If it is true that nicotine raises test then could moderate smoking be beneficial for gains?

If it is true that nicotine raises test then could moderate smoking be beneficial for gains?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why not just chew nicotine gum like me and get the benefit at a lower cost without the lung damage, OP?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Goddamn. I wish I had thought of that.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      your options are chew gum, cigars or patchs
      I smoke a cigar once in a blue moon but once i found the befits of nicotine I started using gum

      I say patch are good because my friends would use them in side classes for focus

      MAN no joke I start this a week ago its great

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Why not just chew nicotine gum like me
      because you look like a fricking nerd
      smoking is cool
      just dont do a pack a day like a smelly aunty

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >smoking is cool
        says who, your favorite tobacco company?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why a fictional cartoon camel of course and if he would think I'm cool I would be prettt cool

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >smoking is cool

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the study said smoking raises test. it says nothing about nicotine itself

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      or vape.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        this lowers test, any time of vaping lowers test

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Smoking raises test because it has nicotine
          >NO! Don't vape nicotine, that lowers test
          Thanks Phillip Morris International.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            nicotine is good for test and is good for the brain
            smoking is cancer causing and Bad for the lungs and brain so the nicotine is moot
            vaping is the same thing Inhaling chemicals into your lungs is dangerous and effects your blood by causing your blood vessels to constrict, stiffen, and circulate less oxygen lowing your test

            I did not say smoke but using nic is fine I am chewing nic gum now

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              why would vaping cause high blood pressure?

              not a vaper, just curious. I actually just gave it up a few weeks ago, planning to go a whole year without it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I could be a little off but the general thing is the glycerin in the vape juice causes your bronchioles and alveoli to stiffen lowering there ability to exchange co2 and o2 which leads to your blood being less o2 rich meaning your heart needs to pump more blood for your muscles which is why it raises your blood pressure in turn lowering your test levels

                once again the best form of nic is gum

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hmm, I was vaping weed. Is there a difference? I feel higher test on weed, but crashed afterwards. I was doing a lot of weed, so I was crashing a lot and ultimately decided to do away with it for a while.

                pretty sure that ON it I was higher test. I felt more masculine, more confident, also higher sex drive. don't think there are drugs that do that without the crash afterwards, though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I am pretty sure that just weed It has long effective on personality after the high is gone and

                yes all vapes use one of these: Propylene glycol Vegetable glycerin Polyethylene glycol
                or triglycerides which cause high blood press and low test

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hmmm. well, I haven't touched any weed in a month, which is the longest since I started using it maybe ~3 years ago. I've definitely been feeling better.

                lesson learned, I guess.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Glad my sport med studies payed off

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Thc is estrogenic itself iirc. Also, just common sense: being a pothead is not good for your mind or body

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              does nicotine help with anxiety?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                A little bit. Not a solution to the underlying tendency by any means tho. Go volunteer and work with hobos. It helps

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It will but the ongoing anxiety-provoking situations will soon return to the same level of anxiety as they had prior to having nicotine

              • 1 year ago
                op

                It will kinda calm you down for 10-15 minutes. When you're addicted it mainly calms you down because your satisfying a craving and withdrawal is basically just extreme anxiety

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >give yourself jaw and gum cancer instead of lung cancer
      Just use the nicotine patches they use to get people off of nicotine. Helps with my (/k/ related) competitions

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        nicotine doesn't give you cancer.
        Tobacco smoke does.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        gum doesn't work the same as chew

        nicotine doesn't give you cancer.
        Tobacco smoke does.

        Anon is confused about the differences between chewing tobacco and gum. Chewing tobacco will still give you cancer.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Even if true, smoking impairs healing.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    good luck smoking "moderately"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >be me, smoked for years
      >smoking more than 3 cigs a day feels gross, unless I'm drinking a lot
      >the next day I don't really feel like smoking after that
      >one cig a day feels just fine
      it's far less physical than it's supposed to be, you might need to push through some craving at worst and then you're back to a cig a day
      quitting for good is the hard part, every time you eat much, or frick, or do drugs, or drink, or feel like shit, you'll need that one cig

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like improving willpower raises test. Time to start and quit meth.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I've actually considered that improving willpower indirectly may lead to raising test in the past

      • 1 year ago
        op

        >eat much or frick
        The hardest part about quitting snus was getting over the fact that I couldn't get one after sex, it literally felt like half of the experience of the orgasm was missing. Started again after a month

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        same, its been 2 years and still not addicted to, i smoke only american spirit or similar brand without additives, I can smoke 4-5 cigs a day and then no smoke during one month without problem, I just like smoking so I do it when i want too, I smoke pipe also, i love tobacco so much, the ritual, the smell and taste of a good tobacoo etc

