I just got diagnosed with ADHD

How much will pic rel fuck with my gains?

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot. What's your diet like?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty good. I maintain 300 cal surplus most of the year during bulks then IF for cuts every ~3 months. Im just worried it will reduce my appetite

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's good for gainz but as far as nutrition, are you getting enough B vitamins? B12 is linked to brain functions like attention span and memory. Best way to cover your blindspots naturally is animal products, eggs and red meat especially. I can link a good vid if you want to hear it from a professional and give his advice a try before using legalized meth kek

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Adhd isn't something that a diet change is going to fix senpai.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It absolutely is. Where did you hear otherwise? Every single new "disease" has popped up in the past hundred years when our diet and physical activity just so happened to change. You can't trust the word of companies making profit off of selling literal meth.
            I know it's difficult to dismiss the trust in authority figures like "official" organizations, but I literally had "ADD" diagnosed in fifth grade and I thank God every day that my parents didn't give me that poison. It will make you an addict anon, please listen. What do you have to lose? The opportunity to pay a multibillion dollar brand for the privilege of brainfog and chemical dependence?
            I swear to you, the condition is not something inborn or genetic or irreversible. It's a syndrome. Just give this a try before you irreversibly fuck your life up on Adderall or one of its sister medications: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdaJkQfUdYg&ab_channel=Dr.EricBergDC

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Holy fuck i love that Dr. He's extremely IF pilled

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >person titled “doctor” going against the widely held consensus
              >chiropractor
              Every time.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              You absolute dumbfuck, no shit new diseases are going to be identified as we learn more and since we stopped just saying “fuck it, it’s demonic possession” about everything.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I swear to you, the condition is not something inborn or genetic or irreversible
              there are objective differences in brain function you fucking dipshit
              https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1485446

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Believing the drug pushers at your local clinic. Diet is related to nearly all health conditions. Doctors spend between 0 and 24 hours learning about nutrition throughout the entirety of med school.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              What food can I eat that will raise my dopamine baseline levels by about 20x?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                20x huh? What does your average day look like? Walk me through it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                An unmedicated ADHD day of a student looks like this:
                >wake up
                >immediately barraged by the urge to eat sugar and look up video game shit
                >resist
                >Make 8 cups of coffee to have all to myself (common ADHD cope)
                >lift (I enjoy this, so not distracted by anything)
                >enjoy a postworkout shake combined with a sugary food item (the one time of day I can enjoy an insulin spike)
                >open book to study
                >open 18 youtube tabs
                >fuck, close them, and get back to studying
                >open 7 youtube tabs
                >Fuck, back to studying
                >open steam and browse the store
                >fuck, back to studying
                >get 1 hour of fragmented studying (if that) done in 4 hours
                >pop in headphones, listen to music
                >Watch more youtube
                >Look at the clock
                >It's 10:00pm, the entire day felt like 10 minutes, and 99% of the day was dillydallying
                >Feel depressed over this fact and feel like shit
                >Go to bed
                >Try to sleep, but hand keeps reaching for phone every 3 minutes
                >Finally pass out at 2:00 AM
                >Wakeup and repeat

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, yes, you're one of those "diet fixes everything"-gays.

              >Doctor, my leg is broken because I fell down the stairs!
              >Clearly you suffer from a Vitamin deficiency!

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                not a good example because vitamin D and calcium deficiency would actually cause your bones to weaken, esp in elderly

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                haha retard

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hey Anon, Can you help me out with the D.V of Vit B12? garden gnomegle is saying 2.4 mcg per day but I doubt that, what do you recommend taking daily/weekly? I eat 2000mg Vit C tab daily to unfuck the loose skin I have developed by smoking cigarettes since I was 16.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Post link plz anon

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It will reduce your appetite by quite a bit. Do not do it. Just put your phone away and focus.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          the first week or so it is indeed hard to eat. becomes fine though. Currently bulking on Addy.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ADHD is bullshit. Made up disease for garden gnomes to sell pills

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      ADHD is bullshit to people who don't have it. Most shrinks are also pretty reluctant to prescribe stims, and only do so after attempting behavioral therapy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        OP probably hyped up his "symptoms", paid the quack, and got a prescription.
        Modern doctors are just drug dealers.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You sound like a very intelligent person who is equal to, or above, a doctor in your knowledge of physiology and psychology. Truly a king among men.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            why do you give doctors the benefit of the doubt and think they are smart and want to help people? Most doctors I know are depressed assholes, similar to teachers, most of them head to the bar as soon as their shift is over and bitch about people. I would consider smart people to be anyone who works from home.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No it’s bullshit. Imagine if you had ADD <1954. You were told to deal with it and move on. It’s literally made up BS because you’re lazy and undisciplined

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >because you’re lazy and undisciplined
          Posts like this are what gives me conviction to take stims. You fags love to kick a man who's down, and will always find a way to be a little crab in the bucket to attack people trying to escape a prison of their own minds.

          No retard, ADHD isn't a "just stop being lazy bro" problem. Some people have major imbalances in dopamine and serotonin levels.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Some people have major imbalances in dopamine and serotonin levels.
            Wow, I guess those people probably shouldn’t take stimulants. How many brainscans and biopsies did the doctors perform on you to determine you have these imbalances by the way? I assume they didn’t just ask you a bunch of questions.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who told you that? The shrink that talked to you 5x before they gave you a pill so you got the fuck out of their office and they could say they "helped"? Get the fuck out of here

            I'm not trying to kick you while you're down. I'm trying to help you you loser. You're taking literal cocaine its just regulated and Pfizer makes money off of it not the black man so they made it illegal.

            The literature talks about distractibility and emotional outburst that characterize ADHD as early as 1902 by British pediatrician Sir George Frederic, “an abnormal defect of moral control in children.” -He found that some affected children could not control their behavior the way a typical child would, but they were still intelligent.-
            ADHD is one of the most studied psychiatric "disorders" ever recognized.
            Personally I think we just don't get enough exercise, school is boring, and also there are too many modern day entertainment distractions. Its just nature.

            Disorders are all made up bullshit. "Chemical Inbalance" yeah okay thats all made up. Of course your brain measures different levels if you're happy and sad. Congratufucking lations doctor glad your brain machine figured that people in good moods exert certain chemicals and people in bad moods exert other ones.

            moron, I take adderall about 5 days/week only 20mg and it hits like a truck every single time. Almost a year since I started taking.

            So you are now addicted to a prescription based medication you never needed you're entire life. Hopefully the supply chain never breaks down for you anon.

            >you’re lazy and undisciplined

            Only when I’m not on stims. You are correct that my parents failed to craft me into a productive person. But it’s like forgetting to put wheels on a car. The addy is the wheels. Just cuz i have to pay a garden gnome a bunch of money to get wheels doesn’t mean just not having wheels is a realistic option.

            It is. You just don't know how to live life without pills. You are a drug addict. Doesn't matter that you're drug is legal. You are no better than an alcoholic or pothead.

            You have no clue what you're talking about and just heard somebody else say that. Don't speak out your ass bro

            I'm 100% right, debate me gay. I know more than you

            t. My parents tried to tell me I was on ADHD and I refused to take anything and sold the pills and I"m fine now. 4 kids. 33 years old. Job making 140,000$/year. Hunt fish and garden 50% of my food. Not addicted to any substance except arguably coffee. Get on my level.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >you're addicted to drugs, loser
              kek. I'm not addicted, I take it when I want to. And it gets me high every single time. Taken myself off it voluntarily when I felt it wasn't hitting as hard. Keep seething my moron.
              >t. high IQ drug enjoyer

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you aren't addicted than it wouldn't be a big deal for you to just never take it again you're entire life, right? No big deal if I just rip your baby cocaine away from you right?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Correct.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Although I must clarify that I am a boomer (31 y.o.) and definitely do not endorse children under 18 taking it.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's a difference between "I want to keep taking a drug because it helps me" and "I want to keep taking a drug because I get withdrawal symptoms otherwise". My grandma takes Hydromorphone against the pain caused by her crippling arthritis, does that mean she's an opiate addict? My grandfather takes heart medication to prevent a heart attack, does that make him addicted to that drug?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
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              Again, you're just undisciplined. Life isn't that hard. You wake up, work out, go to work/school. Eat. Take a few good shits. Pay your bills and remember to have fun. If you are soooo distracted than cut out distractions. How about if you do a job that isn't 'suitable'--then find a job that is. I mean holy fucking cope. You fucking people will do anything to justify your drug addicted except admit that it is a drug addiction, get off your pills. Be a real man about shit, exercise some discipline, and move the fuck on. You all honestly sound very week both emotionally and physically. I would kill myself before I ever got addicted to any of these drugs. I would rather die than admit to people I am a drug addict. You better fucking hope the supply chain never breaks down, but hey on the bright side at least maybe you'd get a fucking boner again you worthless drug addicts.

