In his prime was there anyone that could take him down in a street fight (no weapons allowed)?
In his prime was there anyone that could take him down in a street fight (no weapons allowed)?
In his prime was there anyone that could take him down in a street fight (no weapons allowed)?
probably any and all prominent wrestlers and grapplers of the time
>wrestlers
hopefully you're trolling
unless you think im talking about pro wrestling you are wrong, sure wrestling doesnt teach finishes, but whats tyson gonna do if hes on the ground being controlled with ease? doesnt take much technical skill to just throw ground and pound from top position and just batter his face. To imply that tyson is going to have any experience or idea of how to fight a wrestler or react to the takedown is moronic. Sure lets say 20% of the time the wrestler gets caught and knocked out, but the very moment he can reach tysons hips its over.
he will bite their face off, he did it to holyfields ear. why do grapplers/wrestlers think that just because leg humping works in mma it will work in the streets? be prepared for elbows to the back of the head and spine plus the mentioned biting.
another krav maga moron trying to shill his moronic eye pokes and biting shit, the wrestler isnt just gonna topple over because he got bit, its just gonna piss him off make him punch mike harder. it sounds like its you guys that dont understand street fighting. The second the wrestler takes him down theres a likelihood mike smashes his head on concrete and dies instantly
cool story bro, i bet your wrestling heroes are really strong punchers and can brake the hug of a 230 pound Black person while he bites their face off.
wrestling judo sambo sumo whatever they would all eat mike alive
yeah, they can. Its not that hard to break a tight hold as a wrestler and would probably use it to secure underhooks and looks for a takedown. Also i think if we are talking picking an opponent for a street fight then we can assume we are using a wrestler around Mikes weight.
than how come lay and pray is getting stand up in mma? a lot of times they just hug and "try" to get a submission or can't even do anything about being hugged.
my challenge to you guys for the coming week, take all of your intricate boxing knowledge to a wrestling/mma/bjj gym and try to beat even a fricking blue belt. post pics and ill send my address and we can fight irl.
I go to bjj 3 times a week and Wrestling 1 time a week and I did mma before that and a frickload of striking(and still do striking) before that.
An elite striker can sleep the best grapplers. Than Le just put Garry Tonin(one of the greatest living grapplers) to sleep in like a minute.
Get fricked kid. You know nothing about fighting.
So you're moronic.
I am a kickboxer, moron. Tell you what, test your theory. Go to a boxing gym, tell them you are going to take them down and they can hit you as hard as they possibly can. I bet they sleep you, dummy.
Yes. They would be asleep. Wrestlers with no striking experience don't know anything about stand up and their only experience is wrestling someone who wantes to wrestle.
you are referencing a single fight where the opponent got an entire fighting camp to prepare for a grappler. There are countless videos of strikers getting fricked in mma or grappling, more ufc champions come from a wrestling background than any other martial art. and yes, an elite striker CAN sleep the best grapplers but its a dice roll. If the grappler can clinch or get to the hips of the striker, its not a dice roll, its guarenteed victory.
Tell that to all the badass wrestlers Bas Rutten, Israel Adesanya, etc have put to sleep.
they only did it because they worked on their takedown defence, Bas had a notably hard time before he learned that. You have to learn how to wrestle to defeat wrestling.
they get stood up because its boring, in a real fight you can just lay on them and they cant do a thing about it, you are still winning. its not about fricking demolishing them always, its about neutralizing their offence and controlling them. not to mention against someone with no grappling it would be easy to submit or gnp.
No the frick Bas Rutten didn't. He didn't have anyone teach him wrestling or anything and he didn't even have someone to practice grappling with for quite a while. He won his first like 10 mma fights with literally zero grappling training and only being a TKD/Dutch Kickboxer and Bouncer at bars.
He smashed wrestlers without it.
I respect wrestling but it isn't a panacea and you're just sucking it's dick like it is a complete martial art which it isn't.
he lost his 3rd fight via submission and was fighting shitty chink fighters before anyone was a complete fighter at all. in fact the first times he fought the shamrocks, elite wrestlers, he lost. he only picked up momentum after he worked on his takedown defense and grappling after his losses. ffs even when he "beat" kevin randalman he was gifted the robbery decision for no reason after being taken down at will and controlled the whole fight.
The shamrocks are shootfighters which incorporates wrestling but it is basically early mma, a little wrestling experience in high school but they did pro wrestling (fake WWE type) and shootfighting.
Also Ken was hacked to the gills on roids. With his stack most people would be badasses.
I know for sure 2 of the Japs he beat before the first Shamrock fight were elite level wrestlers by your definition.
those japs were 24-25 and 16-29. not elite at all.
That had far more wrestling experience than the shamrocks. Also Bas was 7-4 against wrestlers when he just finally started to practice grappling as a hobby and continued to dab on wrestlers with a pitiful amount of practicing grappling with a gymbro who also didn't know anything.
and its not a complete martial art, but its one that can work in almost any situation, a truly complete martial art would be combat sambo, and i guarantee and dagistani heavyweight would absolutely fricking destroy mike.
That's a different story entirely. I merely said a wrestler with no striking experience is going to sleep.
A sambo champ would sleep most compete mma fighters. Khabib is a perfect example of this.
Based cannibal
right but i still said that wrestling works in most situations, like one where you need to take down a boxer with no wrestling experience
That's absurd wrestler hopium. All the WWE went to your brain. A competent wrestler vs a competent amateur striker, okay. But to takedown the greatest boxer of all time? homie, you better be Ajax or Milo of Croton himself to have a hope of not being made a downie by Iron Mike in the first punch. Unless you double leg him when hes not looking like a b***h, if so then yeah.
