Is it even possible to get fat eating 5,000kcal a day if you're an endurance athlete who also lifts?

Is it even possible to get fat eating 5,000kcal a day if you're an endurance athlete who also lifts?

I know you CICO fags will say that it's obviously possible, but the few people I've seen who train and eat this way (not giving a fuck about calories) don't seem to gain any weight. They're just bouncing off the walls with energy all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPPcMUhg2fs

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If she is that fit putting down that many kcals then her farts must be insane.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hopefully she's getting excess protein too
      imagine the aroma

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I forgot. No one on this board actually does cardio lol

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it even possible to get fat eating 5,000kcal a day if you're an endurance athlete who also lifts?
    Depends on the individual and the scope of their exercise routine. If you're older, have a shit natural metabolism, small build and you exercise only the bare minimum to be considered an "endurance athlete" then yeah you can get fat on 5,000 calories. On the other end of the spectrum if you're a big guy and you're an elite athlete who's working hard enough to burn those calories off, then you won't get fat. It's simply math.
    >I know you CICO fags will say that it's obviously possible,
    Because that's reality, thermodynamics is real anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously it's theoretically possible on paper. It just doesn't feel intuitive, though.

      I want to see an example of a real endurance athlete who both lifts and does Ironman triathlons get fat because they couldn't properly count calories.

      Obviously bodybuilders who have no cardio base need to meticulously count calories to get the leanness they want, but I'm curious to know if the body fundamentally processes calories differently once you're at that elite level of fitness. It just doesn't seem to be possible.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I want to see an example of a real endurance athlete who both lifts and does Ironman triathlons get fat because they couldn't properly count calories.
        You're probably not going to see an example like this because endurance athletes who over-eat and get fat are almost definitely going to stop running marathons, which would make them no longer endurance athletes and thus not valid examples.

        It's a sort of begging the question/ no true scotsman issue. Can an elite athlete overeat and get fat? Obviously yes. They'll probably stop running marathons and shit by the time they get chubby though at which point lack of exercise makes them invalid examples for your scenario, so you're probably never going to see the full transition which would need to include a moderately fat guy still doing marathons.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >transition
          YWNBAW

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are they always such creeps?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's still CICO because they are burning off a shit ton of calories so can afford to eat more calories each day. The reason they don't gain weight is because they still burn more than they consume.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but the few people I've seen who train and eat this way (not giving a fuck about calories) don't seem to gain any weight
    you are a fucking moron if you actually believe they eat like this every day when the camera is off

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing leads me to believe that she's lying. She's fit enough to run marathons without much difficulty and she's currently training for an Ironman triathlon. She also regularly lifts.

      >I want to see an example of a real endurance athlete who both lifts and does Ironman triathlons get fat because they couldn't properly count calories.
      You're probably not going to see an example like this because endurance athletes who over-eat and get fat are almost definitely going to stop running marathons, which would make them no longer endurance athletes and thus not valid examples.

      It's a sort of begging the question/ no true scotsman issue. Can an elite athlete overeat and get fat? Obviously yes. They'll probably stop running marathons and shit by the time they get chubby though at which point lack of exercise makes them invalid examples for your scenario, so you're probably never going to see the full transition which would need to include a moderately fat guy still doing marathons.

      I'm not suggesting that the laws of physics don't apply to her, but it seems intuitive that a person who is THAT active every single day (endurance athletes) is going to handle calories differently from an individual who does no real cardio at all (bodybuilders). At the same time, I don't think she's burning enough calories every day to directly negate the peanut butter consumption.

      It's just weird. She's almost 30 yet moves around like a teenager. Clearly something is going on besides "hurr durr genetics or eating disorder."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're reading way too much into YouTube clickbait, dude.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I understand what you're saying. Nutrition and exercise science are a fucking joke, though, and I'm curious to know whether people like this are onto something without even realizing it.

