Unless you're:
>An actual athlete
>Literally unhealthily overweight
>Have a shitty heart for some reason
>Enjoy running/biking/swimming
Is it just a waste of time? Cutting calories and raising workload with weights can make you leaner, and I've skipped cardio for almost 30 years now with zero health problems. Resting heart rate is 52.
Are you maybe doing a lifting regiment that hits cardio anyways because you have a very very high volume or low rest? How are your blood lipids?
Cardio is important because in many things it equals endurance. Not all things, but having good cardio never hurts. Knew a person in my MMA school who played soccer all the way up and through college and the kid just never got winded or tired. Literally would train for two hours practically straight and then ride his bike a few miles home. Multiple times a week.
>Knew a person in my MMA school who played soccer all the way up and through college and the kid just never got winded or tired. Literally would train for two hours practically straight and then ride his bike a few miles home. Multiple times a week.
I ran for 10 years and I do this. Jogged half a mile to muay thai classes, trained Muay Thai classes for 2 hours, then went to the gym and lifted, then trained some more.
I played soccer and my cardio was never good
Cardio is for soccer moms. It's gay and useless
>I suck at it so it’s gay
Classic IST lmao
You were probably a goalie
>it's gay and useless
So are you, and yet you keep posting anyway
I have a sedentary job/hobbies and I roid, so my BP and RHR go to shit if I don't run regularly. Also I just feel better in general doing regular cardio
What's the difference between doing a 1 hour bodybuilding leg workout where your heart rate is constantly elevated, or doing 1 hour of running. Isn't it the same thing for the heart?
Lifting weights is cardio. Do a set of squats and immediately check your heartrate, it will be as high as when running, maybe even higher.
What's the flaw in my reasoning? Can your heart tell the difference between running and lift weights? It's all just muscle contractions where the body needs to supply more oxygen so the heart beats faster.
>1 hour bodybuilding leg workout where your heart rate is constantly elevated, or doing 1 hour of running. Isn't it the same thing for the heart?
Depends on how hard you are lifting and how hard you are running. There are different sets of weight and rest to lifting and there are different sets of speed and rest to running.
Because your heartrate drops down when you rest between sets. If you sustain the activity for at least 30 mins, then you get into real cardio.
When you're rooning there's not really any reprieve, unless you slow down. Some of the physiological changes in the body seem to mostly come from the sustained intensity of moving on two feet. You probably get some of that from weightlifting or elliptical machines, but I don't think you could build nearly the cardiovascular base.
My guess is that you have peaks of raised heart rate, when heart beats more frequently, like 140+ bpm (it's individual number) it is not getting fully contracted and get hypethrophy of a dead tissue. While cardio, if we are talking about steady cardio when you have let's say 60-70 resting bpm and120 bpm during cardio for 40-55 min, your heart is goes through full range of motion and and with more training increases its overall size and capacity.
But I wonder how op did it and what his non resting heart rate, lower than 60 bpm without cardio is might be a sign
Wear a heart rate tracker. Your HR rarely rises significantly higher than your walking HR during resistance training, and even then, you're only lifting for maybe 30-60 second intervals followed by 90-300 second rests.
Just do some LISS cardio.
>Your HR rarely rises significantly higher than your walking HR during resistance training
what the fuck are you smoking?
dyel post body and lifts
It’s not all just muscle contraction. I used to run a lot and talked to the science based coaching community a good amount. I’m not an expert but these guys seemed to have success with their methods. There are horomones, muscle byproducts, different types of fuel storage in your body, etc… All of these different elements of your endurance that can only improved through sustained cardio. Even taking a 5 minute break in the middle of an hour long run can ruin the training effect. The effect on fitness is more debatable, but 100% the only way to get better at cardio is to do a lot of cardio. Some modifications your body makes over time can actually make it harder to gain muscle, but that’s only at a really hardcore level.
Good morning sir
>dont have an autistic german shit inspection shelf
>dont have a big dick
not my problem
>Resting heart rate is 52.