WWE has nothing to do with real wrestling. and we are talking an elite wrestler vs a boxer with NO WRESTLING. like i dont know how else to explain it do you, he could be 1000x a better boxer than he is now and its STILL just as easy to take him down. the ONLY way to avoid a takedown is to work on takedown defence, run, or hope to god you can catch them with the most perfect punch known to man as they dive into your hips
The wrestler also has no striking experience which means he has no distance management, no footwork, no idea how to react to strikes.
Clearly some drug is affecting your thinking son. A boxer of his level can dance around the wrestler and pick him apart without ever giving him a chance to attempt the takedown.
You have no idea how agile boxers are. I've sparred with pros. They literally float around you like a ghost.
Also a wrestler with no triking experience has no experience being hit. Every hit by Tyson will either be a knockout or at best like a flash grenade.
what part of street fight do you not understand? why are you assuming tysons gonna have a fricking 30 foot octagon to dance around the guy? or be aware of the fight before it starts? not to mention that all the wrestler has to do is grab a hold of him. they arent gonna start spaced out from eachother like a fricking sport fight. Its the street, fights are close, dirty, and start with two people face to face shit talking eachother.
>well yeah in my scenario the wrestler is able to tackle him from behind
>what do you mean I'm a homosexual without any honor?
are you a fricking actual moron, its a street fight, you were literally just talking about using dirty tactics like biting ears and how mike will do anything to win and now you are talking about honor you delusional homosexual? Its a fricking street fight irl a street fight is you getting jumped by 6 people at once, people have NO honor irl and will just fricking kill you for talking shit.
>why yes I did mean the wrestler could tackle him from behind. Hehe dirty fighting is allowing
>what do you mean his posse proceeded to stomp the wrestler to death? Noooo no dirty fighting like that.
moronic homosexual. Rko yourself WWEaboo
in a street fight either one could get jumped by a group, we are talking a no rules street fight between two individuals for just the sake of discussing skills, i actually want to kill you like you are so fricking moronic its unbelievable.
>noooo wrestling gets to take him down from behind but his friends can't just jump in and smash the wrestlers head because only wrestling is allowed to cheat in this hypothetical about which technique would be more effective in a fight
Stone cold stunner yourself WWEaboo gay.
Either it is a level playing field where Tyson knows the attacks are coming and can dance around or it is an unfair fight where the boxer can also just sucker punch the wrestler as the beginning and end of hostilities and has 50 tribal kangz to Blackstomp the wrestler. Fricking moron, if the wrestler can get Tyson from behind then Tyson can get the wrestler from behind and you're still wrong. Lmao at your pathetic existence you fricking mark. Go slobber over Hulk hogan or something, dumbass.
i never said he would take him down from behind, im saying there are no rules EXCEPT that for the purpose of being able to actually argue about marital arts, we can assume its a 1 one 1. Otherwise the fight is always a diceroll as to who has the bigger posse. Of course, tyson could sucker punch the wrestler too, im just saying that in terms of skills, the wrestler has the skills to beat tyson every single time outside of a sucker punch or group beating, which turns the scenario into a diceroll where we cant argue because the winner is determined by who attacks first. Also please stop referencing WWE, Hulk Hogan etc, that is professional wrestling and im referring to College and Olympic wrestling.
Literally moronic. You're either a pro wrestling mark or a guy who did a little wrestling in high school and uses that to justify your fragile hollow fake machismo.
AN elite pure wrestler even if he had a few years experience with striking would still get slept a large portion of the time despite having good odds because we are talking about a world champion boxer in his prime and on roids. The fact that you think a guy who only knows wrestling would win every time, let alone a majority of the time in a 1v1 where both know its a fight shows you're a moron who knows nothing about real fighting and violence. The prosecution is moronic, I rest my case.
>implying the wrestlers arent also on tons of gear
regardless, its impossible to argue with a fricking delusional moron because there is nothing i could say or show you to convince you otherwise. Remember when James Toney fought in MMA and got fricking destroyed by wrestler Randy Couture? who is old as frick btw?
>impossible to argue with a fricking delusional moron
Which is why I stopped arguing and just started ridiculing you.
except im providing actual proof and you are providing a bunch of bullshit driven by your love for boxing
I provided numerous examples of Strikers demolishing wrestlers. Bas Rutten treated elite wrestlers like fleshlights. Frick outta here homie. Also I don't love boxing. As a kickboxer, I see western boxing as a strange sport. That said, Tyson would float around most wrestlers and sleep them. I've sparred with pro boxers and skilled amateur wrestlers, the boxers are agile and manage distance well. The wrestlers were rather brutish and clumsy.
Cope and seethe. The wrestler smacks boys asses and has his fave next to sweaty balls. The striker get the girl. The wrestler gets only sweaty dudes.
you moronic Black person spastic even a world class striker like Bas still had over half his victories through a submission. if you have 0 grappling experience any fricking nerd with just 6 months of mat time will ragdoll you no matter how good of a boxer you are and there is nothing you can do about it. if you dont know enough grappling to defend yourself you lose 10/10 times.
>any fricking nerd with just 6 months of mat time will ragdoll you no matter how good of a boxer you are
yeah, these guys would easily beat Prime Tyson
literally and unironically yes. Mike is completely defenseless to the laziest most uncoordinated double leg.
Ragdoll these nuts homie. Bas Rutten Ragdolled 7 professional grapplers with literally zero grappling experience outside the ring for his first eleven fights in which he faced and smashed several elite wrestlers and proceeded to use them as a proverbial On-a-Hole.
Only after his second loss to Ken Shamrock, a shootfighter, did he even begin to learn grappling by practicing with another friend and imitating what they saw on VHS recordings of MMA fights and he proceeded to use that minimal experience to gorillafrick even more elite wrestlers.
>any grappler
Bas Rutten raped many elite grapplers with literally zero grappling experience or training, so your last statement is complete and utterly broken apart much like the livers and faces of the wrestlers he smashed without needed to learn grappling.