          Artificially restricting caloric intake based on what other inactive people are doing seems to be shortsighted. What if we're hindering our own metabolism by restriction calories the way we do?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it even possible to get fat eating 5,000kcal a day if you're an endurance athlete who also lifts?
    do you even fucking know anything about endurance athletes?

    the top level ones have pretty much everything calculated from macros to STRESS MANAGEMENT, literal actual STRESS management intended to lower their stress as to not fuck with their muscle functions and gains and whatnot, their equipment, training hours/difficulty/duration/rest time, training ENVIRONMENT is on a professional level that you'll pretty much never compare to

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not really answering the question, though.

      >the top level ones
      The people who are at the top of any sport are going to optimize everthing to a ridiculous level.

      I want to see studies on people who do BOTH lifting and endurance athlete levels of cardio. It's easy to smugly cite CICO but I'm curious to know if metabolism fundamentally changes past a certain threshold of activity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I used to walk 18.5 miles 3 times a week and 6 miles the other 4 days (around 80 miles per week) I was pretty much eating every two hour and never really felt bloated/too full aside from when I was doing working out my abs

        additionally I was losing weight while doing this

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I lost 9kg (~20lbs) eating 5000-5500kcal/day, whilst training for a triathlon and lifting weights. I was 6’1 184.5 in this before. I lost a lot of muscle but just wanted to be lighter and will regain the size over summer. Forgive the angle frauding.
    >6’1 185 (83.7kg) to 74kg 163lbs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Were you actually counting or did you just eat whatever, simply not giving a fuck?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >6’1
      >184.5 -> 163lbs
      >pplpplx -> ULxULxx -> full body 3x a week
      >4x swims, 3x cycling, 2x running, 1xbike+run

      Were you actually counting or did you just eat whatever, simply not giving a fuck?

      Was strictly counting everything except carrot sticks and lettuce

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just out of curiosity what were you eating? I'm guessing that based on the weight loss it was a struggle to maintain that caloric intake every day.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/Pqxszvs.jpg

        I lost 9kg (~20lbs) eating 5000-5500kcal/day, whilst training for a triathlon and lifting weights. I was 6’1 184.5 in this before. I lost a lot of muscle but just wanted to be lighter and will regain the size over summer. Forgive the angle frauding.
        >6’1 185 (83.7kg) to 74kg 163lbs

        This is the after, it’s directly after the triathlon which is why I look a little flatter

        That's not really answering the question, though.

        >the top level ones
        The people who are at the top of any sport are going to optimize everthing to a ridiculous level.

        I want to see studies on people who do BOTH lifting and endurance athlete levels of cardio. It's easy to smugly cite CICO but I'm curious to know if metabolism fundamentally changes past a certain threshold of activity.

        I don’t think metabolism fundamentally changes, but the extra recovery burden of a really high volume endurance routine with twice daily workouts, that can definitely increase calories needed in my experience.
        My workouts were something like:
        >swims on separate days: 5km, 2.5km, technique work and 8x100m sprints, 4x750m
        >2 cycles of 40-50km, 20km quick cycle
        >runs were 5km quick and 20km slow
        >bike+run was 20km then 5km with less than 30 second break

        Just out of curiosity what were you eating? I'm guessing that based on the weight loss it was a struggle to maintain that caloric intake every day.

        Was following the vertical diet, so this list every day, +coconut milk milkshakes with whey protein powder, fruit and a lot of peanut butter:

        Daily:
        2 eggs
        Carrot
        Orange (or berry/melon)
        Cranberry juice or iodised salt
        Spinach (cooked)
        Bell pepper
        Chicken stock/bone broth
        Calcium (cheese)
        10 almonds
        Red meat
        Fatty fish 2x week minimum
        White rice

        My additions
        Kiwi
        Beetroot
        Coco powder

        Vitamin D3 4000 IU
        Magnesium 400mg before bed

        500mg of sodium before and after training

        40g protein every 2-3 hours?

        Aim for 600mg min calcium daily

        Was difficult to hit calories at first but as my cardio ramped up I was able to eat a full meal every 2 hours ish, would hit 6-7 meals at 700-800 calories each

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I know you CICO fags
    Imagine claiming the laws of thermodynamics don't apply. Read a book, go back to school, kys, your choice, imbecile.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day, gay. I doubt you even do cardio.

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