Is it possible to make gains as a vegan?

Is it possible to make gains as a vegan?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    vegan? no. vegetarian? easily. I think they call themselves lacto ovotarian or whatever the fuck

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the protein in vegetables is not as good as the protein in animal products so its way harder to build muscle

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not as good
      i like how you heard that from your favorite fitness youtuber but because you have no fucking clue what it actually means you just repeat that meaningless sentence.
      you can perfectly make the same gains as a vegan / vegetarian as an omnivore. the only difference is that you have to eat different kind of non-meat products to get every important amino acid. if you are used to be a retard who only eats rice and chicken, then ye, it would be more difficult for you to gain muscle on a non-meat diet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah sure and these amino acids just perfectly assemble themselves into complete proteins to give you the exact same (if not better!!!!!) gains as just eating complete proteins. Not buying it, nor am I buying any beyond meat bullshit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Uh, yeah, that is exactly how it works. Wait, do you think your body takes the actin and myosin and just puts them into your muscle?

          >what is digestion

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not all proteins are the same. Not all fats are the same. Imagine it like this. Your body is a lego set. You need a 2x2 block to fill in some hole. There is a 2x4 block. It technically fits if you rotate it; part will stick out, but that's fine, the hole is filled. Your body will use whatever pieces you put in to fill those holes, even if the 2x4 block sticking out will cause some problems down the line, because your body isn't thinking that far ahead. In fact, it's not thinking at all, it's a bunch of nano-machines just clicking and sticking together as they can. The onus is on you to put the best blocks inside. For food this means things like animal proteins and saturated fats.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Post body clueless dyel

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i like how you heard that from your favorite fitness youtuber

        And you got your protein from veges knowledge from who?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Meat protein is only absorbed 2% better than plant protein.
      It's not "way harder". It's negligible.

      https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jafc.2c01711

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All this study says is that meat is better than not meat.
        It doesn't even list funding.

        Uh, yeah, that is exactly how it works. Wait, do you think your body takes the actin and myosin and just puts them into your muscle?

        >what is digestion

        The fucky wucky process of breaking down and building up becomes more fucky wucky as the things being broken down and built up move further away from a complete protein. Do you have any studies showing otherwise? Gonna tell me about how an apple is actually a great source of protein?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "I didn't actually read it, I just interpreted the extract in the way I wanted"

          https://i.imgur.com/LVeCAYu.jpg

          the problem is not really about absorption, the problem is they can measure how much of the protein is immediately lost through urine, and animal source protein can be up to 50% retained (synthesized) and vegetable protein only 20% and the rest gets turned into plain ol' glucose through gng.

          The study clearly states that there was no functional difference in the proteins use in building muscle.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The study

            Ok bud, you keep fellating 'da science' and everyone else with some common sense will keep eating meat

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              lmao, actually braindead.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're LITERALLY going with a 'study' done by homosexuals and 'scientists' over SELF-EVIDENT reality

                you are a slave

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can you define "no functional difference" a bit more precisely? Seems like there's a functional difference, strange you'd say otherwise if that's the study we're going off of.
            Here lemme show you how fucking worthless your faux egghead shit is. I'm a moron and even I can tell you that that study found that the solubility of the MA was LOWER due to it having a higher molecular weight and it being hydrophobic (might use a different term in this case, basically water don't like it). This means it cannot be digested as well. Worse than meat. Like I said.
            Not to mention it has less essential and non-essential amino acids than the legit chicken breast. You're gay, you can't accept that your own link shows that meat > MA, and you are trying to act like you actually read your own link when everybody here can very easily see that you didn't. Got anything else to post?

            I’ve never seen someone this aggressively fucking stupid

            Ditto, retard. Go eat some grass.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You got the wrong guy retard, I never made any of those claims. It’s real fucking simple tho. Body breaks down proteins into their requisite amino acids which enter the blood stream. Those amino acids are used in building all kinds of shit, including muscle. Some have certain properties, like leucine which triggers MPS more than others.

              Complete proteins don’t matter. All that does matter is that in a course if a day you gets a relatively complete amino acid profile. And honestly if one day happens to be a little unbalanced and another day is unbalanced in the other direction, ITS FINE.

              I swear to god you chronically online types think the body is some fucking nuclear reactor and if ONE TINY THING is out of sync it falls apart. Your body can fucking break down plant proteins, that’s why it has digestive enzymes. Read a goddamn book.