That’s good, but how’s your LDL cholesterol levels (proven to get reduced when cardio is around)? What’s the lipid counting? Have you tested yourself for oxygen carrying capacity? After all these quieter 30 years, what do you think a densitometry would look like even at your age?
Too many questions.
Yes it fucks up your heart and remodels the valves
>Yes it fucks up your heart and remodels the valves
Why would that be bad?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22160404/
dont exceed 25min cardio
Okay? Why is that bad? AHS is a well known phenomenon, but there is no indication it is bad.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22160404/
Yeah all the article says is that you get a non-normie heart from running, but there are still no known pathologies associated with it. Even tour de france ex-athletes who often juice have lower heart-disease in old age than the regular population. Let along hobby runners.
i dont think you are interepting it correctly. exercise induced heart valve damage is legit and
based high iq schizo health nuts are becoming more aware of this
It's a fringe article that other people in the field itself contradict all the time. There is an editorial comment from other authors. If you don't like cardio, that's on you, but don't try to act like it's the majority opinion in medicine.
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/33/8/938/445952
>https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/33/8/938/445952
im just trying to understand and also not trying to offend, i like cardio i love running i find it relaxing but i get stressed out thinking about my heart if ive done damage to the valves you know?
3/10
Do you realize how much training and competition you need to get these problems? Like
and
it’s fine.
If you don’t have any history of CVD in your family your fine. Hell I do have a left ventricular hypertophy that I fixed by rooning and losing some weight. Be more confident in your body, respect it, and take care of it, you’ll be fine.
>i like cardio i love running i find it relaxing but i get stressed out thinking about my heart if ive done damage to the valves you know?
Okay, then allow me to summarize the paper as best as I can as someone moderately versed in medical science but not in that particular field.
The authors evaluated heart metrics on ultra endurance athletes immediately after races 3-11 hours long. They also looked at the hearts 1 week after the race. Their study was one of the first studies to examine the right ventricle, a region of the heart that received less study in the past.
They found stress markers in the blood and unusual heart stretching/behavior immediately after the race, but 1 week after, the heart returned to normal. It is unknown how bad this is.
Chances are, if you're not competing for 3-11hours at a time, you won't experience this.
i was under the impression that this abnormalies can occur after systemic long cardio sessions?
Who the fuck races an ultra every week?
elite endurance athletes have more plaque than gen pop average and many die in their 60's.
this
no i meant 40-60min cardio sessions multiple times per week
>no i meant 40-60min cardio sessions multiple times per week
That's nowhere near even approaching the amount of effort/stress of an ultramarathon or marathon. And you should be aware that there are numerous cohort studies demonstrating cross country runners and track and field runners (even tour de france cyclists), who have better heart health than average people. All of those groups regularly do hour long cardio ~5-7 times a week.
Kek this. IST being afraid of running for 30 to 45 minutes a day is the equivalent of females saying they "don’t want to get too big" from lifting. Easily one of the dumbest boards.
Knew a woman who ran multiple ironmans and was consistently training for hours on end. She didn't make it to 60 before taken by brain and lung cancer. I think the intense training and keeping up the ironman charade into her 50's is what did her in.
Unless you’re training for extreme endurance events, you’re fine. Getting AHS by casually training is the equivalent of women saying they’ll to get swole if they work out, it’s absurd.
Use common sense, start slow with short sessions if you are untrained, then gradually increase the load. It’s really similar to strength training. If you don’t have any history of cardiovascular disease in your family you should be fine, if there is, check with your doctor first.
If you’re training for heart and general health, stick to zone 2 training. You can calculate it here : https://www.omnicalculator.com/sports/heart-rate-zone . Zone 2 is the endurance zone.
Using a heart monitor you can easily train in that zone. If you don’t have one, it’s at a pace you would be able to hold a conversation.
Do that 3 times a week and you’ll be in a better health than a lot of people in the general population, and even this board.
this is what bart kay, someone i respect advocates against
You both are entitled to your opinions. The fact is a myriad of cardiologists and sports physiologists encourage greatly for zone 2 training regarding its positive impact on VO2max (which is a great marker of general health) and aerobic capacity.
