Is it even possible to get into the top 20% of men as an average dude?

Let's say you are born as a regular guy, 5'8" with normal looking non-handsome face. Is it even possible to break into the top 20% of men by lifting weights, having a good career and some creative hobbies or are you hard-capped by your genetics?
IST always advocates for general self-improvement but does it actually do anything?

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Top 20% depends on the criteria. You should also realize the average person is not some combination of hyper successful, smart, strong, and social.

    However when you're younger your looks are valued more so you may not enter that top 20%. Over time if you do well for yourself you can get a roastie

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't want a roastie, I want a sexbot made to look and act like my favorite Laotian Soap Opera character.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I feel you, Minh is hot as fuck.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do they ever mention how Laos is the most bombed country in world history? Or is it just a random country without acknowledging what the US did?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            So are ya Chinese or Japanese?

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    90% of men are dogshit ugly, weak, and have are lucky to have a decent career. You make the top 20% by doing the bare minimum

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I still don't know what an incel is I mean that guy in the pic could get a girl if he tried hard enough.

      The older I get the more I realize this is true.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The older I get the more I realize this is true.
        Only because the older you get, the more of an advantage having a good career and no beer belly is.

        But by the time the things you can actually improve start to matter, all the eligible women are busted old whores. Working out for women is and always has been a mistake, find some other source of motivation ASAP

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That guy eventually had sex btw.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    DIDENT READ.
    >WHY IMPROOV??????
    THE FUCK ELSE YOU GONNA DO? SIT THERE?
    WHAT ARE YOU A WOMAN?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you try to improve yourself if it's a 100% sure you will never get a girlfriend, have a family and kids? Only the top 20% of men are sought after by girls and get girlfriends.
      It's like fishing out a dead fish from garbage and trying to decorate it.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you improve to have a good, healthy life. Simple as that

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          You cannot be happy and have a good life if you are alone and unloved during all of it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not the anon you replied to but just watch me.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >alone and unloved

            Find yourself a bunch of like minded bros you can hang out with and you'll be fine. Females are just fuck meat, they have nothing to offer outside of that, dont put them on pedestal

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Horse shit lmao. If you aren't happy alone you aren't going to be happy with see cunt talking your ear off.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I would rather be rich, jacked healthy, life enjoying manlet uggo incel than poor, obese, NEET manlet uggo incel

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          pretty much. life is hard on men, its even HARDER on men who fail.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That is inspiring, thanks.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I‘ve seen multiple young men in the bottom 30% in recent days with gfs. Stop being a bitter blackpill incel.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I‘ve seen multiple young men in the bottom 30% in recent days with gfs
          American again?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            European
            Americans should have less issues since you have Hispanic and Asian women where their own men are a lot shorter than white or black men.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why would you try to improve yourself if it's a 100% sure you will never get a girlfriend, have a family and kids?
        So I can look myself in the mirror and not hate what I see. So I can feel confident around the people I have to interact with in my career and everyday life.

        Either kill youself or accept that you want to live on regardless of whether women sleep with you. I did just that and my quality of life improved immensely, even though I'm staying a virgin till the day I die.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >So I can look myself in the mirror and not hate what I see. So I can feel confident around the people I have to interact with in my career and everyday life.

          This 100 million trillion percent. I'm obsessed with the idea of finally loving my body and what I'm capable of achieving and the beauty I can become. I'm so horny for the idea I can'y wait. And then finally being able to walk FULLY comfortable and confident with myself. I guess anon thinks he's nothing and that he can only become nothing. Thank God I have the mindset that I AM SOMETHING and become MORE. I want to BE MY BEST me because I LOVE myself and want what's best for me. When I glow up, it's over for everyone around me. The real me will be unstoppable. Only thing stopping me is my insecurities, but they'll all disappear with my excess fat.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why would you try to improve yourself if it's a 100% sure you will never get a girlfriend, have a family and kids?
        Mail-order brides are still a thing dude, and having a good career is kinda necessary for those.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why would you try to improve yourself if it's a 100% sure you will never get a girlfriend, have a family and kids? Only the top 20% of men are sought after by girls and get girlfriends.
        It's like fishing out a dead fish from garbage and trying to decorate it.
        Even if it's 100% sure (and really, it isn't), there are still countless benefits to self-improvement. You'll live longer and healthier, people will respect you, and you will nonetheless live a fullfilling life to your best abilities.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You'll live longer
          So longer to endure being alone and unloved?
          >people will respect you
          Nobody respects a man below 5'9".
          >will nonetheless live a fullfilling life to your best abilities
          Loneliness rots your emotional and cognitive health and is as dangerous as smoking 15 cigs a day.
          The chance that an average dude stays forever alone is sky high nowadays too.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            you got to be an incel with that mentality. its absolutely hilarious. Touch grass

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Of course I am an incel, my mentality is based on my experienced with girls. I have been blackpilled in real life more than anyone else.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                well, at least you admit to it. i have a friend with a similar view, and he doesnt know why he cant get ladies. when its obvious that you can sense the bitterness in the room. and desperation when he get slightly close to a woman. not sure if it applies to you, but you can often tell when partying with similar kind of people

                bitterness is difficult to deal with, but its important to do so

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don’t want to feel better. Stop feeling so sorry for yourself, no one else is. Do something about it or kys

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Nobody respects a man below 5'9".
            Anon, in absolutely no way is that true. 5'9'' is completely average and the only people who will mock you for it are dumb Tiktok whores (ie. used goods) and retards like
            .
            >The chance that an average dude stays forever alone is sky high nowadays too.
            Consider the fact that you're just below average and work up from there.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              The real black pill for manlets is, as long as you’re not under 5’5 your height doesn’t matter that much. If it bothers you that much move to an asian country where everybody is tiny.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                i got 2 short friends, one of them have only dated women taller than him, he also have the typical face of a mouthbreather. and basically 9/10s the other one is happily married to a pretty woman.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Usually it’s just a cope for manlets to blame their social failures on, “oh girls dont like me cuz im short or men dont respect me cuz im short”. truth is outside the internet people won’t care about your height if you’re a person of substance. its just one of your physical features and if you let it define you then you already lost.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                My best friend is 5'5 and speaks to way, way more girls than me at 6'3. He's just an interesting person.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody respects a man below 5'9
            anon, nobody respects you in particular because you're a whiny gay

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >that mindset
            How did you manage to stay alive for so long?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you post here instead of ending your life? You sound like a fucking loser LOL

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        How to know your priorities are misaligned: You have no inspiration to do anything to improve yourself.

