If I learn Muay Thai and BJJ what am I missing for street fights or MMA?

  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wrestling.
    I do both Muay Thai and bjj but alas I'm no spring chicken and my knees are shot from a lifetime of footy, so no wrestling for me.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      I like judo better though.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Judo is great too, but alas similarly trashes your knees. I can only really go for sacrifice throws and foot sweeps nowadays

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why does judo destroy knees?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            A lot of judo throws require you to drop to your knees to throw your opponent over your shoulder. If you aren't blessed with great knee genetics you will accumulate wear and tear.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              aren't the mats soft enough?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not super soft no, you feel it after a while. Not relevant if you are in your teens/20s but when you are 30+ your knees begin to complain

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I recommend doing bird dogs, greatest exercise anyone can do for relieving pain from the knees and shoulders.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, but do note that wrestling is great for MMA, but it's much less useful in street fights where you are not sure if others will jump into the fight. Being able to wrestle somebody to the ground is not that useful if their friend hits you from behind.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's bjj. Wrestling is picking someone up and slamming their skull into the concrete.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          wrestling is a grappling art form, Judo is more throws

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Freestyle wrestling is basically sport judo, 90% of the action happens on the feet. Plus there's no point kneecapping yourself in a 1v1 situation.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That isn’t true. If you can stand and strike you can also run away. Grappling is extremely useful because most fights end up on the ground and then you can’t run away.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          what are you talking about wrestling is literally the most important because every fight ends up on the floor

          >every fight ends up on the floor
          Confirmed for never been in a fight.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            sounds like u havent buddy

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        what are you talking about wrestling is literally the most important because every fight ends up on the floor

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bjj should help with take downs already

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It really doesn't. BJJ exists in a world where strikes don't exist and being on bottom is okay, if not preferable for some, which is just not the case in real life. You need some actual wrestling to teach you what's what, and to keep yourself on your feet if need be.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh yeah, and for staying on your feet, judo will also be very very good. If you can find a judo gym that teaches leg attacks, that's probably the sweet spot, because wrestling exists in a world where people wear spandex or nothing, and learning to grab clothes is a huge advantage.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Put Em Down, Take Em Out by Don Pentecost

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    We get this question every day.

    The truth is that there's no complete system of fighting.

    >Boxing is great but it has artificial limitations (no hitting on the crown, no protection from kicks, no protection from elbows, no real clinch)

    >Muay thai is great but it doesn't have any real footwork and no protection from take downs

    >BJJ is great but it isn't realistic if someone is trying to punch you

    >TKD is great but it doesn't do leg kicks

    Street fights are unpredictiable and often have more than one person involved. It doesn't matter how great you are, if someone starts shit with you and grabs your sweatshirt and 3 of his friends sucker punch you then you get nowhere. You also don't want to kick if your on gravel or wet grass, so you don't even know what you're preparing for. Especially in America. 9 times out 10 some retard will try to shoot you over fender bender and men don't know how to fight here anymore.

    If you learn muay thai and BJJ you're better than 99% of people, but your conditioning and actual strength training is going to make a difference. Most of those guys are just dyel lanklets that can kick high. That's great, but if they fight someone bigger than them they'll just get crowded and punched in the face.

    tl;dr -- there's no bulletproof solution but the more you learn the better off you are

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    there is a big difference between sparing or fighting in the ring and street fighting. Street fighting is for real, for survival, there are no rules. You might lose. Avoid at all cost, even if you have to run away. If you have to fight you are fighting for your life, shoot, stab, spray with mace and then shoot and stab. If you are just looking for good exercise and to learn something you may need, start with boxing, yes, boxing, then Muay thai. You never want to go to the ground in a street fight. That said, BJJ is good in case you go down and need to fight on the ground - you will be using your knife in a street fight. Watch vids on youtube about real street fights to see how they go.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >boxing
      You know what they taught soldiers and knights? Not boxing. When weapons are involved you need grappling and the ability to assert control over someone. This is why wrestling was a staple of European martial arts as well as all cultures around human history for all of human history.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Knights actually did box if you look at the reports from back then and some ofthe Fechtbücher, but the training is completely unknown (if there even was systematic striking training at all). It was either hammering the other guy if you were wearing a gauntlet, or striking weak spots as in the throat, eyes, solar plexus etc.