Grappling is in no way superior. You don't understand anything about fighting.
you cant type you're unconscious lol
I'm not a WWEaboo pretending that rippling in general or wrestling in particular is superior so I wouldn't be the unconscious one. Lmao lol even.
Enjoy the next fast and the furious film I'm sure all 27 of your chromosomes will enjoy it.
wwe has 0 relation to fighting lol it would be so easy to ruin your life in the span of 60 seconds its barely even funny. I would destroy every joint in your body.
Black person you couldn't touch me and you wake up in a hospital if you tried. Larp to someone who cares. I proved you wrong and now you have to act like a tough guy on the internet to a guy whose main obsession in life is training mma.
you lose so easily
You wouldn't do shit Black person and if you tried you'd find out how much of a b***h you really are.
less than 60 seconds to choke you unconscious.
Lmao I'd sleep you standing. The purple belts in BJJ class can't choke me out in a few minutes so I'm sure you can't. Larp harder moron.
less than 45s actually
Thats cool bro. You could stop trying to salvage your dignity with larping but you won't. I know your dad Hulk hogan works at Nintendo and can choke out anyone. Kek.
no my dad is fat but I you would lose consciousness within 45 seconds of meeting me
>I you
Nice Freudian slip. You said what we both know that you would lose consciousness if you tried your bullshit WWE larp irl.
45 seconds is all
It would take much less than that to knock you out.
you wouldnt hit a single strike above my sternum
I would hit multiple above and below. I'm not a boxer lmao
excellent cope, its okay to wake up looking at the ceiling with your acl gone as long as you slapped my upper back as I sent you to the floor.
Lmao you be asleep before you got that close but if you managed to the knees and elbows you got would make you permanently moronic.
you know that isnt true, 45 seconds until you sleep.
I am 100% confident you would be made literally moronic for life if you tried.
then it is even clearer you dont know shit and would in fact be asleep within 45s
Alright internet tough guy. I spend almost half of my waking hours every day 6 days a week fight training both striking and grappling and I have for several years. You would would be a quadriplegic if you tried. Your internet peawienering nonsense wouldn't help you.
moronicly obvious lie and in the impossible event that it wasnt it would be absurdly embarassing that you arent currently on the UFC because you would be putting in twice the time training having none of the success.
In reality you've probably boxed 3 times and watched a documentary so my (actual) mma training would have you sleeping within, you guessed it, 45 seconds.
The great thing is that it isn't a lie. Fight training is what I love to do. I don't have a gf. I don't have much of a social life. I don't drink alcohol or do drugs. I dont have much family. I train. I spar. I roll. I run. I hit the bag. I condition. I eat. I sleep. Thats basically my life.
I know that what I said is true. Doubt all you want larper but that's basically all I do in life aside from online work in between training sessions and wasting my rest day on this forum.
I'd kill you like bear would a small dog. It's not even close.
didnt read I know you dont train and would have you any way I like.
That's all your mom said you're good for too
>does the five point palm exploding heart technique on both of them at the same time
I'm sorry chuds, looks like life's over for you
Well yeah when you can use rope breaks it becomes easier for the striker
he still got tapped several times in his first few fights and learned quickly he would never ever make it unless he got good at grappling lol that guy is moronic
Yeah true, also to me it felt like the wrestlers he initially fought were payed to not submit him instantly when taken down, like they weren't really trying
ive also provided numerous examples of how high level wrestlers destroy strikers and dominate MMA, both of the wrestlers Bas fought in his first fights sucked, the first never even attempted a takedown and the second dominated before he went for a shit submission and let Bas get up and knee him in the body. They both had negative records as well. That was your only example of a striker beating wrestlers and clearly Bas had some level of knowledge and practice about grappling, even if he wasn't directly coached.
Black person who is Israel Adesanya? I can go on. Fight math is rock paper scissors not blackjack. I never meant this to be that gay ass grappling vs striking debate but all these idiots who still think grappling is somehow superior and not half of the recipe are living in the past. If grappling was the end all be all, the best mma fighters would all be the best grapplers and not people who are competent in both.
nobody said one is inherently better than the other, everyone with a brain here is saying that a one dimensional grappler mauls a one dimensional striker because of how insanely easy it is to apply the simplest grappling techniques to untrained opponents and it only takes 1 to end the fight whereas even the best strikers in the world cannot guarantee a knockout against someone shooting for a takedown. Once fighters at least dabble in both it becomes more complicated, but if you have literally NO experience in grappling a fricking child can take you out, the same does not go for striking, the learning curve is different.
fricking this.
I know its a joke and he's not resisting, but clearly that kid had enough strength to finish it.
They literally did and you did in israeli psychobabel.
The best wrestler in the world also can't guarantee that takedown without being knocked out. Also the whole debate was Tyson vs a wrestler like Olympic ruleset wrestler (not submission or catch wrestler) with no striking experience.
no I didnt and no it wasnt (but even if it was, mike still gets mauled). getting bopped in the head by 120lb latinos has clearly done a number on you.
Yes it was you can literally just search the terms. The other moron I was arguing with literally said any wrestler without any striking experience would beat Tyson 100% of the time. You Black folk are moronic if you believe that.
a wrestler with no striking experience would beat tyson whatever percentage of the time he doesnt knock them out with his literal first strike so probably still way above 80%. its not that hard to cover up and rush to close the distance just enough to not actually get knocked out.
Sir, you're on drugs. I agree they already have a much better shot than someone trying to trade blows but you're out of your fricking mind if you think that would be easy. A higher weight class? Okay easier. If the wrestler is the same size or smaller he is going to sleep the majority of the time unless it's in a closed space, he sneak attacks, or he is good at striking and knows how not to get slept.
wrong and mma bouts of strict grapplers vs strikers proves this. Every time someone with literally no grappling experience steps into mma they sleep.