Personally I saw great changes from zone 2 training, I gained 4 points on my VO2max (42 to 46) in 6 months, and even my performance during weight training improved. So I’m biased and inclined to think that zone 2 training works.
>ketolard
>advocates against cardio
checks out
Acute change......after 3 to 11 hour events....that reversed after a week...
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22160404/
Methods and results
Forty athletes were studied at baseline, immediately following an endurance race (3–11 h duration) and 1-week post-race.
bruh
Based, I don't want to have the average heart of a sedentary person. Going to fuck up my heart some more with some cardio tonight.
Bro that guy doesn’t even run wtf hahahahaha
LOL the dude is such a hack. In the "sources" section of this video, all of thr sources he references are his own papers. Go and check them out, they're terrible terrible papers. His three solo papers have been zero (0) and two (2) citations each, whilst his coauthored paper has some 20 citations.
If noone is citing your papers, then you're carrying out some pretty unconvincing and unimpactful work.
Despite being a native English speaking Australian, he publishes his papers that noone cites in Brazilian and Malaysian journals. He's a joke.
I've started consistently running since the start of the year and my quality of life has gone up quite a bit. Not even full on running for long time or distance, just casually.
>tarded 4chan meme
>bait text
you guys aren't even fucking trying anymore
This. Trumpfags vote against their own economic interests
zercher carries are elite though
You guys must all live in shitholes or think everything has to be done inside a gym or something. I love going on evening runs at my local park in the spring and summer. The smell of fresh new grass is great for mental health gains.
If you guys want some purely anecdotal evidence I do cardiac ultrasounds all day
9/10 for regular ass people your long term heart health is genetics/luck, outside of being an obese piece of garbage, drugs, alcohol, etc
If you have a family member with a problem, it's probably yours too
That being said the majority of the people who looked healthy and had good hearts were all people who have a history of an active/non sedentary lifestyle
Also all your valves are gonna go to shit eventually it's called aging, most likely mild aortic stenosis/mild mitral/tricuspid regurgitation(basically every adult has a hint of TR), they don't do shit until they get bad, and aortic valves are easy as shit to fix
Keep your blood pressure in check, don't smoke too much/vape too much, don't do too much cocaine, don't drink too much
Don't skip cardio, don't have a nice day doing it either
Ah, so Americans have finally discovered the esoteric cinematographic secret of "lighting".
I run 2 miles per day, 6 days a week. I started this a few months ago and I feel the best I have ever felt in my life. Mental and emotional health has been unusually stable since I started, and I feel amazing physically. My sleep is the best it's been in years and I am much more positive, outgoing, and just happier in general.
I don't care if it has any negative affects now, I ain't stopping.
When I lost my license, I had to ride my bike to and from work for 6 months. I didn't notice any improvement in my shitty mental heatth.
Then I fell for the TRT shills online saying test make you feel amazing and energetic and confident because my test was a little low. I wasted three year on those injections with very little mental health benefit and just as tired. So I went back to natty.
Then I tried pic, and this shit actually works. This is how I imagine having 2000ng/dl of test is supposed to feel like mentally. And no side effects whatsoever for me (not others), I think god specifically created this antidepressant just for me. I've gone from an introverted lazy sad loser, to a motivated, driven, outgoing horny chad, and I don't even feel like I'm on a drug. A cup of coffee feels more like a drug than this. Makes me feel like a hopeful 16 year old again.
I tried this stuff in college and I fuuuuucked for about two months but I couldn't sleep. Everything you describe that is good about it was my experience as well. I actually wanted to socialize with people. It would have been a much cooler life if I could have kept taking it.
Not the anon you replied to, but riding your bike through the streets to work probably isn’t nearly as relaxing as riding your bike for leisure on a dirt path in a public park. It’s not just that you’re doing cardio, it’s the environment as well.
I rode along a river for most of the way, on a bike path.
