Is Keto a meme diet?

Is Keto a meme diet?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any "diet" that tells you to eat vegetables is a meme

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      All meat diets are the biggest meme there is

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Meat is natural human food. You are a slave and will die young

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who are bigger homosexuals, vegans or Sv3rige viewers?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Vegans, but its close
            t. Sv3rige cult follower

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Humans are natural omnivores dumbdumb

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not a real thing

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Source: my ass

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Almost all modern high carb foods are far from what archaic humans couod eat.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cancer is natural too, you are cancermaxxing right because natural means is le good

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Animals in the wild almost never get cancer

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yea because they get fricking killed by something before that

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Animals in the zoo live very long and don't get cancer either. Or its extremely rare

                Wild mammal animals have the highest cancer rates across the animal kindgom, anyway it wouldn't matter because cancer is natural either way

                The 50% lifetime cancer risk seen in humans is not natural. Cancer in wild animals living naturally not exposed to toxic chemicals is very rare

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Cancer in wild animals living naturally not exposed to toxic chemicals is very rare
                What's the evidence that cancer is "very rare" in wild nature animals?
                >The 50% lifetime cancer risk seen in humans is not natural.
                Is natural to a large extent because humans live longer than ever so cancer is more common due to statistics favoring cancer to show up, the odds favour cancer

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Go to your local zoo and ask how many animals get cancer. They are living almost twice as long as in the wild. By your logic they should all have cancer

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Go to your local zoo and ask how many animals get cancer.
                Those are not wild animals, those are captive animals
                >By your logic they should all have cancer
                You made claims about wild animals why are you changing the goalpost

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It was an analogy for humans because we are living longer now which you admit. Way to dodge the inconvenient holes in your shitty argument

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It was an analogy
                Ok so you have no evidence for your claims, I accept your consession.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No animal gets 50% cancer rate wild, zoo, or otherwise. You have no evidence to the contrary. Go back to whatever hole you came from cretin

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You have no evidence to the contrary.
                I don't need to prove a negative, you made the claim not me

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can't prove wild animals don't have cancer at high rates because they dont. You can try to disprove it. You won't because I'm right

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wild mammal animals have the highest cancer rates across the animal kindgom, anyway it wouldn't matter because cancer is natural either way

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This
            The whole “it’s all natural is it’s good” is the biggest larp ever. I get wanting to move away from processed garbage like McDonalds but there’s a lot of “natural” shit out there that will kill you
            Like yea bro I only drink milk directly from the cows udders bro

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Pasteurized dairy is goyslop raw dairy won't kill you. Stupid slave

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >raw dairy
                Oh yea “raw” cheese straight from the cow bro of course. I’ve been doing it wrong my whole life

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah until you end up being the only confirmed case of bovine TB in your country. Have a family member like that. Keep drinking that raw milk. lol

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                More people die from pasteurized dairy, hot dogs, or lettuce. Nothing is risk free. Raw dairy is not high risk. Even the USDA says so

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I doubt humans when they were evolving were lucky enough to have meat every day. Eating meat means catching an animal in the event you even find it. Makes no sense from a practical evolutionary perspective that we were only intended to eat something that difficult to obtain. The only way that would work is if you ate like once a week and ate the entire animal within a few hours. that’s also ignoring the idea of parasites and illnesses from the meat itself because it wasn’t cooked. A certain percentage of animals are carrying something bad for you. If you only eat meat once or twice a month (as a caveman) and didn’t cook it, you might be fine and the chances would be lower to get sick. Keep in mind when humans were evolving they may have been in areas without a lot of animals and would need to be versatile and flexible to adapt to what the environment provided.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            there were bugs, bruh

