If it is true that nicotine raises test then could moderate smoking be beneficial for gains? Posted on February 13, 2023 by Anonymous If it is true that nicotine raises test then could moderate smoking be beneficial for gains?
Why not just chew nicotine gum like me and get the benefit at a lower cost without the lung damage, OP?
Goddamn. I wish I had thought of that.
your options are chew gum, cigars or patchs
I smoke a cigar once in a blue moon but once i found the befits of nicotine I started using gum
I say patch are good because my friends would use them in side classes for focus
MAN no joke I start this a week ago its great
>Why not just chew nicotine gum like me
because you look like a fucking nerd
smoking is cool
just dont do a pack a day like a smelly aunty
>smoking is cool
says who, your favorite tobacco company?
Why a fictional cartoon camel of course and if he would think I'm cool I would be prettt cool
>smoking is cool
the study said smoking raises test. it says nothing about nicotine itself
this lowers test, any time of vaping lowers test
>Smoking raises test because it has nicotine
>NO! Don't vape nicotine, that lowers test
Thanks Phillip Morris International.
nicotine is good for test and is good for the brain
smoking is cancer causing and Bad for the lungs and brain so the nicotine is moot
vaping is the same thing Inhaling chemicals into your lungs is dangerous and effects your blood by causing your blood vessels to constrict, stiffen, and circulate less oxygen lowing your test
I did not say smoke but using nic is fine I am chewing nic gum now
why would vaping cause high blood pressure?
not a vaper, just curious. I actually just gave it up a few weeks ago, planning to go a whole year without it.
I could be a little off but the general thing is the glycerin in the vape juice causes your bronchioles and alveoli to stiffen lowering there ability to exchange co2 and o2 which leads to your blood being less o2 rich meaning your heart needs to pump more blood for your muscles which is why it raises your blood pressure in turn lowering your test levels
once again the best form of nic is gum
hmm, I was vaping weed. Is there a difference? I feel higher test on weed, but crashed afterwards. I was doing a lot of weed, so I was crashing a lot and ultimately decided to do away with it for a while.
pretty sure that ON it I was higher test. I felt more masculine, more confident, also higher sex drive. don't think there are drugs that do that without the crash afterwards, though.
I am pretty sure that just weed It has long effective on personality after the high is gone and
yes all vapes use one of these: Propylene glycol Vegetable glycerin Polyethylene glycol
or triglycerides which cause high blood press and low test
hmmm. well, I haven't touched any weed in a month, which is the longest since I started using it maybe ~3 years ago. I've definitely been feeling better.
lesson learned, I guess.
Glad my sport med studies payed off
Thc is estrogenic itself iirc. Also, just common sense: being a pothead is not good for your mind or body
does nicotine help with anxiety?
A little bit. Not a solution to the underlying tendency by any means tho. Go volunteer and work with hobos. It helps
It will but the ongoing anxiety-provoking situations will soon return to the same level of anxiety as they had prior to having nicotine
It will kinda calm you down for 10-15 minutes. When you're addicted it mainly calms you down because your satisfying a craving and withdrawal is basically just extreme anxiety
>give yourself jaw and gum cancer instead of lung cancer
Just use the nicotine patches they use to get people off of nicotine. Helps with my (IST related) competitions
nicotine doesn't give you cancer.
Tobacco smoke does.
gum doesn't work the same as chew
Anon is confused about the differences between chewing tobacco and gum. Chewing tobacco will still give you cancer.
Even if true, smoking impairs healing.
good luck smoking "moderately"
>be me, smoked for years
>smoking more than 3 cigs a day feels gross, unless I'm drinking a lot
>the next day I don't really feel like smoking after that
>one cig a day feels just fine
it's far less physical than it's supposed to be, you might need to push through some craving at worst and then you're back to a cig a day
quitting for good is the hard part, every time you eat much, or fuck, or do drugs, or drink, or feel like shit, you'll need that one cig
Sounds like improving willpower raises test. Time to start and quit meth.
I've actually considered that improving willpower indirectly may lead to raising test in the past
>eat much or fuck
The hardest part about quitting snus was getting over the fact that I couldn't get one after sex, it literally felt like half of the experience of the orgasm was missing. Started again after a month
same, its been 2 years and still not addicted to, i smoke only american spirit or similar brand without additives, I can smoke 4-5 cigs a day and then no smoke during one month without problem, I just like smoking so I do it when i want too, I smoke pipe also, i love tobacco so much, the ritual, the smell and taste of a good tobacoo etc
looks like we have the same aryan ancestors along the line, im a britbong and my dad is literally NORF FC bazza but he we could have 1 or 2 smokes with a drink and then never again for ages. i have the same thing i can smoke 1 cig or cigar then never touch it for weeks or months, same as alcohol
Its not as impossible as they make it seem, at least not for everyone. I smoked for 13 years and never went over 7 per day. Even that was too much for my shitty lungs though
JIDF please leace
Snus is infinitely better for you than smoking. Sorry, not sorry to all tarlungs
Tobacco products are carcinogenic, vaping makes you homosexual through test loss
Lead is also needed for optimal testosterone.
