Martial arts stop being martial arts when they focus on making points in a sport or when they start being about kids having fun. I don't think Karate is a meme, but it sure is treated poorly in most dojos. Try to find a good place and do a LOT of sparring.
There are forms of karate that are designed for fighting that are incorporated in MMA, and others for sport. There isn't a single martial art that is a perfect fighting system in its entirety.
>There isn't a single martial art that is a perfect fighting system in its entirety.
This. With the caveat that any martial art school with sparring (at least soft-sparring) is magnitudes better than one that only does drills.
find some dojos near you and go to the one you like the most, if there aren't any go to a kickboxing/boxing gym and look up kata on youtube. Feel no shame for wanting to learn the ways of fucking someone up
karate is sadly retarded. i donk know of a single style that spars with head punches. kyokushin is retarded because it ends up with two guys hugging their ribs and standing chest to chest
Honestly we know what styles are effective - just watch last 20 years of MMA.
We see that wrestling, boxing, and muay thai are effective. We see that sambo guys do well. We see that some BJJ guys do well, though less so now.
All these styles have this in common: They lean very heavily on strength and endurance conditioning and they teach aggression. Pick one of the styles that have sparring and produces fit people.
Really want to do it but I also heard it's a meme.
if you want to do it because it looks fun do it. If you want to do non-meme karate find a good shotokan school that does contact sparring. It isn't something I would rely on for self-defense but it has been proven to work in kickboxing and MMA at a high level by a few fighters, notably Stephen Thompson, Raymond Daniels, and Michael Page, although they pull from other disciplines as well.
It depends what your goal is. If you just want to stay in shape and have sparring sessions in an controlled environment you should not go for karate, but for something like mma. If you want to be able to defend yourself in a street fight you should definately go for a karate version like Kyokoshin for instance.
Can be based or cringe. The chances of you finding a legit based dojo that isn't meme shit that actually has you doing hardcore tough guy shit is pretty much 0 though. Karate in most places is just a business and will pretty much do anything for mass appeal. You can't appeal to parents, weaklings, yuppies, and queers if you're doing anything beyond pattycake. Call up a fuck ton of places and go to their dojos. You should be able to pretty much determine on sight if it is good or not. Again, chances are they all will suck ass
don't listen to the mma fags. Their only "fighting experience" is from watching mma on ppv and playing games. This is what happens when you take a fight to the ground in a bar or on the streets. Its almost never a 1 vs 1 and you will get stomped on or kicked in the head or back when you start hugging on the ground
As discussed hundreds of times already, training grappling allows you to defend takedowns and AVOID going to ground. There is a lot of value in learning grappling for self defense.
they have never been in a fight and imagine scenarios where they are 1v10 in a bar going ip man on all of them when they'd just get put in the hospital.
you don't train anything or lift or fight just sit here and talk hypotheticals from your unclean room. Kys, better yet get in a street fight so someone can do it for you.
I'm practicing Uechi-Ryū. It foucuses a lot on getting strong and to condition your body to endure pain. As other Anons have mentioned, it depends a lot on the dojo and of course your sensei.
It's based. Don't worry about internet arguments over "real martial arts" or "better for real figthing" or whatever.
Just like lifting. Put effort in your practice. Try to improve. Take good care of yourself.
Live a long fullfilling life doing what you want to do without worrying about internet martial autist and their opinions.
BJJ, Judo, Muy Thai, and TKD seem to be the only full contact martial arts.
I imagine karate would get more attention if it wasn't so limited and had more sparring.
>TKD seem to be the only full contact martial arts.