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Okay that’s a useful thought but it doesn’t account for every scenario. Even if people are both animal meat and bugs surely humans found themselves in environments where if only for a week or two it was hard to get enough of bugs or meat. So what do they do in that situation just starve and live off their fat (which they probably don’t have a lot of) while they migrate in hopes of finding food? makes no sense they wouldn’t eat fruit or vegetables.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                modern 2000 kcal daily intake need is not applicable to cavemen.
                they sometimes ate thousands if they had access to meat, honey etc. and oftentimes ate nothing or had only a few calories from berries and whatnot. they were usually fasting and died by 40 because of the lack of nutrients and/or hazards, infections

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’m a wildland firefighter and we eat like 3000 calories a day and many of us still lose weight from our job with the food they feed us. I can’t tel if you’re agreeing with me or not or where you’re going with what you said. I just don’t see any scenario where people walking all day or exploring would be able to survive not eating fruits and vegetables. maybe you’re agreeing with me but I don’t think everyone else understands from a matter of practicality humans would need to eat everything they had access to.

                also, while fruit can be processed by humans, it is also true that modern agriculture changed the fructose/glucose content of certain fruit we like.
                berries and other small reddish fruit are the way to go.

                Are you trying to say that modern fruit isn’t as healthy as past fruit? That may or may not be true I’m open to the idea of it. However I eat fruit and vegetables to try and get micronutrients and vitamins and as an insurance I’m case I’m missing it from meat and fish. I have more confidence in that than a multivitamin.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry typing on my phone.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >3000 cals
                keto is based on the fact that burning fat (ketosis) instead of carbs (glycolysis) produces way more atp to go around, thus, one would have more energy from "less food". you are probably not eating as a caveman would, so you're not in ketosis, but i can't know that obviously, im just guessing.

                i'm trying to say, that while you're right, that we are built to also be able to process fruit, not EVERY fruit is good for us. most of what we know could not have been found in the wild, or at least, not in the form we know today.

                obviously, certain climates/biomes help promote a ketogenic lifestyle, while others don't. ketosis is not the destination of a healthy life, but it helps tremendously with losing all the excess fat we have due to the carb-focused lifestyles we were taught to follow.
                all in all, one should keep carbs low, around 50-100 grams daily, so it wont turn into excess fat and cause diabetes for example.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                We absolutely do not eat a Keto diet we eat MREs half the time and often they put candy and weird shit into our lunches to pad our calories out. I only mentioned it because our job involves climbing and hiking in the mountains in the wilderness so the 3000 calories not being enough for some of us seemed really relevant to the conversation.

                I don’t know much about Keto, but intuitively I feel like if you can have more energy with less food like you said, on a very restricted diet, it’s more of a backup system than something the body should always be in. But I have no real idea. I only commented on the thread because it’s absurd to me people think cavemen didn’t eat fruit or vegetables out of necessity.

                Your point about modern vegetables or fruit being altered is worth considering and I have no idea how much weight that has. I make a smoothie for my family most days out of the week. My gut feeling is that even if they are all altered forms of fruit and vegetables found in nature, the pros of eating them outweigh any abstract cons or negatives of eating them. i don’t eat carrots or spinach or lemons or berries or whatever to gain weight I just believe there are things contained in those foods that help the body run optimally that you probably don’t get from fish or meat.

                On the subject of Keto, I eat avacado once or twice a week for healthy fat. Avacado is something only found in a certain region and it isn’t meat. Do you or other people think because it’s a plant based food it’s bad for you? I treat it the same way I treat Tuna fish. I eat it two or so times a week as a healthy fat with vitamin d for absorbtion.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I only mentioned it because our job involves climbing and hiking in the mountains in the wilderness so the 3000 calories not being enough for some of us seemed really relevant to the conversation.
                muscle burns through all the carbs/sugar you take in. the rest goes into the fat reserves. if you would take less carbs than needed, you would catabolise your muscles. your diet is "needed" because some people actually do need that much carbs to not lose their muscles on the job, while you may not actually need that much but have to eat it anyway.