        Anon, if what you value isn't making you a better person, it's not something worth valueing. It actually annoys me to think that anyone would improve THEMSELF for the sake of someone else. People naturally think that mindset is gross. Do it for yourself to be proud of what you can acheive and not for the benefit of anyone else.

      • 4 months ago
        sage

        Please have a nice day and get your crab-in-a-bucket mindset the fuck away from me.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can't believe I used to type like you as a teen, if you're an adult with this whiny narcissistic defeatist mindset then I don't know what to say.

        You're digging your own grave.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can be short but you cannot be short and fat. Pick your battles-Sun Zhu

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        only like 5% of the population is actually in shape, so by being in shape you almost automatically crack the top 20%
        if every guy was jacked then yeah lifting wouldn't help, but 2/3 of the population are overweight and the remaining 1/3 is mostly skinnyfat or just skinny

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        What demoralization threads on /fit do to a bro

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Only the top 20% of men are sought after by girls
        Girls don’t seek out shit. They sit there and take what they can get when a man approaches them.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shut up, bitch.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >only the top 20% blah blah blah
        imagine basing your entire life around some shitty "study" made on OkCupid lmfao
        you people and your shit mindset are the architects of your own misery

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He doesn't know 90% of relationships are formed online
          Oh dear. It's not even a study either. It's just data that shows that women consider 80% of guys to be bellow a 5/10 in looks. You might think it's just on one dating service but data from other online dating services have very similar results.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            again, basing your views on people's behaviour from dating apps is just an awful way to go about it. places like tinder are just awful. you're not going to find anything meaninful there

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          again, basing your views on people's behaviour from dating apps is just an awful way to go about it. places like tinder are just awful. you're not going to find anything meaninful there

          it's every single dating app showing data that most men are unfuckable, and if you htink this data doesn't translate to irl you're an idiot. You can chat her up in person, but the reality is she's beating off dozens of guys more attractive than you in dms, why settle for somebody who lifts when you can have tall jacked made man 1 through 27 at your place tonight.

          This is why lifting for women is a meme, you should be lifting for yourself or higher concepts first and foremost.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >bro the internet is just like real life!
            wtv loser.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not what I said, but keep coping loser.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                who's really coping here? im not the one with the defeatist attitute.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                you, because what I said was factual, data backed up by tons of sources, male virginity in the zoomer melinial and above gen is at 33% or so for all men up from 11% ish the decade before, it's only getting worse.

                Previously it was 1 in 10 men had not one partner before or at 30, now it's 1 in 3.

                I never said anybody should give up, I won't, but the reality is terrible. You have to face facts and realize this.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kys. I am a skinnyfat wristlet who got mogged his entire life and even I got a wife.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based, I stopped improving and just got on welfare the last 5 years and just cruise and not worry

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >only the top 20% of men get girlfriends
        incels are fucking hilarious

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          this is something i pulled from my ass but only 20-25% of man have girlfriends that are dating/married to them voluntarily, if that really even makes sense

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >voluntarily
            Well, you know what to do now, don't you?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              made me cage irl

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not a single reply to the posts refutes what this anon says
        Tells you the sad state of this dumb "self-improvement" mindset and that IST is filled with manchildren that refuse to accept reality.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          well plastic surgery is self improvement, if u have bad flaw on your face and get it to point where it doesnt knock u down, u improved yourself.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pic related

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this
      blessed be thy based seriously these LULZ spergs infesting the board will never learn

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your ridicule and smug attitude warms my soul on this chilly autumn day.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >20% of men
    >5'8"
    No. Sorry little man but you have to be 6+.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only 15% of the population is 6ft or above retard
      Op needs to stop believing in demoralising shit and just start to fucking lift.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Only 15% of the population is 6ft or above
        >girls only want the top 20% of men
        Checks out though.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      > t. 5'5 Chang

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah obviously. If you have a great career, great personality, are interesting and funny you can do well. I think the only thing that’s a little bit of cope is that she’s going to be wowed by you as far as sexual attraction goes.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      So if you don't have top-tier genetics you will never get a gf that's actually horny for you and wants to have sex? Nice, what a great life!

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >IST always advocates for general self-improvement but does it actually do anything?
    does it really matter if it does anything for anyone else if it makes YOU feel better about yourself? Self respect is pretty rare quality in men these days because it's something the world generally demands you give it up to participate. Just getting some portion of it back is probably the best thing you can really do.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Self respect
      How do I get it back? I'm slowly losing weight so I could at last see my abs, but sure there must be more.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Obviously you retard
    Go outside and see all the ugly people having sex and having kids and living happy lives
    You're just a retarded sperg who thinks he exists outside of the matrix but has done nothing to prove he belongs there

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Go outside and see all the ugly people having sex and having kids and living happy lives
      Is this an American thing? I live in Germany and here at University only the tall and attractive guys have girlfriends. Everyone below 6ft with an ugly/normal face is an incel.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        University is a very small part of life. All those women will want committed partners and there are only so many chads

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >University is a very small part of life
          University is where most couples meet. If you graduate without one you will stay alone for life.
          Also, most women nowadays rather stay alone than to get together with anything less than Chad.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            True, and that's why most women are destined to be single mothers while raising chad spawns.
            Nanny governments enabled this.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bruh most people don't even go to university

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Most people are not partnered anymore.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >All those women will want committed partners and there are only so many chads
          Yeahhhh no. Check the stats and welcome to the 2020s. Girls are better off without men, they can fuck Chad then have chads kid, be celebrated as an empowered (cunt) single mother who don't need no man, then get the government to tax men collectively and subsidize her slag existence and her 5 kids. Women don't NEED men, with the government just taking men's shit and redistributing it to females, then them having an absolute advantage on boning apps

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            please touch grass

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >single mothers
            that's the subproletariat anon not even marx liked them

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Go outside and see all the ugly people having sex and having kids
      Everyone says this
      But I have never seen this lmao
      I think yall just lying

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    On average, most guys have the potential to be decent looking. What really separates people is diet (as it relates to healthy complexion and hair), skincare, style and most of all, fat. Even losing 10kg can totally transform your face.

