Yea because they get fucking killed by something before that
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Anonymous
Animals in the zoo live very long and don't get cancer either. Or its extremely rare
Wild mammal animals have the highest cancer rates across the animal kindgom, anyway it wouldn't matter because cancer is natural either way
The 50% lifetime cancer risk seen in humans is not natural. Cancer in wild animals living naturally not exposed to toxic chemicals is very rare
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Cancer in wild animals living naturally not exposed to toxic chemicals is very rare
What's the evidence that cancer is "very rare" in wild nature animals? >The 50% lifetime cancer risk seen in humans is not natural.
Is natural to a large extent because humans live longer than ever so cancer is more common due to statistics favoring cancer to show up, the odds favour cancer
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go to your local zoo and ask how many animals get cancer. They are living almost twice as long as in the wild. By your logic they should all have cancer
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Go to your local zoo and ask how many animals get cancer.
Those are not wild animals, those are captive animals >By your logic they should all have cancer
You made claims about wild animals why are you changing the goalpost
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was an analogy for humans because we are living longer now which you admit. Way to dodge the inconvenient holes in your shitty argument
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It was an analogy
Ok so you have no evidence for your claims, I accept your consession.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No animal gets 50% cancer rate wild, zoo, or otherwise. You have no evidence to the contrary. Go back to whatever hole you came from cretin
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You have no evidence to the contrary.
I don't need to prove a negative, you made the claim not me
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can't prove wild animals don't have cancer at high rates because they dont. You can try to disprove it. You won't because I'm right
This
The whole “it’s all natural is it’s good” is the biggest larp ever. I get wanting to move away from processed garbage like McDonalds but there’s a lot of “natural” shit out there that will kill you
Like yea bro I only drink milk directly from the cows udders bro
I doubt humans when they were evolving were lucky enough to have meat every day. Eating meat means catching an animal in the event you even find it. Makes no sense from a practical evolutionary perspective that we were only intended to eat something that difficult to obtain. The only way that would work is if you ate like once a week and ate the entire animal within a few hours. that’s also ignoring the idea of parasites and illnesses from the meat itself because it wasn’t cooked. A certain percentage of animals are carrying something bad for you. If you only eat meat once or twice a month (as a caveman) and didn’t cook it, you might be fine and the chances would be lower to get sick. Keep in mind when humans were evolving they may have been in areas without a lot of animals and would need to be versatile and flexible to adapt to what the environment provided.
Okay that’s a useful thought but it doesn’t account for every scenario. Even if people are both animal meat and bugs surely humans found themselves in environments where if only for a week or two it was hard to get enough of bugs or meat. So what do they do in that situation just starve and live off their fat (which they probably don’t have a lot of) while they migrate in hopes of finding food? makes no sense they wouldn’t eat fruit or vegetables.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
modern 2000 kcal daily intake need is not applicable to cavemen.
they sometimes ate thousands if they had access to meat, honey etc. and oftentimes ate nothing or had only a few calories from berries and whatnot. they were usually fasting and died by 40 because of the lack of nutrients and/or hazards, infections
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’m a wildland firefighter and we eat like 3000 calories a day and many of us still lose weight from our job with the food they feed us. I can’t tel if you’re agreeing with me or not or where you’re going with what you said. I just don’t see any scenario where people walking all day or exploring would be able to survive not eating fruits and vegetables. maybe you’re agreeing with me but I don’t think everyone else understands from a matter of practicality humans would need to eat everything they had access to.
also, while fruit can be processed by humans, it is also true that modern agriculture changed the fructose/glucose content of certain fruit we like.
berries and other small reddish fruit are the way to go.
Are you trying to say that modern fruit isn’t as healthy as past fruit? That may or may not be true I’m open to the idea of it. However I eat fruit and vegetables to try and get micronutrients and vitamins and as an insurance I’m case I’m missing it from meat and fish. I have more confidence in that than a multivitamin.