              You gotta be american, right?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck yeah. I'm from the greatest country on earth and proud of it. I had normal boomer garden gnomeed parents who just did whatever the school system and other authority figures told them. They didn't discipline me. They tried to get me hooked on pills when I got bad grades. They bought me everything I ever wanted. Because if they didn't I would torture them by taking a shit in their room or just screaming non-stop for 6 hours so they couldn't sleep. I did a huge 180 and learned how to be a real man with discipline and honor and integrity and started working out and hunting and fishing all on my own watching Jordan Peterson and listening to Opie and Anthony and the Joe Rogan experience. My parents always say "everything worked out in the end" and credit themselves but it had nothing to do with them. 90% of people on this earth so fucking easily manipulated it isn't even funny. I learned that lesson early and just started to be the one taking advantage of them. Thats why I have a hot trad wife, 4 kids, and am where I am today and I make good money doing jack shit. I don't even really do my job anymore I just shitpost and do chores around the house and play with my kids. Not shitposting when I say ADD is fake though. It is and you fell for the meme because you have shit parents or are one of those 90% easily manipulated yourself. There are more sheep in this world than wolves and you are one of the sheep. So why don't you baa baa baa back to your doctor and get a re-up so you can stay focused on this tab and not go play call of Duty or watch nasty porn like most other people our age. God damnit I'm glad I grew up in the 90s before I had to deal with all this liberal bullshit. Zoomers and Consooomers are seriously worthless and the ass zits of society.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                caveat: I don't listen to Jordan Peterson anymore, he lost my respect when he started taking drugs to fix his issues like a gay

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                The ADHD problem in children can be solved by not giving your kids fucking smartphones or unlimited computer/vidya access. Make them use their brains to entertain themselves and they will become gigachad intellectuals relative to the average normling.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hurrr I don't have ADHD and look how good I am
                >my retard parents misdiagnosed me, therefore ADHD doesn't exist!

                Nice blog gay. Too many kids getting diagnosed with mental shit doesn't make the overall condition fake, just like doctors overprescribing penicillin doesn't make bacterial pneumonia fake. You're a normal fag that got by in life, we're all really proud of you bud. I love how you think getting misdiagnosed with ADHD gives you some zero-to-hero story. Lmao shut the fuck up, you're like someone who got misdiagnosed with cancer going on some tirade about how fake cancer is. Kys

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Holy fuck I wish bipolar or schizophrenia on you. I have a debilitating mental illness and could sure as hell beat the fuck out of you.

                >comparing cancer to adhd

                Cancer is literally a measurable disease in your body. The difference is I can go in to the shrink with you and they can diagnose me with ADD (since I know how to get them to) and diagnose you, and you'll take their silly pills and change your life. Me? I'll take their pills, flush them all down the toilet, and still be more successful, with absolutely no remorse or care in the world, just to prove a point. That is the difference, You are trusting, you trust people. You accept what people say with no critical thinking. You probably think politcians care about you and want whats best for you too? Or that your best friend wouldn't fucking murder you for 1,000,000$ if he knew he would get away with it. The fact of the matter is the only thing that fucking matters is money. Money money money. The more money you get, the more you realize its all anyone cares about and they'll destroy you if it means they can get more in their pocket. So stop being a fucking pussy and giving your money away and getting hooked on a drug. That is part of their plan. No different than Ford trying to get you to buy their cars over and over and over since you trust them and "couldn't live without it" you can, you've just never tried.

                Holy fuck I wish bipolar or schizophrenia on you. I have a debilitating mental illness and could sure as hell beat the fuck out of you.

                whatever you say kid. You won't do shit. If you do I'll just have my wife take your pills and flush them so then you'll be in the clink without your pills. Lets see you try to lack focus when all you have to do is count the grains of sand in the brick and how many times Tyrone raped you

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >talks shit about beating the fuck out of people
                >cries and goes to police when someone actually threatens to kick his teeth in

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s how I make money. Keep talking shit til I get hit. Then I call my Lawyer

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Internet tough guy
                >mutts law BBC posting

                Love how this gay thinks his "advice" is valuable lmao

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >t.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                why are americans like this

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Philosophical individualism and hyper-competitiveness have purged any sense of empathy or selflessness from the average mutt.

                Notice how he provides no tangible solutions with any desire to help others, and can only talk about himself non stop? America is an entire nation filled with these pieces of shit.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                1st part is correct

                2nd part is wrong. The solution is individualism and lack of empathy

                Not sure why people “want what’s best for everyone”. The key to success in life is not relying on anyone, hard work, and taking advantage of retards. Hard stop

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                it is a sort of affirmational self-projection. The said poster attempts to project a badass image of himself on this website in the hopes that it will change his IRL behavior and make him into said person.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Again, your brain is healthy and you're just projecting your own worldview onto those with debilitating focus issues. To people like you (fucking normie), it is literally unfathomable that someone could have a major assignment deadline coming up, and said person just plays vidya, faps, or fucks around in other ways as an adaptive mechanism to a major dopamine and serotonin imbalance of the brain. I know people like you will always judge and see only a man who's "lazy" or a "loser", and never question the underlying dynamics behind what might have put that person in such a position.

              That's what gives me conviction in taking stims. Whatever the fuck it takes to reach my goals. Ignorant fucks like you are what most of the world is composed of, so I know that all that matters at the end of the day is to have a degree hanging on my wall and a $100k+ salary to get by. I'd rather be called a successful meth head than a dropout. So fuck you

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dude you're literally addicted to baby cocaine beause a shrink told you you need his special garden gnome pills to focus and you're calling me a normie

                LMFAO

                > you're just projecting your own worldview onto those with debilitating focus issues
                I'm telling you you need to grow a pair of balls and focus and if you don't I'll fucking beat the shit out of you. How do you like them apples weak gay? I don't think you'll have trouble focusing after I beat the living fuck out of you. You'll go shit I need to focus or that guy is going to beat the fuck out of me again

                > it is literally unfathomable that someone could have a major assignment deadline coming up, and said person just plays vidya, faps, or fucks around in other ways as an adaptive mechanism to a major dopamine and serotonin imbalance of the brain

                This is called being immature and undisciplined. You are paying 3000$ for the ability to take that test and you are whining you have video games to distract you. If I make a 3000$ investment, I'm not fucking playing video games. I'm capitalizing on that investment

                >I'd rather be called a successful meth head than a dropout.
                Whatever you say drug addict. If you are literally dropping out of school without cocaine than you have major fucking issues and a drug addiction. And I bet people like you wonder why you can't get girls. Because they see a weak man dependent on his happy drugs to live a successful life. Respect is earned. You have done nothing to earn it. Here is an experiemnt. Stop taking that shit for 6 months and have the sheer will, grit, determination, and fortitude to power through that shit. If you can't, honestly just kill youself. The world would be better off without weak men like you reproducing. I'm sorry your parents failed you btw

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Holy fuck I wish bipolar or schizophrenia on you. I have a debilitating mental illness and could sure as hell beat the fuck out of you.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for validating everything I said. I enjoy these conversations with normal gay bucket crabs. It's interesting how the bucket crab never provides an alternative solution, he can only in insecure fashion snip at others' feet.

                Here's the deal - you're insecure about the little guy going rags-to-riches. What do competitive people want? For their competition to be weaker, easier prey. In this case, people taking adderal having more degrees hanging on walls, more apt businessmen, and more driven men with higher salaries being more social. There is no doubt in my mind that you have zero positive, empathetic, or uplifting intention behind your words. You are in essence bothered by another man improving the circumstances of his life. In other words, a colossal normal fag.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                why do you care so much about money

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >why do you care so much about the sole determiner of value in a capitalist society
                gee I wonder why he cares

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >disagree with someone
                >can't prove them wrong because you know they're right
                >procceed 2 call them a redditor

                Like clockwork

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but I have to agree with him. Yeah people should stop jacking off and playing video games and have some self control. But if they can’t and need legal meth to do it, I fail to see the problem.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You shouldn't get into the habit of using a cheat code every time you need to succeed. There are sometimes in life where you need to figure shit out for yourself without drugs, help from others, or anything like that, just good ol' fashioned hard work and brainpower. That is my issue with these people. They've basically entered a cheat code to get all the maps, the clock, and the rooster unlocked in Diddy Kong Racing, instead of doing it the real way

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are really stupid. It's almost impressive. Adderall is amphetamine which is nothing even close to cocaine.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >major assignment deadline coming up, and said person just plays vidya, faps, or fucks around
                been there, done that, then I decided to stop being a lazy gay
                missed out on shrinky time and legal crack though

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                My parents used to hit me with a stick if I don't study for my tests. Your generation are just lazy

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              You sound like a moron. Nice LARP. I think massa needs to break you better, buck.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Go slurp moron cum american. I hope your kids get shot while doing their maths in skewl.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              you doing okay man? need someone to chat to?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Not addicted to any substance except arguably coffee.
              It's common to self-medicate with coffee or sugar if you have ADHD

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                every american has adhd then

                >You all sound very weak

                Of course, because it IS a weakness, a disability, much like being born blind or with only one leg. It's a weakness that can be easily fixed, though. And there's no shame in admitting that and getting the help you need to perform in life.

                And it's not a matter of discipline, really. It's a fundamentally broken system of natural stimulants in a person's brain that causes them to be physically incapable of concentrating. Telling them to "be more disciplined" is essentially like saying to a person in a wheelchair: "Just stand up, bro!"

                >having add is like being born blind or with 1 leg
                No. Everyone has ADD. Not everyone is born without the sense of sight.

                Depends. It's a massively overdiagnosed illness and most gays who claim to have it don't, but there are cases in which it's actually genuine. Same applies to depression, btw.

                And yes, stims do help a lot at the gym. When I'm on 20 mg of Dexedrine, I can lift 40 lbs more than usual and do cardio much longer.

                Depression is also bullshit. Here is what I don't get about people with depression. Why don't you just stop being depressed? Like you're allowed to be sad or have a bad day, but this whole "I can't get out of bed" shit is such a 1st world problem. I hope all people with depression become homeless, they'll find some motivation to get up and walk around real fucking quick when its -4 degrees and they have no food shelter or water

                Nice b8 m8, had me at first by comparing drug users to transsexuals but I died by the Bible thumping at the end

                I'm 100% serious. The best drug is sobriety

                you doing okay man? need someone to chat to?

