Yeah, I'm sure the same Hitler who supported the most advanced animal rights legislation in the world at the time told you that animals don't have souls. White people respect animals.
3 weeks ago
Ary
Very correct actually real white people hate themselves and eachother but love animals. Especially dogs for some reason, I honestly hate slave dogs but I love wild dogs
I don't care as long as they are treated well while they are alive and the slaughtering process is quick and painless. If their meat wasn't valuable then they wouldnt have ever been born to begin with.
Takes a little bit of autism to find the few brands that actually adhere to these rules instead of pretending to care about the animal for marketing purposes, but for me it's worth it
Same approach. Eat mostly fish. Beef rarely and never calf or lamb. Fuck people who never ever even really thought about what the hell they are doing (eating children).
Isn't calf a byproduct of milk production though?
It's still fucked up, but I think they need to keep dairy cows perma pregnant to keep milk coming right?
>Isn't calf a byproduct of milk production though?
no, we have chemical and machine abominations before God which force cows to produce milk whether or not they have children.
yeah, they give dairy cows pills that hijack their hormones into false pregnancy so they keep producing milk.
but you feed your girl the same pills that hijack her hormones into false pregnancy so your weak ass seed won't take in her. so what's the fucking difference?
Stop assuming others are on the same moral ground like you. I for instance dont see animals on par with humans, simple as that. So your argument is just retarded in my eyes
Eat no, kill yes. Systematically putting people down once they reach social security age instead of sponsoring their existence from a ~~*central fund*~~ would eliminate a bunch of the world's biggest problems
This is what I do too. I don't eat pork or veal for this reason because the standards in my country for raising those meats are dogshit tier in general. I get most my protein from fish, meat subs or eggs.
Right, in fact this is a fairly mainstream perspective (Singer et al.) except that it's quite difficult to even find ethically raised meat (especially in certain countries) and so the best rule of thumb is to avoid it entirely.
Same. But I think of it like this.
I have no influence, I have no voice, nobody will care if I talk against eating meat. Billions of animals are slaughtered every day for consumption, and no matter what, someone is going to eat that flesh, or it'll go to waste, but either way, weather I buy it or not, the people who produce it will still make money.
So, I eat meat while keeping in the back of my mind, the fact that the flesh I eat goes into making me better, stronger, and more effective. Also, when I can, I buy humanely raised and sourced meat and cheese.
Many people eat meat in Fast Food or in greasy, deep friend refuse, but I will not disrespect an animal's body in that manner. A portion of its strength will be mine, and its sacrifice goes to a good cause.
I can't remember the last time I bought meat at full price, it's usually discounted.
Something similar with electronics, they were going to make an iPhone or whatever regardless if I bought.
You realize is completely illogical and entirely based on emotional cope, right? Can you detail in what way the statement "I should not act about eating meat, despite me (as you stated) believing it isn't right" follows from "millions of other people do not care".
It's a non-sequitur. In what other areas of your life do you apply that "reasoning"?
Nta but it would also apply to washing your glass before recycling and sorting plastic into the right containers.
And then China exists. Fast food chains exist.
I guess the point he's making is that his sacrifice (not eating meat, sorting refuse, cutting down on muh carbon footprint) feels like its not going to matter, so all things considered he'd rather be comfortable.
Your justification makes absolutely no logical sense, and the reason companies will continue to make money is millions of others with this retarded mind set.
that pretty much was what happen in the old days, because the animals gave more useful things while alive, ox did work, cow milk, sheep wool. farmer couldn't afford to raise them just for meat, except hogs.
Watched a bear eat a cow, you know online. Its guts were all hanging out, you could see the despair and pain in its eyes and the bear just dragged it somewhere to eat it alive. Fuck bears man. Humans are natural predators, that's why most have the instinct to kill them quickly and humanely like based tigers. Bears are such gays, anyone who tortures an animal to death genuinely needs to be exterminated.
They dont know how to kill before they eat, somewhere down the line the mothers were killed and the cubs had to survive on their own and they were never taught how to kill like the jaguar. Its not their fault, its actually human hunting that probably caused it many thousands of years ago. Also cow necks are huge and its hard for bears to find the jugular anyways. Dont forget a 2000 lbs steer outweight most bears
All the places I've been working in, it was dog eats dog, ppl just trying to push each other out for a few shekels or just for kicks. Doesn't matter if it was some piss poor govt office or big buck tech company.
And it always made me smile to see those vitriolic human flesh eating carnivores, after they scapegoated, humiliated and ousted one of themselves, indulging in water cooler discussions on unethical meat eating, exploitation of animals, veganism etc etc.
This clown world newer stops being funny.
Thanks for making this thread. I buy the same animal products from the same brands each week, but I just did some research about certifications for humane animal treatment and I'll be buying brands with those certifications now.
Take up hunting. Kill an animal yourself, treat it respectfully, put some berries in its mouth when you leave, butcher it yourself - make clean cuts and package them yourself. You will understand then
it's ok to feel this way bro. don't let the selfish and foolish self-hating pricks on this site tell you otherwise.
keep loving the little critters who would otherwise be tortured
Animals literally evolved alongside humans to be eaten by them. Their life cycles and breeding habits changed to reflect on us killing most of them. Anyone telling you to reject millions of years of tradition and a humans purpose in their environment is a bugman
>rape is also a tradition based on millions of years of evolution where victors in war took the losers for their amusement by force.
Hope you get raped by a BBC you gay.
>bring up that our bodies have evolved alongside animals to intake meat >garden gnome immediately brings up morons as a scare tactic
You're not even trying anymore at this point huh?
We hold humans to a higher moral contract because humans have identities. An ego. There’s a handful of species on earth that can think enough that they know that they are present. And we eat none of them.
Cows are vert conscious and present and bulls have a huge ego and are willing to fight to the death. Roosters also fight hard to protect their hens. Pigs are wild and extremely powerful and very much in the moment.
Spend some time around animals and you will see they have personality and social structure hunting tactics, a great deal of emotions. Horses and steer cry from emotional pain. Pigs will go hog wild when attacked. Animals are intelligent enough to survive in the wild naked with no books or teachers or help.
Animals are far superior to humans they just dont have hands to write with, but their language is just as complex as human language. Infact animals can understand human language, but humans cannot understand animal language. And animals can navigate across continents and ovens from memory while humans get lost in the supermarket.
Dont make the mistake of thinking you are superior. Youre just a worthless human until you understand that without all of mother earths creatures the circle of life closes and we fall out of balance then starve.
We are only hear as guardians of the earth the anything that hunts pret and flees danger and values its life is conscious and has ego even the single called organisms in water hunt and flee one another, they have organelles and a sensory system. Go meet with a cow and you will see.
And we extincted the mighty aurochs and extincted the flying rainbow rooster and we hunt the wild boar mercilessly.
We turned beautiful powerful wild animals into retarded dependant inbred slave cattle. Its very sad, you should not be proud. Humans are evil but a necessary evil you dont sound human or smart to me. Just because we enslaved the animals doesnt mean we own them. Doesnt mean they are objects. A person with a soul would know about justice. You have to give animals justice and dignity. Fight the bull hunt the boar catch the chicken. Dont enslave it and breed it into a cattle. Our ancestors would be ashamed. In valhalla thor comes out for the boar hunt. But you go to the store for the bacon, the gods say to respect the animals. If you dont obey the gods then you get your brain hammered maybe not now but we all get judged eventually
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop LARPing as a fucking druid. Get off the shrooms
Narcissistic garden gnome everytime thinks they understand the world. Cant even comprehend the animals ability to think. They only understand money and investment. Hard wired for human society. Really sad
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pretty lukewarm cope. He's right you know and you're little more than a criminal against humanity yet you try and accuse others of garden gnomery with your disney approved take on life.
3 weeks ago
Ary
At least I'm not a criminal against nature, even the Christian god punishes the nature criminals in the stories
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/Hzd3dxq.png
You watched too many anthropomorphic cartoons growing up and you are using animals to compensate for your misanthropy.
muh humanity
muh mankind
humans are all different
there are hundreds of millions of borderline mentally challenged humans who breed until they use all of their natural resources and starve themselves to death
are these humans any better than animals? please just stop pretending there's this unified category that all homo sapiens fit in
some animals are better than humans
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>some animals are better than humans
nice try lucifer, everybody knows you're full of shit
#teamPeople
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your dog will never cheat on you and take the kids.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're competing with other humans for housing, food, land, occupation, the direction of your state governance, and the likelihood of you getting mugged of getting wronged is higher the more human populated your neighborhood is
humans have different levels of empathy and time preference, you're not in a team in you're in a club.