2 weeks ago
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Sorry typing on my phone.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>3000 cals
keto is based on the fact that burning fat (ketosis) instead of carbs (glycolysis) produces way more atp to go around, thus, one would have more energy from "less food". you are probably not eating as a caveman would, so you're not in ketosis, but i can't know that obviously, im just guessing.
i'm trying to say, that while you're right, that we are built to also be able to process fruit, not EVERY fruit is good for us. most of what we know could not have been found in the wild, or at least, not in the form we know today.
obviously, certain climates/biomes help promote a ketogenic lifestyle, while others don't. ketosis is not the destination of a healthy life, but it helps tremendously with losing all the excess fat we have due to the carb-focused lifestyles we were taught to follow.
all in all, one should keep carbs low, around 50-100 grams daily, so it wont turn into excess fat and cause diabetes for example.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
We absolutely do not eat a Keto diet we eat MREs half the time and often they put candy and weird shit into our lunches to pad our calories out. I only mentioned it because our job involves climbing and hiking in the mountains in the wilderness so the 3000 calories not being enough for some of us seemed really relevant to the conversation.
I don’t know much about Keto, but intuitively I feel like if you can have more energy with less food like you said, on a very restricted diet, it’s more of a backup system than something the body should always be in. But I have no real idea. I only commented on the thread because it’s absurd to me people think cavemen didn’t eat fruit or vegetables out of necessity.
Your point about modern vegetables or fruit being altered is worth considering and I have no idea how much weight that has. I make a smoothie for my family most days out of the week. My gut feeling is that even if they are all altered forms of fruit and vegetables found in nature, the pros of eating them outweigh any abstract cons or negatives of eating them. i don’t eat carrots or spinach or lemons or berries or whatever to gain weight I just believe there are things contained in those foods that help the body run optimally that you probably don’t get from fish or meat.
On the subject of Keto, I eat avacado once or twice a week for healthy fat. Avacado is something only found in a certain region and it isn’t meat. Do you or other people think because it’s a plant based food it’s bad for you? I treat it the same way I treat Tuna fish. I eat it two or so times a week as a healthy fat with vitamin d for absorbtion.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I only mentioned it because our job involves climbing and hiking in the mountains in the wilderness so the 3000 calories not being enough for some of us seemed really relevant to the conversation.
muscle burns through all the carbs/sugar you take in. the rest goes into the fat reserves. if you would take less carbs than needed, you would catabolise your muscles. your diet is "needed" because some people actually do need that much carbs to not lose their muscles on the job, while you may not actually need that much but have to eat it anyway.
> I make a smoothie for my family most days out of the week.
it's okay. it's mostly a theoretical argument i had about fruit. it's perfectly okay to sometimes eat a banana and not be in ketosis, because i also agree on your argument that ketosis is not a sustainable lifestyle, more of a superior diet instead.
basically, if you eat sugary fruits (mostly fructose), instead of processed food and refined sugars, then you are perfectly okay.
>Do you or other people think because it’s a plant based food it’s bad for you?
i personally don't think avocado is bad if you eat it moderately. this is true for any vegetable, because if you overdo anything, it's literally bad. tomatos are acidic, pepper causes GERD, mushrooms are heavy on digestion etc.
variance, knowledge of foods and moderation are the key to a healthier lifestyle.
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Anonymous
also, while fruit can be processed by humans, it is also true that modern agriculture changed the fructose/glucose content of certain fruit we like.
berries and other small reddish fruit are the way to go.
Your example is limited in its scope. My arguments are based on a pre society evolutionary period of man. Also not every group of humans lived in proximity to a lake or an ocean. So the salmon and fish argument goes out the window for a percentage of humans who survived somehow. that being said I think a plant and fish based diet with fruits veggies and meat all in loose balance is probably best.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
almost like you cant talk about humanity as a monolitic group with the same exsp weird huh
2 weeks ago
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every group of humans evolved with different diets yes. The important point is that they survived though. so there is something to learn from each culture or group that survived on different things. if a diet that deviated from all meat or all fish was that bad for you none of those people would have survived.
