Is bodybuilding the perfect training?

>Some strength
>Good endurance because cardio and high volume
>Good aesthetics
Sure, you can say it's bad for athleticism, but is it really? Back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, almost nobody did sports specific training, but it still worked. People were fit and athletic.

The real bad shit of lifters who can't move started with powerbuilding in the 2010s. Before the powerlifting meta, fitness training was 3x8-12 for everyone, even athletes, and it worked fine. They looked better, too.

So is modern sports science a load of shit and we should all do moderate bodybuilding workouts for everything?
Pic related is how MMA guys looked in the 90s.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nice opinions, you gonna post your body to back it up or nah?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do we care what they looked like in the 90s? Isn't that when mma was completely untested?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You think modern athletes are natty?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's still trivial to beat tests even in the UFC (most tested league) tbh, you just don't tell USADA where you're going to be and get a "whereabouts failure" instead of a random tests

      but you can get like 3 whereabouts failures per year before it counts as a failed test, so as long as you run shit with short half life you'll likely never get caught

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's less about the looks and more about the fact that they trained contrary to modern sports science, yet it didn't hurt their athleticism or strength at all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you have to understand that lifting is, by definition, GPP (general physical preparation) for a sport like MMA

        so the specific lifting modality, as long as it's not something totally fucked up like bosu ball dildo squats, does not actually matter very much at all, you don't need to squat/bench/deadlift (in fact most of these athletes don't) or train in lower rep ranges, you can straight up bodybuild and get mostly the same benefits

        look up the lifting programs for top BJJ guys like gordon ryan or nicky rodriguez, they do straight up brosplit hypertrophy programs

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's what I'm saying, bodybuilding is the best GPP.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol no. Bodybuilders look like retards if they try a sport

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              he's not saying to become an IFBB pro to improve your sport performance, retard

              he's saying to train for hypertrophy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People that train for single muscle hypertrophy look like retards if they pick up a sport. Hence it is terrible general physical preparedness. They are uncoordinated, disproportionate, have terrible stability and can’t apply strength

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                as opposed to people that do rippetoe squatmornings for 3x5, who are the pinnacle of athleticism and can pick up any sport

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pic related is how MMA guys looked in the 90s.
      Pride was in the early 00s not the nineties.

      You think modern athletes are natty?

      it's still trivial to beat tests even in the UFC (most tested league) tbh, you just don't tell USADA where you're going to be and get a "whereabouts failure" instead of a random tests

      but you can get like 3 whereabouts failures per year before it counts as a failed test, so as long as you run shit with short half life you'll likely never get caught

      The testing in MMA is a fucking joke. Pride was openly admitting that all their atheletes were on steroids. Jon Jones has a fucking pass from USADA that he can dope freely. He has failed multiple drug tests and has never been reprimanded. Every champion that ever was in the UFC has been on steroids. Also OPs argument is bullshit This guy was heavyweight king in early MMA. First MMA champ ever in the 90s Royce Gracie, was a lanklet. Fucking TIm Sylvia was the UFC champ in 00s and was a fat dude.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not perfect but it's pretty good. I used to be one of the strength only fags for sport. Yes strength helped but to an extent, because cardio is what matters most and then skill. I started BB and still felt strong for the sport, any lifting will benefit whatever sport you do tbh because you can't not be strong bodybuilding, the same way you can't not get muscle mass by benching 200kgs for 5 reps.

    In most sports there's diminishing returns on strength numbers, unless you weightlift there's no benefit deadlifting 800kgs in the process getting fat and slow and losing out on cardio to be a good football player. So in my opinion bodybuilding is good enough. tbh 8reps is perfect in between and as always you should alternate between strength and high reps anyway.

    The only time bodybuilding gets in the way is when you become one of those autistic gays who look like jay cutler while trying to become a basketball player. That's the BB equivalent of being a fat powerlifter while trying to be better at basketball.

    TLDR: lifting is just a supplement not the main focus if you're lifting for your sport

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pic related is how MMA guys looked in the 90s
    Mma guys in the 90's were pissing a shade of neon green from steroid use that could usually pop radioactivity detectors

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>Good endurance because cardio and high volume
    literally no one does cardio

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're dumb as fuck

    bodybuilding is absolute dogshit for pretty much any athlete. If you've ever played a sport you'd understand why.

    >big muscles are not functional when moving
    >no explosive/force production training
    >small ranges of motion induce chronic muscle tightness/less flexibility
    >unnecessary weight gain
    >more mass your body needs to supply oxygen to

    >170 lb 1/2/3/4 for 1 rep
    >2:04 800m time

    >205 lb 2/3/4/5 for 3 reps
    >literally 3 handle 800m time

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >205 lb 2/3/4/5 for 3 reps
      These ratios don’t make any sense, you should bench more than 315 if you can press 225lbs strict

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >These ratios don’t make any sense

        are you 90 IQ? I don't actually have to explain this, do I

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Explain your other lifts should be higher if you have a 225lbs OHP unless you sandbagged them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >small ranges of motion
      What

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you actually were into bodybuilding, (and looked good, because you obviously look like dog shit) you'd know the significance of time under tension and how to manipulate range of motion to target specific muscles in isolation

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