>inb4 he posts a clip of someone known for their striking who is actually a brown belt clipping a dagestani shooting a double leg
the point is the striker in this situation has NO experience grappling whatsoever, and that that is a bigger more crucial gap in your game than striking. It is possible to get out of a bad striking engagement if you are shit at striking, it is IMPOSSIBLE to escape from a proficient grappler if you have no grappling experience.
go to an mma gym just once Black person
You mean UFC 1 where the best grappler beat a boxer but had to cheat and use his belt to beat the Shootfighter or UFC2 where that shoot fighter sent him away in an ambulance? Or you mean the Bas Rutten fights where the Dutch kickboxer fricked the wrestlers?
Lmao fight math isn't straightforward and almost no one is pure one style lmao. Even in the first few NHB and MMA promotions, guys were already doing multiple things.
the dutch kickboxer immediately had to learn grappling you fricking imbecile how the frick do you not know this. he did youtube tutorials on submission lmfao.
You havent refuted what I said anyway you're just saying shit thats wrong for no reason.
Weird. I thought immediately meant immediately but apparently it means 18 months later. And I thought "learn grappling" meant have a teacher not roll either another novice and try to figure shit out and then proceed to btfo grapplers without any real grappling instructions.
If you would be as kind to learn how to read, you would see that reply was talking to a poster claiming there were a lot of Style Purist fights in MIXED martial arts (which there are not) which 100% showed pure grapplers always beating pure strikers(which they dont)
>almost no one is pure one style lmao
EXCEPT MIKE TYSON THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD YOU INSANE MOUTHBREATHER
he didnt say there are any style purists in mma lmao what are you on?
but most champs have been wrestlers
even ngannou had to basically lay and pray for three rounds against a superior striker
His knee was obliterated in that fight so that one is an exception tbh.
Maybe I haven't counted and I never said Wrestling isn't effective but it isn't some end all be all. Wrestling is the glue. It's a great foundation. All finishes are ultimately from striking or one of the submission oriented grappling arts like Sambo, Judo, or BJJ
every mongoloid can ground and pound from mount, once you're on the ground the value from training strict striking arts is minimal. its impossible to box from your back.
They wouldn't get him to that position most of the time in the first place he would dance around them and blast them with fists full of the biggest roid stack anyone has ever seen.
Also you mean that monkey ground and pound that makes you off balance? Bruh. Might as well lay and pray or try front choke him like a rapist.
>I would simply not get grabbed a single time
lmao your speed is superior too huh anon-chan?
You don't understand how fast, graceful, and agile an elite level boxer is. If it's not in a tight space, he could move like a cat and never get grabbed jabbing all the while.
I guarantee I have trained more mma in my life than you.
And no you don't understand the gap between an elite striker and a layperson is also that wide. A pro boxer at that level is a blackbelt at distance management and moving smoothly. The wrestler with no striking experience doesn't know how to manage distance and doesn't what it feels like to get rocked. The only "fights" the wrestler has had are against wrestlers also trying to wreste him. Lmao each of roid Blacks punches would hit him like flashbang.
You've never been in the ring with a pro boxer and you've never sparred with someone on a roid stack. We are talking about one of the greatest boxers in his prime on one of the greatest roid stacks. You're on drugs if you think any run of the mill wrestler without some striking experience stands a good chance of getting that close without going nighty bye time.
In a street fight one slam would be the end of the fight also clothes would favor the wrestler even more.
The clothing is a fair point. The muh concrete is a mixed bag. The boxer would also have a wide open space to float and strike. Wrestlers cant do anything to that which they cant grab a boxer can deliver punishment and remain out of grabbing distance.
An average practitioner of one vs the other the wrestler wins most them sure. But were talking about a roided up legend at his peak.
man frick this shit im going to bed, hope you recover from the terminal brain tumor
we talk about street fight without weapons and anything goes, if a wrestlers would just lay on mike while throwing baby punches mike would just hug him and bite his face off, game over.
wrestlers only lay and pray on fighters that know how to escape because its hard to maintain control while throwing punches. against mike it would be alot easier and they would use dirty tactics as well.
Why did you upload a selfie with your moronic post?
Do people not realize wrestlers can bite and eye gauge too? Why do people think that's some magic self defense when the other person can do it too?
its something that people who are either pure strikers (yo that rolling on the floor shit is GAY bro) or dont know how to fight entirely do. In any case you can disregard their posts off the bat, you would know better after watching a single mma fight.
any HW wrestler would be magnitudes stronger than tyson
This place is filled with tyson cultists lmao.
Tyson is a fraud he never defeated any worthy oponent, his first decent oponent wrecked him
>h-he can bite
You've never been in a street fight, your body feels less pain
>This place is filled with tyson cultists lmao.
Incorrect. it is full of people that know what the frick they're talking about. Tyson isn't one of my favorites, though I find his life fascinating. The ultimate combination of pure ghetto rage and Spartan discipline.
The force of getting hit by Tyson was the equivalent of "Getting hit with a 221lb anvil dropped from 5ft."
https://www.thrillist.com/culture/how-hard-could-mike-tyson-punch-measuring-punching-force-and-equivalents
in b4 Thrillist whining
Black person I though t you meant hulk hogan and macho man
you are fricking moronic and literally shouldnt be talking about martial arts if you dont know what actual wrestling is, watch college wrestling, olympic wrestling, MMA wrestling, No-Gi grappling. Thats what im talking about.
lol you wrestling cucks are so full of cope its unreal
Plenty of mma guys and kickboxers could compete but only really solid ones could take a piece of Tyson.