                I'm doing fine. I just think most mental health 'disorders' are bullshit and dumb people take pills to fix something that isn't broken.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              quality bait

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >imbalances in dopamine and serotonin levels
            Literally doesn’t exist.
            https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2022/jul/no-evidence-depression-caused-low-serotonin-levels-finds-comprehensive-review

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The literature talks about distractibility and emotional outburst that characterize ADHD as early as 1902 by British pediatrician Sir George Frederic, “an abnormal defect of moral control in children.” -He found that some affected children could not control their behavior the way a typical child would, but they were still intelligent.-
          ADHD is one of the most studied psychiatric "disorders" ever recognized.
          Personally I think we just don't get enough exercise, school is boring, and also there are too many modern day entertainment distractions. Its just nature.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I concur with the sentiment here. But would add it's possibly also an epigenetic adaptation to an unstable environment in childhood. Dr. Gabor Mate wrote a book about this and it seems compelling.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you’re lazy and undisciplined

          Only when I’m not on stims. You are correct that my parents failed to craft me into a productive person. But it’s like forgetting to put wheels on a car. The addy is the wheels. Just cuz i have to pay a garden gnome a bunch of money to get wheels doesn’t mean just not having wheels is a realistic option.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You have no clue what you're talking about and just heard somebody else say that. Don't speak out your ass bro

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i have “adhd” and took shlombergs meth therefore i am qualified to talk about this subject and you’re not

            This is like arguing with a chud

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          ADHD is made worse and more prevalent because of our modern decadent way of life facilitating ADHD like behaviour you dribbling idiot

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          There were more professions suitable for people with ADD/ADHD back in the day than now, which is why it wasn't such a problem back then.
          And sure, kids are over diagnosed with ADD/ADHD simply because they're dumb as fuck and modern society can't call people stupid anymore. But when someone has great grades in childhood and adolescence, and get diagnosed as an adult, it's probably the real deal.

          Is there a correlation between nofap/porn addiction and ADHD?
          Would I be more focused if I wasn't jerking off every night?

          There's a correlation between all kinds of addictions and ADHD. Because it's primarily a disorder of the reward system. That whole concentration aspect really should be considered secondary.

          t. engineer with ADD

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There were more professions suitable for people with ADD/ADHD back in the day than now, which is why it wasn't such a problem back then.

            Exactly. You can still be a craftsman, operate a machine or hunt an animal if you have untreated ADHD. Being an engineer is quite a lot harder, though.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >if you had some issue several decades ago, they would have just told you to do nothing about it and suck it up
          >therefore, it is made up and doesn'te xist
          >source: I'm a dipshit and I believe other retards on my burmese quilting forum who are all schizophrenic and say any and all mental illnesses are made up by the garden gnomes
          thanks for the shitpost you stupid moron

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          bro back in the day they drilled holes in your head if you had a headache

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >because you’re lazy and undisciplined
          >ok I'm gonna take pills that help me stop being lazy and undisciplined
          >nooooooo don't
          Lmao. Every time

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pharmagoy cope i got perscribed after a 5 minute conversation reading off symptoms because i wanted free addy in hs.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        moron I could easily, genuinely, get diagnosed with ADHD. I have all the symptoms, I'm just not so much of a gay that I blame some made up disorder for my problems

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >genuinely
          Maybe easily, but not genuinely. Being a fraudulent gay doesn't stop ADHD from being a real condition.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No. I'm right, you're dumb. Shut the fuck up you cunt

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wasted quads

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Digits confirm

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        There are services like keeps for ADHD. You have a virtual doctor visit. It’s 70$ a month for a prescription. Hilariously easy

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >most shrinks are reluctant to prescribe stims
        my doctor gave me them in 7th grade along with lexipro and i swear unspeakable things would happen if i saw her again

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based - fuck globohomo garden gnome big pharma, if dubs Christ is King.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mfw

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Amen

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends. It's a massively overdiagnosed illness and most gays who claim to have it don't, but there are cases in which it's actually genuine. Same applies to depression, btw.

      And yes, stims do help a lot at the gym. When I'm on 20 mg of Dexedrine, I can lift 40 lbs more than usual and do cardio much longer.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      fuck you gay the man just wants legal amphetamines
      SSRIs are the gay and gnomish drug that don't do anything, adderall is COOL

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        t. low iq garden gnome pill consumer who finds it easier to believe what ~~*THEY*~~ say rather than cope with the fact that he is a drug addict for the rest of his life because he let some con artist he met 3x hook him on pills

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Get off your high horse. I'm sure you have your vices as well.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Incorrect. I'm perfect.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, It's an american scam.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        so true

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bruh you just got prescription preworkout

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Adderall pre-workout is pretty based.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can cause extreme blood pressure spikes. I got really bad floaters in my eyes from that. Not advisable.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a correlation between nofap/porn addiction and ADHD?
    Would I be more focused if I wasn't jerking off every night?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Try it yourself.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most likely, porn and masturbation stimulate large amounts of dopamine which makes menial low dopamine tasks less relevant.

        wrong you retards people develop adhd in their childhoods not when they are horny teens

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          People develop adhd when they give up on self reflection

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      nope

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most likely, porn and masturbation stimulate large amounts of dopamine which makes menial low dopamine tasks less relevant.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t think a correlation with actual adhd but you’re probably giving yourself symptoms of adhd by excessive porn use.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    These things will be great for a while (couple months tops) and then the problems start. And the problems will be worse than anything you have now

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Congratulations, you're now permacutting whether you want to or not. Went on adderall when pandemic began and went skeleton mode within a few months. Be aware, this stuff stops working very quickly and the tolerance/recovery from it is brutal

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      moron, I take adderall about 5 days/week only 20mg and it hits like a truck every single time. Almost a year since I started taking.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It does fuck with appetite though. Usually feast pretty heavy in the morning before I take it (prepping food night before is helpful) and at night before bed.
        You can eat during the day too but it is harder, kind of like doing a workout. Got to shove the motherfuckers down and swallow.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a year
        Shut the fuck up retard, that's early days. You're going to eat your words.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's been about 7 years since I first started taking it. I just said a year because I took 6 months off before that.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Suck my sweaty nuts dyel moron

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            K drug addict

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Lots of talk from a mutt addicted to slurping up moron cum

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tolerance takes years and recovery is almost instant. Won't even show up in your pee after two or three days. It's a great drug and I wouldn't be where I am without it, but people like to exaggerate the effects. It gives you focus, fucks your sleep and appetite, and could go either way for your dick. That's pretty much it. There is no good reason it should be a schedule II or even iii drug.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are confused. Metabolic clearance from your system =/= tolerance reset. Tolerance happens in a matter of weeks FYI, I can tell you this from being on every stimulant-type ADHD medications under the sun since I was 8, constantly rotating and dialed up due to tolerance issues. Additionally, resetting dopaminergic tolerance is legendarily brutal and long, manifesting as persistent anhedoniam--- anecdotally, I have had to go through it many times over the years and it IS brutal. If and when you decide to dry yourself out, just know what you're in for, and that it will take a very long time to be "normal" again. You may be able to function normally again after a month off, but the reward system, hedonic tone, and general sense of pleasure can be blunted for months or longer. In terms of persistent anhedonia, stimulants are known to have a worse post-acute-withdrawal-syndrome than even heroin, and PAWS is the operative thing here--- you can have acute withdrawal symptoms gone in a month but there are ones that last far longer

        Also you should know that amphetamines are very neurotoxic on their own and additionally the byproducts of elevated dopamine cause massive oxidative stress in the brain (DOPAC, specifically). One of the sustainability issues of long-term stimulant use is literal neurological damage that accumulates and is unavoidable. Chronic stimulant is literally among the most evil marketing/lobbying successes in the history of pharmaceuticals and it was never meant to be taken continuously in any context

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          So (heavy) coffee drinkers are fucked too?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not to go full soi here, but do you have any studies showing long term cerebral damage from amphetamines. I ask because you sound like you've done adequate research

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not to go full soi here, but do you have any studies showing long term cerebral damage from amphetamines. I ask because you sound like you've done adequate research

          Also, I remember reading a study suggesting that short term Adderall can be incredibly powerful as a therapeutic behavioral change tool. It went something like
          >Go on stims
          >Sudden increase in abilty to focus on studying, work, arduous tasks, etc...
          >Said arduous tasks rewire your neurological circuitry and build work ethic as a habit
          >Stop taking stims
          >Profit

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/8kt2pFb.jpg

            How much will pic rel fuck with my gains?

            Is this shit like fake nattys except for grad school?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That would be the dream... I'm worried that if I stay on addy too long it'll permanently fuck up my neurochemistry enough that the tools and habits I've been forming won't be enough to offset the potential damages done.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >from being on every stimulant-type ADHD medications under the sun since I was 8
          I don't think you'll find anyone here who agrees with medicating children. Comparing starting adderal in your late 20s vs an 8yr old child with a developing brain taking these are not the same thing.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Interested, its good for cutting you say?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, adderall was originally designed to be a weight-loss drug.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No fricking way

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty fricking incredible, isn't it? Life is a trip. Every day I am blown away.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have fun feeling full at 1300 cals a day until youre a twig.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Yes, it is difficult, especially at first. But you can overcome this limitation by feasting in the morning before you take the Addy and at night right before you go to bed when it has worn off. Having some calorie-dense options like milk and some goy feed like corn dogs helps avoid sickness from under-recovery (overtraining).
      >t. roon + lift + addy

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I've tried so many times to improve my focus and stop being a fucking dopamine slave, that I'm considering taking the goy pills myself. This is exceptionally difficult for me, as i also despise the pharma demons with a burning passion, but I'm on my ropes here. Every time I've written down my goals, made a journal with a schedule, told myself "yeah I'm gonna study 4hrs +/day!", and cut out all vidya and distractions, it's as if I get possessed by a demon and just reduced to a dead weight consoomer every time. Now I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place of being a useless piece of shit who's on the edge of failure in uni, or to fry my brain on these meds.