Ketolards don't exercise, there's no reason for the diet to be posted on here. The whole concept behind it is to sit around doing nothing and go from 400 pounds to 250 so you can delay your death by a decade or 2. It has nothing to do with fitness.
Not for people with neurological disorders or diabetes. But keto, low carb, and just avoiding processed food and grains are all very similar for healthy (or just overweight) people.
because one is inflammatory industrial waste and the other is a piece of fruit, but just because one is an oil its allowed on the diet and therefore seen as healthier than the banana which its clearly not
would anybody really say some mango is worse than canola oil? i dont believe it. maybe if youre severely diabetic and really need to minimize sugar but for the most part whole foods are always better
Depends on your goals. For rapid weight loss, KETO+CICO will give you the fastest results. For simple maintenance and healthy living, any eating habit that excludes sugar & processed/refined/enriched carb-heavy foods is fine within an acceptable range of caloric intake.
I would personally not recommend KETO long-term unless you have a good education in the field of nutrition and can expectedly manage your vitamins, macros, and calories to reflect what your body needs for your level of physical activity.
>capitalizing keto as if it's an acronym
Am I supposed to believe in your extreme opinions on dieting if you don't even know the word ketogenic? CICO is not a diet, btw, it's just an observation. All tools of calorie counting are abysmally incomplete and caloric intake in an open system is incalculable. Keep eating a small portion of McDonald's to stay healthy, thoughever, I'm sure your liver will last through the sneed oil, phytotoxins, and fructose sludge you regularly consume to "balance out" all of the good food(meat) you may incidentally consume.
>bald from shitty diet
I hate this meme. Absolute disinformation. Baldness is associated with rapid weight loss and the vitamin deficiencies that are bound to go along with it. It's not from keto, it's from dropping 100 pounds in 6 months. You can eat 500 calories worth of captain crunch every day (and nothing else) and your hair will thin out for the same reason.
>Baldness is associated with rapid weight loss and the vitamin deficiencies that are bound to go along with it. It's not from keto, it's from dropping 100 pounds in 6 months.
It's also not permanent, the hair comes back when your body adjusts.
It's a great diet but I'd only recommend it to someone in need of drastic weight loss.
I did keto for 1/3ish of a year and lost 70lbs as a result, and was very easily able to keep that weight off even through the holidays, which was what I ended the diet for.
For someone only needing to lose 20lbs or so, I'd definitely advise they go with something different.
Any elimination diet is a meme diet unless you're solely eliminating processed garbage.
No ifs ands or buts about it. Carnivore, is a meme for dipshits who don't know how to track intake. Vegan is a meme for dipshits who think only eating plants is automatically healthy. Keto is a meme for dipshits who can't track intake.
Just eat whole foods in balance/moderation. This is has been the actual answer since the dawn of man and people still fuck it up because they suck YouTuber cock.
I'm not taking advice from someone like you. If your arguments lack any foundation beyond straw-manning your adversaries, you're just in the argument to hear yourself bitch.
Carnivore provides complete nutrition and eliminates phytotoxin. Veganism is founded on religious morals. Ketogenic diets provide glycemic control and require a great deal of measuring intake to keep in balance unless you're not eating carbohydrates at all (or very little).
Everything you said was wrong.
Basing your shit non-diet gluttony challenge of moderately consuming junkfoods to fuel your body or whatever the fuck you think "whole foods" are doesn't indicate a functional diet beyond smugness and your inability to discredit even veganism properly shows your lack of awareness on the topic.
Biochemistry is more important than thermodynamics when it comes to nutrition. Always has been. When you eat right, you won't have to feel hungry.