You sound like one of my fuckbuddies for which I pretended to be veggie to get it in and she sounds exactly like you. It was so hard not to break face bros
Mental illness like this is why so many people don't take animal welfare seriously. When some idiot comes up to them with these delusions wrapped in pretentiousness they will disregard all of it completely and eat even more meat out of spite. Tone it down
>anything that hunts pret and flees danger and values its life is conscious and has ego
I can write a computer program that exhibits the same "behavior" with only if/then statements and no neural nets, and I am pretty sure that program isn't conscious. therefore, not every organism that reacts to stimuli is implicitly conscious.
mammals dont flee as default. most of them freeze in the presence of superiority. you can't write a program that assesses dominance within the blink of an eye.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you can't write a program that assesses dominance within the blink of an eye.
Rape is not a thing in the natural world. Sexual reproduction is. Animals don't have the ability to consent, and early humans didn't care. We still engage in sexual reproduction. We just seek the consent of our partner first.
Not him. Rape actually does exist, or at least some semblance of it. It certainly wasn’t as bad as it is now. They’ve even seen a trauma response in the animals that are being raped and they’re clearly trying to fight off their attackers. That being said animal eating is justified insofar as it’s necessary. Once we figure out the lab grown meat, it will then be pretty fucked up to eat a real animal from a factory farm.
The natural world, its beauty, its balance, its perfection IS trauma and brutality. Part and parcel. You want it to be something it isn't. That's just part of how the whole inconceivably complex system functions. Modern man has a God complex imho if he thinks he will ever escape it and usually his meddling- especially in the age of modern science, causes more harm to nature (and himself) than anything else. Man will obscure this reality (at best) for a time until it comes crashing down on him everytime. Lab grown meat lol. Also there are alot of necessary and important lessons forced on people who have to come face to face with what it takes to live- to kill another animal- and that's a good thing.
Anyways on a purely personal level (no philosophizing), I find bulldozing and permanantly raping thousands of acres of old hardwoods etc. to rowcrop a much greater sin than killing pigs or cows.
Just eat a part of a big animal so you have more people to split the feeling of guilt with. Whale meat is delicious and full of proteins. The piece you eat is insignificantly small.
i use to feel the same even though i never went vegan then one time i was watching some nature documentary on acid and this eagle was eating baby ducks out of the nest and i realised that its nature and its perfect. now i hunt around 50% of my meat and i respect the animal but i don't feel bad. i still dislike factory farming.
You can prove humans are carnivores because despite an insanely high level of empathy we still get urges to kill shit. Like the idea that “I can kill this thing easily” and it’s only your consciousness stopping you. An herbivore doesn’t think like that. We are like cats and orcas. Cunts
Mate, a moose will kill you just for fun. Rhinos kill you, rape you and then play with your dead body. Same with hippos.
Most herbivores that are large enough to kill you will do it just for fun. You're just a rag doll to them. They absolutely get killing urges and will even eat smaller animals despite not being able to digest them.
Then don't. You don't have to. I'll eat your share of animals anyway. But nobody is saying you have to eat them. I wish you would for your own health, but I am more happy we have a choice.
Hunt your meat bros. Deer, ducks, elk, etc.
You are bypassing globohomo, culling the herd to prevent overpopulation and disease, and partaking in millenia old tradition
I want to eat some of the geese that walk around shitting in my neighborhood but I know the soccer moms would pitch a bitchfit if they saw me wring one's neck. They look plump and tasty and they annoy the fuck out of me waddling in front of my car and shitting when I want to go home.
because they give free gibs to africans and arabs for literally zero purpose other than "noo i need to be heckin nice" and let paki and somali muslims rape their women and get a slap on the wrist (if they even get caught lmao, police there do fucking nothing)
almost everything they do has an aura of cuckness to it, it's insane
don't forget to pay your tv license and bin your knives!! even though the local ahmed gangs kidnap 7 year girls and sell them as sex slaves
we can't punish the non-whites because they're disadvantaged! now check your privilege
joke of an ethnic group, west euro cucks
and yet western europe is the best place to live in, eastern euros nafris and middle easterners from based non western societies doing everything they can in order to move to western countries just proves my point
western euros are cucked but so is everyone else, canadians are cucked up to their nostrils and so are americans with their BLM CRT shit they created
australia is also fucked beyond belief and these are the best places to live in besides western europe lol
all the other euro ex-colonies in the americas/asia/africa are absolute shitholes in comparison
western europe created the best societies to live in
cope seethe mald
you're not supposed to be eating anything that used to be alive or with blood in it, when the earth goes from 3D to 5D or new earth, animals will be vegans you won't see animals killing animals to survive, it'll be like in the bible where it speaks of the animals loving each other and getting along.
You can ONLY survive off living things as a human, dingus. Unless you're able to photosynthesize, which humans aren't, you survive by consuming other living things.
Also: >be God >think animals aren't supposed to eat each other >but design them to eat each other
trololole
Is veganism literally >muh fee fees?
I grew up partways on a farm, and I think everyone should at least spend some time on one. To me, the people who won't eat meat because it makes them cry are just as bad as the people who carry pocket dogs in purses. They all have an unrealistic and unnatural relationship with animals.
Are you sure you aren't the one with an unrealistic amd unnatural relationship with animals? I mean, you basically kept them as slaves so you could fatten them up and eat their flesh, as well as their children's flesh. Or parasitize them by stealing their milk/eggs.
Yes, I am positive. It's clear by your post that you don't know anything about the life of an animal like a rabbit or a chicken out in the wild. They are constantly pursued and can be ripped apart at any moment.
Somehow that is more deplorable to you than living a nice life full of food and water in a protected environment.
>ummm did you know that ummm akshually, rabbits are prey animals and are hunted in the wild?
Wow. Now that's the sort of knowledge and experience only a born-and-bred corn-fed farm boy could know, I tell ya hwhut! A-hyuck!
my rule is I don't eat any animal flesh capable of intelligence or complex emotions.
So I only eat things like fish and chicken.
Cows are stupid, but you can tell they feel things and can form bonds with human owners.
Pigs are smart and feel things, so no go.
Can't eat crows or ravens (not that most people do) since they have the equivalent intelligence of a human 4 year old and can learn human language to a limited extent.
anon, the defining trait of human beings is intelligence and complex emotion.
If you eat intelligent emotional animals it is tantamount to cannibalism.
Pigs are genetically and anatomically very similar to humans, and supposedly their meat tastes similar to human meat. Pigs are hairless like humans too, how many humans are hairless.
You can give me shit for saying eating a pig is like cannibalism, but it still don't feel right.
i consider pork pretty low tier meat, along with chicken. all i really eat off a pig is bacon, unless something is on sale then i'll throw it in the freezer and mix it into my diet at some point.
you've got a better chance of getting people to commiserate with cows or lambs. but those are better nutrition, so i'll eat them first.
wild cats are just as intelligent and social, but they won't hesitate to kill you and feed you to their babies. maybe they are the most intelligent after all, considering idiots like you are in the gene pool.
>considering idiots like you are in the gene pool.
The connection of the internet is selecting for those who can adapt the best to the hyper social reality. Along with a baseline aggression to defend yourself, holding a coherent and defend-able ethical standard is required to "fit in" with huge social groups. All massive social tribes with substandard ethics will dissolve from internal in-cohesiveness. Mass-tribes will break down without a solid ethical basis for their dynamics and culture and begin to fight one another, while those with solid ethical arguments will remain their size and remain dominant.
You think I practice virtuous standards just for the fun of it?
the reality is access to salt and fat. you can afford to be a onions boy right now, because of how convenient our ancestors have made society. you won't bother me though, i like getting fatty cuts for cheap because the consumer demands lean, lol.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Historically "might is right" ideologies have always lost. Because they, while true, ignore human social needs and are therefore ideologically weak, ironically justifying their own defeat, per their own ideals.
Virtue IS a commodity. One of the most valuable on this planet.
Those tribes who do not resolve for robust ethical systems and abide by them degrade and dissolve into infighting, becoming self-defeating.