    It's also incredibly frustrating because everyone i know who takes these IMMEDIATELY experienced the greatest 4-6 years of their life and became straight A+ students who crushed their goals and made costal career strides, then started getting major cerebral problems down the line and dealings with depression.

    Why are we here ADHD bros, just to suffer?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Made colossal *

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I get that feel, bro. I feel unprincipled for taking it, but when it helps you that much, the ends justify the means IMO.
      Just taking the adderall is not sufficient for me, I will still waste time if I am not in the correct mindset before taking it. Have to put away all tech and go to library/office before taking it or I might just hyperscroll for 6 hours and waste it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but when it helps you that much, the ends justify the means IMO.
        Literally this. I'd rather live a life of cutting through my goals like butter and deal with the aftermath of the consequences once I have an actual great degree/career/life.

        Bonus points if you take adderal for studies for a few years then gradually wean off

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/6v4XhKC.jpg

        Honestly I've tried so many times to improve my focus and stop being a fucking dopamine slave, that I'm considering taking the goy pills myself. This is exceptionally difficult for me, as i also despise the pharma demons with a burning passion, but I'm on my ropes here. Every time I've written down my goals, made a journal with a schedule, told myself "yeah I'm gonna study 4hrs +/day!", and cut out all vidya and distractions, it's as if I get possessed by a demon and just reduced to a dead weight consoomer every time. Now I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place of being a useless piece of shit who's on the edge of failure in uni, or to fry my brain on these meds.

        It's also incredibly frustrating because everyone i know who takes these IMMEDIATELY experienced the greatest 4-6 years of their life and became straight A+ students who crushed their goals and made costal career strides, then started getting major cerebral problems down the line and dealings with depression.

        Why are we here ADHD bros, just to suffer?

        There were more professions suitable for people with ADD/ADHD back in the day than now, which is why it wasn't such a problem back then.
        And sure, kids are over diagnosed with ADD/ADHD simply because they're dumb as fuck and modern society can't call people stupid anymore. But when someone has great grades in childhood and adolescence, and get diagnosed as an adult, it's probably the real deal.

        [...]
        There's a correlation between all kinds of addictions and ADHD. Because it's primarily a disorder of the reward system. That whole concentration aspect really should be considered secondary.

        t. engineer with ADD

        Again, you're just undisciplined. Life isn't that hard. You wake up, work out, go to work/school. Eat. Take a few good shits. Pay your bills and remember to have fun. If you are soooo distracted than cut out distractions. How about if you do a job that isn't 'suitable'--then find a job that is. I mean holy fucking cope. You fucking people will do anything to justify your drug addicted except admit that it is a drug addiction, get off your pills. Be a real man about shit, exercise some discipline, and move the fuck on. You all honestly sound very week both emotionally and physically. I would kill myself before I ever got addicted to any of these drugs. I would rather die than admit to people I am a drug addict. You better fucking hope the supply chain never breaks down, but hey on the bright side at least maybe you'd get a fucking boner again you worthless drug addicts.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Get raped by morons amerishart

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You all sound very weak

          Of course, because it IS a weakness, a disability, much like being born blind or with only one leg. It's a weakness that can be easily fixed, though. And there's no shame in admitting that and getting the help you need to perform in life.

          And it's not a matter of discipline, really. It's a fundamentally broken system of natural stimulants in a person's brain that causes them to be physically incapable of concentrating. Telling them to "be more disciplined" is essentially like saying to a person in a wheelchair: "Just stand up, bro!"

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >sound very week
          kek this poorly written mess of a paragraph just boiled down to "just stop being depressed bro"

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I literally have the same problem

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's also incredibly frustrating because everyone i know who takes these IMMEDIATELY experienced the greatest 4-6 years of their life and became straight A+ students who crushed their goals and made costal career strides, then started getting major cerebral problems down the line and dealings with depression.
      ADHD is reward based no matter how much meth we throw at it. I always get depressed as shit when I reach a long-term goal. Maybe they feel something similar.
      I'm a mess tho lmao

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Take Methylphenidate instead of amphetamine derivatives, it causes cerebral problems and depression at a far lower rate than amps.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Coffee

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone here tried vyvanse/elvanse? How does it differ from adderal?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      lasts longer, less intense.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I raw dog life. Every so often I have some alcohol or coffee but nothing addictive. I would say the only thing I'm addicted to his hunting. The adrenaline I get when I'm about to pull the trigger on an animal is something else

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >coping gay

        https://i.imgur.com/8kt2pFb.jpg

        How much will pic rel fuck with my gains?

        I recently went on medication after turning 25 and haven't looked back anon. Worst case scenario, it's not for you - just don't continue using them.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: Uneducated schizo's who have never taken behavioral science, let alone, possess the capability to grasp anything outside the scope of:
    >muh garden gnome conspiracy
    >just lift bruh
    >i read a wikihelp once

    Yes, stimulants do exactly what they are supposed to, stimulate. It's going to ramp up your metabolism, in turn your TDE is going to go up, you're going to require more nutrients and water along with vitamins. If you take this into account and are not retarded you'll be fine

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am just using the garden gnomes as a scapegoat. What it really is is big pharma making money giving people something they don't need; which is also arguably hurting them in the long run. Again, we only started giving kids and diagnosing people with ADD or ADHD recently. For the first 20,000 years of humanity, we never did so. This is of course excused with one of these 2 excuses
      1 "we know more about it now"
      2 "We have jobs that require us to use that now"

      both of which are bullshit cope. The fact of the matter is, I think relying on stimulants and/or depressants to affect you in how you live your life is immature, weak, beta, and quite frankly, loser behavior. I automatically respect people less when I find out they need a drug to get them through their day. Man or woman (1/5 of women are now on anti-depressants as well, but I'm sure thats just because we "know more about it now"

      fucking parrots just repeating what THEY tell them to

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the idea that medical science could have advanced at all in recent years is "bullshit cope"
        t. someone who would have said the same thing about germ theory and sterilizing equipment if we shifted his life back a few more decades.
        you've correctly identified issues with big pharma and over-prescribing and decided to turn it into "nah actually all of this shit is actually made up entirely" because you're a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about.
        >fucking parrots just repeating what THEY tell them to
        literally nothing ITT is a new thought or even an uncommon thought on IST, so congrats on just repeating verbatim what you read on an anonymous image board known for maladjusted NEET shut-ins and thinking you're smart for saying things contrary to what's generally accepted by broader society.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with you. I don't believe children should ever be given drugs as some quick fix behavioral health solution, and yes big pharma has played into this, and is making a killing off the backs of the uneducated. However to think that humanity hasn't advanced and that it's cope if we evolved or grow to understand something more in depth is just ignorant. If you think that it's one huge conspiracy and all the independent research done by multiple parties is false. You are in fact, a schizo. Let me ask you something. If you touched a red hot stove and it burned you, and then later on you touch it cooled off while lacking that distinct bright red glow. and you learned to differentiate the two, would you continue burning yourself for the sake of "not coping"

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being so mentally weak you need drugs to focus.
    Balance your life and hone your will. ADHD is a spook.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek. There is no Platonic trophy for taking the hard route to accomplish your goals in life. I accomplish so much more shit while having sex with Addy while losers cope that they are "purer" or what not. As long as you are high enough IQ to not get addicted and become the tool of the drug it is excellent, my fellow African American.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but have you considered that some spotty skinny virgin living in his mother's basement who spends all day posting on IST 4chan and /mlp/ wants to give you advice on the truth behind ~~*doctors*~~ and their ~~*meds*~~?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >here is no Platonic trophy for taking the hard route to accomplish your goals in life
        based fellow psychopath.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >bro just change your life lol
    >just start being disciplined xD
    kek everytime

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The answer isn't a dangerous pharmaceutical drug Anon.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically yes

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If insurance is paying for it, sell almost all that meth to some degenerate who wants it. Anything more than occasional use (<1 times weekly) will leave your brain unable to be disciplined and unresponsive to things that normally spark joy, unless you're willing to take it everyday for the rest of your life-- but that comes with many more consequences. Shit will permanently fuck with the functioning of your brain, proceed with extreme caution. Take the government's money and be done with the matter.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I have ADHD and I take zero medications by instead coping with behavioral measures which assist greatly. I however understand that some patients have more severe cases and need stims. You're an ignorant retard and doing a major disservice to the world by giving mental health advice. You seriously need to quit running your mouth on shit you know nothing about

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      how do you manage it on your own

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the measures have been modifying all of my devices to make accessing novelties nearly impossible. I fucked with the registry on my PC to make downloading steam and opening IST virtually inaccessible (I allow myself some fun in the summer, that's why I'm here now), and have apps on my phone which make anything other than texts or phone calls unusable. My buddy holds the access keys to the blocking programs on my phone, so I can never use it unless I factory reset my device.

        The measures are all about making accessing novelties more of a hassle than a fun activity. I understand that my brain, as an ADHD patient, has low baseline dopamine levels, and I just live with it. Inner reflection helps a lot, and identifying any urge as my brain wanting a quick fix as distraction helps cope. For now I'm getting by with just behavioral remedies, but if it ever got bad enough, I've done enough research on stims to know that they wont fuck up an ADHD patient's brain as much as a normie's brain.