    Most guys don't care about any of those things and the most effort they put into their appearance is spending 5 minutes in front of the mirror touching up their hair. Considering that every girl you know who cares about men spends an hour in the morning getting ready, the bar is very much on the floor.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw look like the north baltic guy but with brown hair
      i wish my face was more slender and sharp than round. fucck that example describes me to a t.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw Faelid face but 5'9"

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >mfw face blind
      fuck

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      average composite doesn't mean "average". usually in composites the faces approximate a perfectly symetrica phenotype but separate individual vary quite a bit in symetry

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >healthy complexion and hair
      mfw I balded in highschool
      >skincare
      mfw born with dark skin
      >most of all, fat. Even losing 10kg can totally transform your face.
      mfw I lost a ton of fat but that revealed that I have a recessed chin (can't grow thick beard)

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean this truth is just out there for everyone to see. Look at professional athletes. Virtually all of them are way above average looking. It's an absolute exception to have a pro athlete be ugly. Any intelligent should be able to recognize that diet+exercise+low bf% can make 95% of males attractive.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        they are pro athletes because they are gifted, they didnt become gifted because they went pro

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >being this much of a blackpill incel defeatist
          Yeah nothing is ever your fault right? You were just born with the loser genes. Can't be that your choice to live a sedentary loser lifestyle and avoid all social interaction at all cost is the reason your life is the way it is

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            how do u know im even ugly in first place

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not hard to tell.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                well im decently good looking, thankfully.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
              and btw are u gonna actually talk about what i said, or try reverse psychology shit instead

              That is just patently untrue. If it's mostly about talent you would have plenty of pro athletes that start playing in their teens. But in sports like soccer or football any pro today started training multiple times a week at under 10 years old.
              The simple truth is you reflect your lifestyle. Your face, your musculature, your posture, your skin, your demeanor. It's all screaming at other people's subconscious you are an antisocial incel.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                proof?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The simple truth is you reflect your lifestyle. Your face, your musculature, your posture, your skin, your demeanor. It's all screaming at other people's subconscious you are an antisocial incel.
                also u dont reflect your lifestyle with looks, people assume it off your looks. no matter what u actually are. thats the whole point of personality. its matter of how people feel about u, not what u actually are.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well yes, people judge your character based on your attractiveness. The point is just that you defeatist incels have this retarded view where you are born looking a certain way and can't change anything about that. Where as 99% of your unattractiveness comes from your horrible lifestyle

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                lifestyle nah i dont think so unless u stuff ur face with soda and tendies. as long as u are talking about someone whos not fat and well groomed yet still has no sucess, maybe time to cut ur face up. being fat and overly bad facial feature arent that different imo

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Like I said, you have a retarded view of reality. There are so many things that play into how people perceive you. The most underestimated one is body language. People can fucking tell how insecure you are. And how much you hate being the person you are. We evolved for millions of years to understand other individuals based on their face and body alone. You think you are being rejected because your canthal tilt is slightly negative and your nasolabial folds are too prominent but in reality everyone is put off by your serial killer facial expression and body language

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                so weightdowns can come in many shapes and sizes?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Like I said, you have a retarded view of reality. There are so many things that play into how people perceive you. The most underestimated one is body language. People can fucking tell how insecure you are. And how much you hate being the person you are. We evolved for millions of years to understand other individuals based on their face and body alone. You think you are being rejected because your canthal tilt is slightly negative and your nasolabial folds are too prominent but in reality everyone is put off by your serial killer facial expression and body language

                btw u should look up projection defense mechanism, thats what happens when u are ugly enaugh

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            how do u know im even ugly in first place

            and btw are u gonna actually talk about what i said, or try reverse psychology shit instead

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be kurd
      >Middle of the triangle between proto-iranian, arab and assyrian.
      God, I wish for death everyday.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dude's actually pretty articulate and relatable.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ugly dykes and leftists making stupid faces and insulting this guy as he explains himself
      >"MUH OPPRESSISHUN!!"
      jesus fucking wept, I would be these ass clowns think a woman could beat a man in weightlifting starting from zero with training and diet being equal, these gays don't live in reality.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the blackpill:
    Just go somewhere where you're considered more attractive. If you're a 5'8 manlet, I'm not joking here, move to asia.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >women only want the top 20% of men
    >OP only wants the top 20% of women
    how about punching in your weightclass? just accept your fate and date 4s and below lol

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be 5/10 with a top percentile physique, good career, hobbies and a fun personality
      >have to date a fat ugly disgusting mean poor entitled 4/10
      No thanks but I would take a normal non-fat 5/10 any time. Sadly, the dating market is out of balance because the average girl only wants the top 20%.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t-t-the problem is the market!
        maybe (definitely) the problem is you and you're vastly overestimating your worth

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >every woman wants a 6 pack 6 foot 6 figure male
          >all dating apps back this fact up
          >it's so bad women matchmakers are leaving the industry because women are too picky
          >IT'S TOTALLY U BRO LMAO
          Nah, he's right, I bust my ass to improve myself daily, and if at the end of the day the best I can get is a fucking 4 who looks like a blown out tire filled with cream cheese, I'd rather not. Keep simping for women anonymously, I'm sure it'll improve your lifts.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You seem like a whiney gay that's probably why no one likes you

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >it's not okay for a man who works hard to have standards
              >if I white knight for women anonymously they'll fuck me
              lmao

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >waaaaahhh I'm a huge whiney faggoooott

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        you have a good career, hobbies, and a fun personality? I doubt it. You certainly don't seem very fun in this thread, in fact your personality sounds bitchy, whiny, gay, and very tiresome. You are a loser on IST, you ARE a 4/10.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron!