TKD is 100% not full contact. WTF (olympic style) doesn't allow head punches, doesnt award points for body punches and the scoring incentivizes fast slap kicks with zero power. It is to kicking what modern fencing is to sword fighting. ITF, per their published world championship rules, actively penalises heavy contact and can DQ the fighter who KOs their opponent.
t. Did tkd for 14 years, now do muay thai
>TKD fully body
maybe in its inception but modern TKD is bullshit where you cant punch and cant kick too hard. Its really prissy when it comes to sparring like the other anon said its the equivalent of modern day fencing
WTF TKD is honestly one of the worst examples of full contact because the electronic sensors in the body guard are so sensitive you're much better off tapping the sensor points quickly instead of actually striking to inflict damage. It does come with some occasional KOs with blows to the head though
As someone who did kyokushin for years: Don't do kyukushin. They don't do enough boxing or grappling.
Judo is based and useful
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As discussed hundreds of times already, training grappling allows you to defend takedowns and AVOID going to ground. There is a lot of value in learning grappling for self defense.
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Taekwondo is basically just Korean Karate without throws and more kicking
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Just do boxing or judo do both if you want to be really dangerous
there are no strikes exclusive to any striking sports anymore, it's all homogenized except for headbutts in lethwei I guess. Strikes that you would generally attribute to karate are side kicks, hook kicks, spin hook kicks, spin back kicks, axe kicks, and blitzing with punches but taekwondo has a lot of similarities. It's a lot to do with the bladed stance and point-karate style movements.
as kringe as it gets. it's for literally for children to do a little play fighting and physical activity. it has no application inthe real world and there is no reason for an adult to learn it when many superior martial arts exist.
Eastern martial arts are good for mobility and body control. Kinda like yoga.
It's not really worthwhile for self defence or MMA although the kicks can be effective.
I did them as a kid and I think it would be pretty cringe to join as an adult, but I take some inspiration from what I learned then.
The biggest issue with Karate (besides the lack of grappling) is there is not enough boxing/punching. But some karate dojos are incorporating it. Ask about it if yo go to visit a dojo near you.
Kyokushin Karate is pretty good, but most of the Kyokushin blackbelts in my city end up moving on to kickboxing sooner or later. You can always tell which kickboxers have a kyokushin background because their kicks are incredibly sharp and technically proficient. Translates really well to kickboxing.
Remember last Olympics when everyone got excited for it and instead it was some fucking embarassing peformance stuff where they danced around? What a disaster it was, imagine being a combat sport and your competition doesn't involve fighting at all
I just got back to Karate after more than a decade off. I know muay thai would make me deadlier, but karate was enough to get me through every fight in my life so far, and it's way more fun.
Make your choice, but remember that you can always change your mind.
im not gonna bet my life on that though, im gonna train a grappling art that will work regardless of if my opponent is shirtless or in a full winter jacket. whats the move if some dipshit at the beach slaps your girls ass and you cant get your faggy little lapel grip?
lol all jokes aside, i think the grips make GI BJJ much more slow and unathletic. Most people I even roll with don't even bother with takedowns and just grab shit and pull guard. No-Gi has a lot more wrestling and scrambling built in, which is more akin to a real fight imo.
Doing anything is better than nothing though, not trying to throw shade at my Brazilian ass sniffer fags.
>had to get good at every other aspect of MMA to get to his level >still has notable problems with wrestlers >along with Machida are complete anomalies in the sport >implying some random fitfag is gonna be tbe same level as a 19-0 karate kickboxer when some crackhead moron slams his head into the concrete
>spinning heel kick
My fucking favorite. This and the back kick are maybe the sickest single strikes you can do, provided you can actually land them
I'm still working on the speed and not telegraphing part
As usual, go with the opposite of what the majority of IST says. Here's 3 hard facts for you that are rarely discussed or mentioned.
1. Karate had a very good showing in WW2 hand to hand combat. Remember, the Japanese used it as a close combat doctrine for their special forces. And it worked very well, at least in Asia. So, as far as Asian martial arts are concerned, Karate is pretty much top tier. It beats out basically all of Kung Fu (except Tongbeiquan), Muay Thai and all other indigenous fighting styles of non-Japan Asia. That is how dominating the Japanese were.