        That's where these "junkie" posters get shit all completely wrong. Stims like Adderall merely provide an ADHD patient with baseline levels of neurochemicals to function in day to day life, where these patients have naturally low dopamine/serotonin levels. If a normie takes Adderall to study, he'll just get an amphetamine high and start bouncing off the walls. A good analogy would be a guy in his 50s with plummeted testosterone taking TRT vs an 18yr old jabbing 1g test.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Shit man, I'm a 31 year old, got diagnosed almost 2 years ago and have been taking Adderall for about a year. It's tough after experiencing "normal" dopamine and having that motivational drive in my daily life for the first time properly ever, but I really don't like the idea of basically having to take baby meth to feel semi normal so I've been wanting to try going off it once I get a plan/some better tools in place for myself. Do you find over time any sustained benefits to those mindful practices, or is it always a bit of a struggle on the day-to-day? I'd really like to find some way to fix (or at least: better control the low fluctuations of) my dopamine longer term and sounds like you might have a more viable plan than mine (logseq for taking notes/writing down thoughts and organizing projects/Todo lists). Huge improvement over general life organization but def still not where I'd like to be.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I feel you bro. Honestly, it sounds like you already have the actionable components covered. ADHD patients struggle with having a sense of urgency for long term dates, and that's where daily journaling and having to-do lists are vital for us. So remaining conscious and mindful are pivotal tools to be used every day. As for the dopamine, this is all about what NOT to do. Unfortunately for us, it needs to be treated as an extremely scarce resource that that you meticulously protect and expend only on tasks which you know are uplifting for your wellbeing and focus.

            But honestly, the best advice I've ever gotten was "A demon's biggest weakness is knowing it's name". Understanding that ADHD is real and the consequences that come with that are game changing. Knowing that you have to safeguard your dopamine gives you power, because you will be more reluctant to engage in high-stimuli activities when you know that you are more particularly damaged from them than the average man.

            This is a pretty good episode on dopamine and ways to increase it.
            >TLDR
            It's all about baseline dopamine. You want your baseline dopamine levels to be as high as possible, as in, the levels of dopamine you'd have hypothetically sitting in a chair and staring at a wall. We safeguard these by controlling our spikes, which suppress baseline dopamine. The one exception that raises baseline dopamine without crashes are cold showers/bath. Macuna Pruriens is also kinda like a scaled down Adderall that's made out of L-Dopa, but you can still form a dependency, so be cautious.

            And of course I'd never advise someone to stop taking stims if you feel like you've gotten your life back. Most I'd recommend is giving them a break temporarily combined with the habits I've mentioned to see how you feel. If you can handle without them and still feel productive, then maybe you can give quitting them a go.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              There really is no way to fix it long term, unfortunately. Getting structure into your life and behavioral therapy can help a bit, but only stims can totally negate all the negative effects.

              Appreciate the replies my guys

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            There really is no way to fix it long term, unfortunately. Getting structure into your life and behavioral therapy can help a bit, but only stims can totally negate all the negative effects.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      And shrinks do? Most mental health, counseling, etc is a racket. Dimwits get into psych and they’re like OMG it makes so much sense when in reality it’s all bullshit barely different than horoscopes and astrology

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can only prescribe pills if you are a paychiatrist. Meaning you finished med school and got you phd in psychiatry.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Your life sucks, trust me!!! Eventually you will realize your demise!!!!
    Cope

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      always the schizos who go off on tangents about being better than everyone else you think they would get tired of it

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    As far as tolerance is concerned, in my experience the effects plateau rather than continuously decrease.
    Many people think the intense euphoria you get during the first couple of weeks is the intended effect but it's not. They will then pursue the euphoria, causing addiction. Addiction is not the same as dependence, which is going to happen to anyone taking a drug long term.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly it will quicken your gains, no hunger, more workout, more protein.

    best month w/ the patches I dropped 20lb.

    miss those days.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I just got diagnosed with ADHD
    why are americans like this?

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wait to feel better than I ever will
    Attack that shit like a kid on Benadryl
    Chase it down with a hopeful smile
    Hate myself, if I can go for miles
    They say family is all you need
    Someone to trust can help you breathe
    Inhale that drug, but you start to choke
    You follow the outs of an inside joke

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to take away
    their unhappiness

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally eat just eggs, meat, and rice. I've dropped 10 lbs fat and gained 16 lbs muscle with the only change in life being 20 mins of working out each niht since may.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT natty boys SEETHING at enhanced boys. Just get an edge my bros, your body is all chemicals, why not be God and dictate the quantities of each?
    If you have the means and a doctor, take the pills, pin that gh, leave humanity behind

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What happens if the supply chain breaks down and you can’t get your fix?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not that anon but: I'll feel like shit for a month, then suboptimal for about a year. I take a lower dose and never abuse it.
        You'll hear wildly different anecdotes about withdrawals of course.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Almost nothing because I only take 20mg

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You'll definitely feel like shit for 2-4 weeks and then meh for quite a while. I'm not against these drugs but they're serious shit and you need to have realistic expectations.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've gotten completely off for 2 years one time and really only the first 2 or 3 days I could feel the withdrawal. I was an adult in my 20s when I first took them.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              For additional context the 20mg was once per day and I took it about 5 days a week (usually didn't take it on the weekend to give my body a rest)

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              For additional context the 20mg was once per day and I took it about 5 days a week (usually didn't take it on the weekend to give my body a rest)

              That's interesting. I wonder how many of the horrible withdrawal anecdotes are from people who frequently exceeded their prescribed dose and omit that information.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          How often/week? And how do you feel when you don’t take it for 1-2 weeks?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I feel tired for a week or two, then return to where I was before taking it, big deal

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a 36 years old male, just got diagnosed with ADHD.

    What most retards in this thread don't understand is that ADHD isn't really a "disease". It's just that our brains are not working exactly like a neurotypical person's brains are.

    In the modern society it might cause severe problems, or at least stress as in my case: I'm a highly intelligent individual with an IQ around 150, which is why I've made it quite nicely in my life despite the ADHD brain. But some things in everyday life are truly a chore. I've noticed the patterns and effects ADHD causes and can cope with them, but the point of the whole medication is that it wouldn't take such an effort to do so.

    The real irony is that you stupid retard cunts who think ADHD is some made up bullshit are too fucking stupid to realize anything at all, whereas people with ADHD actually have real superpowers. It's just sometimes hard to make use of them because the world is built for normie retards.

    And to all ADHD people: try to recognize the strengths in the way your brain is set. For example, sometimes I do highly demanding logical abstract work faster and better alone than a five person team of normies. Just don't try to fit into normie standards - they are low tier.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      whats that another rich misunderstood genius IST poster?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's more or less correct although "muh 150 IQ" and "superpowers" is cringe and unnecessary.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this. Retards think that ADHD = your mind is scattered all over the place, but it is in fact rather a hyper, laser-like focus on tasks that interest you. ADHD of course functions independently of an individuals IQ level. You can be anywhere from 70 shoe on head retarded IQ, to 180+ and still suffer from ADHD. The condition itself is an imbalance of dopamine and serotonin levels, making focusing on tasks that are not immediately stimulating either impossible, or absolutely gruelingly difficult to focus on. Since you made it career wise, I'm assuming you found a job which stimulates you enough to focus? If so, congrats.

      Either way, the medication's effects are completely misunderstood by braindead normies. If a normie takes Adderall, yes, they will become a methed out nutjob who can't sit still for 5 seconds. An ADHD patient taking Adderall however, will experience a sustained focus (as long as he has enough discipline to combine medication with determined effort) to complete tasks which were otherwise a complete slog to get through such as studying, working, seeking career upgrades, where he never could experience that before.

      Since starting Adderall, it literally feels like I "woke up" from being a prisoner in my own brain for so many years.
      > ~ t. got diagnosed at 25 on the cusp of academic failure and then soared through uni with top grades

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm diagnosed too (extensive process with a psychologist, not a checklist interview) and I can't stand the myth that stimulant meds affect ADHD people differently. It's complete bullshit, at least in 99% of cases.
        Stims do exactly the same thing whether or not you have ADHD, it's just more helpful for ADHD people because you have a deficit in the things that stims increase. You can still get high off of them.

        What are the major differences between the popular stims?
        >Adderall
        >Modafinil
        >Ritalin

        Modafinil is only for wakefulness. Adderall and Ritalin are different classes of drug but the effect in practice is basically the same for most people.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >myth that stimulant meds affect ADHD people differently
          They literally do though. Raising the baseline dopamine levels of someone with plummeted dopamine will have profoundly different effects than spiking the dopamine of an otherwise already balanced individual.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, it won't. I'm properly diagnosed and when figuring out my dose, if it was too high, I got stimmed out like a "normie". Are you saying I'm lying? What about the countless others with the same experience?
            Pretending that it's a completely different effect creates the false and harmful notion that ADHD people can't get addicted to stims (I mean actual life-wrecking addiction, not dependence), which is obviously untrue.
            Again, I'm diagnosed and take stims as prescribed.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              So am I, 30mg roughly 3x/week. I generally have not once experienced a high from from my doses, other than some buzzing and headaches when I once double dosed. In contrast, I gave my non-ADHD buddy a dose for shits and giggles, and he became like a wired toddler bouncing off the walls.

              I never once claimed that ADHD patients cannot abuse medications, not sure where you got that. Saying that one with nearly 0 dopamine taking neurochemical boosters will have different effects than someone who's neurochemically balanced seems like a fair and obvious statement, not sure how you could disagree with that. Just like someone who doesn't have manic-depressive disorder taking lithium medications would likely have very alternate and adverse reactions than someone who's in an enraged frenzy.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, it won't. I'm properly diagnosed and when figuring out my dose, if it was too high, I got stimmed out like a "normie". Are you saying I'm lying? What about the countless others with the same experience?
                Pretending that it's a completely different effect creates the false and harmful notion that ADHD people can't get addicted to stims (I mean actual life-wrecking addiction, not dependence), which is obviously untrue.
                Again, I'm diagnosed and take stims as prescribed.

