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I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends.
    >Do I need steroids to look good?
    No.
    >Do I need steroids to feel good?
    No.
    >Do I need steroids to lift big?
    No.
    >Do I need steroids to get a gf/job/house/priase from granda/map for buried treasure?
    No.
    >Do I need steroids to look like a bodybuilder outside of flattering lighting, poses, lenses and a pump?
    Yes.
    I started test for a medical condition, upped the dose because of the minimal difference in side-effects from my dose and a proper cycle and added other compounds for fun.
    The risk/reward ratio is worth it for me, but it probably isn't for you.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I WANT TO FOREVER DESTROY MY NATURAL TEST LEVELS

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      dude this is my biggest fear and the reason ill probably never take trt (unless i'm on the verge of kms).

      https://i.imgur.com/r8w0JTx.png

      I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS I DON'T NEED STEROIDS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

      if dude on the right just cut, he'd look much better than right.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not only that but it will start to enlarge your internal organs like the heart

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not wanting those love and cardiovascular gains

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I thought that was only hgh.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not only that but it will start to enlarge your internal organs like the heart

      Fear mongering unless you're an absolute retard and act accordingly.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what is basic biology?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Something you’re attempting to circumvent every time you, as an endurance hunter-gatherer, try to pack on unnecessary mass.

          yes you're right if you're just smart about it steroids are completely safe. There definitely aren't thousands of professionals that have died prematurely as a direct result of their steroid use. It surely won't take years off of your life.

          You’re right, there’s absolutely no difference between injecting two grams of half a dozen substances weekly while gorging yourself on diuretics and using enough short ester test to bring you back to the pre-industrial baseline. These two scenarios are absolutely the same and it’s absurd to think that any differences in dose, substance, or context of use could possibly affect morbidity. Clinical studies have definitely shown that any amount of exogenous testosterone is a death sentence.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >muh dosage
            kek no one gives a shit
            The fact that you feel the need to put a needle in your ass to inject any amount of any exogenous anabolic substance for the SOLE purpose of building more muscle already means you have image issues and probably severely body dysmorphic

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fantastic assertion, entirely irrelevant to whether or not using gear is inevitably going to make you drop dead at the ripe old age of thirty two.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >pre-industrial baseline
            Lol. Lmao even.
            Fucking cope all you want.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes you're right if you're just smart about it steroids are completely safe. There definitely aren't thousands of professionals that have died prematurely as a direct result of their steroid use. It surely won't take years off of your life.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        thos guy is the main reason not to do them he's still dyel even after roiding

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. Now take the vaxx bigot

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is it worth getting my test levels checked every couple of months as a natty?

    I was around 400 at age 30 recently when I started lifting again. In curious to know if it's gone up now.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      thing is sometimes your test crash by eating or sleeping like shit as a natty so it's kinda retarded

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. Not unless you start noticing low test symptoms. The difference between any two ranges above low test up to maximum natty test levels is basically zero.
      You only start experiencing anything notable at low test levels or above natty levels.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The difference between any two ranges above low test up to maximum natty test levels is basically zero.
        No.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What is androgen receptor sensitivity and density?
          He’s right bro. If a person doesn’t have symptoms of hypogonadism/low test then the number doesn’t really matter within range because of how massive variability in the individuals sensitivity to test and things like SHGB are.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >androgen receptor sensitivity and density
            are relevant, yes.
            >variability in the individuals sensitivity to test and things like SHGB
            are also relevant, yes.
            >If a person doesn’t have symptoms of hypogonadism/low test then the number doesn’t really matter within range
            just because some other things also matter, doesn't mean total test is irrelevant. someone with a test level of 300 is less likely to be able to build muscle and strength as well as someone with 800. it's not impossible, but it is significantly less likely. if you could win $10,000 and had to pick the best muscle/strength gaining ability between two people who were randomly selected and all you know are their T levels, you'd pick the higher T level guy. it's not 50/50%.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, I really don't get this bullshit myth at all. Do these guys really think having higher free test over a decade will have zero effect on how much muscle they can build in that time frame? How fucking retarded do you have tto be to believe that?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                well, it's a response to "test is all that matters, if you have low test better give up now, if you have high test you must be doing something wrong if you're not swole as fuck after 3 months of lifting". and to nuance that a bit with other factors is good. but people always go too far...