Calorie-balance hypothesis scientists inadvertently disproved themselves by discovering leptin. Stop leptin from being interrupted and hunger signal works again. You won't need to autistically track your diet if your body functions properly. This is how our ancestors ate. If it gets interrupted, you will overeat and gain fat. Incidentally, the foods that block leptin signaling also contribute to hyperinsulinemia and stimulate fat storage. This might mean these foods were okay for the small windows of time they were available seasonally, but not intended to be readily available and consumed year-round. Like a bear eating before hibernation, it can only bulk enough prior to winter.
things I noticed from 7 weeks of it when i tried it:
more even energy through the day, no energy crash during the afternoon, spike at evening
better skin
better hair
better sleep/started having/remembering dreams (never do on normal diet)
lifting was ok on it
what sucked:
the food
cardio (I bike a shit load)- when eating normal riding high tempo 40 miles with 4k climbing was easily doable without eating during ride
on keto I felt like I was going to die after 12 miles
Any "diet" that tells you to eat vegetables is a meme
All meat diets are the biggest meme there is
Meat is natural human food. You are a slave and will die young
Who are bigger gays, vegans or Sv3rige viewers?
Vegans, but its close
t. Sv3rige cult follower
Humans are natural omnivores dumbdumb
Not a real thing
Source: my ass
Almost all modern high carb foods are far from what archaic humans couod eat.
Cancer is natural too, you are cancermaxxing right because natural means is le good
Animals in the wild almost never get cancer
Yea because they get fucking killed by something before that
Animals in the zoo live very long and don't get cancer either. Or its extremely rare
The 50% lifetime cancer risk seen in humans is not natural. Cancer in wild animals living naturally not exposed to toxic chemicals is very rare
>Cancer in wild animals living naturally not exposed to toxic chemicals is very rare
What's the evidence that cancer is "very rare" in wild nature animals?
>The 50% lifetime cancer risk seen in humans is not natural.
Is natural to a large extent because humans live longer than ever so cancer is more common due to statistics favoring cancer to show up, the odds favour cancer
Go to your local zoo and ask how many animals get cancer. They are living almost twice as long as in the wild. By your logic they should all have cancer
>Go to your local zoo and ask how many animals get cancer.
Those are not wild animals, those are captive animals
>By your logic they should all have cancer
You made claims about wild animals why are you changing the goalpost
It was an analogy for humans because we are living longer now which you admit. Way to dodge the inconvenient holes in your shitty argument
>It was an analogy
Ok so you have no evidence for your claims, I accept your consession.
No animal gets 50% cancer rate wild, zoo, or otherwise. You have no evidence to the contrary. Go back to whatever hole you came from cretin
>You have no evidence to the contrary.
I don't need to prove a negative, you made the claim not me
I can't prove wild animals don't have cancer at high rates because they dont. You can try to disprove it. You won't because I'm right
Wild mammal animals have the highest cancer rates across the animal kindgom, anyway it wouldn't matter because cancer is natural either way
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The whole “it’s all natural is it’s good” is the biggest larp ever. I get wanting to move away from processed garbage like McDonalds but there’s a lot of “natural” shit out there that will kill you
Like yea bro I only drink milk directly from the cows udders bro
Pasteurized dairy is goyslop raw dairy won't kill you. Stupid slave
>raw dairy
Oh yea “raw” cheese straight from the cow bro of course. I’ve been doing it wrong my whole life
Yeah until you end up being the only confirmed case of bovine TB in your country. Have a family member like that. Keep drinking that raw milk. lol
More people die from pasteurized dairy, hot dogs, or lettuce. Nothing is risk free. Raw dairy is not high risk. Even the USDA says so
I doubt humans when they were evolving were lucky enough to have meat every day. Eating meat means catching an animal in the event you even find it. Makes no sense from a practical evolutionary perspective that we were only intended to eat something that difficult to obtain. The only way that would work is if you ate like once a week and ate the entire animal within a few hours. that’s also ignoring the idea of parasites and illnesses from the meat itself because it wasn’t cooked. A certain percentage of animals are carrying something bad for you. If you only eat meat once or twice a month (as a caveman) and didn’t cook it, you might be fine and the chances would be lower to get sick. Keep in mind when humans were evolving they may have been in areas without a lot of animals and would need to be versatile and flexible to adapt to what the environment provided.