You talk about salt and fat, but if my tribe is larger than your tribe and can justify taking the salt from you and imprisoning you because you are without morals and act like criminals, then I will win.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah, but my tribe makes your food. and your tribe can't communicate if the 5G goes down.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
technology can be adapted for, it's not a problem.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
by you? or by your buddies? or, oh shit, the rednecks are the guys who make that happen too...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon, the adaptation that technology (internet, social media) is forcing is the formation of MASSIVE global cyber-tribes. Due to human nature, without good ethics, these tribes will continuously breakdown into infighting and be preyed upon by tribes that could retain their size because they had solid ethical arguments for their tribes culture.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
all a few sick days away from outage. you probably cant even set up a home network without letting your OS do it for you. digital communication will be the first thing to go if people get hungry. tearing it down is step one of military coup / operation.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Starlink is virtually impossible to take down, and it's availability is dictated by the USA.
Not only that, but smart phones are still recording.
The new paradigm is one of surveillance and citizen as intelligence analyst.
Every war crime will be documented and eventually independently investigated by millions of people on the internet.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Starlink is private, and you dickskinners hate Elon.
smartphones are recording, but you've got dipshit government employees managing it. the literal weakest clowns on the planet, these fucks will be the first to fail, first to quit, first to starve.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You still haven't caught up with the paradigm shift and reality of information technology and the all seeing eye.
Every transgression is documented and recorded for eternity, every persons real time location is a few internet searches away.
Try to understand what that means.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i've seen the actual backend of your larp fantasy. the guys who can maintain these systems are all either retiring or focusing their energy on building personal farms.
again, communication is the first convenience to go down. salt and fat is going to determine how secure you really are.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You still haven't caught up with the paradigm shift and reality of information technology and the all seeing eye.
Every transgression is documented and recorded for eternity, every persons real time location is a few internet searches away.
Try to understand what that means.
i've seen the actual backend of your larp fantasy. the guys who can maintain these systems are all either retiring or focusing their energy on building personal farms.
again, communication is the first convenience to go down. salt and fat is going to determine how secure you really are.
>starlink >elon >all seeing eye >larp >govt >transgression
on my anime IST board >salt and fat
ok checks out
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
i've seen the actual backend of your larp fantasy. the guys who can maintain these systems are all either retiring or focusing their energy on building personal farms.
again, communication is the first convenience to go down. salt and fat is going to determine how secure you really are.
I'm always astounded by how IST in particular is disconnected from reality.
Do you truly not recognize the reality of surveillance and social media?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
bro I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but please do realize what board (and site) you're on. this isn't 4chan, /b/, IST or whatever other board focuses on this shit.
who am I kidding. every board has this shit.
but still...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
can't get IST in the globohomo agenda. critical thinking is a prerequisite for gains.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>critical thinking is a prerequisite for gains.
I do actually agree. but the idiots on this board are incapable of doing so. right, left, center, doesn't matter. idiots across the board (pun unintended).
trolls notwithstanding of course
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the special interest propagandists on this board have a vested interest in pretending and acting like certain aspects of the world don't exist and they are an authority on global trends.
It's all bullshit, like the rest of the internet.
Half-baked tribes based on the stupidest shit trying to pull people into their massive failure.
And it works because people are incredibly stupid.
Sure just don’t bitch at people who do. I posted about eating octopus and rabid mouth breathing fags replied to me en masse. If you ever want free (You)s talk about eating octopi.
you fucking asshole. octopi are among the most intelligent species on earth, clearly more intelligent than you. i hope the christfags were right now so you can burn in hell.
Eating meat is definitely healthier. The law of the jungle says to eat meat, but moral law says not to. So I still eat animals that aren't intelligent. That sits best with my conscience
How so?
Cooking meat has been linked to several types of cancer and many meats contain high concentrations of fats and salts.
Fish containing extremely high concentrations of mercury. Pretty much steamed chicken is the only meat that is even remotely good for you and calorie wise it still is nothing compared to tofu, seatant, or tempeh which is exteremly lean and has a much high protein content which is good for burning fat and building muscle.
The only reason retards like
Eating meat is definitely healthier. The law of the jungle says to eat meat, but moral law says not to. So I still eat animals that aren't intelligent. That sits best with my conscience
think eating meat is healthier is because he thinks it's "natural" when our current evolutionary and economic niche is no where near where we were when humans actually had to eat meat to survive nore did humans eat meat every single day or month even. Eating meat was a rare delicacy that was typical celebrated by early homosapiens dude to the amount of energy and planning it actually took to trap, hunt and kill prey. Mostly tribal societies lived off forging berries and fruits and get a high concentration of proteins and nutrients from meats when possible.
This is 2023 though and you are no some "le epic hunter" on the savanna. You get your fat, lazy ass up and go to the grocery store like everyone else.
Vegan diets have been proven to be every bit as healthy if not more so than meat eating diets due to their high concentration of nutrients found in plants and low concentrations of fats and sugars/salts.
honestly arguing what is natural for human diet due to our evolution is impossible because all of history is a lie and we did not evolve naturally on this planet but were instead the result of aliens splicing their genes with chimpanzees. Aliens eat information (we read) and chimps eat fruit veggies and meat, like us.
>cancer
we didn't have cancer or cardiovascular diseases until we started consuming vegetable oils. so, try again.
when shit hits the fan, wars will be fought over access to salt and fat.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is a lie. Cancer is a mutation in genes found in humans and have been with humans and mammals; and animals for as long as we have existed on this planet. What an ignorant statment.
honestly arguing what is natural for human diet due to our evolution is impossible because all of history is a lie and we did not evolve naturally on this planet but were instead the result of aliens splicing their genes with chimpanzees. Aliens eat information (we read) and chimps eat fruit veggies and meat, like us.
I do agree arguing what is "natural" is dumb as fuck though and not a very good argument and not just because it is fallacious, but, simply what is "natural" changes regularly and the division between "natural/not nature" is a false dichotomy. Though seed theory is not totally out of the question there's no real scientific evidence to believe that it's true.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
humans are the first mammal to die from cancer, and only in the last 70 years. but i dont care how much onions you suck, more meat for me.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You realize how dumb what you are saying is right? You are saying that cel regeration errors didn't exist in animals for millions and millions and millions and millions of years.
cancer is inherent to mammals, humans are the first to find a way to die from it circa 70 years ago.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
False.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
wrong.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No u.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Cancer is a mutation in genes found in humans and have been with humans and mammals;
damage to DNA can trigger the mutation of cancer genes. it's why radiation usually causes cancer, because it greatly damages DNA. Some molecular compounds found in certain foods also cause damage to DNA, but nowhere near as much as radiation.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Mutations and errors also occur naturally though. I agree a lot of this shit that gets pumped out today is more responsible for cancer (most of it is certainly processed meat garbage anyways) but to say cancer didn't exist prior to the lat 70 years is hilariously dumb.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
for more cancer*
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but to say cancer didn't exist prior to the lat 70 years is hilariously dumb.
I wasn't that anon, me someone else.
Eventually, everyone and everything dies, including cute and nice animals.
The way I look at it, treat all animals very well, and once it's time, kill them with mercy and make sure nothing goes to waste.
I unironically get indirectly motivation from the animals I eat - you literally gave your life (not willingly but still lmao) so that I could live, what right do I have to waste my life then?
I feel the same, OP, but the concept of cattle has changed the biological history of the planet, and dropping it would have serious consequences for the environment apart from the world’s economy impact.
We can only reduce meet ingestion, cannot go full vegetarian.
Do aliens eat humans?
Did aliens bread humans to eat them?
Will humans die off because of starvation if they aren't eaten?
Humans give livestock life so that they can in turn take their lives after some time in order to live themselves. Sounds like a good system to me.
Well, if the aliens were just gonna eat meat they could just eat animals. Humans have complex consciousness and some intelligence unlike animals, so if we are farm food for aliens the aliens probably eat our minds.
I have very little empathy towards animals
Lots of empathy for humans though
imo all those animal rights people who care more about animals than people had something go wrong in their evolution
The only reason you care about some animals is because they slightly resemble babies and you instinctively find them cute. OP pic is an example of that.
No other reason to care about them. I mean we can treat them humanely alright but you don't have to overdo it with your pity
It doesn't really matter why people think animals shouldn't be abused. That is kind of a no sequiter.
