lucky charms have you a fiver for the hostel pal?
It's genetic, unironically. An alcoholic is the sort of drinker who instead of becoming drowsy the more he drinks seemingly becomes more alert, more outgoing, more energetic, all the way until he basically falls over suddenly. I could go for days like that without passing out once, sometimes even without sleeping. It's hard to explain to normal people.
its the almost instant anxiety relief for me
the pain in my mind wouldn’t go away. sounds like gay shit but it’s true
feels good and the hangovers completely go away at a certain point
For me it was realizing that the best way to cure my hangovers was to keep drinking, started out as yknow just a drink or two to make the nausea go away, but then when I drink I tend to keep drinking, and that one or two turns into slowly sipping all day, next thing you know, it's been a week+ of 12 beers a day because I keep putting off the hangover that I will eventually have to deal with. I don't think I'm addicted the way some people are because I quit for a whole month recently fairly easily, but I have realized that the way I drink and the habits I've formed with drinking are unhealthy, and soon I'm going to have to make the decision if it's something I can do responsibly at all. Also side thing is that I have severe anxiety at times and maintaining a solid buzz throughout the day often helps me get things done, so it has turned into this amalgamation of different things that's led to me drinking so much.
Pathetic
literally just dont buy it you fucking retard
get help. Alcoholism is real and it will fuck you up.
Also alcoholic here. I went from ~500ml daily rum to 2-3 days of drinking a week. Managed to keep the beast at bay most of the time, but Friday nights just send my brain into a frenzy for drinking. Doesn't help that my GF is also in a similar boat; we just live for that Friday night drunk game playing/show watching/booze-fueled fucking, only to wake up Saturday morning and realize I (we've) wasted so much. Then Saturday is shit, and right when I'm feeling normal around 5pm, the booze-demon says "why not drink some more? You feel great right now!" and the ritual starts again. We've realized it and have purposefully and methodically planned things to do outside of booze to hopefully replace it. But I also work alternate weeks a few hundred miles away, and time alone is just the biggest reason to booze up and play games and watch shows and just do nothing.
I will say you just have to hit it with the willpower hammer. I've been down this road before. You just have to force yourself to replace it will other habits. Remove yourself from your typical boozing location (home I'm guessing). You get better and better at fending it off. The longer you are off of it, the easier it becomes; but yeah its a shithole addiction. You have to just keep hammering the idea that you are NOT buying another bottle. Literally go to a movie at night by yourself instead. Weird and pathetic? Who cares, you aren't drinking.
When you can get a foothold and at least skip 1-2 days of drinking, it becomes infinitely easier to workout and eat well, and let that carve a niche into your habitual life. I've managed to lose 15 lbs and gain some muscle, even with the drinking; I eat healthy enough, its just the booze crashing everything.
You can slowly replace it, just keep hammering to yourself that you are stopping, and eventually your brain will relent. But shit sucks man, I'm right there with you.
Used to drink myself drunk every night. Years like this. Eventually worked in a liquor store, got a sweet discount, continued getting drunk every night.
Watching people drink themselves to death helped me stop drinking obsessively. I've cried for too many dead alcoholics, including Kirby Morrow, a local actor who did Goku's voice on Dragonball Z. He didn't look like pic related. He was fat and looked bad. He'd come in for tons of vodka, saying it was for a party. Then one day he died. I know a lot of actors and they were all shocked, but I knew it was coming. It was obvious.
Eventually I got the fuck out of there and got a physical job that made it way harder to drink like I wanted to. Now I have a few beers now and then, or hot whisky when I'm sick, but that's it.
Top tip: get real. Alcohol is killing you. You gotta want to live. I saw a lot of people give up, and it's no fun checking if your friend's breathing when he collapses in front of you out of nowhere, or wondering where so-and-so has been, just to find out they died last week. This shit'll kill ya.
Bonus tip: Weed is better, if you can't go without some form of intoxicant. Get the booze out of your system for a month and go from there.
weed can absolutelt help curb you off alcohol, and it’s great every now and then, but if you are an alcoholic chances are you are just an addictive person as well.
t. the anon that mentioned they substituted alcohol for strong edibles near daily earlier in the thread. im taking one right now after a tolerance break. see you on the other side, fuckers
Used to drink a lot during college year, but my hobbies (lifting, sim racing and 3D modeling) give me more pleasure than alcohol and I can't perform if I'm drunk, that really killed any desire to drink within me. Also being healthy is a fucking flex in this society, and feeling superior to other people makes me feel more euphoric than no amount of drinking could ever
Things will get better but it takes like 3 months for the post acute symptoms to go down
Getting off booze is like a miniature version of getting off benzos essentially, since they act in very similar ways on your brain
When i quit drinking, I had slight derealization and a looming sense of terror for 4 weeks. Actually got suicidal thoughts for the first time in my life, fun times
This was weekend alcoholism / 3 times a week - ish keep in mind, so not even full blown hands shaking mode
This answer isn't glamorous or a magic bullet that will fix your problems instantly but I think it's the most realistic. Change your habits slowly and in small doses. If you take 7 shots worth of vodka in a drinking sesh start by cutting it down to 6. After a week cut it down to 5. After another week cut it down to 4 and so on. Something to be wary of when drinking is that it will inhibit your judgement but if you recognize this beforehand and remind yourself while you're drunk what your limit is so you can better control it. Finally I would find something constructive to fill the void alcohol is taking up. Is there something you're interested in that you could spend money on that you're currently wasting on liquor? Consider getting in to it so you've got something else to do with your free time besides being idle and drinking by yourself .
I had 9 drinks last night. When I went to sleep I had the most vivid dream I’ve ever had in my life.