                Pretty much this. Retards think that ADHD = your mind is scattered all over the place, but it is in fact rather a hyper, laser-like focus on tasks that interest you. ADHD of course functions independently of an individuals IQ level. You can be anywhere from 70 shoe on head retarded IQ, to 180+ and still suffer from ADHD. The condition itself is an imbalance of dopamine and serotonin levels, making focusing on tasks that are not immediately stimulating either impossible, or absolutely gruelingly difficult to focus on. Since you made it career wise, I'm assuming you found a job which stimulates you enough to focus? If so, congrats.

                Either way, the medication's effects are completely misunderstood by braindead normies. If a normie takes Adderall, yes, they will become a methed out nutjob who can't sit still for 5 seconds. An ADHD patient taking Adderall however, will experience a sustained focus (as long as he has enough discipline to combine medication with determined effort) to complete tasks which were otherwise a complete slog to get through such as studying, working, seeking career upgrades, where he never could experience that before.

                Since starting Adderall, it literally feels like I "woke up" from being a prisoner in my own brain for so many years.
                > ~ t. got diagnosed at 25 on the cusp of academic failure and then soared through uni with top grades

                I'm a 36 years old male, just got diagnosed with ADHD.

                What most retards in this thread don't understand is that ADHD isn't really a "disease". It's just that our brains are not working exactly like a neurotypical person's brains are.

                In the modern society it might cause severe problems, or at least stress as in my case: I'm a highly intelligent individual with an IQ around 150, which is why I've made it quite nicely in my life despite the ADHD brain. But some things in everyday life are truly a chore. I've noticed the patterns and effects ADHD causes and can cope with them, but the point of the whole medication is that it wouldn't take such an effort to do so.

                The real irony is that you stupid retard cunts who think ADHD is some made up bullshit are too fucking stupid to realize anything at all, whereas people with ADHD actually have real superpowers. It's just sometimes hard to make use of them because the world is built for normie retards.

                And to all ADHD people: try to recognize the strengths in the way your brain is set. For example, sometimes I do highly demanding logical abstract work faster and better alone than a five person team of normies. Just don't try to fit into normie standards - they are low tier.

                Almost nothing because I only take 20mg

                Hey drug addicts if the supply chain goes down and you can’t get your fix what then?

                I can’t fucking stand dumb drug users. It’s like talking to transsexuals. You will never convince them they’re fucked up. So I’m done trying to help you people. Enjoy going through life on a drug you don’t need

                Oh and anyone who takes pre workout, drinks energy drinks, is an alcoholic, a meth head, has “depression” (literal a made up word for being a sad moron), coke head, pot head, or any other drug user should honestly kill themselves.

                If you do any drug on a regular basis you’re ngmi. The true drug is to fuck life with no condom. Raw dog that shit and read you’re bible

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                why are you clueless reddit-spacing chud still here?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I only take it to help me drive. On the road without it I'm basically a Chinaman with a belly full of beer. Assuming the supply chain collapses, I'll be fine as I would make a good hunter. God damn I wish industrial society would collapse.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Abysmal quality bait

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Drug addict posts pictures of a guy who plays another drug addict

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nice b8 m8, had me at first by comparing drug users to transsexuals but I died by the Bible thumping at the end

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are probably not very sensitive to amphetamine, that's all.

                >I never once claimed that ADHD patients cannot abuse medications, not sure where you got that.
                I didn't say that you did, but your thinking does lead many people to believe they can't get addicted to stims because "it's different".
                >Saying that one with nearly 0 dopamine taking neurochemical boosters will have different effects than someone who's neurochemically balanced seems like a fair and obvious statement, not sure how you could disagree with that.
                There's conflicting evidence about what causes ADHD and both the neurochemical imbalance and brain structure theories are disputed and far from solid. I'm not saying ADHD isn't real of course, but I disagree with your premise so that's why I draw this conclusion.

                For my part, I take 15mg of Adderall (really 40mg of Vyvanse but that's the equivalent) daily and if I took your dose I'd lose my fucking mind. According to what you're saying, that means I don't have ADHD. Explain that.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There's conflicting evidence about what causes ADHD and both the neurochemical imbalance and brain structure theories are disputed and far from solid.

                Because it’s fucking made up and your innocent ass is assuming doctors and therapists and shrinks want to “help” you. They don’t. They want to make money.

                t. Psychiatrist who diagnoses and writes scripts for this shit all the time. Got my PhD from James Madison.

                Currently debating killing myself since i realized the whole industry is bullshit once I got into the real world. So many dirty secrets and fucked up shit you kids don’t realize

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't ask you, Mr. Self-Important gay.
                >innocent
                Dude I honestly barely think it's real but the meds have helped me so I continue to take them. I despise the normal discourse about ADHD just as much as you do.
                You don't have some secret knowledge that I don't give me a fucking break.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not saying ADHD isn't real of course, but I disagree with your premise so that's why I draw this conclusion.
                Could you explain your thesis on what leads to distracted behaviors in ADHD patients? For myself, I've researched dopamine and it's relation to behaviors, and it seems quite clear that low dopamine and serotonin levels are the culprit. Of course we can never understand this truly, as we'd need to somehow perform a brain biopsy on a living ADHD individual to know for sure, but brain scan imaging and various other medical instruments seem to agree with this hypothesis.
                >According to what you're saying, that means I don't have ADHD
                As you said, everyone has different resistances and thresholds, as well as varying levels of ADHD itself. I'm not a fan of blanket dosages, and dosing seems to be a doctor-to-doctor (unfortunately) factor rather than a patient-to-patient factor, as it should be.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >could you explain your thesis
                It probably has to do with dopamine but nothing as simple as "you just have less of it", more like sensitivity overall. Also I've never heard of it having anything to do with serotonin before your posts, no idea where you got that from.
                I'm only arguing with you because you think that the drugs have a PROFOUNDLY different effect on ADHD people, but you've essentially admitted that this isn't the case. They increase dopamine in both kinds of people, and someone with ADHD can in fact get high on them, therefore the pharmacological effects are the same, the only difference is the baseline of either subject.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I've never heard of it having anything to do with serotonin before your posts, no idea where you got that from.
                Mostly because Adderall releases large levels of serotonin as well as dopamine, which could play a significant role in it's interaction with ADHD.
                >because you think that the drugs have a PROFOUNDLY different effect on ADHD people, but you've essentially admitted that this isn't the case
                It does have a profoundly different effect on the patients which it was designed for, though. I think you're taking this statement as "different = different biological mechanism" which isn't what I mean. By different, I mean that raising any level of any hormone or neurochemical will impact those with varying baseline levels very differently, which is true. It kinda sounds like we're shooting past each other here and mostly agree

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                It releases more epinephrine than serotonin.
                To your other point, it seems that we mostly agree but in my experience most people take "different" to mean in fact a completely, fundamentally different effect and saying that stims affect ADHD people differently does more harm than good.

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >leagues of scientific data stating that attention deficit disorders are in fact real
    >hurr durr more garden gnome shilling
    >b-but they’re just peddling more slop!
    Implying you fags take care of yourselves
    https://nymag.com/article/2016/05/the-adderall-workout.html
    Obvi not a scientific journal, the only slightly relevant articles was about amphetamines from 1999
    Tl;dr no adderal has no DIRECT sway on muscle development, you however might be able to tune in to your workout more efficiently which would lead to growth

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Someone really has trouble focusing
      >The best solution is a lifetime of dextroamphetamine

      Does not follow

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t think it said it was the BEST solution, obviously behavioral therapy and lifestyle changes would/should come first but that shit doesn’t work neurologically for some peeps
        And if you’re trying to imply that stimulants don’t help with…stimulation then idk what you need m8

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just don't lol
    Stims are for people who tried behavioral therapy and it didn't work. Why are you going straight to the nuclear option anon?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >behavioral therapy
      literaly a waste of time in case of adhd

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not. Medication alone is insufficient if you don't make behavioral modifications.

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hows vyvanse?

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't take the goyderall OP. Tell them to prescribe you Modafinil instead

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are the major differences between the popular stims?
      >Adderall
      >Modafinil
      >Ritalin

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    when i was a kid my parents assumed i had add but never took me to get any sort of formal diagnosis. i went thru high school able to focus decently and got very good grades but in college i completely blew it, barely able to focus, etc.

    now im 30 and have ruined my entire life, a complete and utter loser, but i dont know if its the fault of add. i do have the issue of having no interests or motivation to do anything, but the few hobbies i do, i hyper focus and obsess on them. i also hyper focus and obsess over really small things where i talk through entire conversations to myself.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      just get diagnosed and try it out

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        its really strange how all the normal people take adderall especially in college to study but i never did, instead i would just sit there with intrusive thoughts about what a failure i am.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You’re just not mentally present. Start your journey back to reality by living in the present, thinking about the present, listening to the shit around you. Look at the flowers the trees the plants everything, the cars, people. Get the fuck out of your head, it’s totally destructive

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >taking meds

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have concerta
    >Appetite is gone
    >But also not nauseous when I eat, can eat as much as I want
    I consider it a cheat code from a diet perspective

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ADHD isn't real, do a dopamine fast to go back to normal levels.

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey guys
    You could be doing anything else besides having these very cringe arguments on IST
    You could be preparing your meals now. you could work on a course, you could go exercise. This thread will be gone soon, and the only thing it will do is cost you your limited time. It's time you'll never get back.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good point anon. I’m gunna go drink some NyQuil and smoke a blunt before night night time and try to masturbate to WMBF titty fucking porn before i fall asleep to reruns of Star Trek Voyager

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        All based until voyager. This sort of celebration deserves some comfy ds9 filler episodes

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      let them. it entertaining. just about anything is better than ketolards sharting up the place

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >busy all weekend long barely had any time for anything besides sleep
    >take off work today because tired, sore, need a rest
    >do literally nothing for the entire day
    >any time I have free time I just completely waste it in front of the tv/computer
    >unable to focus my attention on a single fucking thing despite having a completely worthless and wasted life where i need to do so many things just to get to the bare minimum of a functional life
    >absolutely hate that i sit ther and do nothing, yet continue doing it, and watch as the hours tick away

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >adhd pills bad!
    >roid enhancers good!