there were bugs, bruh
Okay that’s a useful thought but it doesn’t account for every scenario. Even if people are both animal meat and bugs surely humans found themselves in environments where if only for a week or two it was hard to get enough of bugs or meat. So what do they do in that situation just starve and live off their fat (which they probably don’t have a lot of) while they migrate in hopes of finding food? makes no sense they wouldn’t eat fruit or vegetables.
modern 2000 kcal daily intake need is not applicable to cavemen.
they sometimes ate thousands if they had access to meat, honey etc. and oftentimes ate nothing or had only a few calories from berries and whatnot. they were usually fasting and died by 40 because of the lack of nutrients and/or hazards, infections
I’m a wildland firefighter and we eat like 3000 calories a day and many of us still lose weight from our job with the food they feed us. I can’t tel if you’re agreeing with me or not or where you’re going with what you said. I just don’t see any scenario where people walking all day or exploring would be able to survive not eating fruits and vegetables. maybe you’re agreeing with me but I don’t think everyone else understands from a matter of practicality humans would need to eat everything they had access to.
Are you trying to say that modern fruit isn’t as healthy as past fruit? That may or may not be true I’m open to the idea of it. However I eat fruit and vegetables to try and get micronutrients and vitamins and as an insurance I’m case I’m missing it from meat and fish. I have more confidence in that than a multivitamin.
Sorry typing on my phone.
>3000 cals
keto is based on the fact that burning fat (ketosis) instead of carbs (glycolysis) produces way more atp to go around, thus, one would have more energy from "less food". you are probably not eating as a caveman would, so you're not in ketosis, but i can't know that obviously, im just guessing.
i'm trying to say, that while you're right, that we are built to also be able to process fruit, not EVERY fruit is good for us. most of what we know could not have been found in the wild, or at least, not in the form we know today.
obviously, certain climates/biomes help promote a ketogenic lifestyle, while others don't. ketosis is not the destination of a healthy life, but it helps tremendously with losing all the excess fat we have due to the carb-focused lifestyles we were taught to follow.
all in all, one should keep carbs low, around 50-100 grams daily, so it wont turn into excess fat and cause diabetes for example.
We absolutely do not eat a Keto diet we eat MREs half the time and often they put candy and weird shit into our lunches to pad our calories out. I only mentioned it because our job involves climbing and hiking in the mountains in the wilderness so the 3000 calories not being enough for some of us seemed really relevant to the conversation.
I don’t know much about Keto, but intuitively I feel like if you can have more energy with less food like you said, on a very restricted diet, it’s more of a backup system than something the body should always be in. But I have no real idea. I only commented on the thread because it’s absurd to me people think cavemen didn’t eat fruit or vegetables out of necessity.
Your point about modern vegetables or fruit being altered is worth considering and I have no idea how much weight that has. I make a smoothie for my family most days out of the week. My gut feeling is that even if they are all altered forms of fruit and vegetables found in nature, the pros of eating them outweigh any abstract cons or negatives of eating them. i don’t eat carrots or spinach or lemons or berries or whatever to gain weight I just believe there are things contained in those foods that help the body run optimally that you probably don’t get from fish or meat.
On the subject of Keto, I eat avacado once or twice a week for healthy fat. Avacado is something only found in a certain region and it isn’t meat. Do you or other people think because it’s a plant based food it’s bad for you? I treat it the same way I treat Tuna fish. I eat it two or so times a week as a healthy fat with vitamin d for absorbtion.