    20% is 1 in 5 anon, if you can be the best in an average of 5 you are in the top 20%.
    To get there you simply lift, get lean and make money, very simple it just takes time.
    If you want to get your dick wet now fuck fat bitches or pay an escort.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also, advertise yourself on social media gay, women spend more time on insta scrolling than us beating our meat to traps.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you can be the best in an average of 5 you are in the top 20%
      If 3 guys are taller than you then it's impossible to be better than them. Remember that you are hard-capped by your genetics and hard work cannot compensate for that.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Height is only one factor out of dozens in terms of attractiveness. Most manlets are not literally 5‘0 either.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          We are talking about the average man here though which means his face will look normal too. All girls gravitate towards the tallest and most attractive guy. A Jeff Bezos would be an incel among a group of University students.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            > University students
            Have you been to a Uni?!
            Bezos mogs the average student with looks alone, your average uni student is an unathletic, skinny-fat loser.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >your average uni student is an unathletic, skinny-fat loser
              America again? Average student at my university is tall, athletic or at least thin, good face and very smart. Probably because most students there come from good families with good genes.
              The girls too come from wealthy priviliged families and their requirements for a boyfriend are at minimum 6ft, handsome, rich (millionaire) and very intelligent (130+ IQ at least). Women always want better than they grew up with.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >America again? Average student at my university is tall, athletic or at least thin, good face and very smart. Probably because most students there come from good families with good genes.
                >eruo trash moron complaining about America again
                lmao, most unis that are worth going to are American Ivyleague, you bloated mutt skinned gays sure liek to cherry pick your unis to make yourselves feel better.

                Maybe if you lifted instead of seething about America 24/7 you'd be somebody worth knowing.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >accuses others of cherrypicking
                >talks about ivy league
                retard

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I know it's hard euro mutt, but your country is shit, and your schools are a joke, even non ivy league schools out here are better than yours.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Doesnt change the fact that he would be an incel because hes a short jawlet

              University is a very small part of life. All those women will want committed partners and there are only so many chads

              >just lose your virginity to betabux at 35 bro
              Yea that should be the healthy normal thing for the average man to do

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wtf is this delusion? You seen the avg frat boy? 6'3 on roids wide frame small waist brown/blonde hair nw2 max.
              >B-BUT NOT EVERYONE IS IN A FRAT
              the good looking rich people are. They literally do the filtering for girls, most state college undergrads have 25ish percent Greek students. There you go the top 20 percent of men.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            The average dudes would still get to fuck girls.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Not him but I am in electrical engineering and nobody gets laid here.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                are there any girls in your engineering school? because there pretty much weren't any in mine

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                not many in mine and the couple I have seen were not all that great

                I'm taking GE classes though where I hope to meet people.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              cope
              women consider average dudes unfuckable
              you have to be in the top 10% of men to even be considered above average

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        bro have a nice day
        all you talk about is the height?
        Are you some scrawny ass lanklet that thinks height is the only metric by which a man is judged?
        Think about this for a week, go outside and visit a rich neighborhood, these bombing bitches swarm the hyper-successful manlet, not the tall bum.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The average dudes would still get to fuck girls.

          They really dont though

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, getting into top 20% is so fucking easy. Just have a good body with low bf, not bald, average height and face, good social skills and a good career and you’re top 20%. Most men are fucking useless and they deserve to not get pussy since they never worked to become attractive in the first place. Life as a man is pvp and if you’re sitting on ur ass playing video games while others are studying for their career or in the gym you will never be able to compete.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      gym and study does fuckall imo. its just looks and then personality. dont be fat dont be bum neet thats it

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, getting into top 20% is so fucking easy. Just have a good body with low bf, not bald, average height and face, good social skills and a good career and you’re top 20%. Most men are fucking useless and they deserve to not get pussy since they never worked to become attractive in the first place. Life as a man is pvp and if you’re sitting on ur ass playing video games while others are studying for their career or in the gym you will never be able to compete.

        basically dont be guy in thumbnail and look decent

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lol no, a good career and a good body will give you unstoppable confidence and signal u’re a well adjusted social person. A 8/10 guy who’s skinny fat, lives with his mom, has no job and plays video games all day gets 0 pussy. I know cuz I was that guy in my early 20s. Now that I have a good body, live by myself in a big city and a good career I have a rotation of girls I’m talking to and hanging out with. It’s just so effortless now. Being a NEET is fucking horrible after a few years and it fucks up your brain.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Another thing, you need goals to work towards and to be productive. Don’t let yourself go, work towards something everyday, even if 1 hour. In a year you’ll be good at it and gain some self confidence. Complacency is a man’s nr 1 enemy.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but I bet you are also tall and handsome now. If you were 5'8" and your face was average/ugly you would still be a forever alone incel. Hard work only yields results if you have good genetics to begin with. No short guy can try and become a basketball pro, it just doesn't happen.
          >inb4 some 1 in a billion short guy basketball talent

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have average and shorter co workers and friends and they have gfs or wives. Your biggest issue is spending too much time on the internet and at home trapped in ur own head, spending ur time in demoralizig echo chambers. learn social skills books, body language books, learn how to be a social god, learn philosophy, change ur outlook on life. Genetics are not the end all, a lot of ugly fuckers have cheated their way into breeding their trash genetics else you wouldn’t exist.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I have average and shorter co workers and friends and they have gfs or wives
              Yeah, of course you accidentally happen to know a friend of a friend of a co worker who is also living abroad in Asia and maybe had an ex girlfriend some time in his life.
              So you dodged the question and admit that you are tall and handsome? It's never ACTUALLY an average dude who has a gf here but only someone who know someone else.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you need to realize you are not an average person. Most people here are actually below average.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >lift weights and run
                >have a IST physique
                >skin-care, groom, wear fitting clothes
                >try to get a valuable education (computer science)
                >have a decent networth for a student (12K debt-free)
                >cook
                >draw
                >read books
                >hike
                >even do some gardening in the summer
                How am I not an average person? I am 5'9" with a normal face.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >How am I not an average person?
                Because you're a whiny, mentally ill gay. Now kys Austrian ginger.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Average people are everywhere, else they wouldn’t be average. Your defeatist attitude will bring you nothing but misery in life. You may not realize it but people in real life can tell from your body language and micro expressions and they will avoid you if you’re a “bad vibe”. Sad and miserable people lead sad and miserable lives, you’re the master of your own mind and can work towards whatever you choose. I recommend the bloomer books in pic related.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          well if u never leave basement no shit nothing will happen thats where confidence matters if it really exists in first place. being neet is no doubt horrible unless you are trust fund cunt tbh

