Is keto diet worth for weight loss

Can you maintain daily calorie intake with only meat and vegetables?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You could, but why the fuck would you want to? Keto is an absolutely miserable diet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Does the calories from burning fat give you the same feeling/effect as the calories from burning carbs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure what "feelings/effects" you're talking about? I don't actively feel the calories burning off throughout the day on a regular cutting diet. The overall effect of losing weight is going to be the same so long as you are in a deficit, keto is not magic.

        I have to assume you're asking how each approach (regular deficit vs keto deficit) affects your energy and mood while losing the weight, and that's a personal calculation that only you can answer by trying it yourself.
        Does adherence to a keto deficit make you feel substantially fuller than your choice of balanced deficit? Depends on your body. Is that worth the hassle of turning down every meal that you encounter with carbs in it? Depends on your schedule and living circumstances. Does it work within your budget and time considerations? Do you really enjoy certain carbs that would cause you to have a worse mood if you had to give them up, or do you not really care for them?

        The best diet is the one that you can personally stick to. If you try it and like it, then go for it. Personally I would hate to do it and I think that most people align with me. My overweight aunt is doing keto now and she's fine with it, but her vice has always been snacking on salami and cheese, so it's not hard for her.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not really keto resets a lot of your hormone production levels and other things like that.think of it like how fasting buffs your immune system by destroying it. You are basically resetting your metabolism and wiping a lit of chemical production settings clean. Keto shouldn't be used as a diet to live by, just a tool to being your levels back up periodically.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you need carbs to load your glycogen stores

        there's this neat little trick called glycolysis that will double your athletic performance but ketofags don't want you to know about it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Carb loading makes no difference for performance and your glycogen stores don't change if you eat a low carb diet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Carb loading makes no difference for performance
            Spoken like someone who neither exercises nor leaves his basement lair.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            but that's wrong. Glycogen supercompensation is proven to occur but you need eat approximately 10-12g/kg bw of carbs for ~3 days prior to the activity you need the glycogen for. Glycogen depletion does infact occur with a low carbohydrate diet. Not sure why you're saying otherwise.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How is it miserable? You still can eat the best food (meat)

      Does the calories from burning fat give you the same feeling/effect as the calories from burning carbs

      You burn both fat and carbs daily already. Ketosis might change how your muscles behave a bit though, since you have no glucose for them and will have to use fat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        restricting entire swathes of foods is miserable, I like meat and I like carbs too, in fact we have a wonderful invention which combines the two

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >restricting entire swathes of foods is miserable
          Only if you're a "foodie" who cares about eating a whole lot

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >oh you have a problem with never eating a burrito or french fry again? You must be one of them "Foodies"
            Nah, but hey if if works for you then go for it. The best diet is the one you can stick to, just keep the ketocult shit away.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Fuck me that looks good. Gonna make some high quality burgers next week.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >talks about carbs being good
              >posts literal fast food as an example
              burgers baka

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't say that was a prime example of health food, I said giving it up forever would be miserable and doesn't make me a foodie. Besides, the macros on the Chickfila grilled chicken sandwich are not bad at all.

                If you don't like it, go drink your butter coffe.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Keto is only good for the first month if you're a morbidly obsese lardass. It eventually catches up to you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Keto is cool and IF is even cooler. Once you get them down it’s line 150%+ to daily focus and consistency. Big dopaminergic bobs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I could never keep to keto, but IF was pretty cool in my opinion. It's a lot harder to overeat if you set an arbitrary time-frame.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I dunno dude, been practicing IF for a few years because I like how it fits my schedule but I can easily consume thousands of calories above my limit (no soda, no snacks) with homemade meals. I have a big apetite. Simple as.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ketofag here. You actually can't eat as much meat as you think, and when you do eat meat it needs to be fatty. Too much protein will also kick you out of ketosis, or at least keep ketone production low. You'll just use protein as energy. This is why the typical "1g of protein per lb of bodyweight" idea is retarded, because most of that protein is converted to glucose and used for energy. People really overestimate how much protein you need to build muscle. Hence why there was that one poster who got fit just by rock climbing and eating a ketogenic diet. Protein should only be 20% of your daily calories. Also, vegetables are totally pointless, I haven't eaten a single vegetable on keto.

      there's really nothing wrong with it. The only thing I miss is fresh fruit and milk, but I can make do without it. I eat a shit ton of bacon, eggs, and dark chocolate and I'm very happy

      Does the calories from burning fat give you the same feeling/effect as the calories from burning carbs

      At the end of the day, losing fat comes to calorie expenditure. However it does take more calories to digest fattier foods versus carby foods like rice, however minimal this effect is. The main benefit about the ketogenic diet is it controls hunger very well, whereas simply lowering your calories on a normal diet leaves you starving all the time

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        future triple bypass fag more like

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >fat causes heart attacks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gluconeogenesis is demand driven. Eating more protein doesn't kick you got of ketosis. Staying in ketosis is about one thing: Not eating carbs. Period. You can eat nothing but protein for a while and maintain ketosis. You can eat nothing at all, and the fasting will put you into ketosis.

