another pill that shills claim is basically legal steroids but without side effects
i genuinely dont understand why you idiots dont just pin
all the people shilling this shit on youtube are already on roids, joe rogan, mpmd, huberman etc. they all take roids, because these herbs dont work
I bought a more expensive brand like a decade ago and it honestly seemed to be extremely noticeable. All the shit you might expect from higher T like improved mood, increased energy, spontaneous throbbing boners like you were a teen again, etc.
Like with everything else it has extremely diminishing returns and quickly fades. They say to cycle it to get the same effect but nothing is ever like it was the first time you tried it.
I don't care if it's a meme. At the end of the day I feel great on it. The one I get works out to be ¢33 a capsule, I'll gladly swing it to have a great day where I enjoy my life more
I bought a more expensive brand like a decade ago and it honestly seemed to be extremely noticeable. All the shit you might expect from higher T like improved mood, increased energy, spontaneous throbbing boners like you were a teen again, etc.
Like with everything else it has extremely diminishing returns and quickly fades. They say to cycle it to get the same effect but nothing is ever like it was the first time you tried it.
Using the nontropics one now after stalling for 2 months, feel like i can push more in the workouts and my body feels fitter after two weeks
It seems to be working for me
I am literally overwhelmed by female interest right now
another pill that shills claim is basically legal steroids but without side effects
i genuinely dont understand why you idiots dont just pin
all the people shilling this shit on youtube are already on roids, joe rogan, mpmd, huberman etc. they all take roids, because these herbs dont work
Stop giving these supplement addicted people attention
I get good effects from it but stopped taking it for a while. Trying to stay on top of it again but it really is good shit. Only problem is it makes me nauseous when taken on an empty stomach
There are Reddit posts of people posting their bloodwork before and after with pretty drastic results but almost every time (the ones that actually had good results) they say improved all their lifestyle factors at the same time. So it’s hard to say it was the Tongkat. But I saw one where somebody went from 400 ng/dl total test to 900 using the 10% Tongkat ali from nootropics depot. I’ve taken it myself and it makes me feel like fucking shit. Apparently the effects only last a month or 2 before you build up a tolerance so you have to take breaks. I think it probably works but due to everything I just said it’s not really worth it. Pretty inefficient since you can’t take it continuously like gear.
I take Tongkat, it seems to do something because I am way more horny all the time and have a good deal more energy in the gym.
Don't get the Satoomi one in OP pic though, 200:1 Tongkat Ali extract isn't real, they are likely not lab tested at all. Plus it has a bunch of other random test boosting shit. Get the good stuff from Nootropics Depot 2% or 10% extract. There is good research suggesting that Tongkat does raise test, and anecdotally I am finding it helpful but that could be placebo and the research could be BS marketing so idk
>it wasn't working because side effects
Not him but that's literally not how side effects work, kek. Sometimes the side effects of a drug/product are so bad it's not worth taking, but that doesn't mean it doesn't also do what it's intended to do. c'mon bro you know this
>Does it work?
Depends on your lifestyle, genetics (where your T levels naturally are at), diet, etc.
Personally, when I stack Tongkat Ali with Fadogia Agrestis, I get crazy effects that are 100% NOT placebo. Like my testicles literally balloon up to 2x their original size. If I mix it in with NoFap I end up wanting to rape everything moving. Downside is it'll make me overly aggressive sometimes like if I feel another guy is mean mugging me i'll stare him down (standard meathead behavior).
I also have to take breaks in between otherwise the effects will diminish. Around the 1 month period I feel it working less and less.
just meaning you don't have to fucking cycle all the time. You don't have to cruise forever.
I did 2 cycles. Got results I liked and the leg up on myself that I wanted, and never touched gear again. I'm not natty and don't claim to be. Don't give a shit.
Point is just that you can spend ~200 on a whole cycle and get great results, or you can spend 500 on months worth of mushroom, horny goat weed, and gas station boner pills and still get a fraction of the benefits. That's dumb.