Animals should deff have rights. I am will to say that milk and cheese isn't as bad as meat and I am willing to agree that, as long as the practice is ethical, people and companies should be able to benifit off this mutual relationship that has existed with animals and humans for hundreds of thousands of years, but, I think meat eating deff should be against the law and animals should have basic rights like all living things. Right to life, right to not have their autonomy impeded upon (by us) and right to not be killed.
Kek, A Fetus is not a living breathing conscious animal. A fetus is about as intelligent as a plant.
Imagine all that crying about a zygote but eating something with the intelligence of a 3 year old child. You mad though?
So what? You still kill animals, or, support killing animals which are 100% conscious and intelligent and bitch about something that is not. That argument falls apart when juxtaposed with meat eating. Conservatives are literally brainlets.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why do you prefer your own species over others
mental illness
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
life of convenience, no actual threats to compete against. competing against their food sources themselves out of an existential angst for being robbed of the opportunity to thrive.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no actual threats to compete against
Human threats are themselves and their technology. Big and real threats too.
you are about as intelligent as a plant, but i would still call your untimely death an act of murder. humans are special, animals are not. starve in a corner, more meat for me.
at least plants ensure their own survival / progeny.
No we are not. This bs anthropocentrism has been debunked over and over again all through out history.
>We're special we're the center of the universe >Actually we're one star among billions orbiting out start in one solar system among billions....in one galaxy....in one universe....
There's literally nothing special about humans.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>there's nothing special about humans
We're smart enough to escape the matrix
animals are computer programs.
that said digimon deserve rights too.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think it's pretty stupid to say there's nothing special about humans as if we don't already know you must be one, or have been created by one, to use language so proficiently.
But this is IST, so I imagine you'll claim to be a crow who happened upon an open laptop just to win the argument.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I do too slightly, but as long as theyre well treated and killed quickly and humanely then i dont mind, its just nature to eat prey animals, especially if you havent formed some sort of bond with them, as then it'd be betrayal. I do feel some concern for chicken as its very hard to avoid battery chicken. I also on principle dont eat veal, as its just excessively/comically cruel.
Yes we are. We are made in God's image, we are the only truly intelligent life. An ape, elephant, orca or dolphin may have the intelligence of an 8 year old, and a dog, cat or horse may have the intelligence of a 4 year old, but nothing is as smart or complex as a adult man, although a certain group from a certain continent are almost intelligent animal tier.
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There is no good loser. Sorry to inform you.
I know life is scary and difficult but having imaginary friends to cling to in times of hardship is just cringe. Be a man
They have almost all the sighns of intelligence that other animals have such as cows and pigs. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how intellegent a crow is.
>Cows are sweet babies I don’t go near their flesh
they're also completely useless if you aren't going to eat them.
even if not eating cows was the moral thing to do
this
they wouldn't live in the first place if we weren't gonna eat them.
I saw a cow eat a baby bird, then loll about in the field, apparently extremely pleased by the snack. In that moment I understood everything I needed to know about the food chain. I show my animals care and concern during their life, then give them a swift, painless death they don't see coming.
Honestly in a survival situation it seems like a complete waste to kill an animal for food when you can survive off its milk instead. Constant meat consumption is a symbol of decadence. I don't even like it *that* much if I was eating out and I had the choice between a steak or cheese pizza, I'd enjoy the pizza more.
>NOOOOOO you can't abort that fetus it's killing a living being >But that pig over there that's more intelligent than a toddler? Yeah torture it and eat it
I find it fascinating that the humans who see themselves as mere animals- act the most like animals, while simultaneously sympathizing MORE with animals than their own kind.
Coffee table philosophy aside though- the motivation for most abortions is modtly to do with lifestyle and comfort. Let's not pretend otherwise. If a piglet posed the same risk to lifestyle and comfort as an infant, the piglets would be slaughtered by these same people with even more imputiny (if that can even be imagined).
>I find it fascinating that the humans who see themselves as mere animals- act the most like animals, while simultaneously sympathizing MORE with animals than their own kind.
I find it fascinating you think this is a good point
Okay, don’t eat them
Me too.
Except fish.
Fuck those scaley cunts.
Some fish are good pets
Fish aren't pets, they are a decoration
If they didn't want us to eat them, then they wouldn't be made out of food
so you support cannibalism
animals have no soul, humans do
the word "animal" literally means soul
>" from anima "breath, soul; a current of air"
https://www.etymonline.com/word/animal
ur gay
>it means that because le old word is similar
stfu retard
meathead
I*m sure you can proof these claims.
the proof came to me in a dream when i was hanging out with hitler
But hitler was vegeterian. Maybe he thought animals have souls.
Yeah, I'm sure the same Hitler who supported the most advanced animal rights legislation in the world at the time told you that animals don't have souls. White people respect animals.
Very correct actually real white people hate themselves and eachother but love animals. Especially dogs for some reason, I honestly hate slave dogs but I love wild dogs
Imagine believing in souls as an adult.
Do yoga for a month then come back
>t.
Gingers are on the menu right
You are brown.
yes, as long as its not me.
We did it reddit
man up
I don't care as long as they are treated well while they are alive and the slaughtering process is quick and painless. If their meat wasn't valuable then they wouldnt have ever been born to begin with.
Takes a little bit of autism to find the few brands that actually adhere to these rules instead of pretending to care about the animal for marketing purposes, but for me it's worth it
I dont eat calf or lamb because of this.
I atleast hope the baby roosters die quickly when they get shredded or gassed.
Same approach. Eat mostly fish. Beef rarely and never calf or lamb. Fuck people who never ever even really thought about what the hell they are doing (eating children).
Isn't calf a byproduct of milk production though?
It's still fucked up, but I think they need to keep dairy cows perma pregnant to keep milk coming right?
>Isn't calf a byproduct of milk production though?
no, we have chemical and machine abominations before God which force cows to produce milk whether or not they have children.
Imagine being so ignorant that you think cows can produce milk without being during or after a pregnancy.
I bet you're american
just google "chemical abominations before God that force cows to produce milk year round".
We pump cows full of hormones that makes their body think it's constantly pregnant.
you do the same to your girlfriend because "you aren't ready to be a father yet"
yeah, they give dairy cows pills that hijack their hormones into false pregnancy so they keep producing milk.
but you feed your girl the same pills that hijack her hormones into false pregnancy so your weak ass seed won't take in her. so what's the fucking difference?
So you would infinitely kill and eat old people as long as they had a good life?
You don't generally eat old animals. Most livestock are butchered before they are 2.
No, because people aren't animals.
>inb4 redditor comeback
You know what the fuck I meant.
Stop assuming others are on the same moral ground like you. I for instance dont see animals on par with humans, simple as that. So your argument is just retarded in my eyes
Eat no, kill yes. Systematically putting people down once they reach social security age instead of sponsoring their existence from a ~~*central fund*~~ would eliminate a bunch of the world's biggest problems
People =/= animals. If you can't understand the difference between killing an animal for food and killing a person you are legitimately psychotic
This is what I do too. I don't eat pork or veal for this reason because the standards in my country for raising those meats are dogshit tier in general. I get most my protein from fish, meat subs or eggs.
Right, in fact this is a fairly mainstream perspective (Singer et al.) except that it's quite difficult to even find ethically raised meat (especially in certain countries) and so the best rule of thumb is to avoid it entirely.
>as long as they are treated well while they are alive and the slaughtering process is quick and painless
So... Kosher meat
We have come up with way more humane ways to slaughter animals through the centuries. Religious barbarism should become a thing of the past.
Except we havent.
>hurrr religion bad
Reddit is that way
Same. But I think of it like this.
I have no influence, I have no voice, nobody will care if I talk against eating meat. Billions of animals are slaughtered every day for consumption, and no matter what, someone is going to eat that flesh, or it'll go to waste, but either way, weather I buy it or not, the people who produce it will still make money.
So, I eat meat while keeping in the back of my mind, the fact that the flesh I eat goes into making me better, stronger, and more effective. Also, when I can, I buy humanely raised and sourced meat and cheese.
Many people eat meat in Fast Food or in greasy, deep friend refuse, but I will not disrespect an animal's body in that manner. A portion of its strength will be mine, and its sacrifice goes to a good cause.
I can't remember the last time I bought meat at full price, it's usually discounted.