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        looks like we have the same aryan ancestors along the line, im a britbong and my dad is literally NORF FC bazza but he we could have 1 or 2 smokes with a drink and then never again for ages. i have the same thing i can smoke 1 cig or cigar then never touch it for weeks or months, same as alcohol

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Its not as impossible as they make it seem, at least not for everyone. I smoked for 13 years and never went over 7 per day. Even that was too much for my shitty lungs though

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    JIDF please leace

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Snus is infinitely better for you than smoking. Sorry, not sorry to all tarlungs

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tobacco products are carcinogenic, vaping makes you homosexual through test loss

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lead is also needed for optimal testosterone.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >just use this addictive substance IN MODERATION
    >just do heroin MODERATELY bro

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      YES.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      unironically yes, smoking opium about once a month can be beneficial

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't iv heroin to get lean
        Are you even trying bro

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cigarettes in USA contains up to 17% of sugar used in drying process. 20% in UK. Studies show no lung cancer in countries that didn't use sugar throughout the drying process.

    Smoke cigars and you'll be fine

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Cigars along with all other tobacco products cause an increase risk or oralpharyngeal cancers. If you want nicotine chew the gum, but the test increase probably will do frick all, and you’d be better off just sleeping more and eating better

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm on trt (have kids so don't care). Now I'm just enjoying what I love- whiskey, cigars and my gf

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    idk but every girl that dates me for longer than 3 months gets a nicotine addiction kek

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      prime proxy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >be me
      >match Proxy on feeld
      >she lives in the same city, so it's possibly her
      >she even messages first
      >"hm, interesting"
      >reply with "interesting how? Hi"
      >no reply
      God dammit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you sound boring af ngl

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Fair enough, I'm on IST on Valentines. I guess it's a good thing I never text matches on dating apps as it would all end like this

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i didnt realize proxy was some internet celeb but it doesnt matter. you dont just sound boring, you are boring. get some hobbies or something. make yourself more interesting

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              How the frick did you get that from
              >interesting how? Hi

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You didn't immediately launch into a schizoid megalomaniacal monologue, open with a mysterious non sequitur, or counter with a creative neg. No mystery, no eroticism, no panache. You responded like a flummoxed dope and her pussy dried up instantly.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yep, that sounds like me.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Proxy needs to wear a diaper due all that anal sex just like Lana.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          i bet you can dry fist her butthole and she would not even notice it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You dodged a bullet, man.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nicotine consumption is highly correlated with hair loss in both men and women

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      because it raises test?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Its hilarious how ignorant boomers are of biology DHT is what causes hair loss not T but i know why you choose to believe that.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    sauce aaaaaaaagh

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Adel (joey hart) from a set by HouseofTaboo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Seriously tho, she was very pretty. What a fricking life she must had to go on sucking wiener for a loving.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You will suffer only moderate cancer

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Picture is kino

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yeah suck it b***h

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    where is this picture from? I keep seeing it posted

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      never mind just saw it

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    try snus

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nicotine is a carcinogen

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If nicotine actually raised test there wouldnt be the huge amount of gigantic feminist allies vaping homosexuals there are currently. Tobacco makes you get gassed doing exercise not matter how much you smoke it
    >t. Ex smoker, vaping homosexual

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cigarettes just taste like absolute shit and nicotine in general requires an iron will to keep under controll. Also unhealthy as frick. If you really wanna try use nicotine gum, patches or swedish snus which personally am quite addicted to

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Even using elfbar vapes and been great get all the benefits of nicotine without it affecting my cardio and not reeking of cigarettes. Helps decreasing appetite as well. Not going to do it for too long because I'm sure vaping is not that good for tour health

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i gave up all forms of sweets, sugar and bakery by vaping dessert flavored liquids, i concede that part

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Elfbar
      >Vape

      Enjoy your diabetes, pneumonia and cancer in a dozen years lad.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a minimal boost, negligible in most. It will also do more harm than good if done in any meaningful amount and duration. I currently smoke. It's a bad habit, and I'm not buying more when I finish this carton. I've noticed no meaningful change in test. I enjoy it, but it isn't worth it. And since the nicotine isn't changing anything (and I smoke high-nicotine sticks like American Spirit Black and Djarum 76), I don't see a reason to try gum or patches. Nicotine is also kind of lame as a stimulant.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >he's not on OCAD
    OCAD
    OMAD
    GOMAD
    Retvrn to yovr roots

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Don't ever start smoking. Sincerely, from a smoker