>I only mentioned it because our job involves climbing and hiking in the mountains in the wilderness so the 3000 calories not being enough for some of us seemed really relevant to the conversation.
muscle burns through all the carbs/sugar you take in. the rest goes into the fat reserves. if you would take less carbs than needed, you would catabolise your muscles. your diet is "needed" because some people actually do need that much carbs to not lose their muscles on the job, while you may not actually need that much but have to eat it anyway.
> I make a smoothie for my family most days out of the week.
it's okay. it's mostly a theoretical argument i had about fruit. it's perfectly okay to sometimes eat a banana and not be in ketosis, because i also agree on your argument that ketosis is not a sustainable lifestyle, more of a superior diet instead.
basically, if you eat sugary fruits (mostly fructose), instead of processed food and refined sugars, then you are perfectly okay.
>Do you or other people think because it’s a plant based food it’s bad for you?
i personally don't think avocado is bad if you eat it moderately. this is true for any vegetable, because if you overdo anything, it's literally bad. tomatos are acidic, pepper causes GERD, mushrooms are heavy on digestion etc.
variance, knowledge of foods and moderation are the key to a healthier lifestyle.
also, while fruit can be processed by humans, it is also true that modern agriculture changed the fructose/glucose content of certain fruit we like.
berries and other small reddish fruit are the way to go.
wild live whas much more abudent back then lke salmon whas a poor mans meat and they gave kaviar to pigs meat whas an everyday thing
Your example is limited in its scope. My arguments are based on a pre society evolutionary period of man. Also not every group of humans lived in proximity to a lake or an ocean. So the salmon and fish argument goes out the window for a percentage of humans who survived somehow. that being said I think a plant and fish based diet with fruits veggies and meat all in loose balance is probably best.
almost like you cant talk about humanity as a monolitic group with the same exsp weird huh
every group of humans evolved with different diets yes. The important point is that they survived though. so there is something to learn from each culture or group that survived on different things. if a diet that deviated from all meat or all fish was that bad for you none of those people would have survived.
Breathing is a meme too, you gonna stop doing that now?
Breathing is natural
What's your point? Memes are natural
So you don’t eat any vegetables? Even if you ate meat with every meal you don’t eat a single vegetable? Is this bait?
Why no bananas?
Contains sugar, which kicks you out of ketosis unless you workout.
Ketolards don't exercise, there's no reason for the diet to be posted on here. The whole concept behind it is to sit around doing nothing and go from 400 pounds to 250 so you can delay your death by a decade or 2. It has nothing to do with fitness.
>seething sugar addict
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Not for people with neurological disorders or diabetes. But keto, low carb, and just avoiding processed food and grains are all very similar for healthy (or just overweight) people.
keto is retarded because canola oil is allowed but fucking bananas arent
How is that stupid? One is fat the other sugar
because one is inflammatory industrial waste and the other is a piece of fruit, but just because one is an oil its allowed on the diet and therefore seen as healthier than the banana which its clearly not
would anybody really say some mango is worse than canola oil? i dont believe it. maybe if youre severely diabetic and really need to minimize sugar but for the most part whole foods are always better
I get your point, but epileptics on keto will get a seizure by eating bananas, but they won't if they eat sneed oils.
Depends on your goals. For rapid weight loss, KETO+CICO will give you the fastest results. For simple maintenance and healthy living, any eating habit that excludes sugar & processed/refined/enriched carb-heavy foods is fine within an acceptable range of caloric intake.
I would personally not recommend KETO long-term unless you have a good education in the field of nutrition and can expectedly manage your vitamins, macros, and calories to reflect what your body needs for your level of physical activity.
>capitalizing keto as if it's an acronym
Am I supposed to believe in your extreme opinions on dieting if you don't even know the word ketogenic? CICO is not a diet, btw, it's just an observation. All tools of calorie counting are abysmally incomplete and caloric intake in an open system is incalculable. Keep eating a small portion of McDonald's to stay healthy, thoughever, I'm sure your liver will last through the sneed oil, phytotoxins, and fructose sludge you regularly consume to "balance out" all of the good food(meat) you may incidentally consume.