Something similar with electronics, they were going to make an iPhone or whatever regardless if I bought.
You realize is completely illogical and entirely based on emotional cope, right? Can you detail in what way the statement "I should not act about eating meat, despite me (as you stated) believing it isn't right" follows from "millions of other people do not care".
It's a non-sequitur. In what other areas of your life do you apply that "reasoning"?
Nta but it would also apply to washing your glass before recycling and sorting plastic into the right containers.
And then China exists. Fast food chains exist.
I guess the point he's making is that his sacrifice (not eating meat, sorting refuse, cutting down on muh carbon footprint) feels like its not going to matter, so all things considered he'd rather be comfortable.
You do understand how demand effects supply?
Your justification makes absolutely no logical sense, and the reason companies will continue to make money is millions of others with this retarded mind set.
I've never eaten yak though.
It's a miniature highland cow you city slicker
From the isles of scotland city slicker, also home to the beautiful Scottish wildcat currently so endangered they are giving up on it
Why can't they be slaughtered after dying of old age?
that pretty much was what happen in the old days, because the animals gave more useful things while alive, ox did work, cow milk, sheep wool. farmer couldn't afford to raise them just for meat, except hogs.
I wait for a cow to be struck by lightning so I can eat it without the guilt of it being killed by myself or other humans.
Why? Animals eat each other, an animal would think nothing of eating you
Watched a bear eat a cow, you know online. Its guts were all hanging out, you could see the despair and pain in its eyes and the bear just dragged it somewhere to eat it alive. Fuck bears man. Humans are natural predators, that's why most have the instinct to kill them quickly and humanely like based tigers. Bears are such gays, anyone who tortures an animal to death genuinely needs to be exterminated.
Yeah that's typical of bears, I've seen one eating a deer alive too. They are cunts.
Bears are delicious unless they just had salmon. Make sure to cook their meat well to kill their parasites.
They dont know how to kill before they eat, somewhere down the line the mothers were killed and the cubs had to survive on their own and they were never taught how to kill like the jaguar. Its not their fault, its actually human hunting that probably caused it many thousands of years ago. Also cow necks are huge and its hard for bears to find the jugular anyways. Dont forget a 2000 lbs steer outweight most bears
which ones? if cows weren't so tasty i would probably feel bad for eating mammals but human rationalization to the rescue
Then buy pea protein and B12, and stop whining about it.
I got 0 problems eating chicken. Fuck chickens. Veal is kind of a different story.
this
chicken are beasts, whereas calves and cows in general are cute and quite soft tempered
chickens will clean bugs out of your yard and give you free eggs if you let them live.
have you ever met a chicken? they're assholes you shouldn't feel bad about eating them
All the places I've been working in, it was dog eats dog, ppl just trying to push each other out for a few shekels or just for kicks. Doesn't matter if it was some piss poor govt office or big buck tech company.
And it always made me smile to see those vitriolic human flesh eating carnivores, after they scapegoated, humiliated and ousted one of themselves, indulging in water cooler discussions on unethical meat eating, exploitation of animals, veganism etc etc.
This clown world newer stops being funny.
Just don't think about it. Enjoy the fact that you are top of the food chain instead of getting hunted by by some big ass hungry predator.
Unless you're lactose intolerant you can just eat a pound of cottage cheese a day for protein.
its not the protein that you need to eat animals for, its the fat.
Thanks for making this thread. I buy the same animal products from the same brands each week, but I just did some research about certifications for humane animal treatment and I'll be buying brands with those certifications now.
Links (USA):
https://www.aspca.org/shopwithyourheart/consumer-resources/meat-eggs-and-dairy-label-guide/understanding-egg-labels
https://www.aspca.org/shopwithyourheart/consumer-resources/meat-eggs-and-dairy-label-guide
Take up hunting. Kill an animal yourself, treat it respectfully, put some berries in its mouth when you leave, butcher it yourself - make clean cuts and package them yourself. You will understand then
Mmm steak.
I would eat a person or my pets just as well.
I don't, they're dumb.
so... we should eat people with down syndrome ?
People don't have very good macros.
This isn't true. Pigs and Cows are about as intelligent as a dog and are capable of self awareness. Chickens are fairly intelligent too.
Taste good too!
Wow a very intelligent and nuanced take from the average meat eating dullard.
based veganfags
sooner or later, whether by choice or by desperation, the masses will understand.
>based veganfags
sooner or later, whether by choice or by desperation, the masses will understand.
understand what? that these basedfags would die in a fight? we already got that. and we already produce their entire food supply
it's ok to feel this way bro. don't let the selfish and foolish self-hating pricks on this site tell you otherwise.
keep loving the little critters who would otherwise be tortured
Eating animals is the only way to keep vaxx damage at a minimum so I'll keep eating them.
>he actually believes this
I'm sorry anon
>vaxx damage
This got old already, move to the next meme, retard.
Highland cattle.
According to my grandparents, I called them "Irlene Kettle" as a child.
Animals literally evolved alongside humans to be eaten by them. Their life cycles and breeding habits changed to reflect on us killing most of them. Anyone telling you to reject millions of years of tradition and a humans purpose in their environment is a bugman
>muh traditions for muh traditions sake
jesus christ you're a dumb fucking moron
>rape is also a tradition based on millions of years of evolution where victors in war took the losers for their amusement by force.
Hope you get raped by a BBC you gay.
>bring up that our bodies have evolved alongside animals to intake meat
>garden gnome immediately brings up morons as a scare tactic
You're not even trying anymore at this point huh?
We hold humans to a higher moral contract because humans have identities. An ego. There’s a handful of species on earth that can think enough that they know that they are present. And we eat none of them.
Cows are vert conscious and present and bulls have a huge ego and are willing to fight to the death. Roosters also fight hard to protect their hens. Pigs are wild and extremely powerful and very much in the moment.
Spend some time around animals and you will see they have personality and social structure hunting tactics, a great deal of emotions. Horses and steer cry from emotional pain. Pigs will go hog wild when attacked. Animals are intelligent enough to survive in the wild naked with no books or teachers or help.
Animals are far superior to humans they just dont have hands to write with, but their language is just as complex as human language. Infact animals can understand human language, but humans cannot understand animal language. And animals can navigate across continents and ovens from memory while humans get lost in the supermarket.
Dont make the mistake of thinking you are superior. Youre just a worthless human until you understand that without all of mother earths creatures the circle of life closes and we fall out of balance then starve.
We are only hear as guardians of the earth the anything that hunts pret and flees danger and values its life is conscious and has ego even the single called organisms in water hunt and flee one another, they have organelles and a sensory system. Go meet with a cow and you will see.
Kys
Humans bred cows, chickens and pigs that we eat into existence.
The fuck are you talking about?
>reading comprehension
bruh
And we extincted the mighty aurochs and extincted the flying rainbow rooster and we hunt the wild boar mercilessly.
We turned beautiful powerful wild animals into retarded dependant inbred slave cattle. Its very sad, you should not be proud. Humans are evil but a necessary evil you dont sound human or smart to me. Just because we enslaved the animals doesnt mean we own them. Doesnt mean they are objects. A person with a soul would know about justice. You have to give animals justice and dignity. Fight the bull hunt the boar catch the chicken. Dont enslave it and breed it into a cattle. Our ancestors would be ashamed. In valhalla thor comes out for the boar hunt. But you go to the store for the bacon, the gods say to respect the animals. If you dont obey the gods then you get your brain hammered maybe not now but we all get judged eventually
Stop LARPing as a fucking druid. Get off the shrooms
You watched too many anthropomorphic cartoons growing up and you are using animals to compensate for your misanthropy.
Narcissistic garden gnome everytime thinks they understand the world. Cant even comprehend the animals ability to think. They only understand money and investment. Hard wired for human society. Really sad
Pretty lukewarm cope. He's right you know and you're little more than a criminal against humanity yet you try and accuse others of garden gnomery with your disney approved take on life.
At least I'm not a criminal against nature, even the Christian god punishes the nature criminals in the stories
muh humanity
muh mankind
humans are all different
there are hundreds of millions of borderline mentally challenged humans who breed until they use all of their natural resources and starve themselves to death
are these humans any better than animals? please just stop pretending there's this unified category that all homo sapiens fit in
some animals are better than humans
>some animals are better than humans
nice try lucifer, everybody knows you're full of shit
#teamPeople
Your dog will never cheat on you and take the kids.
you're competing with other humans for housing, food, land, occupation, the direction of your state governance, and the likelihood of you getting mugged of getting wronged is higher the more human populated your neighborhood is
humans have different levels of empathy and time preference, you're not in a team in you're in a club.
if they are so intelligent, why aren't they trying to escape the farms?