              Not eating for a few days is fine. Eating meat is fine. Eating plants is fine. Even eating s o y is fine.

              FUCK you fucks PISS ME OFF

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think you also have the wrong guy based on your rambling nonsense that has nothing to do with what I posted but you responded to me directly.
                You explained all that but did not say whether or not plants are a better source of protein than meat. Nowhere here have I argued for a carnivore meme diet. That's not what this is about.

                I swear to god you chronically online types think that IST posts come with a million presuppositions that are found nowhere in the OP. Read a goddamn book.

                Not reading a bunch of shit that doesn't exist into people's posts is fine. Admitting you're wrong is fine. Reading just the comment and nothing else is fine. Even scrolling and not responding is fine.

                FUCK you fucks DON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON ME AT ALL.

                Incomprehensible post

                Zero abstraction ability. Checks out.
                Hey what the fuck happened to the vegans trying to cite that shitty study? Did they just give up because they got BTFOd so hard?

                MEAT > MA

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I’ve never seen someone this aggressively fucking stupid

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the problem is not really about absorption, the problem is they can measure how much of the protein is immediately lost through urine, and animal source protein can be up to 50% retained (synthesized) and vegetable protein only 20% and the rest gets turned into plain ol' glucose through gng.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Comparing the worst meat protein to the best plant based and still losing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >another 'study'

        dude...youre suck a cuckold its not even funny

        just run the experiment, eat nothing but epic plant based goyslop for a month and then eat nothing but high quality beef steak for a month and see what happens

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Plant protein is also severely lacking in leucine

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is if you have decent money and no issue chugging vegan protein shakes every meal.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much. Pea protein isolate is one of the only protein sources that's as good as meat in terms of protein absorption

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    like others have said, it is technically possible, but it's needlessly harder for no reason. plant protein is plain worse than animal protein, and usually comes packed with phytoestrogens and/or makes you fart (see: beans and peas). eating the optimal 1g/lb protein is already hard as it is, making it harder for no reason is just dumb. to say nothing about countless other potential deficiencies, like B12 etc.
    even vegetarian diet is miles better in this regard, the simple introduction of dairy makes it 10x simpler to get good protein.
    >that pic
    stupid comparison. chicken is low fat and has tons of protein. low fat dairy has few calories and lots of protein. broccoli contains inferior plant protein, and 100 calories of broccoli equals to around 300g of it. are you implying i should eat 4.2kg of broccoli to meet my daily protein intake?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1 g/lb
      >hard
      Lmao what, I only eat meat like twice a day and hit that just fine and I'm 200 pounds.

      Being vegan is definitely fitness hardmode, but it is possible. I'm trying to work down my meat consumption because it helps me stay hungrier and get more calories and because coming grain shortages due to droughts and heat waves are about to make meat real expensive, so I'd rather adapt now and stock up.

      Its really not that hard, lentils, tempeh (fuck off retards its fine, s o y is not the reason you're small, pussy) peas etc are all good sources, let alone non-meat animal sources like eggs.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1g/lb thing is pretty hard to hit without animal products on a serious cut, ie going catabolic. Lentils are pretty carb/calorie-dense and tofu sucks ass.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    let me just devote my entire day to eating 2 thousand calories of broccoli

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You evolved to be an omnivore for a reason.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >conveniently measures protein per 100 calories to deceive people
    You would have to eat 300g broccoli for those 11 grams of sub-par proteins and also 100 calories of lean beef is about 14g protein

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >grams of protein per kalories
    have fun eating 1500kcal worth of broccoli

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cups of broccoli
    >100 calories
    >7.4g protein
    k
    https://www.nutritionix.com/food/broccoli/1-cup

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2** cups of broccoli

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but it is difficult, you can make gains off of almost anything. The truth is humans need both plant and animals for a complete optimal diet.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, unless you are on frankenfoods and steroids (which will dramatically shorten your lifespan)

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >300g of broccoli for 11g of protein
    >300g of ribeye for 69g of protein