>just use this addictive substance IN MODERATION
>just do heroin MODERATELY bro
unironically yes, smoking opium about once a month can be beneficial
>he doesn't iv heroin to get lean
Are you even trying bro
Cigarettes in USA contains up to 17% of sugar used in drying process. 20% in UK. Studies show no lung cancer in countries that didn't use sugar throughout the drying process.
Smoke cigars and you'll be fine
Cigars along with all other tobacco products cause an increase risk or oralpharyngeal cancers. If you want nicotine chew the gum, but the test increase probably will do fuck all, and you’d be better off just sleeping more and eating better
I'm on trt (have kids so don't care). Now I'm just enjoying what I love- whiskey, cigars and my gf
idk but every girl that dates me for longer than 3 months gets a nicotine addiction kek
>match Proxy on feeld
>she lives in the same city, so it's possibly her
>she even messages first
>reply with "interesting how? Hi"
you sound boring af ngl
Fair enough, I'm on IST on Valentines. I guess it's a good thing I never text matches on dating apps as it would all end like this
i didnt realize proxy was some internet celeb but it doesnt matter. you dont just sound boring, you are boring. get some hobbies or something. make yourself more interesting
How the fuck did you get that from
>interesting how? Hi
You didn't immediately launch into a schizoid megalomaniacal monologue, open with a mysterious non sequitur, or counter with a creative neg. No mystery, no eroticism, no panache. You responded like a flummoxed dope and her pussy dried up instantly.
Yep, that sounds like me.
Proxy needs to wear a diaper due all that anal sex just like Lana.
i bet you can dry fist her butthole and she would not even notice it.
You dodged a bullet, man.
Nicotine consumption is highly correlated with hair loss in both men and women
because it raises test?
Its hilarious how ignorant boomers are of biology DHT is what causes hair loss not T but i know why you choose to believe that.
Adel (joey hart) from a set by HouseofTaboo
Seriously tho, she was very pretty. What a fucking life she must had to go on sucking cock for a loving.
do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life
You will suffer only moderate cancer
Picture is kino
yeah suck it bitch
where is this picture from? I keep seeing it posted
never mind just saw it
Nicotine is a carcinogen
If nicotine actually raised test there wouldnt be the huge amount of gigantic feminist allies vaping gays there are currently. Tobacco makes you get gassed doing exercise not matter how much you smoke it
>t. Ex smoker, vaping gay
Cigarettes just taste like absolute shit and nicotine in general requires an iron will to keep under controll. Also unhealthy as fuck. If you really wanna try use nicotine gum, patches or swedish snus which personally am quite addicted to
Even using elfbar vapes and been great get all the benefits of nicotine without it affecting my cardio and not reeking of cigarettes. Helps decreasing appetite as well. Not going to do it for too long because I'm sure vaping is not that good for tour health
i gave up all forms of sweets, sugar and bakery by vaping dessert flavored liquids, i concede that part
Enjoy your diabetes, pneumonia and cancer in a dozen years lad.
It's a minimal boost, negligible in most. It will also do more harm than good if done in any meaningful amount and duration. I currently smoke. It's a bad habit, and I'm not buying more when I finish this carton. I've noticed no meaningful change in test. I enjoy it, but it isn't worth it. And since the nicotine isn't changing anything (and I smoke high-nicotine sticks like American Spirit Black and Djarum 76), I don't see a reason to try gum or patches. Nicotine is also kind of lame as a stimulant.
>he's not on OCAD
Retvrn to yovr roots
Don't ever start smoking. Sincerely, from a smoker
You're best of knowing there is literally NOTHING that will increase your test sigificantly enough to bother other than injecting testosterone.
Posts like this are what convince me that 99% of people on IST are unironically double digit IQ. You read a finding with some sort of correlation, don’t mention how it was obtained, don’t say effect size, don’t bother to see whether it was replicated, and then ask a question about the relationship in isolation of any other potential effects of the supposed mechanism. “People who carry lighters around tend to get lung cancer, should I avoid lighters?” No, retard, people who carry lighters tend to be smokers and smokers tend to get more lung cancer. You read these effects and you don’t question whether they’re valid, don’t question how big the effects are, don’t ask whether the effects are persistent, don’t ask anything that would put a bullet in what you hope is the magic secret that’s gonna boost your testosterone and help you “make it” and escape the mundane mediocrity of your stupid fucking life. I fucking hate IST.