Lmao no. Wrestling while a great transitional part of a complete fighting system lacks any finishes and has no idea what to do before that. A pure wrestler would be slept by Tyson.
every single moron on this planet can rain elbows from top or side mount, mike tyson cant throw punches nevermind combos from his back. Every D1 wrestler molests tyson the 90% of times he doesnt knock them out on their very first shot.
a slam on concrete is fight ending
its life ending
And can be for the wrestler too. Also a wrestler with now experience agaist strikes is going night time before he can get that double leg.
And Tyson can rain down headshots after the initial combos. While you are moving into the double leg and securing the technique you're leaving your head wide open to one of the hardest hitters in the business.
Also, yes he can strike from the ground(Tito Ortiz and Bas Rutten did so famously. Iirc they both secured a win that way) and in such a situation he would. Uneducated Black folk like you are the type to get knocked out by an upkick because you think he's defenseless on the ground.
Also no a wrestler without striking training against Tyson trying to knock him out would not get him 90% of the time lmao. Maybe 10% and even then they're getting their bell rung. You have never experienced that kind of power so I'll explain it to you in simple terms. 1 good punch to the head that doesn't end in a knockout will still turn the best grappler in the world into an average grappler. The 4 or so wallops he gives you before you close the distance would make you moronic if they didn't know you out. The next 4-6 he got in before you could secure and execute a takedown would likewise.
An Olympic Gold Medalist might get him 1% or the time. Might.
>during a double leg you area leaving your head wide open to strikes
confirmed for does not fight. Unless you literally knock them out with a single punch during the very first takedown attempt, there are no striking techniques that deal with a double leg in progress or a body lock. Strikers deal with it in mma by constantly fighting grapplers or by learning takedown defense themselves, neither of which Tyson has. A literal highschooler could take him down. I didnt read beyond the first line because it is abundantly clear you just got back from watching a Tyson documentary or something and think you know anything.
So my wrestling buddy didn't just get his nose broken attempting a double leg last weekend? Lmao ok larptard.
I know for a fact you dont know how to fight.
Well you're showing your moronation, then. I have almost a decade of striking and a few years of grappling. You're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Enjoy larping on the internet tho.
I literally laughed out loud irl at this post, the projection of larp is just bellissimo. I havent claimed a single thing about my credentials, only pointed out that you have none for certain. Summer is neat sometimes lmao
You have claimed credentials by larping as an expert, moron.
I havent, you cant fight though and perhaps more embarassingly are also completely unable to analyse it from the outside.
Yes, you have and you're now pretending that you can simultaneously larp as an expert and also deny all pretension. That's some pretty feminine behavior, homie. I don't care what some anonymous guy on a Bhutanese Cat Milking forum says. I have plenty of experience and in no way am shitting on grappling. You ustdon't know anything about fighting and you larp as an expert.
didnt read small guy, everyone at my gym would ragdoll you and frankly half a dozen guys there would kick tysons teeth in too.
Lmao keep larping.
No, I'm not a wresltegay who thinks it would be easy to sleep one of the greatest boxers ever.
>You're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.
He simply said you have no clue. Not anything about your credentials.
Smacking men's asses doesn't count as striking anon...
>Smacking men's asses doesn't count as striking anon...
That's why the wrestler would lose
The wrestler smacks women's asses.
The striker copes and seethes and gets beaten by fireman's carry
the only strike i can even think of working against a takedown attempt in an uppercut like Lewis v Blaydes, other than that the only thing you can do is learn takedown defence, which tyson has none of. Imagine being an MMA coach and telling your fighter to just punch the opponent when they shoot because "they are super vulnerable bro"
Fair but elbows and knees definitely work and Mike's monster liver shot would land right where someone's head who be for a takedown.
If we're talking prime Mike Tyson and hes knows the threat is coming, could an elite wrestler wrestler manage to take him down safely and somehow rain down punches from Mount or knee on belly without breaking his hands etc? Sure but it would be an extremely low chance. Mike was a monster who would try to win by any means and is one of the best strikers ever.
Tyson hasnt thrown a single punch in his entire life where he doesnt have both of his feet touching the ground but through some miracle of chromosome overflow you think he would be any better than an amateur at fighting from his back or scramble positions? complete unadulterated delusion. stop watching anime.
I literally dont even do wrestling homosexual I have just actually spent time fighting in a gym so I have an understanding of how striking and grappling come together and the moment an experienced wrestler shoots for a double leg is the last thing a pure boxer remembers.
You're the one thinking wrestlers with no striking experience would even have the chance to successfully double leg the greatest boxer of all time.
Delusion? Black person meet kettle.
youre the one thinking a boxer with no wrestling experience would even have the chance to defend a blast double against a D1 Wrestler?
someone knowing how to box changes precisely zero about shooting a double, if they were a kickboxer you might have to think twice. once again flaunting the fact that you dont fight.
That's what Im saying the guy sucking tyson off is doing, I'm not that imbecile.
oh shit i misread your comment my bad
>you're the one saying wrestlers with no striking experience would have the chance to execute a wrestling technique against someone who doesnt wrestle
duh
okay im sorry but you are putting him on an absolutely moronic god like pedestal, he is still a man. Sure a liver shot might just put the guy out, but to imply that 100% of the time he is going to kill the guy with a liver shot in the short takedown window is moronic. Also the wrestler will break his hands? really? firstly breaking your hands doesnt stop you from punching, plently of fighters have fought through broken hands. Plus you arent going to break your fricking elbows. He isnt made of fricking stone and isnt some god that is just going to "find a way to win" in every situation. He is a great boxer, thats all.
Downsyndrome-anon just woke up from his latest Baki binge dont worry about his moronic ramblings bro
i think that by imagining tyson as this unbeatable deity that will win at any cost you are the homie doing the anime romanticization shit
are you fricking moronic?
>Yes I'm in a street fight on concrete, finally time to show him the real power of my takedowns!