You sound like one of my fuckbuddies for which I pretended to be veggie to get it in and she sounds exactly like you. It was so hard not to break face bros
Mental illness like this is why so many people don't take animal welfare seriously. When some idiot comes up to them with these delusions wrapped in pretentiousness they will disregard all of it completely and eat even more meat out of spite. Tone it down
Humans are machine ants/insects.
I don't think every animal can understand human language, but I do know that ravens can be taught human words.
>anything that hunts pret and flees danger and values its life is conscious and has ego
I can write a computer program that exhibits the same "behavior" with only if/then statements and no neural nets, and I am pretty sure that program isn't conscious. therefore, not every organism that reacts to stimuli is implicitly conscious.
mammals dont flee as default. most of them freeze in the presence of superiority. you can't write a program that assesses dominance within the blink of an eye.
>you can't write a program that assesses dominance within the blink of an eye.
animal.reactToStimuli(animal.observeAnimal(otherAnimal));
observeAnimal(animal){
animal.getTraits();
}
reactToStimuli(traits){
if(traits.size > animal.getSize()){
runAway();
}
}
don't bully my shit pseudo code.
theoretically sound code, except the animals aren't on the net. you have to actually put skin in the game before you can read the information.
just delete animalObjectOne if animalObjectTwo is bigger and attacks, that's virtual skin.
Digimon deserve rights.
big fucking IF. if you can write a self assessment code and IF you can write a foe assessment code.
>implying video games don't already do this.
Digimon deserve rights.
you can't even get women to play digimon anymore. you have no chance once you cross the woodline.
personally, I only download stupid digimon, I won't download an intelligent digimon because they're too human like.
>be american
>get upset
>think of black dick
Rape is not a thing in the natural world. Sexual reproduction is. Animals don't have the ability to consent, and early humans didn't care. We still engage in sexual reproduction. We just seek the consent of our partner first.
Completely different from eating meat.
Not him. Rape actually does exist, or at least some semblance of it. It certainly wasn’t as bad as it is now. They’ve even seen a trauma response in the animals that are being raped and they’re clearly trying to fight off their attackers. That being said animal eating is justified insofar as it’s necessary. Once we figure out the lab grown meat, it will then be pretty fucked up to eat a real animal from a factory farm.
The natural world, its beauty, its balance, its perfection IS trauma and brutality. Part and parcel. You want it to be something it isn't. That's just part of how the whole inconceivably complex system functions. Modern man has a God complex imho if he thinks he will ever escape it and usually his meddling- especially in the age of modern science, causes more harm to nature (and himself) than anything else. Man will obscure this reality (at best) for a time until it comes crashing down on him everytime. Lab grown meat lol. Also there are alot of necessary and important lessons forced on people who have to come face to face with what it takes to live- to kill another animal- and that's a good thing.
Anyways on a purely personal level (no philosophizing), I find bulldozing and permanantly raping thousands of acres of old hardwoods etc. to rowcrop a much greater sin than killing pigs or cows.
Really? I like eating animals.
Just eat a part of a big animal so you have more people to split the feeling of guilt with. Whale meat is delicious and full of proteins. The piece you eat is insignificantly small.
i use to feel the same even though i never went vegan then one time i was watching some nature documentary on acid and this eagle was eating baby ducks out of the nest and i realised that its nature and its perfect. now i hunt around 50% of my meat and i respect the animal but i don't feel bad. i still dislike factory farming.
You can prove humans are carnivores because despite an insanely high level of empathy we still get urges to kill shit. Like the idea that “I can kill this thing easily” and it’s only your consciousness stopping you. An herbivore doesn’t think like that. We are like cats and orcas. Cunts
Mate, a moose will kill you just for fun. Rhinos kill you, rape you and then play with your dead body. Same with hippos.
Most herbivores that are large enough to kill you will do it just for fun. You're just a rag doll to them. They absolutely get killing urges and will even eat smaller animals despite not being able to digest them.
>We are like cats and orcas. Cunts
most based take ITT
Our intelligence can make us more empathetic, but it can also make us more sadistic. How many animals torture their own species?
>An herbivore doesn’t think like that
you don't know
cows eat ground nesting birds that leave their young unattended. why? because it's accessible and delicious.
I feel bad for eating Cows and pigs, they are bros
but no fucks given for chickens and fishies
Then don't. You don't have to. I'll eat your share of animals anyway. But nobody is saying you have to eat them. I wish you would for your own health, but I am more happy we have a choice.
I'm trans btw, not sure if that matters.
Ai moment
Stop pretending to be me.
Hunt your meat bros. Deer, ducks, elk, etc.
You are bypassing globohomo, culling the herd to prevent overpopulation and disease, and partaking in millenia old tradition
I want to eat some of the geese that walk around shitting in my neighborhood but I know the soccer moms would pitch a bitchfit if they saw me wring one's neck. They look plump and tasty and they annoy the fuck out of me waddling in front of my car and shitting when I want to go home.
Geese and wild duck both taste like shit. Wild turkey even has a bad game flavor, that just isn't necessary.
If you want a larger bird that is tasty, Sandhill Crane is where it's at.
get one of them at night
stop consuming so much estrogen and get on trt
you must be western european
biggest cucks on the planet
go have a nice day and feed nature with your decomposing corpse you stupid gay
yet everyone wants to live in their countries
curious...
because they give free gibs to africans and arabs for literally zero purpose other than "noo i need to be heckin nice" and let paki and somali muslims rape their women and get a slap on the wrist (if they even get caught lmao, police there do fucking nothing)
almost everything they do has an aura of cuckness to it, it's insane
don't forget to pay your tv license and bin your knives!! even though the local ahmed gangs kidnap 7 year girls and sell them as sex slaves
we can't punish the non-whites because they're disadvantaged! now check your privilege
joke of an ethnic group, west euro cucks
and yet western europe is the best place to live in, eastern euros nafris and middle easterners from based non western societies doing everything they can in order to move to western countries just proves my point
western euros are cucked but so is everyone else, canadians are cucked up to their nostrils and so are americans with their BLM CRT shit they created
australia is also fucked beyond belief and these are the best places to live in besides western europe lol
all the other euro ex-colonies in the americas/asia/africa are absolute shitholes in comparison
western europe created the best societies to live in
cope seethe mald
enjoy extinction evrocvck
enjoy the global depopulation agenda, moron
west euros own your skin
cope
More for me
you're not supposed to be eating anything that used to be alive or with blood in it, when the earth goes from 3D to 5D or new earth, animals will be vegans you won't see animals killing animals to survive, it'll be like in the bible where it speaks of the animals loving each other and getting along.
You can ONLY survive off living things as a human, dingus. Unless you're able to photosynthesize, which humans aren't, you survive by consuming other living things.
Also:
>be God
>think animals aren't supposed to eat each other
>but design them to eat each other
trololole
Why? Are you a woman?
I don't cause I am a vegetarian.
You sound like a giant gay OP.
Having zero sympathy is so manly.
I don't.
Is veganism literally >muh fee fees?
I grew up partways on a farm, and I think everyone should at least spend some time on one. To me, the people who won't eat meat because it makes them cry are just as bad as the people who carry pocket dogs in purses. They all have an unrealistic and unnatural relationship with animals.
Are you sure you aren't the one with an unrealistic amd unnatural relationship with animals? I mean, you basically kept them as slaves so you could fatten them up and eat their flesh, as well as their children's flesh. Or parasitize them by stealing their milk/eggs.
Yes, I am positive. It's clear by your post that you don't know anything about the life of an animal like a rabbit or a chicken out in the wild. They are constantly pursued and can be ripped apart at any moment.
Somehow that is more deplorable to you than living a nice life full of food and water in a protected environment.
>ummm did you know that ummm akshually, rabbits are prey animals and are hunted in the wild?
Wow. Now that's the sort of knowledge and experience only a born-and-bred corn-fed farm boy could know, I tell ya hwhut! A-hyuck!
No retort. I wish I could say this is interesting.