        Fat does a very good job at increasing satiety over time. So does protein. Protein also had a higher thermogenic effect than fat, so your point of digesting fat taking more energy is moot compared to protein.

        All that said, I'd been doing keto for over 3 years, and currently doing carnivore with "high protein keto" macros (5/35/60). No issues in maintaining ketosis. I'm just sick of seeing keto people practically afraid of protein due to a misconception about gluconeogenesis. After you've been keto a while, up the damn protein, or you're going to lose a lot more muscle than you should.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          do you take a piss test frequently? is it dark purple while eating that much protein? I bet it isnt

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because keto, in praxis, is for people with the palates of children who don't work out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But children love to eat candy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do you even have children you moron?
        >muh praxis
        What a fucking idiot you are

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Burgers, cheese, and bacon is a childlike palate - and keto gives such manchildren the moral justification to just eat that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Of course we all know the children's holiday Halloween where children are given eggs meat and fine cheeses.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is pic confirmed?
    That's some psycho shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >some psycho shit.
      Gluten is bad.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You ain't white

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Putin is a ketotard. Go figure.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >russians are doing what they have been doing for centuries
      >call it ''some psycho shit''

      It's strategical destruction of the enemy's reserve resources to get an upper hand in the eventual peace negotiations. There's nothing psycho about this, it makes perfect sense.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >hurr durr hurty civilian to get what I WANT!
        Spoken like a true psychopath.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          first war you've been alive for where white people could lose, huh

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          this has been going on since the ancient world, it's the way of war and provides good reasons to be for and against war.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon and I dont care that they did this- I think the problem is that people reeeed about how Russia was akshually playing 5d chess being super surgical so as to make it easier to control the populace etc. once they gained new territory when the war was over.

            This type of stuff does not comport with all of that shilling. That's all I'm saying.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >This type of stuff does not comport with all of that shilling.
              Yeah it does. It makes sense to sabotage the enemy land and resources lol
              How does it not seem sound

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If pretty much any of the armatard shilling in the last few months had been anything other than pure cope- this would not be necessary. And it is completely inconsistent with the idea that they are trying to preserve good will or infrastructure etc. with the populace in the course of an easy tactical and well executed operation.

        I don't have a dog in the fight and I don't like either side but goddam the armatard shit has been just as bad as the normie hohol shit imho.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Take any news coming out of Ukraine with a grain of salt, but it wouldn't be an entirely strategically bad decision on Russia's part if they did.

      Wheat shortages due to the invasion has already had a huge negative impact on the world. Ensuring it stays that way would continue to pressure other countries to pressure Ukraine to come to the bargaining table.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      gabby first scorched earth?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Scorched earth is a time honoured military tactic both for defense and punishment
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is it? Is destroying eachothers food supply in a war not a relatively normal thing? Is this something that is 'not done' in modern warfare? Like a warcrime or something?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who would have farmed it? The crops from last season are probably still filling up the stock piles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's propaganda anon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Is pic confirmed?
      >That's some psycho shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how is this surprising? your country is sanctioned to fuck, you're at war with them, huge portion of western wheat supply comes from Ukraine, do the math. you might be surprised to find that they are also shooting ukrainians too, all on purpose.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Is pic confirmed?
      No. There's a video of it. Ukrainian throwing shit in a trench next to a grain field, supposedly with Russians in it. Regardless, the fire was started by Ukrainians.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevauch%C3%A9e

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Is keto diet worth for weight loss
    yes
    >Can you maintain daily calorie intake with only meat and vegetables?
    this absolutely contrary to your first question and pretty vague but I'm going to assume you mean "without cereal grains, diary, or nuts" because what is and what isn't a vegetable is some reddit tier argument.
    Yes tubers can easily replace carbs from grains, fat is where it gets a little tricky because your only real sources are animal fats if and with butter being "dairy" . You can always use pre-rendered products like tallow, chicken fat, or lard.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's worth it for mental clarity. I did fasting/keto throughout my masters degree, and have never before achieved such consistently high grades.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >According to [Ukrainian Politician]
    I know it's s not out of the realm of possibility but don't trust anything coming out of the fog of war

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT Russa shills trying to pretend it this is a totally normal and acceptable thing to do in modern times because “le war strategy”
    You retards understand that reducing the overall world food supply is what will justify them making us eat ze bugs right? If there’s not enough food because of gorrilla moron retard shit like this, then meat will become exponentially less available, and the only attainable non-plant protein sources left will be ze bugs. But go ahead, keep being contrarians and defending Russia/pretending the war is a totally normal and acceptable event.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Russa shills
      Die a slow and painful death

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >t. assblasted oblast dweller shilling for a few rubles per day

        "European"

        Correct, European. Did you have a point you were gonna make or…?