>AHH FCUK MY KNEE IS GONE AAAAAAA HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN, NOOOOOOOOOO
why the frick would anyone's knee be gone? are you moronic? do you think a wrestler would give a frick about hitting their knee on concrete?
Kneelet detected
Why do morons think wrestling is only about penetration steps in leg takedows? Wrestling teaches you shit tons of throws, sweeps, trips etc. Simple arm drag from wrestler will BTFO you
Correct
>simple arm drag bruh
cute
I bust you homosexuals in the liver at about 75% power as warning for that stupid shit
>I bust you homosexuals in the liver at about 75% power as warning for that stupid shit
>heh, not bad, you made me using 75% of my power
If mike couldn't be taken down immediately in one go then that wrestler is entering sleepy town
well good luck not getting immediately taken down by a good wrestler when you have never practiced it in your life
boxingtards literally constantly cope about how kino and effective their martial art is because of how insecure they are. Im not saying its a bad martial art, its one of the striking arts ever, but pure striking is almost useless against a seasoned grappler its unreal
Top tier bait
Best bait I've seen in a while or some wanna be who's never actually been in a fight lol
again, you probably think im talking about WWE shit, im talking about double leg smash-your-face-into-concrete wrestlers. Look at the most dominant UFC champions, they are wrestlers or strikers that have great takedown defence because they know WRESTLING. its the best base for MMA and therefore real fighting.
Just imagine being a proficient grappler and taking prime Mike down and then fondle his balls until he gets a boner. The he would calm down and we would start to kiss. I would drag down his shorts, finger his tight butthole while he moans "oh, jeshus". We would then passionately French kiss while I enter his manvegana missionary style. Just imagine cumming inside of him and cumming at the same time. The Just laying there covered in sweat and cum, cuddling.. kissing.. laughing. Just loving each other.
If you wrote "oh, jethus" it would have been funny but now you ruined it
God you’re such an deluded idiot. Muthafricker think hulk hogan or some shit could have beat him.
im literally so fricking sick of explaining to you delusional morons that real wrestling is not WWE shit, so watch the fricking Olympics you mongrel
you are literally Black person-tier for thinking hogan has anything to do with wrestling whatsoever
Hulkster would have whopped his ass, brother
Oh yeah sure The Undertaker would Tombstone Piledriver him into oblivion. Get a hold of yourself moron lol.
okay you trolling now borther, have a good day
You too man
I unironically think he could. Undertaker's like 9 inches taller than Mike. All he needs to do is rush in andfor a take down and once Tyson falls over it's game over for him.
Unironically agree. WWE "wrestlers" may be entertainers first and foremost, but those guys are also fricking huge and athletic and roided to the gills. Many entertainer "wrestlers" also have solid backgrounds in actual grappling, such as brock lesnar.
Nice counter-bait
>wrestlers
No. The biggest black street gang fighter, Mitch Green fought him in '86 and lost.
a few boxers and all wrestlers could.
who are those few boxers
Evander Holyfield, George Foreman (he never fought him I know but Cus D'Amato is on record saying that Tyson could never defeat a boxer like Foreman) and Lennox Lewis.
prime mike tyson was primal
the chances of you beating someone thats gifted and also doesnt have anything to lose (he said he felt this way) are close to 0
Of course. At least one.
Frick if I know who it was.
I don't think anyone could have beat him during his prime. Anyone I know atleast.
Bruce Lee
Are you joking? Mike would snap him like a twig
any student of the gracie school
George Foreman or Sonny Liston, Sonny Liston particularly had experience with street fights being a leg breaker for the mob
The night train. Intimidating for sure. Mike Tyson had an intimidation factor as well
Jack Dempsey as well
>George Foreman
Yup. The 2 hardest hitting punchers. Would be fascinating to watch.
andrew tate could frick up mike tyson
Ken Shamrock maybe?
Yeah a guy with a gun
Oops he broke your rules & shot him anyway, I guess he's disqualified
Literally ANY heavyweight mma grappler who has a decent training at defending against strikers (Mike was essentially a boxing-only striker).
So, Johnny Walker for starters.
why did you choose the most glass chin, throw 30 feints moron for your example. you arent wrong, but i can think of lots of better fighters
>why
Because I didn't want to overkill.
Hence "for starters"
fair but being an MMA fan i have so little regard for Walker that I think the moron might just throw a good gameplan out the window and somehow still lose to Mike.
not him but I guess the point is that there are many many fighters who far from being contenders at a world stage who would toy with mike on account of him being an extremely 1-dimensional fighter. someone on the ufc at the same weight could probably calf kick him to death
>extremely 1-dimensional fighter.
Tyson's forte was picking weird angles from where to throw blows
He was very versatile and im tempted to say yo have less than 30secs of sparring experience
I only know of one man….
>heh, striking is the most powerful tool in the wor-ACK
what was funny is that DJ didnt even look too bad in the Muay Thai rounds either, a complete mogging.
>heh grappling is the most powerful tool in the -ACK
>trying to grab prime Mike from his legs and put him down
kek, dude ran 5 miles at 5 AM every day and did a shitton of squats
wtf do you think wrestlers do?
put their sweaty wieners against other men’s buttholes
such a gay sport, unironically the best way to spot gays
Good for self defense
well those "gays" will literally smash your face into concrete at will in a fight
I forgot about this bop, thanks for reminding me anon
How old was he here in this pic?