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You're best of knowing there is literally NOTHING that will increase your test sigificantly enough to bother other than injecting testosterone.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Posts like this are what convince me that 99% of people on IST are unironically double digit IQ. You read a finding with some sort of correlation, don’t mention how it was obtained, don’t say effect size, don’t bother to see whether it was replicated, and then ask a question about the relationship in isolation of any other potential effects of the supposed mechanism. “People who carry lighters around tend to get lung cancer, should I avoid lighters?” No, moron, people who carry lighters tend to be smokers and smokers tend to get more lung cancer. You read these effects and you don’t question whether they’re valid, don’t question how big the effects are, don’t ask whether the effects are persistent, don’t ask anything that would put a bullet in what you hope is the magic secret that’s gonna boost your testosterone and help you “make it” and escape the mundane mediocrity of your stupid fricking life. I fricking hate IST.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're the moron who takes posts on here seriously, kek, so looks like you're the one sporting that rare and elusive single digit IQ. Congrats.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      And you are a prime example of a midwit who has never read the papers as to how nicotine raises test…typical moron that spouts correlation =/= causation like they’re a genius. No homosexual, if you actually read the literature (and no I won’t spoon feed you because you’ll only read the abstract at best), you’ll see what the correlation is and what the possible mechanisms are that cause nicotine to increase testosterone.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >getting this emotional about being wrong
        Yet another person into "fitness" using this board as their personal cope pool.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        any such effects are durable
        any such effects don’t come with a host of other health problems
        any such effects are effects at all and not a confounded correlation mediated by the association between test and risk taking behavior
        there is any research showing that regular smoking does anything whatsoever to generate more than an insignificant blip in test

        You don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re just threatened by the idea that what thing can fix your life doesn’t actually do anything. You aren’t only susceptible to this because you’re an idiot, you’re susceptible because your life sucks and you’ll grasp at anything no matter how illusory to imagine it could be better.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, seeing my elders who smoke and especially my Grandfather and how he's nearing 90 while still being physically active when he's been smoking for 70 years really makes me really think that we've pussified as a species.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Or you are just falling for the smoke bad meme. My great grandpas all lived passed 95+, all were chainsmokers, ate tons of high fat meats being cattle owners, and they all were 6'2+ giants.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you're a fricking moron for even considering this meme. for every chainsmoking grandpa who lives to be 100 there are 10 people who don't make it past 50.

      people who cling to isolated exceptions and refuse to listen to what is essentially medical consensus are victims of propaganda from big tobacco who are desperately doing mental gymnastics around the fact that they are gambling with lung cancer

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ~~*medical consensus*~~

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the myth of smoking increases test is coming from one study that simply detected a small positive correlation between smoking and increased test. However, there could be 1000 reasons as why that happends, one of which is that smoking supresses hunger to a degree resulting in less food consumption and thus high test production. also sage Black person

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >fasting increase test confirmed

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Haven't smoked for 2 weeks but... cigarettes helped me a lot when cutting but now when I'm on a cut I have no idea what to use to supress hunger...can't concentrate at all on my work tasks

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Built for bwc

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nicotine is a weak 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. That means it prevents the breakdown of dht, an androgen associated with the development of facial hair and also male pattern baldness. Nicotine also has uses as a memory consolidation and reaction time booster. It has some downsides, including immunosuppression and is highly addictive.

    Smoking is also fricking terrible for you, regardless of the substance. You don't need to smoke, just chew gum or use a patch.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    White women are too cute it's unfair.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >nicotine
    based but pretty addictive
    >cigs
    shit, although I do love them if i've been out drinking

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it's Zyn.

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Better off smoking a pipe.

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Have you ever considered nicotine patches you fricking idiot?

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >most of the IST board knows that sneedoils, goyslop are bad, and stuff like eggs, meat and animal fat are good.
    >completely against the current narrative.
    >cigs have taxes over 700%, with a huge campaign against them even worse than all the above, but somehow both sides still agree.
    Is IST really this moronic? Tobacco is based as frick, smoke it, chew it, use a pipe or a cigar, but get it in your fricking system, don't fall for the israelite meme.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      tobacco is one of the big industries run by white people too...wonder why its being attacked and not, say, alcohol or w**d

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    cigs are based. the only thing im not quitting in my self improvement goals. make sure to smoke additive free stuff such as rollies/american spirits. the really bad stuff from cigs is in the chemichals and shit they put in the tobacco. as others ITT have said people smoke all their life and live well into their 90s. keep it to once or twice a day after work and you wont smell that bad etc. most people dont care unless you absolutely reek of it. the facts are distorted too, yes 80% of lung cancer patients are smokers, but they make up like 10% of heavy smokers
    smoke on lads

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      lol come on man im smoker aswell, but do you believe what you said?

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I actually need threads like this. Excluding the gays I have while out drinking I always comeback to smoking every few months. And anons will always be in these threads to beat the sense back into me

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >yes I want COPD at 60 and a huge fricking hole in my pocket for 1 extra ng of testosterone
    You're unironically better off injecting test

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >If

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >hate the smell of cigs but anytime I see a girl smoking in bars/nightcluba etc I instantly get a hard on
    Why am I like this?

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I smoke. My T is low (400).
    Don't smoke.

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