2. In the 60s, there were several MMA-ish competition matches between Muay Thai and Karate. Karate won. The most famous of these was the Kyokushinkai vs Muay Thai feud in 1964, in which Karate won 2 out of 3 fights, even with the notoriously biased Thai judges and crowd.
3. Karate was seen as dangerous enough to be banned in the Soviet bloc in the 1970s. They had access to basically any martial art, but banned only a few of them. Yes, that means the commies thought Karate was much more daBlackus than boxing, wrestling, judo, etc. Only the specialsied secrets service personnel like KGB, or STASI were trained in it.
Now, I'm not saying Karate is an invincible super Saiyan fighting style for real fighter such as myself. In fact, French Savate was seen as superior für pure striking even back in the 1950s, for example. But the modern notion of "go Muay Thai or go home" is not just wrong, it is insultingly wrong. The typical American bullshit we all know and love.
It's not that Karate is actually ineffective, its that it has been completely watered down and bastardized into nothing more than a childrens after school program. No real sparring against live opponents with the intention to finish. If we still had proper gyms in the west that taught it the old way, this wouldnt be a problem. Same thing happened to Judo. It used to literally just be BJJ with a plethora of throws and takedowns, now the entire ground aspect is gone and it gets gapped by BJJ.
>real sparring against live opponents
Nobody outside the US does this the way you think they do. You drank the Kool Aid from the 1990s marketing program for MMA.
As always, the best martial art depends significantly on location. In fact, OP should not post these threads without posting his/her general closest city or their county.
>1. Karate had a very good showing in WW2 hand to hand combat. Remember, the Japanese used it as a close combat doctrine for their special forces. And it worked very well, at least in Asia. So, as far as Asian martial arts are concerned, Karate is pretty much top tier. It beats out basically all of Kung Fu (except Tongbeiquan), Muay Thai and all other indigenous fighting styles of non-Japan Asia. That is how dominating the Japanese were.
Bullshit > In the 60s, there were several MMA-ish competition matches between Muay Thai and Karate. Karate won.
Karatekas that won were also judokas and won because of throws >Karate was seen as dangerous enough to be banned in the Soviet bloc in the 1970s.
It was seen dangerous same way as rock music - they thaught this is some capitalist craze that was developed to destroy youth.
As an awkward friendless adult man getting into karate you will be assumed to be a paedophile by a lot of people. Otherwise you will have fun despite it being a bit cringe.
It's kringe
Martial arts stop being martial arts when they focus on making points in a sport or when they start being about kids having fun. I don't think Karate is a meme, but it sure is treated poorly in most dojos. Try to find a good place and do a LOT of sparring.
There are forms of karate that are designed for fighting that are incorporated in MMA, and others for sport. There isn't a single martial art that is a perfect fighting system in its entirety.
>There isn't a single martial art that is a perfect fighting system in its entirety.
This. With the caveat that any martial art school with sparring (at least soft-sparring) is magnitudes better than one that only does drills.
find some dojos near you and go to the one you like the most, if there aren't any go to a kickboxing/boxing gym and look up kata on youtube. Feel no shame for wanting to learn the ways of fucking someone up
Karate is gay.
It's for kids and napoleon dynamite tier nerds and pedophiles who prey upon said kids.
Do something cool like taekwando or "MMA" that you won't be embarrassed to say you like doing and people will think sounds badass.
Karate techniques are having a bit of a resurgence in MMA, since a handful are useful.
Taekwondo is basically just Korean Karate without throws and more kicking
So literally just more kicking ass?
Arean't Taekwondo and Karate litierally the same, just Taekwondo is Korean "partiotic" version of Karate?
Lmao TKD is like the most meme martial art besides maybe wing chun and aikido.
TKD is more of a meme than Karate. At least its not Wing Chun or Jeet Kun Do lmao.