If the "natty" label is worth being a retard then... so be it I guess
Okay, please reply. This is the thing. I don't want to go full /fraud/, I'm a retard and I'm afraid I'll fuck myself up. However, I WOULD like to go /fraud/-lite, and I'm not sure how to do this. When I ask how, people tell me I'm a gay. I have asked friends who tell me to just drink a vial of HGH every day, but I don't trust them. Is there a reliable guide for the best shit I can take that doesn't involve injections?
In thing you can buy over the counter will have any effect really. Thats why the supplements shilled here change every two months. If they worked they'd be a staple and the herb or whatever would never change. You really should not waste your money. A lot of the studies are funded directly by people interested in selling the supplement. If you want to spend money, get your T levels checked and then work out your sleep, diet, and stress in life to optimize any problems
I take 10 % TA and Cistanche from Nootropics depot. Some things that changed slightly:
-more energy in gym
-need less sleep
-hornier
Mind you these effects are not very noticable and could very well be placebo. I'll be dropping these two for a couple of months once I run out to see if I feel worse without them. One thing that changed drastically one week into taking TA and Cistanche was hair shedding; a lot of it.
My regime was:
-1x 100 mg 10 % TA
-1x 200 mg Cistanche
Monday to Friday, nothing on Saturday and Sunday.
Just get Enclomiphene if you want to increase your T and ball size. Or start pinning HCG.
another pill that shills claim is basically legal steroids but without side effects
i genuinely dont understand why you idiots dont just pin
all the people shilling this shit on youtube are already on roids, joe rogan, mpmd, huberman etc. they all take roids, because these herbs dont work
its good for low t people and who want to recover somewhat from roids and not want to be a fucked up roidchud for life u retard.
>Gymnastika
What was he implying?
It seems to be working for me
I am literally overwhelmed by female interest right now
Using the nontropics one now after stalling for 2 months, feel like i can push more in the workouts and my body feels fitter after two weeks
I bought a more expensive brand like a decade ago and it honestly seemed to be extremely noticeable. All the shit you might expect from higher T like improved mood, increased energy, spontaneous throbbing boners like you were a teen again, etc.
Like with everything else it has extremely diminishing returns and quickly fades. They say to cycle it to get the same effect but nothing is ever like it was the first time you tried it.
when did it die out for you? so you dont take it anymore?
It gave me terrible gas
I don't care if it's a meme. At the end of the day I feel great on it. The one I get works out to be ¢33 a capsule, I'll gladly swing it to have a great day where I enjoy my life more
Stop giving these supplement addicted people attention
how long have you been taking it
the cents sign goes after the number. The dollar sign goes before the number
Yet another useless influencer herb, save your money
The most repulsive shit I've ever tasted.
dont try selenium then
Ok, I won't.
Going to give it a shot. Already cycle ashwaganda, definitely have noticeable results from that, let's see what happens with tongkat too.
pure meme
I get good effects from it but stopped taking it for a while. Trying to stay on top of it again but it really is good shit. Only problem is it makes me nauseous when taken on an empty stomach
did it give you gas?
Made my joints hurt
There are Reddit posts of people posting their bloodwork before and after with pretty drastic results but almost every time (the ones that actually had good results) they say improved all their lifestyle factors at the same time. So it’s hard to say it was the Tongkat. But I saw one where somebody went from 400 ng/dl total test to 900 using the 10% Tongkat ali from nootropics depot. I’ve taken it myself and it makes me feel like fucking shit. Apparently the effects only last a month or 2 before you build up a tolerance so you have to take breaks. I think it probably works but due to everything I just said it’s not really worth it. Pretty inefficient since you can’t take it continuously like gear.
I take Tongkat, it seems to do something because I am way more horny all the time and have a good deal more energy in the gym.