Mike Tyson looked like he was in his 30s from around 15 year old
any NCAA tier wrestler would kill Mike in a street fight, just slam him into the concrete
Yes
Tyson was an amateur as an inside fighter and therefore it wouldve been extremely easy to close distance on him
As he was distinctively slow as well
My dad who works at nintendo wouldve frick him up and pro wrestling is real
head first into the ground
if same weight category, wrestler kills him
Randleman would kill Mike Tyson in a street fight
just wrestling, no mma, street fight, randleman kills mike tyson
Yes many, he even said himself that there was a guy (boxer) that would make him look like a kid. Not the exact words but I can't find the video and it was long ago, but this means there are other boxers he admits could beat him in his prime and I'm sure that many MMA fighters could have beat him
Raymond Washington would have whooped him
Prime Sonny Liston would have destroyed him
>lost to a literal jobber tier tomato can boxer who figured him out
probably most competent fighters. Tyson is the most overrated boxer of all time
I think the main reason is in the 1980s heavyweights were guys who couldn't make it into football so they did boxing as a backup. Most of them were tall and used their athleticism to their advantage. When someone who trained fundamentals like Tyson came through he beat a lot of the late to boxing heavyweights but had trouble with people who'd been in the sport their whole life. I don't think Tyson was bad though.
>the most overrated boxer of all time
kek
lmao even
he's a B tier boxer that's treated as S tier because as
said, he fought during a timeframe where his opponents were dropout football players. He's very much overrated
Considering most street fights are won by who sucker punches first, many people could take him.
Prime Cael Sanderson would've killed Tyson in a streetfight
>DUDE TYSON WAS A MONSTER BRO, LITERALLY UNBEATABLE IN HIS PRI-
ACK
Triple H would've destroyed him
say it with me
youngest
heavyweight
champion
of
all
time
Mike was an incredible technical boxer, he switched stances to chase his opponents and could throw bombs in any position, but before everything else he was a Black person. His Black persondom made him rape a teenager, so he went to prison and when he came out he was an angry Black person and this irreversably damaged his career and his growth as a fighter.
also a poet and philosopher he's a modern day Aristotle , everyone deserves a second chance, especially Iron Mike
Nah just extreme childhood trauma.
Trauma fricks people up and ruins lives more than sheltered fricks will ever no.
Unironically child abuse/molestation should be life in prison, as your stealing someone else's future when you do it.
Tua would probably take him, and that's why he dodge him.
yeah
me, homie
wrestlers
reminder that this guy never lifted any kind of weight til he went to prison. Craziest genetics I've ever seen
Baki Hanma and all of the main cast tbh. Mike got fricked up by 3 gays that docked each other, then saved by a Hispanic pirate who pissed on them.
Jim Thorpe
That native was.
Royce Gracie and his brothers who were bigger and even better than him wouldve tore him limb from limb and Ken Shamrock to name a few. Not to mention all the other mma fighters of those times even before ufc came around.
Fall down and hoof him in his Black person balls, victory achieved.
who the frick is that guy, i do recognise him
not tyson obviously the guy on the left
thats Daniel Cormier, one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time, who was an Olympic wrestler. Not even knowing who this is tells me you dont know anything about real fighting beyond boxing
>Not even knowing who this is
pretty sure i mentioned i recognised him, oh yeah looks like i did
>real fighting=ufc
lol watching ufc. what are the rules on this board bros, does this guy have to be 18 or not?
here little bro enjoy a good fight;
>httpsdotdot//www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6c10aE1vSw
a. Ufc is the closest thing to real fighting in the mainstream
b. you just posted a bare knuckle MMA fight. If you are looking for MMA fights with looser rule sets to prove my point, look at PRIDE where soccer kicks, knees to the head of a downed opponent and all sorts of shit was allowed, and grapplers still did great.
Also look at the first UFC events ever, where there were literally no rules and even dick kicks were allowed, wrestlers and BJJ still dominated.
thanks for the post of two russian bums beating on eachother though
>Ufc is the closest thing to real fighting
na its probably boxing imo until bareknuckle gets more mainstrean which looks probable. obviously if it has pads, gloves and foam padded floors then its nothing like real fighting, at all. im pretty sure they are polish but theres loads of fighting like that going on in russia and loads of videos of it if your interested. theres also lethwei: httpsdotdot//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxcb6W__cU&t=204s
ufc is fricking lame, just my opinion. its a bit gay. im not homophobic either its just there is a lot of oh yeah lets wrestle on the floor for two minutes
well thats real fighting you fricking moron, you have to be delusional if you think standup striking with only your hands is the closest thing to a real fight, not to mention that boxing uses massive padded gloves while MMA only uses 4 oz for knuckle protection. I agree that bareknuckle MMA is the closest thing, but those fights are going the play out the same exact way once actually skilled fighters get in the game and realize you can just wrestle to victory. real fighting isnt supposed to be epic or end in a ko.
Honestly there isn't much difference between padded and unpadded MMA, just use palm strikes instead of punches
>realize you can just wrestle to victory
yeah this is exactly my problem with it. obviously there is money at stake and these guys want to be safe, but bjj rolling is not real fighting. obviously you shouldnt take my word for it and everyone on the internet has an opinion but bjj is the least effective self defense method and its stupid to go on the ground in a fight. by comparison boxing is one of the best methods of self defense and in a real fight its hard to imagine successfully triangle choking somebody when you have already had a fricking brain injury lol
its stupid to pull guard in a fight, going to the ground in top position is literally the best option you could possibly have. boxing is a literal dice roll and even if you are good you could get caught by a Black person punch and die. real fighting is not this idealized thing you want it to be, real fighting is whatever people do to get the job done, which is wrestling. no shit its safe and boring 80% of the time, they are fighting to win and have a good career not entertain.
ya people act like BJJ is all pulling guard, somehow they think that both guys are on their back in a roll. just train BJJ and be a top game guy, take some wrestling classes so you can take people down. being a bottom purist is impractical and unmanly.
thats why i stand by only training or at least mostly training No-Gi BJJ or at an MMA school, youll learn to wrestle there. all the pulling guard shit and stalling is from Gi BJJ.