Shotokan and Muay Thai are very effective in the real world.
karate is sadly retarded. i donk know of a single style that spars with head punches. kyokushin is retarded because it ends up with two guys hugging their ribs and standing chest to chest
We practice head punches, eye gouges, throat shots, and chokes. Depends on the dojo
throat shots always make me laugh anyone that can fight has their chin tucked
Landing one can be pretty effective, though. I've been clotheslined in the throat on accident during sparring and it sucked.
Just do Muay Thai and BJJ
Honestly we know what styles are effective - just watch last 20 years of MMA.
We see that wrestling, boxing, and muay thai are effective. We see that sambo guys do well. We see that some BJJ guys do well, though less so now.
All these styles have this in common: They lean very heavily on strength and endurance conditioning and they teach aggression. Pick one of the styles that have sparring and produces fit people.
dunning-kruger
if you want to do it because it looks fun do it. If you want to do non-meme karate find a good shotokan school that does contact sparring. It isn't something I would rely on for self-defense but it has been proven to work in kickboxing and MMA at a high level by a few fighters, notably Stephen Thompson, Raymond Daniels, and Michael Page, although they pull from other disciplines as well.
How would you go about combining martial arts and lifting? Like what if they want you to do a shitload of body weight exercises on a rest day?
Just do boxing or judo do both if you want to be really dangerous
It depends what your goal is. If you just want to stay in shape and have sparring sessions in an controlled environment you should not go for karate, but for something like mma. If you want to be able to defend yourself in a street fight you should definately go for a karate version like Kyokoshin for instance.
this bro is retarded do the opposite of what he says
Can be based or cringe. The chances of you finding a legit based dojo that isn't meme shit that actually has you doing hardcore tough guy shit is pretty much 0 though. Karate in most places is just a business and will pretty much do anything for mass appeal. You can't appeal to parents, weaklings, yuppies, and queers if you're doing anything beyond pattycake. Call up a fuck ton of places and go to their dojos. You should be able to pretty much determine on sight if it is good or not. Again, chances are they all will suck ass
don't listen to the mma fags. Their only "fighting experience" is from watching mma on ppv and playing games. This is what happens when you take a fight to the ground in a bar or on the streets. Its almost never a 1 vs 1 and you will get stomped on or kicked in the head or back when you start hugging on the ground
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As discussed hundreds of times already, training grappling allows you to defend takedowns and AVOID going to ground. There is a lot of value in learning grappling for self defense.
they have never been in a fight and imagine scenarios where they are 1v10 in a bar going ip man on all of them when they'd just get put in the hospital.
>you have to train mma for grapling
>this so you avoid taking a fight to the ground
mma fags really are the lowest iq in the world of martial arts
you don't train anything or lift or fight just sit here and talk hypotheticals from your unclean room. Kys, better yet get in a street fight so someone can do it for you.
I didn't even mention MMA
Whats cringe is you asking here. Take a look and if you wanna do it just do it
I'm practicing Uechi-Ryū. It foucuses a lot on getting strong and to condition your body to endure pain. As other Anons have mentioned, it depends a lot on the dojo and of course your sensei.
Judo is based and useful
It's based. Don't worry about internet arguments over "real martial arts" or "better for real figthing" or whatever.
Just like lifting. Put effort in your practice. Try to improve. Take good care of yourself.
Live a long fullfilling life doing what you want to do without worrying about internet martial autist and their opinions.
BJJ, Judo, Muy Thai, and TKD seem to be the only full contact martial arts.
I imagine karate would get more attention if it wasn't so limited and had more sparring.
>TKD seem to be the only full contact martial arts.