>I think everyone should live just like me
wow
deep
I dont. I enjoy being at the top of the chain and lean into my animalistic (hehe) side.
my rule is I don't eat any animal flesh capable of intelligence or complex emotions.
So I only eat things like fish and chicken.
Cows are stupid, but you can tell they feel things and can form bonds with human owners.
Pigs are smart and feel things, so no go.
Can't eat crows or ravens (not that most people do) since they have the equivalent intelligence of a human 4 year old and can learn human language to a limited extent.
ok, so you're retarded.
I'm retarded because I don't feel bad for eating meat?
I have family that raise cattle, my point is that other animals eat meat, so it is not strange for humans to do the same
The cow will die and be eaten by something eventually, even if you choose not to eat it
I just use simple language because the truth is not complicated
anon, the defining trait of human beings is intelligence and complex emotion.
If you eat intelligent emotional animals it is tantamount to cannibalism.
Pigs are genetically and anatomically very similar to humans, and supposedly their meat tastes similar to human meat. Pigs are hairless like humans too, how many humans are hairless.
You can give me shit for saying eating a pig is like cannibalism, but it still don't feel right.
>how many humans are hairless.
meant
how many animals are hairless
i consider pork pretty low tier meat, along with chicken. all i really eat off a pig is bacon, unless something is on sale then i'll throw it in the freezer and mix it into my diet at some point.
you've got a better chance of getting people to commiserate with cows or lambs. but those are better nutrition, so i'll eat them first.
wild cats are just as intelligent and social, but they won't hesitate to kill you and feed you to their babies. maybe they are the most intelligent after all, considering idiots like you are in the gene pool.
>considering idiots like you are in the gene pool.
The connection of the internet is selecting for those who can adapt the best to the hyper social reality. Along with a baseline aggression to defend yourself, holding a coherent and defend-able ethical standard is required to "fit in" with huge social groups. All massive social tribes with substandard ethics will dissolve from internal in-cohesiveness. Mass-tribes will break down without a solid ethical basis for their dynamics and culture and begin to fight one another, while those with solid ethical arguments will remain their size and remain dominant.
You think I practice virtuous standards just for the fun of it?
>will remain their size and remain dominant.
will *retain* their size and remain dominant.
no you clearly think virtue is a commodity.
the reality is access to salt and fat. you can afford to be a onions boy right now, because of how convenient our ancestors have made society. you won't bother me though, i like getting fatty cuts for cheap because the consumer demands lean, lol.
Historically "might is right" ideologies have always lost. Because they, while true, ignore human social needs and are therefore ideologically weak, ironically justifying their own defeat, per their own ideals.
Virtue IS a commodity. One of the most valuable on this planet.
Those tribes who do not resolve for robust ethical systems and abide by them degrade and dissolve into infighting, becoming self-defeating.
You talk about salt and fat, but if my tribe is larger than your tribe and can justify taking the salt from you and imprisoning you because you are without morals and act like criminals, then I will win.
yeah, but my tribe makes your food. and your tribe can't communicate if the 5G goes down.
technology can be adapted for, it's not a problem.
by you? or by your buddies? or, oh shit, the rednecks are the guys who make that happen too...
anon, the adaptation that technology (internet, social media) is forcing is the formation of MASSIVE global cyber-tribes. Due to human nature, without good ethics, these tribes will continuously breakdown into infighting and be preyed upon by tribes that could retain their size because they had solid ethical arguments for their tribes culture.
all a few sick days away from outage. you probably cant even set up a home network without letting your OS do it for you. digital communication will be the first thing to go if people get hungry. tearing it down is step one of military coup / operation.
Starlink is virtually impossible to take down, and it's availability is dictated by the USA.
Not only that, but smart phones are still recording.
The new paradigm is one of surveillance and citizen as intelligence analyst.
Every war crime will be documented and eventually independently investigated by millions of people on the internet.
Starlink is private, and you dickskinners hate Elon.
smartphones are recording, but you've got dipshit government employees managing it. the literal weakest clowns on the planet, these fucks will be the first to fail, first to quit, first to starve.
You still haven't caught up with the paradigm shift and reality of information technology and the all seeing eye.
Every transgression is documented and recorded for eternity, every persons real time location is a few internet searches away.
Try to understand what that means.
i've seen the actual backend of your larp fantasy. the guys who can maintain these systems are all either retiring or focusing their energy on building personal farms.
again, communication is the first convenience to go down. salt and fat is going to determine how secure you really are.
>starlink
>elon
>all seeing eye
>larp
>govt
>transgression
on my anime IST board
>salt and fat
ok checks out
I'm always astounded by how IST in particular is disconnected from reality.
Do you truly not recognize the reality of surveillance and social media?
bro I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but please do realize what board (and site) you're on. this isn't 4chan, /b/, IST or whatever other board focuses on this shit.
who am I kidding. every board has this shit.
but still...
can't get IST in the globohomo agenda. critical thinking is a prerequisite for gains.
>critical thinking is a prerequisite for gains.
I do actually agree. but the idiots on this board are incapable of doing so. right, left, center, doesn't matter. idiots across the board (pun unintended).
trolls notwithstanding of course
the special interest propagandists on this board have a vested interest in pretending and acting like certain aspects of the world don't exist and they are an authority on global trends.
It's all bullshit, like the rest of the internet.
Half-baked tribes based on the stupidest shit trying to pull people into their massive failure.
And it works because people are incredibly stupid.
I don't feel bad eating animals, but factory farms are not right
This is a Scottish cow, on an open range, fresh air, good feed
He's a happy cow, and he'll die one day, maybe the coyote or the wolf could eat him, but instead it will feed the hungry people
The eagle and the wolf and the coyote hunt and eat meat, so does man, but if someone doesn't want to eat animals, then I can respect it
It's fine
As long as you eat every part of the animal
For instance Americans eat anuses in the form of hotdogs
Sure just don’t bitch at people who do. I posted about eating octopus and rabid mouth breathing fags replied to me en masse. If you ever want free (You)s talk about eating octopi.
you fucking asshole. octopi are among the most intelligent species on earth, clearly more intelligent than you. i hope the christfags were right now so you can burn in hell.
oh n-
Then eat plants plus animal products.
The patrician choice.
why eat the plants? the animals are better at it than you'll ever be.
Because it's healthier for you the enviroment and also the animals.
>healthier for you
false.
you might as well argue photosynthesis is a coherent diet.
Eating meat is definitely healthier. The law of the jungle says to eat meat, but moral law says not to. So I still eat animals that aren't intelligent. That sits best with my conscience
moral law just says to cull the weak before the strong and fertile.
but you dont hunt or farm, so just take whatever they put on the shelf.
>False
How so?
Cooking meat has been linked to several types of cancer and many meats contain high concentrations of fats and salts.
Fish containing extremely high concentrations of mercury. Pretty much steamed chicken is the only meat that is even remotely good for you and calorie wise it still is nothing compared to tofu, seatant, or tempeh which is exteremly lean and has a much high protein content which is good for burning fat and building muscle.
The only reason retards like
think eating meat is healthier is because he thinks it's "natural" when our current evolutionary and economic niche is no where near where we were when humans actually had to eat meat to survive nore did humans eat meat every single day or month even. Eating meat was a rare delicacy that was typical celebrated by early homosapiens dude to the amount of energy and planning it actually took to trap, hunt and kill prey. Mostly tribal societies lived off forging berries and fruits and get a high concentration of proteins and nutrients from meats when possible.
This is 2023 though and you are no some "le epic hunter" on the savanna. You get your fat, lazy ass up and go to the grocery store like everyone else.
Vegan diets have been proven to be every bit as healthy if not more so than meat eating diets due to their high concentration of nutrients found in plants and low concentrations of fats and sugars/salts.
Seethe.
honestly arguing what is natural for human diet due to our evolution is impossible because all of history is a lie and we did not evolve naturally on this planet but were instead the result of aliens splicing their genes with chimpanzees. Aliens eat information (we read) and chimps eat fruit veggies and meat, like us.
>cancer
we didn't have cancer or cardiovascular diseases until we started consuming vegetable oils. so, try again.
when shit hits the fan, wars will be fought over access to salt and fat.
This is a lie. Cancer is a mutation in genes found in humans and have been with humans and mammals; and animals for as long as we have existed on this planet. What an ignorant statment.