                > I make a smoothie for my family most days out of the week.
                it's okay. it's mostly a theoretical argument i had about fruit. it's perfectly okay to sometimes eat a banana and not be in ketosis, because i also agree on your argument that ketosis is not a sustainable lifestyle, more of a superior diet instead.
                basically, if you eat sugary fruits (mostly fructose), instead of processed food and refined sugars, then you are perfectly okay.

                >Do you or other people think because it’s a plant based food it’s bad for you?
                i personally don't think avocado is bad if you eat it moderately. this is true for any vegetable, because if you overdo anything, it's literally bad. tomatos are acidic, pepper causes GERD, mushrooms are heavy on digestion etc.
                variance, knowledge of foods and moderation are the key to a healthier lifestyle.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                also, while fruit can be processed by humans, it is also true that modern agriculture changed the fructose/glucose content of certain fruit we like.
                berries and other small reddish fruit are the way to go.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            wild live whas much more abudent back then lke salmon whas a poor mans meat and they gave kaviar to pigs meat whas an everyday thing

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Your example is limited in its scope. My arguments are based on a pre society evolutionary period of man. Also not every group of humans lived in proximity to a lake or an ocean. So the salmon and fish argument goes out the window for a percentage of humans who survived somehow. that being said I think a plant and fish based diet with fruits veggies and meat all in loose balance is probably best.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                almost like you cant talk about humanity as a monolitic group with the same exsp weird huh

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                every group of humans evolved with different diets yes. The important point is that they survived though. so there is something to learn from each culture or group that survived on different things. if a diet that deviated from all meat or all fish was that bad for you none of those people would have survived.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      All meat diets are the biggest meme there is

      Breathing is a meme too, you gonna stop doing that now?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Breathing is natural

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          What's your point? Memes are natural

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you don’t eat any vegetables? Even if you ate meat with every meal you don’t eat a single vegetable? Is this bait?

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why no bananas?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Contains sugar, which kicks you out of ketosis unless you workout.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why no bananas?

        Ketolards don't exercise, there's no reason for the diet to be posted on here. The whole concept behind it is to sit around doing nothing and go from 400 pounds to 250 so you can delay your death by a decade or 2. It has nothing to do with fitness.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >seething sugar addict
          Jej

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dieting is absolutely allowed to be discussed here

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

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    Ignore Moxyte Posts
    Do Not Reply To Moxyte Posters

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not for people with neurological disorders or diabetes. But keto, low carb, and just avoiding processed food and grains are all very similar for healthy (or just overweight) people.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    keto is moronic because canola oil is allowed but fricking bananas arent

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      How is that stupid? One is fat the other sugar

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        because one is inflammatory industrial waste and the other is a piece of fruit, but just because one is an oil its allowed on the diet and therefore seen as healthier than the banana which its clearly not

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          would anybody really say some mango is worse than canola oil? i dont believe it. maybe if youre severely diabetic and really need to minimize sugar but for the most part whole foods are always better

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I get your point, but epileptics on keto will get a seizure by eating bananas, but they won't if they eat sneed oils.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your goals. For rapid weight loss, KETO+CICO will give you the fastest results. For simple maintenance and healthy living, any eating habit that excludes sugar & processed/refined/enriched carb-heavy foods is fine within an acceptable range of caloric intake.

    I would personally not recommend KETO long-term unless you have a good education in the field of nutrition and can expectedly manage your vitamins, macros, and calories to reflect what your body needs for your level of physical activity.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >capitalizing keto as if it's an acronym
      Am I supposed to believe in your extreme opinions on dieting if you don't even know the word ketogenic? CICO is not a diet, btw, it's just an observation. All tools of calorie counting are abysmally incomplete and caloric intake in an open system is incalculable. Keep eating a small portion of McDonald's to stay healthy, thoughever, I'm sure your liver will last through the sneed oil, phytotoxins, and fructose sludge you regularly consume to "balance out" all of the good food(meat) you may incidentally consume.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bald from shitty diet
      I hate this meme. Absolute disinformation. Baldness is associated with rapid weight loss and the vitamin deficiencies that are bound to go along with it. It's not from keto, it's from dropping 100 pounds in 6 months. You can eat 500 calories worth of captain crunch every day (and nothing else) and your hair will thin out for the same reason.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Post hairline