TKD is 100% not full contact. WTF (olympic style) doesn't allow head punches, doesnt award points for body punches and the scoring incentivizes fast slap kicks with zero power. It is to kicking what modern fencing is to sword fighting. ITF, per their published world championship rules, actively penalises heavy contact and can DQ the fighter who KOs their opponent.
t. Did tkd for 14 years, now do muay thai
>doesn't award points for body punches
You do get a point for one punch to the body guard. No head punches is such a strange decision though
It has to be with enough force to change their momentum (last time i competed, which was fucking years ago) so it's a waste of time
>TKD fully body
maybe in its inception but modern TKD is bullshit where you cant punch and cant kick too hard. Its really prissy when it comes to sparring like the other anon said its the equivalent of modern day fencing
WTF TKD is honestly one of the worst examples of full contact because the electronic sensors in the body guard are so sensitive you're much better off tapping the sensor points quickly instead of actually striking to inflict damage. It does come with some occasional KOs with blows to the head though
If you go for karate go for kyokushin
As someone who did kyokushin for years: Don't do kyukushin. They don't do enough boxing or grappling.
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Real karate is too dangerous for mma and sports. That's why it's barely every used.
lyoto machida, henry cejudo, and mcgoober did karate
And anderson silva got lessons from steven segal. Doesn't make aikido less of a joke.
>these mma double champs used a karate striking style
>doesn't mean it works
retard alert
What strikes are exclusive to karate?
there are no strikes exclusive to any striking sports anymore, it's all homogenized except for headbutts in lethwei I guess. Strikes that you would generally attribute to karate are side kicks, hook kicks, spin hook kicks, spin back kicks, axe kicks, and blitzing with punches but taekwondo has a lot of similarities. It's a lot to do with the bladed stance and point-karate style movements.
as kringe as it gets. it's for literally for children to do a little play fighting and physical activity. it has no application inthe real world and there is no reason for an adult to learn it when many superior martial arts exist.
machida would skull-fuck you
Eastern martial arts are good for mobility and body control. Kinda like yoga.
It's not really worthwhile for self defence or MMA although the kicks can be effective.
I did them as a kid and I think it would be pretty cringe to join as an adult, but I take some inspiration from what I learned then.
You're not one of those boxers who thinks they'd just grab a leg from a kick in a street fight, are you?
your reading comprehension, anon?
I made a sole exception for kicks
Okay, just checking. There are some doofuses who occasionally show up in these threads saying "kicks don't work" and "I'd just grab em"
I invented karate ama
it depends on however you interpret this
bro got confidence
Anyone serious about karate would handle 99% of people in the street
The biggest issue with Karate (besides the lack of grappling) is there is not enough boxing/punching. But some karate dojos are incorporating it. Ask about it if yo go to visit a dojo near you.
Kyokushin Karate is pretty good, but most of the Kyokushin blackbelts in my city end up moving on to kickboxing sooner or later. You can always tell which kickboxers have a kyokushin background because their kicks are incredibly sharp and technically proficient. Translates really well to kickboxing.
If you find a good dojo, it's based as fuck. Mcdojos are cringe. They just want your money.
Karate sounds cringe do Muay Thai or boxing
Remember last Olympics when everyone got excited for it and instead it was some fucking embarassing peformance stuff where they danced around? What a disaster it was, imagine being a combat sport and your competition doesn't involve fighting at all
I just got back to Karate after more than a decade off. I know muay thai would make me deadlier, but karate was enough to get me through every fight in my life so far, and it's way more fun.
Make your choice, but remember that you can always change your mind.
cringe, do a real striking art like Muay Thai or Boxing. Karate has been ruined and turned into a gay point competition.
>not doing boxing, taekwondo and BJJ on the side
I laugh at you plebs
Hope thats No-Gi BJJ, unless you normally only get into street fights with people that wear pajamas.
Yeah but people usually wear jackets or sweaters or anything with enough grip to actually grab on so I don't think it's worthless
im not gonna bet my life on that though, im gonna train a grappling art that will work regardless of if my opponent is shirtless or in a full winter jacket. whats the move if some dipshit at the beach slaps your girls ass and you cant get your faggy little lapel grip?
lol all jokes aside, i think the grips make GI BJJ much more slow and unathletic. Most people I even roll with don't even bother with takedowns and just grab shit and pull guard. No-Gi has a lot more wrestling and scrambling built in, which is more akin to a real fight imo.