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What if you are a successful software engineer making good money but still get money from your parents because they just have so much and don't know what to do with it?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              give it to me then

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              give it to me then

              i mean u can brag just fine about helping people in need aswell no?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >A 8/10 guy who’s skinny fat, lives with his mom, has no job and plays video games all day gets 0 pussy
          he does, you must have just had no game back then

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            if nobody sees him, nothing will happen. if he gets exsposure he will no shit.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was because I didn’t go anywhere ever. Never approached girls because I was ashamed I lived with my parents and had no job or car.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        gym is a big component of looks
        it's rare that someone gets lean and still has an outright ugly face

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah lean is obvious game changer

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah lean is obvious game changer

          lean should be treated same as haircut. if either is bad u dont get complain till u fix them both. if two arent enaugh, either buy pussy or cut up your face(imo)

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also forgot about this, learn how to dress to impress normies. None of that IST avantgarde shit, people will just think you’re weird. Social gains max with fitted and unoffensice stuff that compliments your body and normies like.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, Lift and improve your fashion. Even shit people with decent fashion sense gets women

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Women really don't care that much about looks, I'm probably below average looking, although I'll admit that I'm relatively tall, and I've been with some really good looking, succesful women. It's a cliche, but the just be(e) yourself meme is kinda true, if it makes you relaxed and more importantly confident, proud of your life. If anything, starting "low" could be beneficial, if it means that you will work harder and achieve more, as status is much more important to women than physical appearance. Also, bettering yourself because of women is a good starting point, but it should point you to the direction of bettering yourself because of yourself.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Women really don't care that much about looks
      they do, but personality can trumph it

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I should have phrased it differently, I meant compared to men.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >relatively tall
      stopped reading there. being tall can offset a below-average face.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Just be yourself
      But I hate myself, what do??

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        what matters if others like it. if its shit then probably youre just insecure rightfully

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mogging incels fuels my need to lift. Nothing more empowering then watching some worthless insect of a man be jealous that you can use basic communication to talk to women.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      a lot of incrls are autistic gymcels where does this stereotype they're all weak come from

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just lose weight and stop talking n g to people like theyre fellow ISTners fatty

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    half of the top 20% are born there
    the other 50% of the top 20% work their way too it
    how you get there is your own personal journey

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It's a "only 6'8 millionaire athlete models" have sex thread
    Yes, you can make it. Lift weights and quit watching demoralizing ticktocks. Whores are not people.
    >But I'm a manlet/framelet/facelet/shit inserts/genetics problem
    Would you rather be jacked and have these problems or be a weak fuck and also have these problems? Please stop killing your own gains with this shit it's pathetic.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you re white you instantly mog 99% of men on shitskin countries

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This tbh, latinas WILL drop everything for a chance with a white man. I'm a Hispanic and I've seen it firsthand.
      All of you white morons complaining about "tfw no gf" piss me the fuck off. You're playing dating on easy mode you fucking retarded gays.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        True lol. Thank god I love the beaner pussy.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          careful, scout the mon, she might pull the fat grenade on you.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i hate that everyone knows about incels

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah if it was more fringe knowledge would be op. i mean ill still do what i gotta do but dont want too many straight up read research papers

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah if it was more fringe knowledge would be op. i mean ill still do what i gotta do but dont want too many straight up read research papers

      still hope people wont cut up their faces out of stigma or some shit

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone knows because a large portion of men are incels LMAO
      The fact that it's becoming so difficult for such a large portion of men to even get a crumb and yet there's still little talk and concern about it shows how female sided society is in western countries

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Go to the gym regularly (not just for muscles, but for your own physical/mental health, opportunities to socialize, etc.)
    >Get to 10% bodyfat to reveal your facial bones
    >Get a skill that pays you enough to live alone and have a car (or pay for cabs/ubers regularly in a major city with subways) and decent clothing/furnishing
    >Take fin, oral min, and cialis to prevent balding, prevent acne, improve facial hair and eyebrow/eyelash density, and make you appear more vascular & give you bigger boners
    >Get a hairstyle that works with your head (If you have a weak chin/jaw then get a beard, experiment with short vs long hair, etc.)
    >Wear slight elevator shoes or popular fraud shoes like nike airmaxes + lifts to get 1-2 extra inches, put a dr. scholls insert in the shoe to hide the lifts
    >Get some clothes that work with your body/image/personality. If you are boring you can't go wrong with an athletic/muscle fit dress shirt with the sleeves rolled up and whatever pants for example (as long as you are fit and have developed arms, shoulders, etc.).
    >If your dick size is a source of insecurity, get a penis pump and start pumping every other day, over time it will increase in size about 10-20% on non-pump days (pumping is like gym for your dick)
    >If you aren't good at talking, go fuck around at a mall for a day because the employees are obligated to talk to you because they are trying to make a sale + there's lots of random strangers. You don't have to buy shit but you can just use it as a way to practice social skills. Often times it will be cute women working in retail so it will give you some practice talking to the women you want to fuck. Do it as long as you need to improve your social skills. The only thing that is going to improve them is training them by engaging in conversation. This is also a good way to actually meet women because if the conversation goes on a while and the vibes are good and she is showing signs of attraction you can ask for her number/snap/ig/etc.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >do all of this (cope)
      >talk to girls
      >"Ew, go away you short creep!"

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No one will say that to you. At most they will tell you to go away because you're an aromatic neckbeard.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        touch grass

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Women should not be allowed to work.

    Men need money to raise their SMV. When you give a man a job, he will start a family. When you give a woman a job, she will give her money to Jeff Bezos.