        But yeah stand up grappling always was and is the most important.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    A gun

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    rule one in a street fight: never go to the ground. I have seen this way too many times. Guys figting in a bar or on the street taking a guy to the ground and getting kicks against their heads from his oponents friends.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody believes you've been to a bar. And if you have, certainly not enough times to have witnessed multiple fights. Get lost, LARPer

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        dude, we have something in europe you burgers don't even know what it is. We have fights every weekends and sometimes midweeks.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          wong clip

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody believes you go to football games, participate in ultra antics, or watch the fights therefrom. You're on IST, you're permanently discredited.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            everybody knows IST and IST and normieboards and we actually have sex.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >never

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This
      drunks of any race just turn into monkeys once fighting starts
      T. bouncer at popular local nightclub for many years

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't learn wrestling
      >gets taken down
      >gets head caved in by the ground and stomps
      Nice one. Wrestling defense is just as important as offense.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    just some sort of takedown, be it wrestling or judo based
    maybe knife fighting if you want to prepare for actual street fights

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good hands and good tdd defence wich is the most important thing in unarmed street fights.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    An actual weapon like a gun.
    Alternatively learn boxing and pull a knife on them.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Actual weapon training both firearms and sticks/staves drilling, you need to be prepared.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're planning on street fighting learn gun-fu. If you're planning on MMA train MMA?

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    street fights are won with an apology and neutralizing force, even if it wasn't your fault. you don't get any life points for getting involved in a street fight, esp with today's surveillance state and 4k video cameras in everyone's hands
    >i'm sorry bro, didn't want to offend
    practice not having an ego for reps 3x10s. if you got kids and a wife to protect carry mace and/or ccw. think real hard about what situation you'd really shoot someone, there's not many

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      why wouldn't you learn a martial art regardless? you don't know if a crazy person is going to do something.

      take a look at a festival (can't carry weapons) or something where you are enjoying yourself and some drunk starts aggressing bc you made eye contact and won't take no for an answer. you can come up with thousands of these scenarios. why would it ever be better to be unprepared than to be prepared

      https://i.imgur.com/9GX2wrZ.jpg

      nothing really, as long as the BJJ works takedowns and the MT works trips/clinch throws. I personally like boxing+wrestling myself

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >yeah bro just do what the guy is telling you and give him what he wants, apologize, and uh yeah everything will go fine

      https://www.wlbt.com/2022/09/13/man-accused-killing-tupelo-store-clerk-charged-with-capital-murder-could-face-death-penalty/

      >Police said Singh surrendered some money and opened a safe for Copeland. Copeland then ordered Singh to the floor, jumped over the counter, then shot the victim, according to authorities.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wow take my upvote and gold my fellow redditor.
      Fuck off you weak cunt

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    DO
    JUDO
    moron

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was a bouncer for 3 years.
    Boxing and some sort of grappling is best by fucking miles and miles.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Drop both and learn real fighting.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How long have you been doing them? I was planning on learning some striking basics then taking up bjj (if the gym has judo/wrestling instruction) and some Escrima. Best gym I found was Muay Thai but I picked up an injury that’s set me back a long while. Was very fun for me and the conditioning was amazing, but it seems maybe the most injury prone style. And everyone who’d been there a few years had a collection of injuries.
    I’m thinking a switch to boxing. Fewer basics to master, less injury possibilities. If it’s only for a year and minimal sparring I’m not too worried about CTE. But the only boxing gym in my area I went to a trial class when I was trying out all the local clubs and then never talked to them again, like 6 months ago, is it weird to go back there now?
    Or should I just start on bjj now if it’s even less injury risk. I’m not planning on fighting mostly an extra physical skill to practice, and fun, and some slightly higher chance of self defence if I get jumped.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is kickboxing a good option if muay thai is not available? The closest gym to me only offers kickboxing, boxing and BJJ, no Muay Thai for some reason. I would assume kickboxing is a good option, what do you guys think?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's good yes, your best option is going to be the options available, but not knowing how to handle yourself in the clinch is a big problem. Muay Thai guys at least know a little what to do if someone grabs them and how to stay up.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I keep seeing shit about going to the ground with multiple opponents. If you're getting into a street fight and your guy is surrounded by lackies, you're already fucked in the brain, a literal retard move.
    Wrestling if you want to win a fight, get into a fight with 5 guys with your boxing if you want to get killed and have the headline say that you, at best, ko'ed one or two of them before someone grabbed a leg.

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