    To answer your question OP, it is possible, but way harder. To get complete proteins and enough calories you have to eat a lot more than you would while bulking on a balanced diet.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what about caloric density?
    Most people can not afford to ruminate on leafy greens, veganism as a lifestyle choice is a privilege of the 1% educated liberal higher class who thinks it can come pontificate on the choices of food sources, presuming unjustly most people have a choice.
    Vegans are rebels without a cause that must latch onto the suffering of other beings because they themselves have led such sheltered, entitled lives that there has been none for them to experience. They are karmic vampires par excellence, who suckle at the symbolic tit of animals to provide them with their own reason to live in a meaningless world that lacks substance. Much like greedy calves, they will push away others from feeding, and reaping the bounties on Earth of these sources of energy, for they need them dharmically to operate a cosmic shift of sleight of hand pertaining to balancing the net negative karma they receive for leading a life so void of suffering, like anti-buddhas themselves.
    the animals have signed no such contract, and bear no responsibility for the souls or karmic debts of vegans.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea why this image is getting reposted so often, it is literally wrong.

    100kcal of ribeye have 11g of protein and 100kcal of broccoli have 7.2g of protein

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    by the way, if the vegans care so much about the animals and our environment, would they be willing to consume only endemic, local, bioavailable sources of food in their area? Only grain, greens, and fruit that stemmed from this here soil you live in. Your region? or will you continue to eat the mystery factory import vegan snacks made from sweet potatoes unethically harvested in Vietnam, and shipped over a tanker that used 1kT of non-renewable fuel to get here, destroying countless animal migration routes and coral reeves...
    Oh that's right, your commitment to animals doesn't go that far. You see a green package that says vegan, yaaay all my guilt is absolved, thank you daddy...y'all are full hypocrites...How many of you vegans are lardplanets as well? Obese and yet you claim to care about ''sustainability'' and ''resource conservation'' etc...Yet you have no problem consuming 10kcalories a day of high farm-intensive quinoa and chia seeds which drain and deplete our local soils...I swear to god y'all are the biggest close-minded, narrow-vision freaks I ever met. It's like if you don't see blood on your plate, you're the virgin Mary herself on all other aspects...Drop the holier than thou act.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You cope with your own lack of standards by fantasizing about the hypocrisy of those who do have some.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pesticides kill [nothing]. Pests are [nothing]. Vegans care a lot about [nothing].

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Incomprehensible post

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ha ha ha...the difference between me and you is that I don't pretend I have any sort of moral high ground over anyone nor do I vilify others, especially when 99% of the world does not have the privilege to get thai basil and fucking jackfruit shipped at their door step, nor would think that they're doing the right think for Earth in doing so...
        You're so beyond entitled, privileged and ungrateful for the society that supports your ''better'' lifestyle that you dare spit on those that actually are being exploited, and forced into lack of choice in their food sources.
        You are actually the problem for the Earth as your lavish, incredibly picky lifestyle is actually causing greater harm to our soils, our ecosystems due to its heavy reliance on global logistics and energy use, yet you somehow claim to have some sort of authority above others.
        I just say that I don't judge anyone for what they do, and the only people I can't stand are people so deep their own little rich sheltered asses they think they're being goddamn freedom fighters for ordering a vegan kale salad at restaurant in Cali.
        You have no clue, actually no clue just how much you contribute and your reticence to even acknowledge the possibility shows clearly who is the unhealthy, and unstable and actually standardless between us. Because I for one, own up to my deeds, I stand by my footprint and judge not that of others. It's too late, the Earth is fucked anyways, and we're doomed. But pieces of shit like you who will make sure to moralize us on the way down deserve to die, especially when your lifestyle is actually 99% of the problem, your little 1%er lifestyle. And you're one, it only takes 12000 a year to be a part of the group. You're so fucking out of touch it's actually crazy how blinded you must be in your little echo chamber to think you're the good guy...Rebel without a cause...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the difference between me and you is that I don't pretend I have any sort of moral high ground over anyone nor do I vilify others
          hahaha clearly
          >Because I for one, own up to my deeds, I stand by my footprint and judge not that of others. It's too late, the Earth is fucked anyways, and we're doomed. But pieces of shit like you who will make sure to moralize us on the way down deserve to die
          hahaha