    Modern women are the most useless morons on the planet.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >When you give a woman a job, she will give her money to Jeff Bezos.
      deeply saddening honestly

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can set your self apart from the 50% of men that are lazy as shit, undisciplined, don't work out, don't eat healthy, can't dress them self properly, has shit grooming, have no goals, have no interests or hobbies above consuming weed, beer, video games and tv series, are hopeless and pessimistic, are lacking in social skills. All that is required to set your self above those are to lift, diet, put an effort in to style and grooming, change your attitude, stop behaving and talking negatively about your self others and the world, learn to talk to people, work on your career/job, have shit you like to do, and if you do this you might not be top 20% of guys, but you will at least get your self in to a situation to where you'll have a good decent life, are able to attract women for some hook ups and relationship and love life. Forget being top 20%, that is elitism and unrealistic for most people. But you can set your self above 50-60% of all men by just trying. I think is pretty realistic for most men.

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >best shape in my life
    >get treated worse by women
    t-they are shit testing my right bros?

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >IST: only top 20% $100k earning norwood 0 6'5 10% bodyfat male models get any female attention!

    >reality: men of all heights, incomes, and physiques can get women if you aren't a total retard

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      In dating apps. If you are actually social it is much easier.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly.
        >anon goes on tinder
        >sees dumb thots who say "only 6'5 chads"
        >thinks this indicative of the entire female gender and becomes demoralized

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      : men of all heights, incomes, and physiques can get women if you aren't a total retard
      > if you aren't a total retard
      This is the part that is filtering most of IST.

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe if you stopped thinking about tall sexy men all day and stopped complaining about dumb stuff like a woman

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's never been easier to be in the top 20%
    >don't be a fat fuck
    literally all you need to do

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seriously.

      https://i.imgur.com/EkP5Oat.jpg

      Let's say you are born as a regular guy, 5'8" with normal looking non-handsome face. Is it even possible to break into the top 20% of men by lifting weights, having a good career and some creative hobbies or are you hard-capped by your genetics?
      IST always advocates for general self-improvement but does it actually do anything?

      The below-average dude is a mental wreck and an addict and can barely hold a job. 40-60th percentile is doing simple, well-defined tasks putting objects in places, with limited intellectual development.

      80th percentile is just:
      >not a complete slob
      >half decent job
      >educated (nothing elite)
      >slightly charming

      Like just some small-town ambulance chaser lawyer or a chiropractor is 80th percentile+

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love how hard IST has to try to prove your sexual attractiveness isn't all looks.

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    most men are obese now, so just by not being fat you're already in the top 25%. Sure, if someone is obese but somehow better than you in a bunch of other ways maybe it doesn't apply, but basically people are so useless now that just being halfway competent puts you well above average

    imagine a 5'8" ottermoder with a modest job making $80k a year. Let's say he only has a couple hobbies, maybe he does watercolor painting, and mountain biking. This guy is already more interesting than most people and I'd say top 20% for sure

    hobbymaxxing is definitely the way to go, it's the most rewarding aspect of life. I do photography and I like fixing things and working on cars. gonna get a motorcycle license soon and learn scuba diving as well, just start doing all the cool guy shit bros

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >so just by not being fat you're already in the top 25%.
      the absolute state of americans

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        exactly but that makes it easy to be better than people

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even if it couldn't, would your life become any worse by going from top 50% to top 21%?

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You self improve for yourself, not for women
    80% of Women out there will ruin your life, especially when you’re the one that needs them. You may not meet one of them but statistics say you’ll run into at least one before you find a good match

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most reach it by age 40 if they try. At least gets you a cutie thai GF

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bro have you seen most guys? Have you even walked outside and stared? You're competing with 5'5 skinny fat zoomers and fucking socially anxious, spineless sooibois. If you don't think you can beat them then you're already a lost cause

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm bald and ethnic as a young adult
      It's fucking over because girls won't want to consider me until I'm in my 30's and I'll be to busted by then
      They just look scared from me just looking at them

  35. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Been lurking on here for years and basically the best advice I can give anyone trying to make it is to:

    >lift because you want to be excellent
    >develop goals and work towards them every day
    >your job probably won't be something you enjoy that much, that's why they pay you to do it. Use it until it no longer benefits you then move on
    >Develop a skill
    >Go outside and talk to people. You can't make friends or date women if you never leave your room
    >develop an ethos for life. Most people don't and because of that are weak
    >read books

    hope that helps OP.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      sound advice

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      where can I go outside to talk to people where they won't be closed off and willing to give me a chance?

  36. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    of course not. the top 20% refers to what women find attractive - genetics.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. All of us have genetics to be chads, it's the modern world that fucks up our development and growth. There's nothing we can do do about our botched development now, but it's not genetics at all. Our ancestors got through millions of years of evolution, we don't all suddenly have shitty genes.

      Ever notice how almost every animal in the wild looks almost the exact same? I get that we can distinguish between human faces better because of familiarity, but that still doesn't explain the huge differences between human faces. So what's happening is that females are falsely thinking instinctively that the chads have better genes and want to procreate with them, however that is 100% false.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        doesn't matter. each generation only 20% are the 20%. species have went extinct due to female selection. example is that one deer species with the most massive antlers. they went extinct because females would only fuck the most hung antler guy and they got too dysgenic and went extinct

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          But all you have to do is make it through to the next generation and raise your kids in an environment that is strictly condusive to their natural and normal development from birth all the way up to 18 years old. Monitor toxins, xenoestrogens, air pollution, and so on, make sure they have all their nutrition requirements and they breathe through their nose. Everything will grow properly and be right - height, chin length, good facial hair, and so on.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            99% of kids aren't mouth breathers and that's the only thing that could give you an edge. everything else you've listed is borderline placibo. you can't cheat your genetics, except maybe giving your kid HGH( and therefore likely an early death)

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >samefag
        To back up my statement read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price - or if you have the typical IST attention span just look at the pictures for starters, modern versus their traditional, natural diet and lifestyle.

        http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes we're dysgenic. doesn't matter. women have a choice and low libido. unless you take their right to choose or increase their libido 80/20 rule won't be broken

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What the hell are you talking about? I just explained to you how we are not, it's not our genes it's our environment from the womb. There is no such thing as an 80/20 rule, in most mammal species everyone reproduces.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >There is no such thing as an 80/20 rule, in most mammal species everyone reproduces
              source: dude trust me. it's clear you're way over your head on this topic. i suggest you listen more about real stats not only on humans but also wild animals. you're also overestimating how bad we're raise and overestimating how much of a change you can induce to cheat a child's genetics

  37. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i'm poor, i dropped out of high school and got a GED, i wear glasses, my hair is receding, i'm 5'9, i'm 32, and all i ever did right was get shredded for about 1 week, long enough to take pics, which gave me enough to use on tinder to fuck rando sluts whenever i wanted and just told them i was "bulking" when we finally fucked, to which 0% of them actually gave a fuck.