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, I really don't get this bullshit myth at all. Do these guys really think having higher free test over a decade will have zero effect on how much muscle they can build in that time frame? How fucking retarded do you have tto be to believe that?

              Yeah I’ll admit that men with good mass building potential are probably as a general rule skewed towards higher end of the ranges.
              I also think though that natural lifters eating a raw onion per day for like +20ng/dL are coping and seething lmao.
              Anecdotally (which is pleb and dumb but I am only human so I weight it heavily) me and a gym buddy both got bloods done around the same time. My gym bro and I are within and inch of the same height, but he is effortlessly 10kg heavier and around the same body fat as me. His test was ~400, mine was ~750. I train harder and more consistently too.
              Good post anon it’s rare on this board.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >me and a gym buddy both got bloods done around the same time
                Someone's testosterone level can change quite a bit due to sleep, diet, stress, etc. I've had my T measured seven different times and the results ranged from 314 to 567 (average 433). You're unlikely to score much higher than 750, but he could have had a bad week and scored 650 on a good day.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never mix grip with the same hand positions each time guys

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    All you need is Jesus Christ.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can look like the right without steroids. You're just lazy.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going for natty wiry nowadays, not going to fuck myself up with roids.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Running test literally cured all of my ~~*social anxiety)) and ~~*depression*~~
    I'm still autistic I'm just not ashamed of who I am, I'm the fucking man and my achievements and selflessness is cause for self respect

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How much do you run? Did it made you lose hair?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >self respect
      >A fucking trchud thinking xhe is anything short of a chud
      lol.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You're are le chud

        fucking pussy

        How much do you run? Did it made you lose hair?

        I'm running 500 mg a week of sust 250.Norwood reaper doesn't seem to be appearing so far, but I am usually walking around with my head shaved anyway so idc. the real negative is my blood pressure is pretty fucked up and all over the place definitely gonna get some cardio gains before I do it again

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    you need steroids to get abs?

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to see how far I can get as a natural. If I can't cope then drugs it is, but I doubt it.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fact is, unless you are really fucking dedicated you will probably always look mediocre. Like it’s almost to the point you can’t use your gains to go out and have fun because it will fuck up your training

    I used to think steroids were really bad but once I researched and met people that do them it’s pretty obvious they’re ok if you use them responsibly. Being overweight/smoking/drinking excessively is worse than responsible steroid use. It’s like the boomers who drink everyday but will say weed is the devil.

    • 4 months ago
      Giddy

      >you will probably always look mediocre
      only to people like us, to the average person you can look great and still live a normal life

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fact is, unless you are really fucking dedicated you will probably always look mediocre. Like it’s almost to the point you can’t use your gains to go out and have fun because it will fuck up your training

        I used to think steroids were really bad but once I researched and met people that do them it’s pretty obvious they’re ok if you use them responsibly. Being overweight/smoking/drinking excessively is worse than responsible steroid use. It’s like the boomers who drink everyday but will say weed is the devil.

        Both of these are true.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tfw look better natty even with a fkced sleep schedule because of night shift job
    Stop making so much excuses and actually put in some work

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Routine?

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody neds them but they're great and if used intelligently have basically zero long term side effects. The biggest draw for me is it's chemical contraception: it induces azospermia which is transient. Studies on TRT men show an effective 100% return to normalcy after a 1 year cold turkey break (no clomid or hcg either) for 85% of men and at 2 years its 99%. With hxg and clomid you can return to normal spermogenesis in a month or two. Baseline testosterone production recovers even more quickly. Keep in mind this is a drug where researchers take random men and will inject 600mg doses/week (blast doses) for months for their studies and take them off cold turkey without a single fuck given and 0 adverse events. Test is safe as long as the blast isn't a year+ with multiple compounds. So no babies and it gets me jacked. I don't reccomend everyone juices since it's annoying and you need to be smart so you don't die.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only reason I don’t take shit is I’m afraid I’ll lose my hair

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