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            One of us is telling others not to eat something. Spending hours crafting arguments about it. Advocating for it.
            The other simply doesn't ask for the other to do anything. Who's the one here who unjustly thinks he has some form of moral authority? Hint : it's not me.
            And it's unjust because you are just as much guilty of animal cruelty and suffering inflicted upon them whether you like it or not. Your mere existence, your lifestyle in the first world conditions it. You live in a city, you buy your food in a supermarket, you ride the bus, you go on holidays, you consume a lot of products, goods and services. You are the problem too, whether you like it or not. And removing meat from your plate does not put you above the rest. Removing meat is a privilege only people like you can afford.
            You probably cause a damage of your own, sourcing rare fruits, nuts, greens and having them grown where they are not endemic, highly intensive niche crops you buy for their vegan marketing schemes. Refusing to acknowledge all of this, would be the highest proof of your hipocrisy in your investment for this Earth and its creatures, and would essentially unmask you as a fraud only interested in gathering power of authority upon others through whichever premise you deemed more suitable : ie veganism. In other words, you would be a rebel without a cause.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No one's reading all that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's okay shill I've done more to redpill the readers of this website than you did in your attempt to demoralize and disenfranchise the local populace from consuming healthy, locally available food sources. I see the devil is hard at work, but I work harder.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I see the devil is hard at work
                Are you the same schizophrenic anon that did the vocaroo thread a few days back? The one who was calm for half the thread and then literally started arguing with their own previous vocaroos
                https://voca.ro/1hcwYkrpcfQK
                This you?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you are arguing for people not to eat thai basil, jackfruit or quinoa, and I can take that into consideration without throwing a fit like you

              btw I eat none of those things so whom is it that you think you're arguing against?

              or are you so careless and permissive that you won't judge me if I do eat those exotic luxuries? pick a stance

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >OZ
      >cups
      god dam i hate murritards so fucking much

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's fine. We hate you too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beef is inferior to milk and eggs as a protein source. And the 21g/100g is wrong, depending on which cut/grind of meat you’re talking about.
      Remarkably, the protein in potatoes is very usable, but greatly outnumbered by the carbs in it. Though, again, milk and eggs outperform potatoes.
      Mushrooms are also really good: about equal to most meats. Milk and eggs outperform, but whey/casein is the best protein source, with egg whites a close 2nd.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >whey/casein is the best protein source
        cheese-chads rise up

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >milk fucks me up
        >eggs fuck me up
        no thanks jeff ill stick with beef

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Post a pic of 100 calories of broccoli next to 100 calories worth of beef to compare proportions.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm currently on 85/125/140/180, and been vegan for 10 years.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Started at 9st meat eater. Now 13st after going vegan. Eat a lot of lentils and legumes.
    >100g of lentils have 23g of protein.

    Also gladiators were vegan cus they were slaves and wouldn't have money wasted on meat for them just to die

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >gladiators were vegan cus they were slaves
      they were also fat so that small cuts wouldnt hit their organs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gtfo with your game changers bullshit. Gladiators were absolutely not vegan. They weren't even vegetarian. Gladiators ate a lot of barley because it gave them FAT with which they could survive blows.
      I would also not waste my high quality meat protein on my slaves, though. You're definitely right about that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What the hell do you even think veganism is?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Someone who doesn't eat anything derived from animals. Do you think gladiators fit that description?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They're weren't vegan. They ate barley
        Anon... I...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Allow me to clarify because you are clearly retarded. The plant-based nutrition that gladiators consumed served to give them a layer of fat, not to make them jacked super-warriors.
          The point is that plant-based is inferior when it comes to absorbing protein. I can see that you are unable to make a mental connection between points so I'll see if I can break it down again in an even more simple way.
          Gladiators were not vegan. Their fighting prowess was not based on a plant-based diet. The plant-based part of their diet served to put fat on their body, not to build muscle.
          Should I explain it again? You might get lost and act like someone is stupid because of your own inability to understand again so just ask if you need another round. Cheers

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No one reads blog posts. Please go to Tumblr or Reddit

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >fails to understand
              >fails to read explanation
              >pretends someone else is the one who belongs on tumblr or reddit
              sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh go eat some grass

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah you're full of shit. They were most likely vegan because omnivore diets were uncommon in Greece before christ-cucks came and ruined everything. Eating meat was occasional, mostly for sacrificial feasts, which slaves weren't allowed to participate in.