    I'm like a 6 at best I feel, and yet somehow I fuck all the time. it's really, REALLY not fucking hard when you're on the other side of the fence.

    i fucking hate you people so god damn much. this has nothing to do with fitness. mods are non existent and this place is a fucking shell of it's former self. /LULZ/ was a mistake. 4chan was a mistake. this site continuing after moot left was a fucking mistake.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      i think you're grossly underestimating your looks. 80% of men get nothing on tinder. literally nothing. lucky to be matched and ghosted. that's just the fact.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      post tinder pics with face blurred out, i need to see how shredded I have to be and what kind of pictures are necessary

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        tinder is mostly about the face( and height). if he blurs it out it's no good

  38. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The main thing that blackpill guys ignore is masculinity.
    A 4/10 Hells Angel can get ass all day, and a wife. If the same guy was a well behaved accountant he'd sit here talking about not getting women because he's not in thee 10-20% of top males.
    Looks matter, but so does masculinity. A lot of the redpill fags realize this but they fail to understand it, that's why they end up sounding like boisterous children. Women, or adult men see through that easily. It's for zoomers and autists, no one else believes that.
    It's the reason why women prefer assholes to nice guys, because being able to insist on yourself with actual confidence, and not just bravado or gimmicks is attractive to them. Alpha male means DOMINANT MALE.
    Chad can get away with a lot, because people will just assume he's masculine because of his looks, but an average guy will lose a lot of points if he cannot stand his ground in social situations.
    Finding a balance between your inner asshole and socially acceptable behavior is as important as looks.
    Find the difference between you and someeone that has traditional masculinity, and do not confuse it with the common diluted male presence.
    Be strong. Stand your ground, and never be afraid to insist on yourself. If you have willpower, you can create self-respect. If you have intelligence and self-respect, you can learn charisma.

    Looksmaxxing doesn't matter if you're a bitch. Butch up princess.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's the reason why women prefer assholes to nice guys
      thats geniuely a dumb bs imo unless some are masochists(or some spiteful narcies who see it as some kind of challenge and get off it idk)
      majority wont like it, maybe tolerate it because they are physically attracted and hope for better treatment someday.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this post brought to you by the zero pussy gang

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          well assume thats true, do u really think being cocky is gonna make any difference over being nice?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          kek'd

          well assume thats true, do u really think being cocky is gonna make any difference over being nice?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8W3nqc17Q

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            She's not wrong. But i laughed at how women cannot face the truth without talking about spiritualism, mystic energies, and crystals.
            She is right though, most men fail at masculinity, and makes up for it with bravado. It doesn't work, and they can't honestly question it because it's so integral to their self-image.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >most men fail at masculinity, and makes up for it with bravado
              you don't even realize how contradictory this is, bravado = confidence and spine, those are masculine traits. These imaginary men's problem wouldn't be that they lack masculine traits, but that they drop them with a woman (which is death in bed) or that they don't actually believe their own shit, which would be false bravado.

              What you're doing is cognitive dissonance.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wow thanks. I'm completely shocked...I really like this woman. What a breath of feminine fresh air.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The point isn't that they like it, but that they will prefer trying to change a masculine(or just physically attractive) man, rather than putting up with an effeminate man.
        It's not just Chads who get points for being an asshole, but eventually women do get fed up. That's why i said to find a balance between masculinity and socially acceptable behavior.
        A very masculine 4/10 will steal the girl from a 7/10 numale that does not display enough social dominance, is too whiny, emotional, or some other indicator that he's not manly enough.
        Looks are still the first check, but if you underestimate the importance of a strong masculine presence, you will get disappointing results.

        It's hard to tell men this, because they always want to prove they're not a bitch. It's like certain things that women refuse to hear. Men have to defend their masculinity, and so they never properly question if they really have anything worth defending.
        If you're a normie or sub5, masculinity makes a world of difference. It's the difference between your confidence being seen as just that, or being seen as arrogance/bravado.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The point isn't that they like it, but that they will prefer trying to change a masculine(or just physically attractive) man, rather than putting up with an effeminate man.
          >It's not just Chads who get points for being an asshole, but eventually women do get fed up. That's why i said to find a balance between masculinity and socially acceptable behavior.
          no you stupid bastard, that's a shit test. They fell in love with the asshole, and they do that because the asshole has options and comes across as a winner.

          The more you become an effeminate pussy the more they stop liking you and wish you were the badboy again, did you learn nothing from Zyzz.

          [...]
          i think it could work on like 1/10 of girls. narcissism isnt really that common

          well you will be bitter incel if u dont look good enaugh, and not all women are like ,,how dare'' and trying too hard to prove themselves something. thats my point

          >Women like assholes
          The asshole thing is the result of people mistaking confidence, assertiveness, and detachment for being an asshole.
          >Be self-confident in social situations
          >Know what you want, don't be afraid to go for it
          >Don't act desperate or let little things get you down
          These 3 things are totally harmless, but are often mistaken for "being a jerk" by people who got mogged by Chad once in middle school and now believe that all attractive men must be jerks.
          Obviously you can get away with being rude if you look like a male underwear model, especially on tinder, but girls will like you in spite of the rudeness not because of it.