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Was failing med school miserably. They actually saved my life. Got prescribed in my early 20s. Wish I went to the doctor a little early it could've improved my mcat scores.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reading the above replies I definitely wanna write a long post about ADHD later if this thread is still up. But in short diet definitely affects your ADD but not enough. I had to pull allnighters and study for like 18 hours straight in the later sems and without meds i couldn't have done it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Please do. It's also funny how every person I meet who takes Adderall proceeded into medicine or another form of higher education. I first found out about it through that autistic fuck Sseth, who became an Msc immunologiest after starting Adderall topkek

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same. Flunked my bar exam on the first try, then passed it within the top 2% after getting an Adderall prescription.

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any of you pin test?

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can’t sleep. It’s 2am and I already jerked off twice plus drank some beers. Shit feels good for an hour and then you basically just become a monkey

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    All I know is that everyone I know that has gotten on stimulants (which is quite a few) like these has turned into an antisocial coomer weirdo. I actually quit hanging out with one of my childhood friends until he quits taking this shit because he's embarrassing to be around in public. This stuff makes you socially weird. You may be "outgoing" in your head, less reserved, but to others it's obvious there's something wrong. They also have random emotional outbursts that are totally unpredictable because it stunts your maturity.

    Not to mention one of the worst parts is that they turn into mega coomers. Like spend hours watching porn and jerking off. Go onto any stimulant subreddit and search "porn" and you will see the levels of depravity that stim users sink to on this stuff.

    Stay away. Even the guy who "discovered" ADHD said it shouldn't be treated to amphetamines.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stims just so they can jack off more
      Do people really?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      To elaborate, this friend I'm talking about I invited to a bar with some of my work friends. He was acting off the rails, saying things and jokes that didn't even make sense or had no relevance but were funny in his stimmed out mind. He then almost started a fight over some minor rule technicality in our game of pool. Spent the rest of the night bothering some girl there who was by herself in the corner who was basically signaling us to get him away from her (the coombrained side effect). He then almost started another fight on his way out for seemingly no reason.

      No, this was not meth. This was adderall 100% confirmed. Prolonged abuse of this stuff makes you totally out of toach with normal social interactions. He has been taking it almost daily for 4-5 years now.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, no behavior you just mentioned sounds like ADHD. That is either bipolarism, manic depression, or full blown autism.

        People with ADHD are TOO CALM when they should he panicking for school deadlines and work schedules

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is this the classic "amphetamines magically effect your brain differently if you have this made up disorder" argument? You take amphetamines daily for years on end, you will be a weird freak and out of touch with normal social interactions. Period. I've seen it happen to several of my friends, most are off of it now but for some reason, a lot of people in my friend group went through a big adderall phase.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stims just so they can jack off more
      Do people really?

      I borrow my girlfriends dose of 25mg every now and again and one time I really did just torrent and jack off to VR porn for 8 hours. Probably the single most hedonistic day of my life, but after that I learn to just wack one off shortly after or before taking it and then I can focus on stuff. Something about it can make you an absolute cooming fiend. It makes me so horny I am buzzing and have that feeling in my chest I would get when you finally get laid in highschool after a dry spell. Ironically also makes your pp soft like you just did a polar plunge too

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    dude you will fucking explode

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I suspect I may be somewhere on the ADHD scale but I've never tried being diagnosed.

    Recently I heard about kratom, I've heard people with ADHD have used it as a way to treat it, anyone know anything?

    Bless you anons

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      adhdonline will diagnose you remotely, can also get meds from them in a lot of states. There is a specific type of live memory test they give you along with about an hour of questions.

      Really would like ADHD to be fake so I could have a normal life. For people who think they might have it - it doesn't mean you can't focus, it means you have great difficulty directing what to focus on. You can go into 'hyperfocus' if something is interesting to you. It's an almost autistic state of concentration that is difficult for others to break, and frustrating when you are taken out of it suddenly.

      There are different types. Hyperactive/impulsive, primarily inattentive, and combined. My main symptoms are constant movement. My legs are never still all day and night no matter what I'm doing. If I don't move, it's like having an itch I can't scratch. Next is inability to initiate tasks that aren't immediately novel and interesting to me. If it involves reading, my mind will drift off after a few sentences and I will go into a daydream about something unrelated.

      Unable to finish anything, many projects, piles of things, messy home, unable to get organized. These are all symptoms. There is a lot of guilt built up over the years. It is shameful to be retarded in this way, and it doesn't fix it to call it fake, its still there.

      Take the piss if you want, I've had it all my life, had the piss taken all my life. You can't do any more harm. Maybe think about why you want to torture retards though?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fuck I live in Europe I don't know if that site will work for me, I'll have to check it out

        And yeah the symptoms more or less check out with mine, especially how my life is at 28 years old, and the hyperfocus.

        Maybe I should try a diagnose, i did actually try once but the doc was like 'ive never done it on adults, do you want to? you could get a test too' and I didnt want to come across as just wanting a quick fix but taking the test turned out to be inconvenient because of scheduling and distance and I sort of gave up/lost interest

        Maybe I should try again

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm

        I'm a 36 years old male, just got diagnosed with ADHD.

        What most retards in this thread don't understand is that ADHD isn't really a "disease". It's just that our brains are not working exactly like a neurotypical person's brains are.

        In the modern society it might cause severe problems, or at least stress as in my case: I'm a highly intelligent individual with an IQ around 150, which is why I've made it quite nicely in my life despite the ADHD brain. But some things in everyday life are truly a chore. I've noticed the patterns and effects ADHD causes and can cope with them, but the point of the whole medication is that it wouldn't take such an effort to do so.

        The real irony is that you stupid retard cunts who think ADHD is some made up bullshit are too fucking stupid to realize anything at all, whereas people with ADHD actually have real superpowers. It's just sometimes hard to make use of them because the world is built for normie retards.

        And to all ADHD people: try to recognize the strengths in the way your brain is set. For example, sometimes I do highly demanding logical abstract work faster and better alone than a five person team of normies. Just don't try to fit into normie standards - they are low tier.

        It's so nice to read stuff like what you wrote. I could've written that.

        I wish ADHD was discussed in the public in a more educational way. It's depressing how many people don't have a clue how it works or affects people. Just look at this thread ffs.

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Strange judgemental takes in this thread. Love is harder to output but it makes everything better for everyone. Speaking the truth is important, but I don't see that in here.
    My belief is that a lot to do with modern life can get people stuck in mind loops that cause ADHD symptoms. The brain re-enforces these loops by developing those neural pathways over time, which makes the symptoms stick harder. What I'm saying is it seems to me that many people have the right minds to _give themselves_ real ADHD. If we changed the way these feedback loops work for the next generation their ADHD rates would likely plummet.
    For those with ADHD though, amphetamines help immensely. The success rates of SSRI treatment in people with depression is something in the range of 30%. For people with diagnosed ADHD, the success rates of amphetamine treatment is over 95%. It's easy to say 'but if you give a normie speed they'll produce more too', but if you've ever been around anyone taking adderall for work/study who does not have ADHD, you'd know it affects them very differently. They might study for 12 hours for an exam or pull an all-nighter to get a work project done. They might even try to manage it in their day-to-day and work more normally but it's never the same. It pumps them up and gets them speedy, whereas for a person with ADHD it simply removes the executive dysfunction so they can live a normal life.
    If you're reading this and think you're struggling with undiagnosed ADHD, please get tested. If it turns out to be legit, getting the right medication is like flipping a switch. It's immediately life-changing. Probably take breaks occasionally though, seems that daily amphetamine use might be slightly neurotoxic over time.

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's gonna lower appetite quite a lot

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you take it daily or almost daily that goes away eventually.

  43. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Late to the discussion, but just sharing something I only realised after getting a Bachelor's degree and dropping out of uni while trying to write my second essay. Taking addy isn't worth it. Shit turns you into an emotionally flatlined zombie. Just learn a trade instead. If I'd have done that, I now would be married with my own house, instead of working way below my educational level, after a burnout and a breakup, living in a shitty apartment.

    Choose the low-effortpill and live according to your nature. It's better to be a plumber who is way too smart for his job, than a researcher who's barely holding on to his sanity.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you explain further more about trade learning? I have adhd and take addy when I cant keep up. Studying is literally my only weakness. Used to take other shilled garden gnomepills but addy is like magic to my brain. i can finally catch my train of thoughts
      >Captcha: SSHGS

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >can you explain further more about trade learning?

        Are you retarded? My uncle is a roofer and literally dropped out of school in 8th grade. Watch a video on youtube on how to tile a floor or hang dry wall. Literal retards can do it. None of them have ADHD btw, because they don't have time for that weak fake shit. They're too busing drilling, screwing, and slapping mud on the floor

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck off, you're posting like some kind of caricature of an asshole dad out of a shitty sitcom. Like if Al Bundy found IST.

          Can you explain further more about trade learning? I have adhd and take addy when I cant keep up. Studying is literally my only weakness. Used to take other shilled garden gnomepills but addy is like magic to my brain. i can finally catch my train of thoughts
          >Captcha: SSHGS

          Just Google "trade school" or "vocational training". You're still going to have to learn, but if you're smart you can coast through most of it while being occupied with a lot of manual tasks and a lot less book learning than college or uni. It's what I SHOULD have done and what I'll recommend any children I'll have do.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I signed up to study Electrical engineering in October. Can you give me any tips?