>bald from shitty diet
I hate this meme. Absolute disinformation. Baldness is associated with rapid weight loss and the vitamin deficiencies that are bound to go along with it. It's not from keto, it's from dropping 100 pounds in 6 months. You can eat 500 calories worth of captain crunch every day (and nothing else) and your hair will thin out for the same reason.
Post hairline
>Baldness is associated with rapid weight loss and the vitamin deficiencies that are bound to go along with it. It's not from keto, it's from dropping 100 pounds in 6 months.
It's also not permanent, the hair comes back when your body adjusts.
It's a great diet but I'd only recommend it to someone in need of drastic weight loss.
I did keto for 1/3ish of a year and lost 70lbs as a result, and was very easily able to keep that weight off even through the holidays, which was what I ended the diet for.
For someone only needing to lose 20lbs or so, I'd definitely advise they go with something different.
I agree with this. Only really for fat retards needing to lose 50+ lbs.
Idk, I’m a vegan plus eat/drink no added sugar and no alcohol.
>Dr. Berg
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS AVOID GOYSLOP
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
What are the good oils? is Chili Oil one of them?
It's more that oils high in omega 6 are bad.
Sort of, unless you are a fatass and wants to lose weight
Otherwise it's just better to do paleo/low carb
Yeah green vegetables have too much sulforaphane
>49
That's grim
CICO keto OMAD is GOAT for cutting since you don't get hungry.
Keto is a cutting/weight loss diet, it's not meant for maintenance.
fad diets are no different from religion. It's just people seeking for easy solutions to all of their problems.
Keto is great for losing weight BUT bad for testosterone (high carb boosts T), so should only be done for periods of cutting
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Any elimination diet is a meme diet unless you're solely eliminating processed garbage.
No ifs ands or buts about it. Carnivore, is a meme for dipshits who don't know how to track intake. Vegan is a meme for dipshits who think only eating plants is automatically healthy. Keto is a meme for dipshits who can't track intake.
Just eat whole foods in balance/moderation. This is has been the actual answer since the dawn of man and people still fuck it up because they suck YouTuber cock.
I'm not taking advice from someone like you. If your arguments lack any foundation beyond straw-manning your adversaries, you're just in the argument to hear yourself bitch.
Carnivore provides complete nutrition and eliminates phytotoxin. Veganism is founded on religious morals. Ketogenic diets provide glycemic control and require a great deal of measuring intake to keep in balance unless you're not eating carbohydrates at all (or very little).
Everything you said was wrong.
Basing your shit non-diet gluttony challenge of moderately consuming junkfoods to fuel your body or whatever the fuck you think "whole foods" are doesn't indicate a functional diet beyond smugness and your inability to discredit even veganism properly shows your lack of awareness on the topic.
what are you doing? how did you manage to defend every diet, except eating in moderation?
Biochemistry is more important than thermodynamics when it comes to nutrition. Always has been. When you eat right, you won't have to feel hungry.
Calorie-balance hypothesis scientists inadvertently disproved themselves by discovering leptin. Stop leptin from being interrupted and hunger signal works again. You won't need to autistically track your diet if your body functions properly. This is how our ancestors ate. If it gets interrupted, you will overeat and gain fat. Incidentally, the foods that block leptin signaling also contribute to hyperinsulinemia and stimulate fat storage. This might mean these foods were okay for the small windows of time they were available seasonally, but not intended to be readily available and consumed year-round. Like a bear eating before hibernation, it can only bulk enough prior to winter.
Yes
things I noticed from 7 weeks of it when i tried it:
more even energy through the day, no energy crash during the afternoon, spike at evening
better skin
better hair
better sleep/started having/remembering dreams (never do on normal diet)
lifting was ok on it
what sucked:
the food
cardio (I bike a shit load)- when eating normal riding high tempo 40 miles with 4k climbing was easily doable without eating during ride
on keto I felt like I was going to die after 12 miles