>Does nothing for your physique
>Zero strength applications outside of sports
>One way trip to snap city, free of charge
Imagine Deadlifting
>Does nothing for your physique
>Zero strength applications outside of sports
>One way trip to snap city, free of charge
post body
okay
No legs Lt Dan?
In case you didn't figure it out, this is larp. Guy's called Lobo Estepario
yea thats the joke retard, hes famous for only doing calisthenics
who cares he looks great
This is the most brain dead bait I’ve ever seen, sage
>be 29 and attractive
>do heavy deadlifts for normie standards (4 plates)
>zoomer thots always mirin'
>>Zero strength applications outside of sports
But i train for sport
>Zero strength applications outside of sports
what sport prioritizes diddlys over cleans?
I just tried for the first time and I can do 2 plates easy. Why do people make a big deal about this exercise? I felt it pretty good in my lower back and legs for sure
>I can do 2 plates easy
That's not impressive whatsoever.
twice that should be the bare minimum for an adult male
I'm still going to DL and you can't stop me.
There is a subtle thickness to people who do deadlifts that people who don't do them have.
Better question is why not do stiff leg deads instead. Better lower back isolation by far.
Stif- Ack! Deadlifts are more harder to do and definitely in the snap city territory. I like them though, trains my ass and hamstrings well.
DL aren't even that dangerous of a compound, your grip typically fails before any other working part does. The most you'll do is pull a hamstring, or at worst slip a disc or rip a bicep if you're an ego lifting/roiding tard. That sounds bad, but a failed squat, bench or OHP will become a weighted guillotine, ready to take you straight from snap city to the fucking grave.
This isn't to say weighted machines are safer also, they are even worse and should be considered medieval torture devices designed to quickly rupture muscles and tendons of clueless dyel retards. Anyone who has visited rekt threads knows that this to be true. Leg press and smith machine are about as safe as a Chinese escalator.
>lift for physique
>neglect glutes, hamstrings and forearms
lol post body
And you people wonder how you injure your backs. You injure your backs by having weak back muscles. You get god-tier back muscles from doing deadlifts.
dl is pay to win. If you have an amazing bar your deadlift skyrockets
Wut
diddly bar makes diddly weight go up
do you even diddly?
ie specialized bars for diddly? I just have a home gym with the first barbell I could snag from the local marketplace, I wasn't aware that there's that much of a difference between the barbells
DL bars have more bend in them, so when you take the slack out of the bar, you can lift the bar ~2" but the plates will stay on the ground, therefore reducing your ROM
there are plenty of differences between PL, hybrid, and WL bars. but to the average lifter, they wont notice or even care. not even getting started on specialty bars
Doesn't count
If you brag about your deadlift and you use a deadlift bar you're unironically in the same boat as someone bragging about unracking a weight they can't handle, dipping down one inch and calling it a squat PR
Either you were on an empty stomach or you have a medical issue
If the first don't lift fasted it's a meme, get some sugar in at the very least
If the second talk to a doctor
DL bars let you lift more weight but that more weight does not equate to more gains. They exist solely to stroke egos.
>Either you were on an empty stomach or you have a medical issue
I ate 2 hours prior. I asked the trainers there and he said dependend on how I breathe and how much, it happens. Mostly happens to people that take too much air in so the head
You can only take air into your lungs anon
blood requires oxygen though.
Meant to say it's due taking in too much air.
Like taking in very deep breath and holding it (Valsalva maneuver) to my increase intra-abdominal pressure which he said can help stabilize the my form (spine, chest) and improve the mechanics of y lift.
However, I read it's unlikely that this would cause someone to pass out unless they were also holding their breath for an excessively long period of time. But I do the sets very slowly so I do assume I have some lack of oxygen at some point.
Maybe I overdid it, my blood pressure dropped hard and so I had the feel of fatigue. Will keep it under check.
Oh wait I just realized that was your FIRST time deadlifting and he slapped you on 200kg 4x8. Yeah that was just way too many reps, too many sets, AND too much weight. Your trainer sounds like a dumbass, no offence.
100kg I mean
>If you have an amazing bar your deadlift skyrockets
Not massively. My pull on a decent bar and a 50mm axle are about 10-15kg apart
Why? Because bar bending = harder to get off ground, or is it grip/handle related?