            Furthermore it's easy as fuck to gain muscles on a strictly vegan diet, there's literally no chance in hell they gave gladiators meat products. Have you even read Porphyry, Pythagorean text or literally any presocratic text at all? You don't need to respond to this, I already know the answer.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0110489
              This is the study your argument is based off of. You clearly cannot read or have not read it if you think that the study suggests that gladiators were vegan. I've been over this a billion times. Look at the sulphur levels and try to do some thinking for the first time in your life. You give these retard vegans one small thing and they run with it, you know?
              Vegans be like
              >there were slaves in the past with a 10% chance of dying every time they carried out their given tasks
              >clearly this shows that their diet is optimal for longevity and strength
              >please ignore that the findings in this study actually show that they were consuming mollusks and fish regularly (sulfur and nitrogen levels in their bones)
              >please ignore that the plant ash slurry also contained bone!!
              Hey remember when you said "You don't need to respond to this, I already know the answer."? Lmao get fucked, go eat some grass. Now link me your ancient gobbledemoron texts that you think outpace modern science and have any relevance here.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they probably did barley bulks in the winter/down season of the coliseum games, then when spring came and people came out to watch the games again, they would gradually lean out, probably returning to a diet of low grade game such as rabbits, pheasants, ducks, quails, and eggs.

            you are arguing for people not to eat thai basil, jackfruit or quinoa, and I can take that into consideration without throwing a fit like you

            btw I eat none of those things so whom is it that you think you're arguing against?

            or are you so careless and permissive that you won't judge me if I do eat those exotic luxuries? pick a stance

            I am telling you that your own lifestyle choices affect the fauna and flora of this earth. I'm not saying you shouldn't eat them, but I am saying if you eat vegan food such as fruits, legumes, beans and vegetables, that are not locally grown, harvested and available year round, you are ALSO responsible for ill effects inflicted on nature, and animals by the way of import/export logistics and trade routes through sea channels, but also land-based. I don't judge you if you do eat imported foods, and that also means not endemic too (another subject on whether certain species should be farmed on foreign soil to respect biodiversity), but that you shouldn't feel superior or like you have the moral authority to tell others what to eat and not to eat, if you yourself are not aware of your poor consumption choices.

            I never told you to stop eating anything. I told you to stop judging, or even thinking you're somewhat cleaner than others, you're terribly not. 99% of the rest of the world, vegan or not, actually has a better ecologic footprint than you. As a given. So stop that shit. You're out of touch because you come from exactly the kind of sheltered life which makes you take up a cause to find meaning in your life. But you've only gotten the part about feeling like you're right and others are wrong. We're all fucked. Vegans are not by any means above fault at all.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              do I have the right to judge you if I don't do those things?
              how will you cope with your responsibility if I'm not the hypocrite that you want me to be?

              and if I did do those things, and we're equally culpable for the ill effects inflicted on nature etc, would you want to improve with me? do you want make some better habits together? or does your sense of responsibility end as soon as you convince yourself that no one is doing better than you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's your problem. You are fixated on the notion of guilt and desperately want it if not to be other's alone, at least to be shared. You don't understand just how much all of us share in the responsibility for what is happening for this Earth, but by virtue of being who we are, we can understand which part we share.

                I know about my behaviors, I practice sustainability, I apply myself in sourcing my foods, I try to make ethical rational choices. It's not enough and it will never be enough. I want you to understand that, the damage is already irreversible and we are on an eternal downtrend from now on, regarding environmental health. We have introduced too much exogens virtually everywhere.
                Which is why we need to move away from the concept of guilt altogether. You and I did not invent nylon. We did not sign the fracking permits for those oil fields in Texas? But we can play a part in slowing the course of time towards the end. I just want us to lose the fault-blaming discourse all together, and stop judging one another. It's already too late. Some people will give up/can't have holidays by plane in the summer. Some people give up meat. Others choose to bike to work. Some of us will pick up trash at the beach. We all play a part, and dividing us on the subject of whether we tick all the boxes is a manichean good vs bad way to view things, wherein all humans are on a spectrum, all capable of fault, even unbeknownst to them.
                We just all have to do what we can. But don't expect us all to do everything all at once.
                It's no longer about who is guilty of what, but rather who feels responsible for what, and what they do on that environmental aspect to avoid any caused impacts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But we can play a part in slowing the course of time towards the end. I just want us to lose the fault-blaming discourse all together, and stop judging one another. It's already too late. Some people will give up/can't have holidays by plane in the summer. Some people give up meat. Others choose to bike to work. Some of us will pick up trash at the beach. We all play a part, and dividing us on the subject of whether we tick all the boxes is a manichean good vs bad way to view things, wherein all humans are on a spectrum, all capable of fault, even unbeknownst to them.
                >We just all have to do what we can. But don't expect us all to do everything all at once.
                I agree with you but then I wonder how do you defend writing this post