Okay, next question: Do you actually enjoy riding your bike normally or was it just a necessity thing to get to work?
I enjoy riding, but having to ride to work (i hate work) cancelled it out. Also it was in winter so it was a bit cold. I don't like the cold either lol.
Sweet, I guess I'll buy some GSK shares then.
It's a generic drug so they don't make very much money off it.
>antidepressants
>fat hand
Not my hand, got the pic off the internet
>Tripfag
>Depressed
lol
lmao
>Tripfag
I was pretending to be gary from 4chan as a joke in some other thread. You know the guy who says about covid "How many days has it been? 4? 5?"
>Depressed
It's more that I have relatively low energy, unmotivated, procrastinate, don't want to socialize unless alcohol is involved. My mood is just in the middle, but I have no frame of reference so my middle could be someone elses sad. I assume it is since I'm so used to it its just normal for me. All of this could be a manifestation of depression, but it not like I want to kill myself or anything. I don't lie in bed all day cry and shit. I just waste my life away on the internets instead of being more active and motivated and energetic like I used to be when I was young.
>he’s on a first name basis with other IST posters
Wow get a grip
Gary from Canada was a prolific poster on 4chan. Hard not to remember.
>he’s on a first name basis with other IST posters
Wow get a grip
Try a group therapy that does cognitive behavioural therapy. You probably need to reprogram your brain to stop incessant negative thought patterns.
Pill gets your dick wet faster
If I were you I’d switch to cycling, running basically guarantees your knees will be fucked in your 40s
>If I were you I’d switch to cycling, running basically guarantees your knees will be fucked in your 40s
There's a damn reason they make you do endless cardio in the military. You can last longer in any given task, your mind is much less likely to be distracted by menial shit (because you have been training to focus on the current one and learning to wrestle with the little demon that says you can't), you lose fat like fucking crazy from even 5k runs, and you become super resistant to injury and heart disease when combined with a GOOD stretching regime. I personally prioritise long distance over speed. Still have to meet a minimum time, but long distance has been more helpful to me.
You have never been under 20% bodyfat. You have never had ripped abs. I'm not saying it's impossible but cardio definitely is not a meme. Every single person I have ever known to have actually gotten into great shape incorporated some cardio to their routine. Does not equate to running 3 hours everyday, but 15-20 minutes of stairmaster or steep incline for example.
And it really adds up when you cut for 3-4 months. At some point there are diminishing returns in just eating less. You want to get as much protein as possible while still on a deficit and get all the nutrients etc. And also seems really retarded to just raise workload with weights. Like why the fuck would you sabotage your weightlifting by doing essentially weightlifting cardio to burn more calories.
Just do cardio you fucking fatty.
Don't do cardio it'll kill your g-ACK!
>Unless you're:
>>An actual athlete
Imagine not trying to be an athlete in something, even amateur. Lazy motherfuckers are doing mental gymnastics and reaching for obscure semi competent research papers just to justify not doing cardio, the one physical superpower mankind has over other animals.
Same vibe as vegans and trannies reaching far and wide to justify their lifestyle/existence.
Vast majority of evidence points to cardio for up to 20 hours a week being healthy. You can post dogshit articles from predator journals but it doesnt change consensus
T. Researcher in ex phys
>muh consensus
Good morning sir have you done a needful for India the great super power today?
Why bother with cardio? Just drink coffee until your heart rate is >130bpm. Exact same output right?
>the human ability to move fast that puts a speed check on your entire body via bloodflow
>is it a meme
A meme is being unable to run for your life from a gang of thugs coming to have their way with you.
>skipped cardio for almost 30
>Resting heart rate is 52.
ngmi
t. cardio enjoyer with with 38-42 resting HR
>run fast as fuck
>greater stamina
>feel great
Cardio is awesome
It's just different lighting
Cardio is good when you’re older like me anon. It’s good for your heart and helps you burn lots of calories, more so than lifting. We aren’t all trying to be jacked. Some of us just want to walk our daughters down the aisle.
-Dale (53 years young)