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Baldness is associated with rapid weight loss and the vitamin deficiencies that are bound to go along with it. It's not from keto, it's from dropping 100 pounds in 6 months.
        It's also not permanent, the hair comes back when your body adjusts.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a great diet but I'd only recommend it to someone in need of drastic weight loss.

    I did keto for 1/3ish of a year and lost 70lbs as a result, and was very easily able to keep that weight off even through the holidays, which was what I ended the diet for.

    For someone only needing to lose 20lbs or so, I'd definitely advise they go with something different.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with this. Only really for fat morons needing to lose 50+ lbs.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk, I’m a vegan plus eat/drink no added sugar and no alcohol.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Dr. Berg

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS AVOID GOYSLOP
    WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are the good oils? is Chili Oil one of them?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's more that oils high in omega 6 are bad.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sort of, unless you are a fatass and wants to lose weight
    Otherwise it's just better to do paleo/low carb

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah green vegetables have too much sulforaphane

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >49
      That's grim

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    CICO keto OMAD is GOAT for cutting since you don't get hungry.
    Keto is a cutting/weight loss diet, it's not meant for maintenance.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    fad diets are no different from religion. It's just people seeking for easy solutions to all of their problems.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Keto is great for losing weight BUT bad for testosterone (high carb boosts T), so should only be done for periods of cutting
    /thread

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any elimination diet is a meme diet unless you're solely eliminating processed garbage.

    No ifs ands or buts about it. Carnivore, is a meme for dipshits who don't know how to track intake. Vegan is a meme for dipshits who think only eating plants is automatically healthy. Keto is a meme for dipshits who can't track intake.

    Just eat whole foods in balance/moderation. This is has been the actual answer since the dawn of man and people still frick it up because they suck YouTuber wiener.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not taking advice from someone like you. If your arguments lack any foundation beyond straw-manning your adversaries, you're just in the argument to hear yourself b***h.
      Carnivore provides complete nutrition and eliminates phytotoxin. Veganism is founded on religious morals. Ketogenic diets provide glycemic control and require a great deal of measuring intake to keep in balance unless you're not eating carbohydrates at all (or very little).
      Everything you said was wrong.
      Basing your shit non-diet gluttony challenge of moderately consuming junkfoods to fuel your body or whatever the frick you think "whole foods" are doesn't indicate a functional diet beyond smugness and your inability to discredit even veganism properly shows your lack of awareness on the topic.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        what are you doing? how did you manage to defend every diet, except eating in moderation?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Biochemistry is more important than thermodynamics when it comes to nutrition. Always has been. When you eat right, you won't have to feel hungry.
          Calorie-balance hypothesis scientists inadvertently disproved themselves by discovering leptin. Stop leptin from being interrupted and hunger signal works again. You won't need to autistically track your diet if your body functions properly. This is how our ancestors ate. If it gets interrupted, you will overeat and gain fat. Incidentally, the foods that block leptin signaling also contribute to hyperinsulinemia and stimulate fat storage. This might mean these foods were okay for the small windows of time they were available seasonally, but not intended to be readily available and consumed year-round. Like a bear eating before hibernation, it can only bulk enough prior to winter.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    things I noticed from 7 weeks of it when i tried it:

    more even energy through the day, no energy crash during the afternoon, spike at evening
    better skin
    better hair
    better sleep/started having/remembering dreams (never do on normal diet)
    lifting was ok on it

    what sucked:
    the food
    cardio (I bike a shit load)- when eating normal riding high tempo 40 miles with 4k climbing was easily doable without eating during ride
    on keto I felt like I was going to die after 12 miles

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