Mike Tyson dicksuckers are such annoying c**ts. Even in his prime he was beatable, Lennox Lewis wins 9/10 times vs Tyson, Foreman will kill Tyson and that's just boxing, if you include ground game then all those years that Tyson spent training for will be useless and will just be like an ordinary muscular guy flapping his arms trying to escape an arm bar or w/e.
The funny thing is that if you took earnie shavers, buster douglas, holyfield or foreman and asked people how they would fare against elite fighters of today, like boxers or wrestlers or mma fighters, most people would agree that they would lose more often than win since boxers cant do shit much against grapplers or well rounded mma guys and boxers of today are more technical and skilled. However Tyson has some jesus like aura around him that makes people think he is some untouchable being crafted by god himself.
exactly, i dont understand the pedestal, he had scary power but the level of competition be fought in his reign wasnt particularly remarkable
The pedestal comes from the fact that american media advertised him as a scary super Black at a time when audiences ate that shit up and Mike played that stereotype to the perfection. Without the scary black man image tyson would be "just" another great of his time and not the cultural icon he is today.
Well before the Boss Black person image he was seen as a super young talented boxer, so people still cling to that hype
I also think his metamorphosis from an angry ass aggressive pitbull to a spiritual and deep thinking guru has helped repair his public image and kept him relevant. JRE helped him a lot too.
>street fight
>no weapons
Are you stupid? The number one rule of street fighting is that there are no rules.
See this for maxumum keks:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/08/leandro-lo-jiu-jitsu-champion-killed-shooting
facts, the number one greatest martial art in the street is owning a fricking gun
I mean leandro let him go and got shot because of it, so it was his merciful nature that got him killed. Had he wanted he could have strangled that cop unconcious and gtfo immediately.
teenage brock lesnar
bez problema tovarish
Karelin kills 99.99% of the human population 1v1 and its not even close
>can't lift fat blob
>loses
hence the 99.99%, of course, there will be another great heavy-ass wrestler who will manage to beat him but it was still relatively competitive
Karelin is the man and wrestling is a fricking effective martial art, but by god I cannot get over the fact that the uniform looks fricking gay. Borat type shit.
What were they thinking with that singlet design
andre probably stood a pretty good chance just because of his sheer fricking size and strength
>inb4 muh fake wrestling
the dude was a mountain of meat i cant even imagine what went through his caveman brain when he got pissed off
This thread makes me wish UFC 1 would have had actual good fighters in it.
With people like Tyson or Holyfield and Karelin, and Andre just for his sheer size.
Royce was really the only person world class at his respective art
Nowhere even being the best Gracie
I didn't say he was the best Gracie moron, doesn't mean he wasn't a world-class BJJ player. He was chosen for his small size.
I knew that IST was full of actual mouthbreathing morons and underaged kids, but this thread really highlights how moronic the average autist is here.
Yes. Coming here and reading these fight threads are always entertaining from the sheer amount of idiocy that gets spewed by a few Autists who think because they’ve been lifting for a year that they could beat up professional fighters.
Street fight? Depends. Eye gouging, biting, ripping of genitals, knees and elbows allowed? A guy who has a few years of Krav Maga under his belt would probably do well. Even elite mma fighters get fricked up when elbows and knees are allowed outside the rules they are normally used to as it makes grappling and ground work nearly impossible to execute without taking massive damage. Elite boxers are still no joke and it's one of, if not the most efficient form of striking. Mike would win if he can beat them in alpha strike or keep distance and on feet but the longer the contest goes on the more he opens himself up to serious injury. If he ends up on the ground its lights out and life over for Mike.
I would personally be able to double leg him blindfolded, choke him out and break so many ligaments in his legs he will never take another step in his life.
Anyone who owns a gun or knife
Just came by to say IST is shit and IST is the superior board.
Frick off you ISTed
Since boxers don't train their legs to resist kicks I'd say a muay thai fighter would take him down.
>MUH MIKE TYSON
>MUH SCURRIEST BOXER EVER
Tyson was an overhyped fraud that got heemd by Buster Douglas LMAO. Besides Buster Douglas, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield evidently starched that bum.
Tyson had severely slacked off from training and developed a drug problem on top of dealing with personal drama in the year leading up to the Douglas fight. Even then Douglas won on pure heart and soul in the 10th round after he almost got heemed like 20 times against an exhausted Mike Tyson who had only one prior experience going past the 8th round.
I wouldn't even argue Mike is a top 10 heavyweight because frankly his record is not impressive enough. Tyson was pure untapped potential. I think if he had kept up training as hard into the 90s and avoided jail he could have been the greatest heavyweight of all time but we'll never know. He clearly was super human in his prime but never fought a worthy opponent until he had already fallen off.
When Tyson boxed there was no steroid testing, so there's that too.
Whites can’t fight mate
All these morons saying a wrestler could not beat Tyson. How come Muhammad Ali had to have a no takedowns rule in his match against Antonio Inoki?
>why did the old brain damaged boxer at the end of the career not want to take a fight to the ground in a fight that he originally thought was going to be a choreographed pro wrestling exhibition?
It's a mystery my man.
Yes, because boxing is a rather limited fighting style. A high level Krav Maga fighter could've taken him down simply because many things that are useful in a real fight aren't allowed in boxing.
>*buckbreaks your "superhuman" black """male"""*
yeah, I think Tyson doesn't stand a chance against a real fighter
>dodges lesnar
truly the greatest.
who said greatest lol amateur mma fighters or grapplers would pwn Mike Tyson
I didn't I'm just salty I didn't get to see brock vs fedor.
No one wants to fight Setroids Incarnated if they can help it.
Fedor assuming he doesn't decide to trade
Anyone 20% taller and 20% heavier. Only manlets believe otherwise
Real and serious answer?
No. Mike tyson could only be killed by terminator Mike tyson sent from the future.
Who’s the Black person that keeps making these threads