Not that guy, but back when I was stronger I used to like using a women's barbell for heavy deadlifts because I found the thinner bar easier to lock in a hook grip.
More bend makes it easier to get off the ground. You aren't lifting the full weight until the plates no longer contact the floor.
I have a love:hate relationship with deadlifts.
Half the year I skip them because the gains:fatigue ratio is so bad
The other half I begrudgingly do them because it's kinda fun to load up the bar with that much weight and because they give my trap doms the next day like nothing else.
>Zero strength applications outside of sports
are you baiting or retarded? dl probably has the most applications out of all the compound lifts. How often are you having to lift heavy stuff off the ground? Probably more often then pressing something heavy or pulling yourself up.
ahh, I never have to lift "heavy" stuff in terms of deadlift "heavy". Deadlifters can only lift the weight up. They can't actually do anything with the weight as it is too heavy. This has very little application to anything.
>3 months into the gym
>some trainer recommended to add deadlift to enhance my squts and ankle and hip mobility
>do them
>start with 100kg (bit over 200lbs) for 4x8
>almost blacked out
Never experiences something like that, like I've seen only black for a moment
Still evaluating if deadlifts are worth it senpais
4x8 is too much, do 5x5. Hell starting strength says 1x5. Also did you even warm up, or just lift 200lb like an idiot.
I ran 5min before and did 10min on the rowing machine like usual.
Fren of mine said I should never either of them when going for legs the same day. Still fugirung out if I combine Bench + Squats + Deads on same day or do squats on day 1 and deadlifts on another day. What do you think will work the best?
separate days
I do deadlifts on back days
If you're this new to lifting, follow a cookie cutter novice program like alpha destiny's.
Even stronglifts 5x5 actually only does a 1x5 of deadlifts every other workout. Deadlifts work best with 1 full working set, just do plenty of warmup. I saw great progress when first trying to reach 4pl8 doing 5rm, adding 10kg, doing 3 reps, adding 10kg and doing one. Afterwards I would do a couple sets of kneeling lat pulldowns and that would be literally all of my back volume for the day. This got me from 3pl8 to 4pl8 in about 10 weeks, and got me from 0 pull-ups to 3-5 depending on the day in the same timeframe, also my lats exploded so fast in about a 4 month period I got stretch marks on them despite losing 25lbs in the same timeframe. Deadlifts are absolutely amazing for strength especially in the noob phase, combined with a proper row/pull-up you'll have literally everything you need to build a ton of back mass.
everytime you start a new exercise you haven't done before you start with low weight, going higher till you feel comfortable with it. starting with 100kg without knowing what your body can handle is retarded.
You definitely shouldn't have started with 100kg. You start with like 60kg and just work up over time, also 4x8 is an absurd set/rep scheme for deadlifts. You shouldn't really do more than the 5-8 range on deadlifts and you really don't need more than a set or two of proper work. For example, madcow has "4 sets" of deadlifts, but the only the 3rd and 4th are really difficult in any way and the 3rd is significantly easier than the 4th. My advice is work up to ONE top set with deadlifts of no more than 5 reps. That alone will do more than enough for insane strength growth and back pump.
Alright, I will stay for comfy 80kg then because 100kg was alright but I suffered in the form and you guys are right, better start slow.
Will go for 1x5 for warmup and 3x5 for proper then (with 80kg for now each)
start at 60kg and add like 5kg per session, taking that extra month to build up will benefit you a lot long term and you'll plateau much later. Deadlifts can be surprisingly technical so taking the extra time to actually learn the movement can make a HUGE difference.
If you start at 80kg and increase 5kg per week, let's say you plateau at 110kg and have to deload to 90kg to progress. By the time the deload is over, you will be at the same point you would have been at had you started at 60kg and therefore had more time to build up strength. You will then proceed to plateau again sooner than if you start a bit lower, and will make less gains long term and potentially lose months of progress. Worse, your form could be shit long term and you stand more to risk in terms of injury. Just swallow the pride and do "low" weights for a month or two while you learn how to harness your whole body in a way you presumably never have.