        Agriculture, in MY country? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Putin-sama save me.

        Hey could you tell me real quick what percentage of your actual total food supply is grown in your country? And how much of the arable land in your country is owned by individuals versus by Bill Gates and Warren Buffet types not actually growing anything on said arable land but just sitting on it as an investment? I’ll wait.

        Most countries outside europe are more than self-sufficient but sell most of their food via export because they make more money. The same is true of energy

        >t. knows absolutely fuck all about actual modern global food and energy supply chains
        4chan tier retardation will be the downfall of human civilization

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "European"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Agriculture, in MY country? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Putin-sama save me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most countries outside europe are more than self-sufficient but sell most of their food via export because they make more money. The same is true of energy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine wasn't even a country until 1991. It's literally just a hub for Western sex traffickers, hence why all our politicians had such a disproportionate panic to Russia invading it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kiev is way older than Russia though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No doubt about that, true

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People who don't believe the things I do saying what they think will make the people who do believe the things I do listen to them makes my soul cringe. Slippery little worm.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Correct. Most posters who defend Russia simply distrust the media which is fair as they've been more than happy to air Ukrainian war propaganda. But justifying war that way is ludicrous. Ukraine is shale oil rich, runs some Russian pipelines, and is geopolitically advantageous for Russia to exert control over and that justified Putin's calculus to harm massive amounts of civilians and soldiers. To the Kremlin the result is simply picking the lesser of two evils but of course it was picked selfishly.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's easier without the vegetables since your stomach will shrink to a normal size and you won't have digestive issues. But yes it's easy to maintain calories in such a way. The only drawback is it's more expensive, but really food should be a high priority.

    I've been zero carb since 2017 and when I first started I worried about all sorts of stupid thing, like I thought I wouldn't have any energy, or that my muscles will disappear, or I'd starve. All that happened was it became WAY easier to control my weight and maintain muscle mass, and digestive issues disappeared overnight.

    A small caveat is that if you go low carb you should do it in the context of high quality animal foods and NOT with keto bars, keto ice cream and keto junk food generally. "Keto" is a way for grifters to sell you products. There's nothing magical about ketosis, it's just something the body normally goes through in various times of the day. The focus should be on food quality and avoiding modern foods, not on ketosis. If you eat properly, you will naturally fall into large windows of ketosis.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You must not be doing keto right if you think it's expensive. You get to cut back on meat, and eat a bunch of fat which is high calorie. A jar of coconut oil is $10, which will last a long time and provide a shit ton of calories. And when you do eat meat you can buy the cheaper, fattier cuts like pork belly

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        eggs, deenz, and offal are also pretty cheap and very nutritious

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The only drawback is it's more expensive
      Maybe at first, but once your hunger adapts (assuming you have the willpower to obey your hunger signals and over-ride that ingrained 3-meal-a-day habit), you're basically doing OMAD by accident.

      Also, there's tons of cheap of Keto options. Brisket, for example. $1/pound if you catch it on sale.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The best is carnivore
    Olympic weight lifters do it

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >burning ukrainian crops knowing pedo biden is going to send them $10 zillion dollars worth of food anyway

    Russians are so retarded, i really wish these slavs left us out of their war

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wheatfag xisters... I wish Fauci had never invented fire

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >picrel
    >muh warmongering
    This is just an operation to spike wheat prices

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want to know every ketofags weight and lifts as well as see physique posted, they never do this though. It's a diet designed for fat retards and they only talk about it or care until they give up on it and then they forget all about the phase they were going through. I've seen it countless times it's a story as old as time itself.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if that was all fertile carbon trapping pasture land for cattle to graze instead

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're >20% BF, you could literally eat nothing and "maintain daily calorie intake".
    My personal favorite diet is PSMF during the week and eating at maintenance on the weekends. You lose a fuckload of weight quickly (~800 calories on weekdays, ~2000 calories on weekends), maintain muscle, and don't destroy your social life this way because you can go out to eat or to BBQs on the weekend.
    You only really need carbs if you're competing or bulking.
    You only really need fat if your hormones start to crash.
    There are plenty of ways to lose weight (and they're all CICO in the end), but I think this is the autist min-max way.

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