                by the way, if the vegans care so much about the animals and our environment, would they be willing to consume only endemic, local, bioavailable sources of food in their area? Only grain, greens, and fruit that stemmed from this here soil you live in. Your region? or will you continue to eat the mystery factory import vegan snacks made from sweet potatoes unethically harvested in Vietnam, and shipped over a tanker that used 1kT of non-renewable fuel to get here, destroying countless animal migration routes and coral reeves...
                Oh that's right, your commitment to animals doesn't go that far. You see a green package that says vegan, yaaay all my guilt is absolved, thank you daddy...y'all are full hypocrites...How many of you vegans are lardplanets as well? Obese and yet you claim to care about ''sustainability'' and ''resource conservation'' etc...Yet you have no problem consuming 10kcalories a day of high farm-intensive quinoa and chia seeds which drain and deplete our local soils...I swear to god y'all are the biggest close-minded, narrow-vision freaks I ever met. It's like if you don't see blood on your plate, you're the virgin Mary herself on all other aspects...Drop the holier than thou act.

                when people came to read and participate in this thread in order to make a small change in their own life, doing what they can as you put it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I went into depths in the hypocrisy that some vegans display in not acknowledging the part they as well play in the destruction of ecosystems, and welfare of animals. I admit the tone was quite satyrical and vitriolic even. I regret speaking so crudely, but I was intent on showing exactly how unaware most vegans are of the actual lack of sustainability of their practices.
                It's only when in conjunction with a sense of moral authority over others, and unwarranted judgment though, that I feel it is good to remind others of aspects of their behavior which they might be judged upon...You know, judge not, lest ye be judged.
                Really its more complicated than that, and we do agree on shared responsibility, and bearing some loads which others can not take. You can be a vegan, as I said I will never stop someone from doing anything, or think I can control them. It's just my prerogative. I do equally my own part, consuming responsibly on other aspects such as ethical trade, sourcing locally grown supplies, my own energy efficiency (mostly how I manage my water/electricity use), becoming more sustainable, and giving back by reducing waste of resources.
                We can all do something. Like I said. We just cant all do it all. It's both not reasonable, and not achievable. I'd rather we all work to the best of our own capabilities.
                Having a debate on practices which is not based upon the premise of implied guilt, and judgment is actually a healthier way to approach the subject of the environment. Responsibility is a better way to look at it, I think. But we all feel responsible for different things, and as we should, really.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gladiators weren't vegan. No one was vegan back, as it wasn't even possible to survive long term on a vegan diet, before the invention of supplements.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    100 calories of broccoli is 300 grams of broccoli. 100 calories of beef is 40 grams.

    If you want to eat 60 grams of protein per day (less than many here eat), you can eat 375 grams of beef or 1.62 kilos of broccoli.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beans:
      >beans
      Hotdogs:
      >BEEF, WATER, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF SALT, SORBITOL, SODIUM LACTATE, NATURAL FLAVORINGS, SODIUM PHOSPHATES, HYDROLYZED CORN PROTEIN, PAPRIKA, SODIUM DIACETATE, SODIUM ERYTHORBATE, SODIUM NITRATE

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good explanation of protein quality : meat vs vegetarian : https://youtu.be/hJNF2_dCWkg

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I eat chickpeas pretty much every day. Are these an ok source of protein or should I swap them out for something like paneer?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bro just let animal populations climb out of control
    vegans think nature and factory farming are the same thing, i.e. they're retarded, but we already knew that

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it is. You’ll have to do your research but is absolutely possible and not much harder than making gains from meat and dairy. Now, can we all just get along?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's definitely possible but "not much harder"? Hmm

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm speaking from first hand experience, so yeah, not much harder. You're blinded by hatred.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Blinded by hatred? I'm giving vegans credit you insecure gay. It takes a lot of hard work to achieve that on a suboptimal diet. Get the chip off your shoulder.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but I'll argue in his defense that you perhaps could have read his words with more of a curious consideration, rather than scorn. Perhaps he did just wonder how see his ''hmm''?

            Really what I try to do is take people's words online in the best way possible, unless the words themselves are directly insulting. You really have to sweeten it a little in this cesspool but it helps to have the mindset, not to close off potential healthy conversation.
            I do admit I've fallen victim to that myself before, though. It's easy to take things the wrong way, in text.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think part of the problem is that I very much enjoy banter so I escalate things when talking shit back and forth.

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