You're the retard who takes posts on here seriously, kek, so looks like you're the one sporting that rare and elusive single digit IQ. Congrats.
And you are a prime example of a midwit who has never read the papers as to how nicotine raises test…typical retard that spouts correlation =/= causation like they’re a genius. No gay, if you actually read the literature (and no I won’t spoon feed you because you’ll only read the abstract at best), you’ll see what the correlation is and what the possible mechanisms are that cause nicotine to increase testosterone.
>getting this emotional about being wrong
Yet another person into "fitness" using this board as their personal cope pool.
any such effects are durable
any such effects don’t come with a host of other health problems
any such effects are effects at all and not a confounded correlation mediated by the association between test and risk taking behavior
there is any research showing that regular smoking does anything whatsoever to generate more than an insignificant blip in test
You don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re just threatened by the idea that what thing can fix your life doesn’t actually do anything. You aren’t only susceptible to this because you’re an idiot, you’re susceptible because your life sucks and you’ll grasp at anything no matter how illusory to imagine it could be better.
Honestly, seeing my elders who smoke and especially my Grandfather and how he's nearing 90 while still being physically active when he's been smoking for 70 years really makes me really think that we've pussified as a species.
Or you are just falling for the smoke bad meme. My great grandpas all lived passed 95+, all were chainsmokers, ate tons of high fat meats being cattle owners, and they all were 6'2+ giants.
you're a fucking retard for even considering this meme. for every chainsmoking grandpa who lives to be 100 there are 10 people who don't make it past 50.
people who cling to isolated exceptions and refuse to listen to what is essentially medical consensus are victims of propaganda from big tobacco who are desperately doing mental gymnastics around the fact that they are gambling with lung cancer
the myth of smoking increases test is coming from one study that simply detected a small positive correlation between smoking and increased test. However, there could be 1000 reasons as why that happends, one of which is that smoking supresses hunger to a degree resulting in less food consumption and thus high test production. also sage moron
>fasting increase test confirmed
Haven't smoked for 2 weeks but... cigarettes helped me a lot when cutting but now when I'm on a cut I have no idea what to use to supress hunger...can't concentrate at all on my work tasks
Built for bwc
Nicotine is a weak 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. That means it prevents the breakdown of dht, an androgen associated with the development of facial hair and also male pattern baldness. Nicotine also has uses as a memory consolidation and reaction time booster. It has some downsides, including immunosuppression and is highly addictive.
Smoking is also fucking terrible for you, regardless of the substance. You don't need to smoke, just chew gum or use a patch.
White women are too cute it's unfair.
based but pretty addictive
shit, although I do love them if i've been out drinking
For me, it's Zyn.
Better off smoking a pipe.
Have you ever considered nicotine patches you fucking idiot?
>most of the IST board knows that sneedoils, goyslop are bad, and stuff like eggs, meat and animal fat are good.
>completely against the current narrative.
>cigs have taxes over 700%, with a huge campaign against them even worse than all the above, but somehow both sides still agree.
Is IST really this retarded? Tobacco is based as fuck, smoke it, chew it, use a pipe or a cigar, but get it in your fucking system, don't fall for the garden gnome meme.
tobacco is one of the big industries run by white people too...wonder why its being attacked and not, say, alcohol or w**d
cigs are based. the only thing im not quitting in my self improvement goals. make sure to smoke additive free stuff such as rollies/american spirits. the really bad stuff from cigs is in the chemichals and shit they put in the tobacco. as others ITT have said people smoke all their life and live well into their 90s. keep it to once or twice a day after work and you wont smell that bad etc. most people dont care unless you absolutely reek of it. the facts are distorted too, yes 80% of lung cancer patients are smokers, but they make up like 10% of heavy smokers
smoke on lads
lol come on man im smoker aswell, but do you believe what you said?
I actually need threads like this. Excluding the fags I have while out drinking I always comeback to smoking every few months. And anons will always be in these threads to beat the sense back into me
>yes I want COPD at 60 and a huge fucking hole in my pocket for 1 extra ng of testosterone
You're unironically better off injecting test
>hate the smell of cigs but anytime I see a girl smoking in bars/nightcluba etc I instantly get a hard on
Why am I like this?
I smoke. My T is low (400).