Doing anything is better than nothing though, not trying to throw shade at my Brazilian ass sniffer fags.
not a meme.
look up Stephen Thompson.
>had to get good at every other aspect of MMA to get to his level
>still has notable problems with wrestlers
>along with Machida are complete anomalies in the sport
>implying some random fitfag is gonna be tbe same level as a 19-0 karate kickboxer when some crackhead moron slams his head into the concrete
not implying anything
>spinning heel kick
My fucking favorite. This and the back kick are maybe the sickest single strikes you can do, provided you can actually land them
I'm still working on the speed and not telegraphing part
look at sage northcutt
6:22 for trophies. Probably the most decorated karate kid in the world.
didn't he get exposed pretty quickly?
2 losses by sub
1 loss by a world champion level kick boxer.
0 wins over anyone good
0 fights since 2019
Yeah, his face got fractured so he's been out.
As usual, go with the opposite of what the majority of IST says. Here's 3 hard facts for you that are rarely discussed or mentioned.
1. Karate had a very good showing in WW2 hand to hand combat. Remember, the Japanese used it as a close combat doctrine for their special forces. And it worked very well, at least in Asia. So, as far as Asian martial arts are concerned, Karate is pretty much top tier. It beats out basically all of Kung Fu (except Tongbeiquan), Muay Thai and all other indigenous fighting styles of non-Japan Asia. That is how dominating the Japanese were.
2. In the 60s, there were several MMA-ish competition matches between Muay Thai and Karate. Karate won. The most famous of these was the Kyokushinkai vs Muay Thai feud in 1964, in which Karate won 2 out of 3 fights, even with the notoriously biased Thai judges and crowd.
3. Karate was seen as dangerous enough to be banned in the Soviet bloc in the 1970s. They had access to basically any martial art, but banned only a few of them. Yes, that means the commies thought Karate was much more daBlackus than boxing, wrestling, judo, etc. Only the specialsied secrets service personnel like KGB, or STASI were trained in it.
Now, I'm not saying Karate is an invincible super Saiyan fighting style for real fighter such as myself. In fact, French Savate was seen as superior für pure striking even back in the 1950s, for example. But the modern notion of "go Muay Thai or go home" is not just wrong, it is insultingly wrong. The typical American bullshit we all know and love.
It's not that Karate is actually ineffective, its that it has been completely watered down and bastardized into nothing more than a childrens after school program. No real sparring against live opponents with the intention to finish. If we still had proper gyms in the west that taught it the old way, this wouldnt be a problem. Same thing happened to Judo. It used to literally just be BJJ with a plethora of throws and takedowns, now the entire ground aspect is gone and it gets gapped by BJJ.
>real sparring against live opponents
Nobody outside the US does this the way you think they do. You drank the Kool Aid from the 1990s marketing program for MMA.
t. oldfag
As always, the best martial art depends significantly on location. In fact, OP should not post these threads without posting his/her general closest city or their county.
>1. Karate had a very good showing in WW2 hand to hand combat. Remember, the Japanese used it as a close combat doctrine for their special forces. And it worked very well, at least in Asia. So, as far as Asian martial arts are concerned, Karate is pretty much top tier. It beats out basically all of Kung Fu (except Tongbeiquan), Muay Thai and all other indigenous fighting styles of non-Japan Asia. That is how dominating the Japanese were.
Bullshit
> In the 60s, there were several MMA-ish competition matches between Muay Thai and Karate. Karate won.
Karatekas that won were also judokas and won because of throws
>Karate was seen as dangerous enough to be banned in the Soviet bloc in the 1970s.
It was seen dangerous same way as rock music - they thaught this is some capitalist craze that was developed to destroy youth.
As an awkward friendless adult man getting into karate you will be assumed to be a paedophile by a lot of people. Otherwise you will have fun despite it being a bit cringe.
Okinawa Dento Karate >>>> other karate