Don't get the Satoomi one in OP pic though, 200:1 Tongkat Ali extract isn't real, they are likely not lab tested at all. Plus it has a bunch of other random test boosting shit. Get the good stuff from Nootropics Depot 2% or 10% extract. There is good research suggesting that Tongkat does raise test, and anecdotally I am finding it helpful but that could be placebo and the research could be BS marketing so idk
It works
I had horrible sides like anxiety insomnia and lack of appetite from it so I dropped it
Sounds like it wasnt working enough to outweigh the sides
>it wasn't working because side effects
Not him but that's literally not how side effects work, kek. Sometimes the side effects of a drug/product are so bad it's not worth taking, but that doesn't mean it doesn't also do what it's intended to do. c'mon bro you know this
Thats not what I said buddy
>Does it work?
Depends on your lifestyle, genetics (where your T levels naturally are at), diet, etc.
Personally, when I stack Tongkat Ali with Fadogia Agrestis, I get crazy effects that are 100% NOT placebo. Like my testicles literally balloon up to 2x their original size. If I mix it in with NoFap I end up wanting to rape everything moving. Downside is it'll make me overly aggressive sometimes like if I feel another guy is mean mugging me i'll stare him down (standard meathead behavior).
I also have to take breaks in between otherwise the effects will diminish. Around the 1 month period I feel it working less and less.
how much are you taking and what brand?
I heard Huberman on Rogan saying that tongkat + Fadogia is basicly '1+1=3' effect
anyone tried Dereks Sigma? I saw derek having a beef with the nootropics depot owner about legitimacy of 200:1 root extracts
kids will spend hundreds on herbal garden gnometropic shit and experience 10% the gainz of a much cheaper beginner cycle.
Don't go full /fraud/ if you don't want to. Just know that taking turk, ecdy, tongkat, whatever, is gay and the lacroix of supplements
There is no such thing as "full fraud". You're either natty or you're not.
>You're either natty or you're not.
didn't say otherwise. cope and seethe.
>Don't go full /fraud/ if you don't want to
just meaning you don't have to fucking cycle all the time. You don't have to cruise forever.
I did 2 cycles. Got results I liked and the leg up on myself that I wanted, and never touched gear again. I'm not natty and don't claim to be. Don't give a shit.
Point is just that you can spend ~200 on a whole cycle and get great results, or you can spend 500 on months worth of mushroom, horny goat weed, and gas station boner pills and still get a fraction of the benefits. That's dumb.
If the "natty" label is worth being a retard then... so be it I guess
Okay, please reply. This is the thing. I don't want to go full /fraud/, I'm a retard and I'm afraid I'll fuck myself up. However, I WOULD like to go /fraud/-lite, and I'm not sure how to do this. When I ask how, people tell me I'm a gay. I have asked friends who tell me to just drink a vial of HGH every day, but I don't trust them. Is there a reliable guide for the best shit I can take that doesn't involve injections?
In thing you can buy over the counter will have any effect really. Thats why the supplements shilled here change every two months. If they worked they'd be a staple and the herb or whatever would never change. You really should not waste your money. A lot of the studies are funded directly by people interested in selling the supplement. If you want to spend money, get your T levels checked and then work out your sleep, diet, and stress in life to optimize any problems
>roid for pussies
I'm on 500mg of ashwaganda, doesn't do shit
In my experience it produces a curious feeling, but it's nothing special.
If you want to get high, do real drugs. If you want a test boost, get sunlight or roids. If you want to be super horny, do something else.
I take 10 % TA and Cistanche from Nootropics depot. Some things that changed slightly:
-more energy in gym
-need less sleep
-hornier
Mind you these effects are not very noticable and could very well be placebo. I'll be dropping these two for a couple of months once I run out to see if I feel worse without them. One thing that changed drastically one week into taking TA and Cistanche was hair shedding; a lot of it.
My regime was:
-1x 100 mg 10 % TA
-1x 200 mg Cistanche
Monday to Friday, nothing on Saturday and Sunday.
Just get Enclomiphene if you want to increase your T and ball size. Or start pinning HCG.