I do agree arguing what is "natural" is dumb as fuck though and not a very good argument and not just because it is fallacious, but, simply what is "natural" changes regularly and the division between "natural/not nature" is a false dichotomy. Though seed theory is not totally out of the question there's no real scientific evidence to believe that it's true.
humans are the first mammal to die from cancer, and only in the last 70 years. but i dont care how much onions you suck, more meat for me.
You realize how dumb what you are saying is right? You are saying that cel regeration errors didn't exist in animals for millions and millions and millions and millions of years.
Just your average day as a retard meat eater:
https://www.history.com/news/oldest-cancer-triassic-fossil
cancer is inherent to mammals, humans are the first to find a way to die from it circa 70 years ago.
False.
wrong.
No u.
>Cancer is a mutation in genes found in humans and have been with humans and mammals;
damage to DNA can trigger the mutation of cancer genes. it's why radiation usually causes cancer, because it greatly damages DNA. Some molecular compounds found in certain foods also cause damage to DNA, but nowhere near as much as radiation.
Mutations and errors also occur naturally though. I agree a lot of this shit that gets pumped out today is more responsible for cancer (most of it is certainly processed meat garbage anyways) but to say cancer didn't exist prior to the lat 70 years is hilariously dumb.
for more cancer*
>but to say cancer didn't exist prior to the lat 70 years is hilariously dumb.
I wasn't that anon, me someone else.
Yeah I got that, anon. No worries.
I do too. Until I smell meat cooking.
I don't. Organisms consume each other on this planet that's how it works here
Eventually, everyone and everything dies, including cute and nice animals.
The way I look at it, treat all animals very well, and once it's time, kill them with mercy and make sure nothing goes to waste.
I unironically get indirectly motivation from the animals I eat - you literally gave your life (not willingly but still lmao) so that I could live, what right do I have to waste my life then?
I feel the same, OP, but the concept of cattle has changed the biological history of the planet, and dropping it would have serious consequences for the environment apart from the world’s economy impact.
We can only reduce meet ingestion, cannot go full vegetarian.
>Verification not required.
then go full bug already. i'm already paying out the ass for beef, can't wait for prices to drop.
>can't wait for prices to drop
They will, anon. They will.
they wouldn't live in the first place if we weren't gonna eat them.
aliens on flying saucers are having this same conversation about humans telepathically right now and one of them just said this.
Do aliens eat humans?
Did aliens bread humans to eat them?
Will humans die off because of starvation if they aren't eaten?
Humans give livestock life so that they can in turn take their lives after some time in order to live themselves. Sounds like a good system to me.
Well, if the aliens were just gonna eat meat they could just eat animals. Humans have complex consciousness and some intelligence unlike animals, so if we are farm food for aliens the aliens probably eat our minds.
I do too, but I have to do it
I only eat chickens because they are dickheads. Cows are too cute.
I have very little empathy towards animals
Lots of empathy for humans though
imo all those animal rights people who care more about animals than people had something go wrong in their evolution
The only reason you care about some animals is because they slightly resemble babies and you instinctively find them cute. OP pic is an example of that.
No other reason to care about them. I mean we can treat them humanely alright but you don't have to overdo it with your pity
It doesn't really matter why people think animals shouldn't be abused. That is kind of a no sequiter.
Animals should deff have rights. I am will to say that milk and cheese isn't as bad as meat and I am willing to agree that, as long as the practice is ethical, people and companies should be able to benifit off this mutual relationship that has existed with animals and humans for hundreds of thousands of years, but, I think meat eating deff should be against the law and animals should have basic rights like all living things. Right to life, right to not have their autonomy impeded upon (by us) and right to not be killed.
all that bs, but you probably still support abortion.
Kek, A Fetus is not a living breathing conscious animal. A fetus is about as intelligent as a plant.
Imagine all that crying about a zygote but eating something with the intelligence of a 3 year old child. You mad though?
I think the main thing is that if there was no intervention the fetus would become intelligent.
So what? You still kill animals, or, support killing animals which are 100% conscious and intelligent and bitch about something that is not. That argument falls apart when juxtaposed with meat eating. Conservatives are literally brainlets.
>why do you prefer your own species over others
mental illness
life of convenience, no actual threats to compete against. competing against their food sources themselves out of an existential angst for being robbed of the opportunity to thrive.
>no actual threats to compete against
Human threats are themselves and their technology. Big and real threats too.
you are about as intelligent as a plant, but i would still call your untimely death an act of murder. humans are special, animals are not. starve in a corner, more meat for me.
at least plants ensure their own survival / progeny.
>Humans are special
No we are not. This bs anthropocentrism has been debunked over and over again all through out history.
>We're special we're the center of the universe
>Actually we're one star among billions orbiting out start in one solar system among billions....in one galaxy....in one universe....
There's literally nothing special about humans.
>there's nothing special about humans
We're smart enough to escape the matrix
animals are computer programs.
that said digimon deserve rights too.
I think it's pretty stupid to say there's nothing special about humans as if we don't already know you must be one, or have been created by one, to use language so proficiently.
But this is IST, so I imagine you'll claim to be a crow who happened upon an open laptop just to win the argument.
I do too slightly, but as long as theyre well treated and killed quickly and humanely then i dont mind, its just nature to eat prey animals, especially if you havent formed some sort of bond with them, as then it'd be betrayal. I do feel some concern for chicken as its very hard to avoid battery chicken. I also on principle dont eat veal, as its just excessively/comically cruel.
Yes we are. We are made in God's image, we are the only truly intelligent life. An ape, elephant, orca or dolphin may have the intelligence of an 8 year old, and a dog, cat or horse may have the intelligence of a 4 year old, but nothing is as smart or complex as a adult man, although a certain group from a certain continent are almost intelligent animal tier.
There is no good loser. Sorry to inform you.
I know life is scary and difficult but having imaginary friends to cling to in times of hardship is just cringe. Be a man
Fish and chicken are dumb
Cows are sweet babies I don’t go near their flesh
beef, lamb, bison, any ruminants are the most coherent food for you. humans were built to eat them.
Chickens are actually quite intelligent. Fish is fair enough, but, mercury and over fishing is a huge issue.
>mercury and over fishing is a huge issue.
farming fixes both those problems.
>Chickens are actually quite intelligent.
source?
are actually quite intelligent.
>source?
their males kill and ward would be predators, their females focus on fertility.
more intelligent than half of the turds in this thread on those two points alone.
https://petkeen.com/how-intelligent-are-chickens/
They have almost all the sighns of intelligence that other animals have such as cows and pigs. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how intellegent a crow is.
>Cows are sweet babies I don’t go near their flesh
they're also completely useless if you aren't going to eat them.
even if not eating cows was the moral thing to do
this
would probably be true for cows outside India.
I saw a cow eat a baby bird, then loll about in the field, apparently extremely pleased by the snack. In that moment I understood everything I needed to know about the food chain. I show my animals care and concern during their life, then give them a swift, painless death they don't see coming.
They are really cute and intelligent but also tasty and nutritious.
Circle of life.
eat properly then. avoid trash food made cheap.
That's why I only eat seafood, fermented dairy, and eggs.
Then don't.
It’s so CUTE ahdhsmsjxnsjsjsksms
The only animals I'd feel bad eating are a dog's or horses.
Honestly in a survival situation it seems like a complete waste to kill an animal for food when you can survive off its milk instead. Constant meat consumption is a symbol of decadence. I don't even like it *that* much if I was eating out and I had the choice between a steak or cheese pizza, I'd enjoy the pizza more.
inb4 raging lardass.
>NOOOOOO you can't abort that fetus it's killing a living being
>But that pig over there that's more intelligent than a toddler? Yeah torture it and eat it
I find it fascinating that the humans who see themselves as mere animals- act the most like animals, while simultaneously sympathizing MORE with animals than their own kind.
Coffee table philosophy aside though- the motivation for most abortions is modtly to do with lifestyle and comfort. Let's not pretend otherwise. If a piglet posed the same risk to lifestyle and comfort as an infant, the piglets would be slaughtered by these same people with even more imputiny (if that can even be imagined).
>I find it fascinating that the humans who see themselves as mere animals- act the most like animals, while simultaneously sympathizing MORE with animals than their own kind.
I find it fascinating you think this is a good point
>be me
>eat steak
>don't care