Alright, thanks fren will do that
How much would you recommend doing Diddies though? Once a week or do it 3 times a week (I do at the moment 3 times full-body in a week). I've read somewhere that Deadlifts are so heavy, that you shouldn't do them multiple times in a week (?).
But you have a good POV.
At least once per week, no more than twice. Really can't recommend deadlifting *heavy* more than once a week though. Second session doing something like 50% of your 1rm and doing like 10 rep sets and focusing on really strict technique can be beneficial. It depends a bit on how much you are squatting heavy since they are both hip hinges. At a time when I was new (bad mobility from no athletic experience) I couldn't squat heavy, so I got a lot out of twice per week, doing conventional one day and a variation the other. Once my mobility was fixed and I started getting an appreciable weight on the bar for squats, I couldn't do deadlifts that much because it was just too much fatigue.
TL;DR no more than once per week unless you're barely squatting at all (you should be squatting) then maybe twice.
Thanks for that!
Do paused reps at top if you do light weight deadlifts.
You can induce a blackout just by the posterior stress kind of like how people will push a shit so hard they pass out on the toilet. Learn to breathe under load recommend planks for this. And don't pause too long with the bar raised put that shit down
That was because you did more than your body can handle. The strength is there but the body's conditioning in other areas are lacking. You need more cardio.
Your muscles consume oxygen and heavy lifts like deadlifts use a lot of different muscle groups so they can potentially consume all the oxygen in your body which your brain needs a steady continuous amount for you to stay conscious. This is something that's easily alleviated by either improving your cardio or taking longer breaks in between sets.
deadlift not even once
>>Zero strength applications outside of sports
you don't lift shit off the ground? ever?
sage
If you're really worried about injury then stick to doing double overhand. You will not be able to lift a weight heavy enough to hurt yourself,
This also, start lower and stick to double overhand so you can build proper grip. It would be pathetic to be using over-under or straps and barely be doing 2pl8. Also, I cannot recommend chin-ups enough as your other main back exercise, if you can't do them kneeling lat pulldowns are ideal, normal lat pulldowns are okay, any sort of proper row that requires stability like a pendlay row or inverted row will do a lot too.
Most back progress I ever made was just this:
3x(5,3,1) Deadlift (increase 5kg per session)
3x8-12 kneeling lat pulldown (later chin ups when I got stronger) RPE 8-10
3x8-12 Hammer Curl RPE 8-10
Everything after that is overcomplicated and frankly unnecessary for a beginner.
That's why you do power cleans and other movements to build up physique and strength.
Are these really the muscles that you're supposed to work with a deadlift? I'm pretty confident with my form, but it feels completely different to me. Those muscles look more like what you would use in a squat.
No. Not much going on in the calves during a deadlift. Hams and glutes, yes. Traps and spinal erectors should be highlighted as well.
>4 disc herniation threads since yesterday
lol
i only do deadlifts when i pick up the bar for shrugs and rows
Deadlifts are one of the best complex core exercises around. Maybe you're just bad. Here's a YT video to git gud.
I goofed. I meant this video.
same as squats. useless. lunges, single leg rdl, so many better exercises.
The only reason to get good at deadlifts is so you can deadlift heavier weights to get in to position for farmers walks
>People never lift things more than 5 pounds off the floor ever in their lives.
Must be nice. Squats and Deadlifts have massive benefits outside the scope of getting better at the lifts.
For average people 100kg should be the limit imo.
strawman. I lift 20kg things sometimes, rarely 40kg, and never 100kg like a typical deadlift.
invalid argument. Working in a warehouse I was daily lifting anywhere between 70 to 160 lbs multiple times a day. I didn't get tired because I lifted more with the iron while people that didn't wondered why I never get tired.
Most people don't do physical labor.
Not an excuse to be weak.
It wasn't the point, fag.
>lifting anywhere between 70 to 160 lbs
illegal. health and safety violation. over 45lb requires two people or more
Depends on the country gay. In Australia it's literally just "don't lift more than you can safely". It used to be a specific limit, but they got rid of it because it's dumb.
you've never worked in a warehouse
Gives you a beastly back and hams
Picrel my high volume deadlift routine today
Also that time includes all the other lifts , it didn't take me 2.5 hours to do just deadlift
Maybe upper back but you still need chin ups for lats.
what app?