Met a girl at work before I left for vacation, she was a temporary supervisor for my area, we got along very well. I come back from vacation, she’s not my supervisor but I see her and we chat. She’s super friendly, pretty, nice, and we get along well.
Talking to friends at work and I decide I’m gonna ask her out. I’m feeling good about it too.
Wake up, she isn’t real, I have no work friends, and I have no courage. Time to go to my shitty job in the real world.
Smoke weed everyday, even b4 gym a few days ago, got a good pump. Truly the patricians drug of fitness
Currently fighting off weed addiction myself. This shit drains my will to do anything. I'm down to .150g of vape per day (+ some cbd)
The hardest part for me is the fucking insomnia. I got so used to going to sleep drunk that I can't sleep well anymore. It takes me ages to fall asleep and when I always wake up 3 or 4 hours later. Any advice? I don't live in my homecountry and don't have access to sleeping pills
Melatonin
Whats your longest stretch of going without?
i dont get the appeal of alcohol shit tastes like hand sanitizer
u cant rehydrate with vodka retard youre just drinking vodka not rehydrating
Ozempic stopped me wanting to drink alcohol.
May or may not work for you.
>wake up, pic rel
>all the lights are on
>no memory of going to bed, no memory of what i was watching or doing in the lead up
>smashed glass all over the floor from when i must have fallen on to the table
>place looks like shit
>i feel like shit
>not tonight i say
>same as i did yesterday
I look back on those days and laugh, but only because I know very well I could've died and nobody would've noticed or cared.
Stop trying to replace the high and try live without any high. It sucks, for a long time it really sucks. But you'll come out better.
Best piece of advice I ever got was to wait 10 minutes, have a craving and wait 10 minutes for it to pass instead of acting on it. Like muscles your brain will grow and the more you practice this the better you'll get at it.
Also continue adding new shit to your life, if fitness is the only thing and you have a bad day at the gym for example, it'll be really easy to fall back in old habits. But if you are say reading a lot of books, studying something, learning a skill and fitness; you have a bad day at the gym, go home and study and read, learn a good amount and that will satisfy you instead of wallowing in your shit day at the gym and getting back to the bottle.
>t. former basically non-functioning alcoholic/meth addict
Quit all the running shit and be a powerlifter, you'll fit right in.
It can actually be dangerous to go cold turkey without alcohol depending on how far into addiction you are. I would seriously consider medical intervention. There is a drug made that supposedly helps with addiction. Even if you successfully break the addiction, you must be wary of relapse.
telling alcoholics they will die from quitting is such a retarded thing to say if they want to quit. and to die from it is if they stay at a consistent high blood alcohol level for a month or two then abruptly stop. and when i say high blood alcohol level i mean when they get to the point that being at a deadly % feels just fine. the people that drink like that are few and far between. also, antabuse is shit. alcoholics will still drink and then feel like they are dying and then just stop taking the antabuse.
>t. heavy alcoholic thats sober for 6 years
I have 3 beers a night with a steak, haven’t missed a day in 2 years. Moderation is the key, took me a while to get my brain to associate liquor with food and not a drug addiction so I don’t overindulge but it worked for me
Shrooms got me to stop drinking.
It sounds like you need to really fuck up your life first before you decide to quit for good.
Go to a doctor, or to rehab directly. No amount of thinking will solve this problem. Alcohol addiction is so common that the cures are starting to be pretty good. Trying to fix yourself using tips and tricks on a fitness forum mostly used by idiot teenagers is just wasting your time, you need outside intervention from a professional and that's how you're going to get better. You're getting it either now or in a couple years when you're way worse wishing you had done it sooner just like you now wish you had never started drinking.
I quit drinking but feel as if I have no social life now. I’m sure god will light some sort of path eventually for me to act out his will during the weekends but do any ex-drinkers understand this lonely feel?
Find groups that do shit outdoors
I would say join a church but churches are gay.
depending on what country you live in, there should be community events or volunteer things to do
What about Friday/Saturday nights? I’m 29 so maybe I should be over it but I still feel like a loser not having plans on these two nights even though it’s not good for me to be out anyway, since everyone drinks and seems to not like people that are not also drinking
Don't live for the weekend.
Make every day count. Even your gay shitty job.
Tons of people want a designated driver, but tbh you shouldnt hang out with people drinking. They are extra baggage and heavy weight weighingn you down.
I hate that my younger sister in her early 20s is just going out every weekend. I tell her that that life isnt glamorous. You should be making teh foundation for your thirties forties and so forth now. She's a dyke and has gf and whole group of chud friends that frequent the fag bars and shit. But it's a waste of life.
Instead of going to the bar and wasting two hundred dollars in a weekend, save all that money and take a weekend trip somewhere.
I'm not an alcoholic (yet) but I need to cut it out as I make dumb decisions on it and waste my money.
Problem is I'm lonely and rely on alcohol for socialisation to go out and meet people. Probably should join hobby groups instead tbh.
Yesterday I drank 21 standard drinks and blew through 220.
Saturday I drank 16 std drinks and did a bag of coke.
God I need to sort this shit out.
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go fuck yourself
I gave in to alcohol after my father's death.
I got to the point of drinking straight 90° alcohol if I ran out.
Quit for a solid two years because I really wanted to fix my life.
Started again after I got diagnosed with cancer, not as bad but I had 4 beers yesterday.
Such is life.
Sorry to hear that. What cancer you get diagnosed with anon?
Testicular, might get put on test as a plus, but I doubt it.
Ah, so they will remove or is it treatable with chemo?
Pick up weed
>Have always been a massive introvert and didn't go to parties during my teenage years
>As a result didn't develop a taste for alchohol and have probably not even drunk the eqivalent of a single beer at 21 (As a europoor)