          Those people are assholes, you described assholes, you're completely detached from reality.
          >NOT ALL WOMEN
          if that were true PUA bullshit wouldn't work, but it does, the only people who think it doesn't are people who don't pick up in the first place.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're clueless. And you lack basic reading comprehension.
            If you're this dumb, you're ngmi. Be more like Zyzz it's better for everyone.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >m-muh reading comprehenshion!!1!!
              absolutely pathetic, but keep trying to friend your way into pussy you effeminate non lifting pussy.

              >NOT ALL WOMEN
              well women are all different people, all women like good looks but they all like different treatment from good looking guys

              they really don't, see this guy's post

              kek'd

              [...]
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8W3nqc17Q

              women claim to not like assholes, but all those tasty masculine traits they like are traits majorly shared with assholes. Driven, self improving, vision, backbone, and for a bonus she also mentions how women go after guys who don't give a shit about them because they feel worth less, which are those high value guys with all the options and none of the time to deal with some cunt who tries to put them through the paces.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                well thats not an asshole in first place. they just like guys who look good and can afford to be one, or more like arent willing to take shit from them cuz they can

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >well thats not an asshole in first place. they just like guys who look good and can afford to be one, or more like arent willing to take shit from them cuz they can
                but that is an asshole,a guy who is driven and won't take shit is going to not mince words and put down men who he is ahead of because he's on his way to the top. If you're confident and cocky, other men are gonna challenge you, and he, in turn, is gonna put them down, and be seen as an asshole.

                caveman times, the biggest, meanest most masculine guy won, since we still operate from the primative brain that still works on girls. Which is why if you can inflict deadly violence on somebody, or demonstrate you are capable of said violence, women are nothing but wet for you. It's why murderers, bad boys, terrorists, drug dealers, and more are favored, they provide protection, violence, and dominance.

                Same reason why muscles work, they imply higher physical capability, along with fitness, but when you're jacked and you're a soft spoken pussy, they realize you're a bitch.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                well i guess if thats asshole, yes. dont think thats asshole behaviour at least in my book

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                tbh i dont think this really is either ,,masculine'' or ,,feminine''

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >most men fail at masculinity, and makes up for it with bravado
                you don't even realize how contradictory this is, bravado = confidence and spine, those are masculine traits. These imaginary men's problem wouldn't be that they lack masculine traits, but that they drop them with a woman (which is death in bed) or that they don't actually believe their own shit, which would be false bravado.

                What you're doing is cognitive dissonance.

                You're idiots. I'm tired of explaining shit to you, and reading your non sequitur.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no rebuttal
                >only attacks character
                >thinks lifting is a non sequitor,
                >cannot deal with hard facts
                I accept your concession.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >NOT ALL WOMEN
            well women are all different people, all women like good looks but they all like different treatment from good looking guys

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >NOT ALL WOMEN
            well women are all different people, all women like good looks but they all like different treatment from good looking guys

            this is like yeah all man like pussy but like fucking it differently

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no you stupid bastard, that's a shit test
            what no pussy does to a mf

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              >you get no pussy if you recognize what pussy does
              please tell us about the one girl you fucked and married.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Women like assholes
        The asshole thing is the result of people mistaking confidence, assertiveness, and detachment for being an asshole.
        >Be self-confident in social situations
        >Know what you want, don't be afraid to go for it
        >Don't act desperate or let little things get you down
        These 3 things are totally harmless, but are often mistaken for "being a jerk" by people who got mogged by Chad once in middle school and now believe that all attractive men must be jerks.
        Obviously you can get away with being rude if you look like a male underwear model, especially on tinder, but girls will like you in spite of the rudeness not because of it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          well you will be bitter incel if u dont look good enaugh, and not all women are like ,,how dare'' and trying too hard to prove themselves something. thats my point

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          well you will be bitter incel if u dont look good enaugh, and not all women are like ,,how dare'' and trying too hard to prove themselves something. thats my point

          i think it could work on like 1/10 of girls. narcissism isnt really that common

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          well you will be bitter incel if u dont look good enaugh, and not all women are like ,,how dare'' and trying too hard to prove themselves something. thats my point

          [...]
          i think it could work on like 1/10 of girls. narcissism isnt really that common

          btw i do agree with detachment and assertiveness part.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      good advice

  39. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry about other people just be the best you you can be.

  40. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    how do I get a cute girl???? it's fucking impossible because they know they're cute so they expect something extraordinary. how do i approach

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      dont treat them as some special species you go to them then shoot your shot

  41. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Completely possible my dude. Here is a little tale from personal experience

    >be average looking
    >be 5’8”
    >be 240lbs
    >start working out in October 2021
    >scary levels of working out
    >autistic levels of working out
    >200lbs in January
    >start hitting on random girls
    >190lbs in March
    >clothes fit better, girls mirin’
    >180lbs in May
    >flirting with literally everyone because hot AF
    >170lbs in August
    >gym is my temple, gainz before all else
    >starvation drives focused, methodical intensity
    >put a fucking bitch through a wall if need be to get my lifts
    >everything outside of the iron house is non-existent
    >no work, only gym
    >no money, only gym
    >no girls, only gym
    >only gym

    Now I really just ignore everything and people LOVE me for it. Work? Not doing it. Girls? Fuck em’ (literally)

  42. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would say it is very difficult. I’m a 6/10 and when I walk around the club with my 8/10 friend the difference is just huge. I can make eye contact and talk all I want, but it’s usually futile. My friend however just gets stopped by girls who wanna meet him. If you did not win the genetic lottery don’t expect to make it to the 20 percent.

  43. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    they exist

  44. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno man. I was fucking wonky and undateable when I was younger. Now I'm a bit over 30 and things are looking up

    >Signed a contract that will take me to the top 10% wage earners in the country
    >Lifted my way into yoked mode
    >Got educated gf who will inherit a shitton of money
    >Learned to dress well

    So I think lifting and career helps.

  45. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. It gets easier as you get older because everyone else gets shittier.

    t. 38 yr old white guy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have more eggs in my refrigerator than all those women combined.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lucky me. I already have kids.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      why the fuck are you doing this tinder shit at 38
      What are your priorities in life my man?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm recently divorced with 2 kids. Smashing single moms off of Tinder is a new hobby of mine.

  46. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't know, don't care just going to do my thing.

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