>tfw routine has 3x8 deadlifts at the end of my workout so i'm never doing much weight
I even lifted entire pallets of light shipments at times and the strength required for to maintain the leverage without breaking shit wouldn't be possible without the heavier lifts from the barbells even though what I was lifting at work wasn't a bar. Without the weight training I'd be just like everybody else there.
>beginner lifter
>started on SS 5x5
>took the deadlift pill from day one
>using low weights and ultra strict form starting out
>build up confidence to use heavy weight
>throw out my back eventually
>rest for a few weeks
>begin deadlifting again
>throw out back
>rest for a few weeks
>begin deadlifting again
>throw out back
>stopped deadlifting all together
>no more back pain
If you aren't a power lifter, don't dead lift. There is way better ways of working glutes, hamstrings, and low back.
git gud
>SS
>5x5
bot post
I’ve done deadlifts for 15 years and hurt my back 3 times. How can you hurt yourself two times in such a short timespan? It’s mind boggling to me.
>ultra strict form starting out
Clearly didn't keep it up lmao
>Most people don't do physical labor.
People better stop thinking like that.
Today I will remind them. People throw out their backs lifting little things off the floor and from getting up off of chairs all the time without any weights in their life.
I’ve been doing deadlifts. Here’s where I’m at rn.
>ACK, my back! Once you turn 30 there's nothing you can do about it, you just get old. Guess I'll sit in my couch and drink IPAs from now on
You can speed it up to your 20s if you start deadlifts right away
If you hurry you can probably catch the next train to snap city
Truly, quitters will use any excuse under the book.
Yea, maybe if you do it wrong or go too hard to quick for any length of time. Most dudes in between sets count the time but what they should be doing is feeling how their body feels after a lift. All it really takes is to acquire the pump or feel something with the intent to grow stronger from the onset and not necessarily strict discipline. Outside of strength gains, aesthetics, and generally being better than other people the iron can make a man know himself better than any teacher on Earth could possibly teach him. Soreness is a good feeling despite what it does because once the soreness fades, new gains remain. People don't have to work to exhaustion. That's actually were injury occurs the most.
True, however deadlifts more than any other common lift will fuck you up for having bad technique
The risk to reward ratio is a joke, if your back curves even a bit your fucked for life, and for what? What do deadlifts give you that you couldn't get with a safer lift?
>Curves a bit
It probably curves a lot before it breaks but people aren't aware. Also you can do other exercises to make the back stronger while bending. It's why training with common house hold tools like a wood chopping axe as a melee weapon is great. You take wide arching swings and curve that back in ultimate safety while giving your core a great workout. The hardest punches utilize the back being thrown into it which is a twisting motion to a degree. Back bending when felt is your sign to stop. It doesn't just snap like a twig on the first bend. There's usually a lot of bends before injuries.
Anecodtally, i get way less injured doing strongman training than just powerlifting style. More varied movements is better long term.
exactly, as long as you're not retarded about load those movements bulletproof your lower back.
>if your back curves even a bit your fucked for life,
This is not true
Plus you got to think ahead. If you exhaust all your strength for quick strength gains you leave yourself temporarily weaker against physical attacks. I don't work until exhaustion anymore and I'm still improving.
Skill issue
How is this NOT bad for your upper back and spine?
Upper back is not really used. It comes down to form really. Deadlifts are deceptive in that you will be able to lift weight that's too heavy for you by changing the form. That's how guys end up all fucked up, when they're beyond their max and then you start to see them engaging their back. Most people are used to picking up light objects by bending at the waist, that doesn't work for 200 lbs, you need to unfuck that instinct
You aren't supposed to engage your back? How else would I lift it if not with my back?
I mean I could drop my hips and basically just squat the weight up, but that doesn't seem right.
>deadlifts
>upper back is not really used
you havent lifted once in your life. deadlifts hits the entire posterior chain
yes you do. you have to engage your lats, brace core and push with your legs.
Thanks, thought so.
I'll continue lifting with the best form I can and I won't pay any attention to DYELs on the internet.