  44. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    IST is a broscience forum, especially when it comes to mental health. It's something about insecure men that leads them to displaying self-indulgent hyper-masculine behaviour, such as denying the existence of mental disorders, since it's something they'd need to seek help for (psychological help no less). Since this damages their ego, as going to therapy is considered "unmanly", they resort to posting gay shit online.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      going to therapy is unmanly though. The literal point is to talk about your feelings, which is what chicks do.

      show me your tits

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah real men don't suppress their emotions. They acknowlede them and face them.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong

          https://i.imgur.com/xwEIpnW.jpg

          I mean the neurological differences between adhd and non-adhd brains are evident and documented.

          Its a neurodevelopmental disorder. So no, not pathetic losers. Just born at a bit of a disadvantage through no fault of our own. So go fuck yourself 🙂

          what’s next. You gunna tell me depression is real too?

  45. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that 50% of people have an IQ below 100 and ever since normies infested this place and many of the smarter oldfags left, the intelligence distribution on this website has skewed more to the left of the curve with each passing year.

  46. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oldfag here. Diagnosed last year at the age of 41.

    To all you cunts who says adhd isnt real, fuck you.

    Executive Dysfunction has plagued my life. A combination of meds and therapy is changing everything in ways I couldn't have imagined.

    Its fuck all to do with discipline. When you can't task initiate for things you WANT to do, that you enjoy doing and that you're motivated to do, but for some reason you just don't do the thing...what you have is a very real neurological disorder.

    I'd rather die at 65 from using meds and achieving things than die at 85 never having achieved anything due to unmedicated adhd.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      We're kindred souls brother. I'm 28 and just seeking help now. I feel the exact same way, I will happily burn my brain to a crisp in 10 years from now from stims if it means getting even a small amount of time in as a functioning and successful adult. I'd rather live as a lion for a few years than to 100 as what everyone just sees as wasted potential.

      That image fucking hit me because it applies to me in every single way. All my family members expected me to reach for the stars, because I was always the one who showed the most aptitude for learning, but it's just been wasted potential this entire time. This has led to fights, broken relationships, and just a deep fucking sense of regret every single waking moment. I've had enough. If stims make me grow wings and actually do something for the first time in my fucking life, I'll chase those pills down with a massive smile on my face, the consequences be damned. WAGMI

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/cwrvPjV.jpg

        Oldfag here. Diagnosed last year at the age of 41.

        To all you cunts who says adhd isnt real, fuck you.

        Executive Dysfunction has plagued my life. A combination of meds and therapy is changing everything in ways I couldn't have imagined.

        Its fuck all to do with discipline. When you can't task initiate for things you WANT to do, that you enjoy doing and that you're motivated to do, but for some reason you just don't do the thing...what you have is a very real neurological disorder.

        I'd rather die at 65 from using meds and achieving things than die at 85 never having achieved anything due to unmedicated adhd.

        Weak brainwashed gays. You're poisoning your body and ruining your mind. Ungmi.

        Stop shilling your gnomish shit here. We all know the studies prove you wrong.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah whatever gay. I've lived enough of the healthy but miserable failure of an existence side of things. If my choices are
          >Never get anywhere in life, fall off the path of every endeavor I've ever cared about, and be healthy, but feel pure unfiltered cringe at where I'm at and the wasted potential
          or
          >Take le goy pills that make me capable of completing literally any task and moving forward for the first time in my life, with the risk of side effects down the line

          I know which road I'm taking. Fuck you, I'd rather be judged as a successful druggie, because I know you'll talk shit about me no matter which road I walk down. The ends justify the means. gay.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you need to learn how to plan and how to persevere through failure. pills might help you down that path but what you need is therapy to teach you how to do these things.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The meds are safe and effective when used as prescribed.

        I like them because they're not some magic "limitless" type pill that unlocks your brain and allows you to do anything at all. You still need to flex your self discipline to get shit done, you just don't have to push as hard against the executive dysfunction.

        Pills dont build skills and self discipline is very much a skill. You have bags of it too because you've already been flexing it past breaking point all the time you've gone untreated.

        You'll make it anon.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/IZhccSk.jpg

          We're kindred souls brother. I'm 28 and just seeking help now. I feel the exact same way, I will happily burn my brain to a crisp in 10 years from now from stims if it means getting even a small amount of time in as a functioning and successful adult. I'd rather live as a lion for a few years than to 100 as what everyone just sees as wasted potential.

          That image fucking hit me because it applies to me in every single way. All my family members expected me to reach for the stars, because I was always the one who showed the most aptitude for learning, but it's just been wasted potential this entire time. This has led to fights, broken relationships, and just a deep fucking sense of regret every single waking moment. I've had enough. If stims make me grow wings and actually do something for the first time in my fucking life, I'll chase those pills down with a massive smile on my face, the consequences be damned. WAGMI

          https://i.imgur.com/cwrvPjV.jpg

          Oldfag here. Diagnosed last year at the age of 41.

          To all you cunts who says adhd isnt real, fuck you.

          Executive Dysfunction has plagued my life. A combination of meds and therapy is changing everything in ways I couldn't have imagined.

          Its fuck all to do with discipline. When you can't task initiate for things you WANT to do, that you enjoy doing and that you're motivated to do, but for some reason you just don't do the thing...what you have is a very real neurological disorder.

          I'd rather die at 65 from using meds and achieving things than die at 85 never having achieved anything due to unmedicated adhd.

          >diagnosed at 41
          >seeking help at 28

          Maybe you're just pathetic losers? Nothing wrong with that.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean the neurological differences between adhd and non-adhd brains are evident and documented.

            Its a neurodevelopmental disorder. So no, not pathetic losers. Just born at a bit of a disadvantage through no fault of our own. So go fuck yourself 🙂

          • 4 months ago
            sage

            moron crab in a bucket.

            Jealous they are turning their lives around while you binge on self-pitty for the 4th night in a row without sleep?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Another image that hit home. Jesus. Thanks bro, It honestly sounds like I'm a pretty good candidate for taking them, and the issues with executive dysfunction are undoubtedly my largest problem. In terms of discipline, I've spent arduous amounts of time crafting schedules, journals, website blockers, etc... and just wondering what the FUCK was wrong with me when it always just felt like I got possessed by a demon upon waking up, then watching in horrific paralysis as I do absolutely anything except what I told myself I needed to do.

          Only this year did I go down the rabbit hole of ADHD, and it felt like getting hit by a freight train from hell when I realized that I ticked off every single box.
          >Novel dopamine spiking activity seeking - check
          >Fingernail biting - check
          >Drinking excess caffeine as the body's coping mechanism for low dopamine - check
          >Major insomnia issues - check
          >disorganized working environment - check
          >desperate attempts at spiking dopamine by doing shit like cold showers and ice baths - check
          and I can absolutely crush anything that my brain considers a novelty, like lifting, which I've always enjoyed and taken an interest in.

          Thanks for the advice fren. It helps talking to people who only realized that they might have ADHD well into adulthood and well past childhood.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a massive shock no doubt. But knowing about it is half the battle won. And now you know what the problem is you can not only adapt accordingly, you can stop being so hard on yourself. And when you get a diagnosis you can get workplace accommodations and things like that in place to make your life better.

            All the difficulties you've faced were not your fault. You're not lazy. You're not incapable. You just have a different neurotype to how you've been raised to believe you are.

            You weren't raised nor socialised as a neurodiverse person and you've suffered because of that.

            Now you can change everything by educating yourself about your adhd and maybe also by getting some support structures in place. Ask for help if you need it. Look into local support groups. Reach out online to other neurodiverse people. There's a lot of us out there.

            Its not easy, but it does get better anon. I promise.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              or maybe just dont be like dat bro lol

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok so how exactly do I grow a whole new brain then you absolute fucking cockwomble?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Now you can change everything by educating yourself about your adhd and maybe also by getting some support structures in place. Ask for help if you need it. Look into local support groups. Reach out online to other neurodiverse people. There's a lot of us out there.
              >Its not easy, but it does get better anon. I promise.
              Thank you bro. This means a lot.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You all are a bunch of fags who need to quit using technology, have a good sleep schedule and move your asses off the computer.
      >B-but I have depreadhdlgtbpaddofdoassfkendnsiom
      That shit isn't real and if you feel idefitied with , then let me tell you that a you are not an underachiever, a lazy "genius" or whatever the fuck you want to call yourself as, you're just a dumb worthless motherfucker that's looking for excuses as to why you haven't done shit with your life.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        so true

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spotted the jealous bucket crab moron who doesn't want others to lift themselves up

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        bingo and based
        >but
        >well,
        imagine hitting 40 yrs old thinking in these terms

  47. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Try it and see if it helps you, don't take it when you don't have something to do, only do things beneficial to yourself and your goals while on it as it will reinforce that behaviour. My take on the vitriol in this thread, most of the people saying you're lazy and undisciplined are just projecting that every time they've failed to get what they want out of life it was because they were lazy and undisciplined. And hey, if they are doing well, it's likely because they managed to find strategies and tools to keep them motivated and disciplined. Unfortunately, they're too emotionally unintelligent to figure out how to relay those strategies or tools in a useful way. But there's still good things to take from them, make sure your nutrition is dialed in, make sure you're not addicted to tech/screens, start understanding and learning how to focus, get some understanding of the attentional system. Use whatever resources you need to succeed, you might find you use the meds for a long time, might find you stop and do fine. It's literally up to you.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most sensible post ITT. Yeah, to people without any neurological issues, any problems they've had in their lives probably WERE laziness and lack of discipline. So if these people see an ADHD patient lollygaging, they think to themselves "hey, I was lazy then I snapped out of it! You just need to stop being lazy!" And cannot fathom that there could be more underlying cerebral issues that one does not merely "snap out" of.

  48. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    you need to eat a metric fuck ton of protein.

  49. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    ADHD is not real and anyone who says otherwise is a gay with no self-control or governance.

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