I have never once deadlifted and felt anything in my upper back
Im stalling at 160 kg and i think its because of my grip, i do one, and feel like i could do another, but the bar starts slipping, how to gripmax?
>>Does nothing for your physique
Adds mass to traps, erectors, glutes, hamstrings, forearms
>>Zero strength applications outside of sports
Having a strong back and grip is useful in nearly every situation you will ever be in
>>One way trip to snap city, free of charge
Only if you do it wrong
How many times do we need to go over this shit on IST? Stop being a pussy. Do the lifts that have worked for 100 years.
> T. has no idea how to deadlift
>another thread with DYEL skinnyfats trashing a lift they can't do.
It's all so fucking tiring.
>be me
>be deadlifting for almost 30 years
>never hurt my back deadlifting even once in all that time
>pulling close to 600 at age 49, on point to be hitting 600 before I reach age 50
>laugh at the 20 year olds who spend all their time working upper body or who toil away on machines for their lower body work while they have chicken legs and no back thickness
Yeah, I'd say deadlifting is good. Just don't be a fucking mongoloid ego lifter, get a good belt, and you'll be fine. Only fucking idiots get broke off deadlifting.
I just do high rep RDL's.
30 year old boomer that got back into lifting after a decade off, and my conventional deadlifts is miles ahead of my squat so focusing on that. Also became a bench connoisseur, which I hated in my late teens.
Only thing that sucks is that I am going to be weak off the floor when/if I eventually get into normal diddlies, so that will have to be fixed.
Otherwise 6-10 rep range RDL's is peak comfy and productive. I put all the thots at my gym to shame with my form and ROM, I have beat them at their one and only game of sticking out your ass in the most aesthetic way possible.
Nothing wrong with RDLs.
I was always fortunate that my squat and dead were close together. Oddly, my dead progressed the most as I got older while my squat kind of flatlined, haven't gone above 510 in almost 20 years, but the goal is to hold on to 500 for a max for a few more years as long as the body is good with it.
Keep showing up the gym thots, anon.
One time i was doin deadlifts and felt a pop in my leg. Shit felt legitmately injured for like a week. Thats when i felt the importance of warming up for a deadlift. Basically i just threw weight on like 85 percent of what i was gonna lift but i mean i did like 20 bodyweight squats and rode the bike prior. So idk how much warming up i needed. Also the pop didnt hurt at the time. So i just completed the sets. Left went home two days later it started to hurt. Idk what happened. Probably minor strain. Locked my knees too early or something idk. Now im real fuckin careful bros
I should mention the pop was in the knee
Normal warming up is 1pl8, 2pl8 or alternatively 1.5pl8, 2.5pl8 and so on until working set weight. Sometimes I also like to hit slightly higher than work set for a single just to fire up your brain, makes the sets feel easier. I do this for literally everything.
That makes sense anon. Im going go try this advice.
Ive just been doing the bodyweight sqauts and a real light set or two before going up. This sounds good. I can incorporate this.
Also i dont lock the knees anymore
This. If I'm pulling in the 500s, it'll be:
>1x10 @ 135 lbs.
>1x5 @ 225
>1x3 @ 315
>1x2 @ 405
>1x1 @ 455
>1x1 @ 500
I'll walk 2 minutes or so between warm-up sets to keep the blood flowing, and so far, so good. I used to be an idiot, get to the gym late, and start my warm-ups with 225 or 315, but fuck that shit, I'm too old for that nonsense now.
Deadlift seems more natural than squat to me. When I squat without a bar, I can’t get below a quarter squat without tucking and rounding and lifting heels and so on so I just don’t do it.
That's just shit balance/coordination and/or mobility. I can almost guarantee your deadlift form is suffering from it too.
Gotta open your hips up. Wider stance toes out
yeah this works, but then I still leave forward quite a bit. It seems more like I should be doing wide stance deadlift or goblet squat then back squat.
nah no mobility stuff helps. I have fucked up back from when Iraqi dropped me over his knee or something and then car crash later in life, or just scoliosis or something. Either way, it is not like other people's spines at all.
I deadlift 5 pl8s for 3x3 conventional, I very rarely stalled after doing hip thrusts regularly, while i squat 365 for 5. never had actual backpain, just sore once in a blue moon